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[–]Anonymish 902ポイント903ポイント  (179子コメント)

This is a difficult choice for you to make, but I think you've made the wrong one. Your policy regarding minors is clearly geared at keeping child porn off the site, and I don't think anyone disagrees with that. However, drawings are not illegal in the United States, and don't pose a problem for you from a legal point of view. Unlike actual child porn, they don't cause any harm to children (or adults). What they do is offer an outlet for those who are attracted to children. No one can help what they're into, be it BSDM or rape roleplay or consensual sex in the missionary position between married adults. The same goes for pedos - they didn't choose it, and shouldn't be demonized for that. It's another matter entirely to sexually abuse children, but if they aren't guilty of that then they have not done anything wrong. Subreddits like /r/pomf give them some kind of sexual pleasure without involving children, which is a positive thing. Without that, frustration builds and eventually might lead to actual child abuse. There are also some people who aren't attracted to real children, but who get off on the innocence and fantasy of lolicon, fantasies that couldn't be emulated in the real world and that they don't want to emulate in the real world, and it's not very nice to deny them this.

I feel like you went with your gut on this one. Instead, think harder about it. It's not harmful to anyone and without it, things might even be worse.

Side note, downvoting /u/spez will hide his comments and suppress discussion on the matter. Don't do it!

[–]TheCodexx 56ポイント57ポイント  (8子コメント)

Your policy regarding minors is clearly geared at keeping child porn off the site, and I don't think anyone disagrees with that.

This, exactly. I have precisely zero objections to the idea of people jerkin' it to CP. What I have an issue with is the rampant exploitation required to produce CP in the first place, and it's usually asked that pedophiles produce more before it's distributed to them to keep a cycle of new images flowing. For that reason, CP is harmful and should be discouraged.

But if Loli is treated the same way, you basically give people who want to jerk to it zero outlet. You make them hunt it down on shady sites. Good work. Assuming the people who like Loli are actually pedophiles (I don't believe all of them are; enough Lolis are ambiguous enough in age that people who like petite girls are interested as well) you're basically forcing them to go somewhere that's shadier than reddit and wants original content. So congrats, the new policy change means a child might be exploited. GG admins. Good to know you care more about PR than protecting anyone.

[–]WhipWing 35ポイント36ポイント  (4子コメント)

(I don't believe all of them are; enough Lolis are ambiguous enough in age that people who like petite girls are interested as well)

So much this, Thank you. Some people just don't understand that even for those of us that enjoy Loli, the "toddlercon" aspect of it that is also injected into that grouping (can't think of a better way to describe) isn't all of our cups of tea.

[–]Syyiailea 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Speaking of, if /r/lolicons was banned, what in the living hell is /r/Todcon still doing up? As a lolicon, I'm pissed that the admins took down /r/lolicons , but if you're going to be idiots, at least be consistent!

[–]WhipWing 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I feel like that is probably because subs like Lolicon, Pomf, Shotacon Etc... were the big name ones. Sure we didn't flaunt our sub all over reddit and we didn't annoy/push ourselves on any other community but we were the largest. I for one didn't even know /r/Todcon was a sub until you just linked it. So they must be pretty low on the radar or I guess I just never attempted to search for it. Either way I'm hoping for an Admin to speak about this topic more sometime soon. Even if they say something stupid again as long as this discussion doesn't die.

[–]tobin1677 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If we assume that this list is accurate I would guess that member count wasn't a limiting factor in their finding of subs, after all some of the smallest ones on this list had as few as 4 members before being banned.

[–]Rils 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup, this exactly.

[–]OfficerTwix -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

If they're really that into loli and CP then looking at loli on reddit is not going to suppress them from touching children. That's like saying there's no rapists because you can easily find porn

[–]tobin1677 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are thinking backwards, consider how many less rapes there are since porn was created compared to prior to that.

[–]uss1701jb 80ポイント81ポイント  (35子コメント)

Side note, downvoting /u/spez[2] Reddit Co-founder, CEO will hide his comments and suppress discussion on the matter. Don't do it!

No, it won't. It will force them to the bottom of the replies to whatever they are replying to, but admins' comments don't get hidden.

[–]gamelizard 18ポイント19ポイント  (17子コメント)

It will force them to the bottom of the replies to whatever they are replying to

that's still problematic. its probably one of the stupidest things i see reddit do. down-vote some one who we need to see the statements of, which pushes them away from visibility, when the reason you are down voting is a around issues of censorship.

[–]MyDogShitsTigers 21ポイント22ポイント  (8子コメント)

It happens literally everywhere on the site. It's a disagree button, despite the rules. Getting upset over it only when it happens to admins is insulting to everyone else who gets downvoted while participating in a discussion.

[–]gamelizard 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

i get upset at it all the time with people who arent the admins. i used to complain all the time, but i stopped when i got tired of it. finally just because something is common practice doesn't stop it from being stupid as hell.

[–]EmeraldKnight92 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

Getting upset over it only when it happens to admins...

I'd like to stop you right there and point out that this sounds like one hell of an assumption. It seems irresponsible to assert that /u/gamelizard only gets upset when it happens to admins without any indication that this is indeed the case.

[–]MyDogShitsTigers 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fair enough.

[–]gamelizard 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

ty for the support, but you seemed to have replied to the wrong comment.

[–]EmeraldKnight92 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't believe so, no. My reply went directly to /u/MyDogShitsTigers.

I assume you may be referring to receiving a notification regarding my comment. If so, you may have gotten it because I mentioned your name. If you have a gold subscription, then this is most certainly the case.

[–]gamelizard 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

oh i see. hu i dont have gold. i once had it last year.

[–]EmeraldKnight92 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Upon digging around for literally about 2 minutes, I found this old announcement which includes information stating that username mentions are no longer a gold-only feature.

So it is, indeed, the case that you received the notification from my mentioning you (:

[–]uss1701jb 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

despite the rules.

Nope, that's just Reddiquette.

https://www.reddit.com/wiki/reddiquette#wiki_in_regard_to_voting

[–]GarrioValere 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

He's at -400 and still at the top of the comment chain.

[–]gamelizard -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

it seems that the admins may have special rules surrounding their comments. ill still complain tho cuz reddit does this to every one, and it still buggs the hell outa me.

[–]GarrioValere 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually it looks like it's that there's a new sorting type, Q&A, where the OP's replies are weighted infinitely higher. It's set as the default here.

So now bullshit and weasel replies can be visible and have significant negative karma.

[–]non_consensual -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

He should be downvoted. He lacks integrity, ethics and seems to not understand the basic concept behind "fair".

It's quite obvious he shouldn't be in charge.

[–]gamelizard -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

that opinion supports my stance. if his statements are truely as you say then they should be seen by every one, don't you think? what exactly the fuck is downvoting gonna do? tell him we don't like him? upvoting disagreeing and informative comments is far superior at that. hiding him? idiotic if you want the community to rally against him.

[–]non_consensual 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

What good will upvoting him do other than give him the false sense that people support him?

[–]gamelizard 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

i dont give a shit about upvoting. only that downvoting reduces visibility, tho the admins look like they have special rules.

[–]non_consensual 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tell them to fix their shitty site then.

This is a coding problem. Not a user problem.

[–]astrofreak92 16ポイント17ポイント  (14子コメント)

They do get hidden on mobile.

[–]DR_McBUTTFUCK 5ポイント6ポイント  (11子コメント)

We should let them know then, so that they can fix that.

[–]mennoniteminuterice 16ポイント17ポイント  (10子コメント)

That's an app thing, not a Reddit thing.

[–]DR_McBUTTFUCK 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Isn't the reddit app run by reddit?

[–]vocaloid_mayu 13ポイント14ポイント  (8子コメント)

alienblue is, none of the Android apps are.

[–]DR_McBUTTFUCK 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

Alright. I didn't know that.

[–]boredasshitrightnow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit is fun for android doesn't hide it but it puts it REALLY far down

[–]SirAuryk 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's still hidden on Alien Blue

[–]AFabledHero -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You aren't really describing anything by saying "on mobile". Be more specific

[–]astrofreak92 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I use Alien Blue, and can't see heavily downvoted comments. The app just doesn't bother loading them.

[–]perthguppy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually, they do, I only found this comment by looking at Spez's profile

[–]anarchism4thewin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It won't even do that, if you've sorted by "q and a" as is the default for this thread.

[–]MrBokbagok 115ポイント116ポイント  (31子コメント)

its not about legality, its about prepping this site for sale.

[–]adinsx-bejoty 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup, can't wait for the HR approved speech explaining why they want to move on to other things and are now leaving the site in the capable hands of Betaworks.

[–]Kaique94 70ポイント71ポイント  (19子コメント)

Yup. /r/SexWithDogs and /r/SexWithHorses is illegal, but still allowed here. Or, if I want to get pedantic, weed is illegal in most states, /r/trees gets a pass.

This is about being as PC as humanly possible. Not legality.

[–]hsifyllej 33ポイント34ポイント  (12子コメント)

Viewing bestiality porn is completely legal, it's the production that's not allowed

[–]Kaique94 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fair enough. I really don't care since I'm fine with chicken being killed so I can eat them, just pointing out reddit's hypocrisy.

[–]RedAero 22ポイント23ポイント  (10子コメント)

And so is loli.

[–]river710 34ポイント35ポイント  (9子コメント)

The production of loli is not illegal.

[–]MegaAlex 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

What's loli? I'm not sure I want to google it.

[–]LeLavish 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Loli generally refers to little girls. Not to be confused with lolita, which is a fascination with Victorian-era fashion, but the two can overlap.

[–]MegaAlex 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks, I remember years ago a friend told me she found lolita on her bf pc and was really upset. I just assumed it was some sort of young Latina but never really looked into it. I think I understand now.

Thanks again.

[–]KonnichiNya -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's just frowned upon and the laws regarding it are so vague that you could probably be arrested for it if they wanted to.

[–]river710 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Eh, there have been three cases for it, ever.

No ones at legal risk for hosting it.

[–]KonnichiNya 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I swore I heard something about some dude with gigs of it getting his case dismissed but that's just some vague recollection.

It's just stupid that /u/spez even made a stink about it. They are absolutely prepping this site for sale. They wouldn't bother with this shit if they actually cared about the users.

[–]river710 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I'm not too worried personally, the porn on reddit is pretty weak anyways.

There are way better outlets for any affected subreddits.

[–]PintSizedPinata -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

He meant the other half

[–]RedAero -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is what I meant.

[–]Tkent91 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Or, if I want to get pedantic, weed is illegal in most states

If you want to get pedantic it depends on what we are referring too. Majority of states have some sort of legalized form/use of it or have at least decriminalized it.

[–]bit_pusher 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

States can't decriminalize something that is illegal at the Federal level. Colorado, et al. can codify whatever they want into State law, but it is still illegal.

[–]Tkent91 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Okay then with his original point then weed is illegal everywhere and not most (most would signify not all) states with that argument.

[–]conundrum2 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Federal law supersedes state law, making weed illegal. Both the state governments and federal governments acknowledge this. However, The federal government is not currently enforcing marijuana laws in states that have legalized it on a state level.

[–]OneManWar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, did you not hear about the feds raiding state legal shops in California and arresting Chong? Seizing all the money and assets?

And not just his shop, plenty of legal dispensaries get raided. It's not new.

[–]Savage_X 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

They'd better be selling fast, because they are steadily destroying value in the site.

[–]OneManWar -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You really think a potential buyer would be scared away by the fact that they banned coontown? Are you seriously that clueless in life?

CEO of some company: "Let's pass on that reddit thing, they banned some racist stuff and some cartoons of underage girls getting fucked. I'm not down with that."

lol....

You people are crazy on here.

[–]JonasBrosSuck 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

so how do we make reddit as non-profitable as possible?

[–]SheeEttin 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

The staff seems to be doing that pretty well on their own.

[–]JonasBrosSuck 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

obviously not enough, i'm talking about a obvious change that the admins will see the users are not happy. It's clear that complaining in these threads are not helping and the admins are still doing whatever they want banning subreddits based on vague rules

[–]mud074 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Adblock, don't buy gold, tell people who are interested about alternatives. That's about all you can do unless you want to actively shit up the site in which case you are just as bad as the admins.

[–]ifactor 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

leave

Not buying gold and turning off ads won't do anything.

[–]non_consensual 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

It will increase their server load.

[–]otarU -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They have 50 Million, barely a scratch on their pockets.

[–]Uwutnowhun 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bingo.

[–]Rebbit_Man 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

Side note, downvoting /u/spez will hide his comments and suppress discussion on the matter. Don't do it!

It's certainly better than upvoting.

[–]SuperAwesomeNinjaGuy 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Side note, downvoting /u/spez will hide his comments and suppress discussion on the matter. Don't do it!

Im pretty sure his bullshit answers and skirting around why he hasnt got rid of SRS/SRD is suppressing the discussion.

[–]Guardian960 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

But how else can we show that we see through his bullshit?

[–]samnya745 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just Continue to discuss it and upvote the people who point out his bullshit. If we hide his comments, we also hide all of the important replies. When their comments are hidden goes from "wow that reddit admin is terrible, and this guy made a great point on why this site sucks" to "oh it looks like reddit hasn't said anything about this , oh well."

[–]centerflag982 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

If we hide his comments, we also hide all of the important replies.

What important replies? Reddit admins don't reply to hardball questions, you should know that by now

[–]samnya745 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I meant the people replying to them. The ones who say the important questions. If you hide what the reddit admins say then you also hide everything that is being said to them

[–]B11111 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I could be wrong as I don't really keep up with child porn regulations, but aren't drawings "depictions", thus making them illegal in some countries? And isn't one of those countries Canada, where Reddit is still fairly popular?

[–]MrFlagg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

However, drawings are not illegal in the United States

you get that the WWW is world wide eh?

[–]OnionNo -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Side note, downvoting /u/spez will hide his comments and suppress discussion on the matter. Don't do it!

I guess no matter how hard you try, you can't make people break the connection between "downvote" and "disagree".

I may not like the changes being presented, or agree with them, or even agree that /u/spez has been truthful, but he's taking the time out to explain what's going on and comment, which should be appreciated.

[–]MyPaynis 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

But he hasn't been truthful. He is dodging direct answers and saying that they are working on "technology" to prevent the SRS brigading. This means he knows they brigade but won't remove them like he is other subreddits that don't brigade. There is nothing wrong with people showing their disagreement with the new policy by using the voting arrows. It's a clear way to send a message.

[–]OnionNo -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

True, you're right about the issues with his statements so far. I have some issues with that as well.

My issue with using downvotes to convey that, however, is that depending on how you use reddit, it can bury an important reply like this. Downvotes are designed for shitposts. I'd like for them to be a little more robust than that, since most people use it as a catchall disagreement button. Which, in the end, is probably fine for cases like this where you just have to make sure to sort by q&a so spez doesn't get buried. Not sure why I got salty over it.

[–]MyPaynis 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's all good. I find that his responses are not addressing the questions asked. When he dodges the question I show my displeasure by downvoting.

[–]TopazRoom 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you're going to unban stuff like that, you're going to have to unban places like coontown because they too act as an outlet for people who agree with the ideology.

I think it's incredibly stupid to be banning any non-illegal subreddits. You actually have to GO to that website in order to be offended, if it's not leaking into the rest of the website, there's no harm in mean pictures.

Also, when asked which communities have been banned in the top comment, spez only replies with anti-black communities. Either your banning ONLY anti-black communities which is ridiculous or your trying to make a PR move by showing off how you don't like racism and that's equally ridiculous. I'm sure you've banned more, and intend to continue banning, but why only mention coontown?

[–]echolocat10n -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

Most psychologists state that staying away from all forms of child pornography, including animated forms, is better pedophiles.

[–]otarU 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

Can you provide a source on that? Thanks.

[–]DavidJCobb -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

There's something I'd like to point out here, real quick.

Anonymish has claimed that it's good for pedophiles to look at illustrated child porn. For this, they have received 729 points, no requests for a source, and they have been gilded.

echolocat10n has claimed that it's not good for pedophiles to look at illustrated child porn. For this, they have received no points, no gold, and one request for a source. There's two hours' difference between the posts, so time alone does not account for the difference in reception.

I feel like that says something about the (hundreds of) people who have been reading this thread.

[–]otarU 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aren't you reaching conclusions too quickly using that logic? Generalizing people like that is kinda wrong you know...

I am against the ban of Loli Hentai / Cartoons subreddits because I don't feel like it is CP or that it hurts anyone. The characters are not even real, they are fictional. Also like one of those guys said some Loli Girls are "petite" and some people are attracted to that.

There is even a thing / meme called Pettanko that means Flat Chested that is a character stereotype in Anime Girls. ( Like people who like flat chested woman or busty womans )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfUe2eckPFQ

A petite cute flat chested anime girl can easily be mistaken as a Loli.

If you take a look on r/rule34 Top Posts of All Time, there are tons of underage characters being show on sexual "animated" images. It has 150k subscribers, so it is in no way a small subreddit.

So guess what, people growing up can have crushs for characters they like from cartoons, animes, games and movies. People have crushs on fictional characters because they like the character personality or how they are presented.

It might happen these characters might be underage because they watched cartoons, played games, watched movies while growing up, so their "idol crushs" might be those said fictional characters and you know teenages are horny motherfuckers.

Just like lots of people had crush on Emma Watson during the Harry Potter era, besides her being underage at that time.

I don't really know if Loli Hentai helps Pedophiles reduce their desires. That's why I asked echolocat10n to give a source. Because I would like to have more knowledge so I can give a better opinion on this discussion.

And I think lots of people were upvoting those who are against the censorship because they don't consider Loli Hentai the same thing as Child Porn. They know how to differentiate Fiction from Reality just like people can differentiate GTA from Real Life. So they think that the censorship is dumb since Loli Hentai doesn't actually hurt anyone.

I also feel that the Admins from Reddit were not transparent about this ban, for example they didn't say what subreddits were banned. I wish they were more transparent on what they banned instead of just listing a few Racist Subreddits that got removed and not them all.

Just my opinion about the matter.

[–]samnya745 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

I get your point but that doesnt excuse the lack of source. Using outlets as a way to lose the urge to do something harmful is a common knowledge technique that may be how it works for child pornography; it makes sense to people. His claim doesn't make sense to people, so they are more wary. In reality, both should have a source, otherwise they're both meaningless statements.

[–]DavidJCobb 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes, they both should have a source. I'm a little concerned that "pedophiles should look at sexualized images of children" makes more sense to people than "pedophiles should not look at sexualized images of children," though.

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    [–]DavidJCobb 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yes! When I describe the thing that's actually happening, it does sound bad, whereas when you describe the thing you hope is happening, it sounds a lot better. You can't say that it's a "harmless outlet" when you have no source for that and when a common-sense description of the concept sounds pretty transparently fucked up.

    [–]DarkLoad1 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    However, drawings are not illegal in the United States, and don't pose a problem for you from a legal point of view.

    How about they're disgusting? Is that an argument for you, does that work? The people who work at Reddit are - guess what - NOT pedophiles! So they don't want that content here. I don't know why everyone leaps to the advertising / legality argument when it's clear in every post that they just don't want this content here.

    What they do is offer an outlet for those who are attracted to children.

    Provide a source, now, or shut the fuck up. That sounds like such bullshit.

    The same goes for pedos - they didn't choose it, and shouldn't be demonized for that.

    We can say that, but I'm still going to resist the idea that disallowing this content is harmful and will never accept that it's necessary. There are sources that willfully supply it; they can go there - and frankly, I don't understand why you do want them here. Reddit's not the be-all end-all of the internet - and anyway, where the hell do you think they're getting it anyway? It's not made here. Someone still has to seek it out.

    This is such an idiotic argument built around enabling behavior that shouldn't be enabled. If someone is a pedophile, they shouldn't seek an outlet - they should seek help, goddammit. A therapist, psychologist, something. Not just wallow in their desire - which can be very harmful to others.

    [–]skilliard4 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Provide a source, now, or shut the fuck up. That sounds like such bullshit.

    Try going a year without fapping or sex. Do you begin to start feeling hornier and more tempted? Sexual release does in fact reduce the likelihood of actual abuse. If you just let your libido build up, you'll just be more and more tempted to do something sexual. And since pedophiles are attracted to children, it's not good to let that tension build up.

    Now, you'll probably provide the "slippery slope" argument, claiming it would make them want the "real thing". This has been disproven by a Japanese study:

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/18/world/asia/japan-manga-anime-pornography/

    "While no link has been made between anime, manga and child abuse[...] according to a White Paper issued by [the] National Police Agency in March."

    [–]DarkLoad1 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Please actually read that article. Also, personal anecdotes are not a source. If you do not have a psychologist saying "hey, pedophiles need an outlet" then the entire argument is invalid. End of story.

    [–]skilliard4 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Can you provide me any evidence that would prove otherwise? You're just as guilty of having no evidence.

    [–]the_code_always_wins -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If you read /u/spez's other comments, his goal is clear.

    He wants to keep undesirable people off the site. By having a lolicon subreddit, pedos may come to reddit to check it out. He doesn't want pedos here.

    [–]thecallohnull -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    http://theconversation.com/when-a-drawing-or-cartoon-image-can-land-you-in-jail-33418

    "The law covers still and moving images, and can include cartoons, drawings, and manga-style images."

    [–]Anonymish 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That article is misleading. Read more of the comments in this thread, they give better information.

    [–]HyliaSymphonic -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Yup, brining an alcoholic to a bar just helps get them a nice rush without any of that harmful stuff. This is such bullshit pseudo science it hurts.

    [–]Anonymish 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    A chemical addition isn't really comparable to sexual preferences.

    [–]HyliaSymphonic -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    How is it not?

    Lolicon is methadone to pedophilia's herion.

    [–]Anonymish 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    A better analogy to use with "alcoholic at a bar" would be "taking a pedophile to a preschool where no one will deny him/her access to children for sexual use". There's not really any analogy that works to compare an alcoholic to a pedophile, and it's because they are not the same thing.

    [–]mgs4manj -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Side note, downvoting spez will hide his comments and suppress discussion on the matter. Don't do it!

    Why are people downvoting spez? I don't understand.

    [–]samnya745 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    People downvote when they disagree or dislike someone. Its not how reddit is supposed to work, but 99% of redditors vote this way

    [–]JiveTurkey92 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    why won't he think about the pedophiles!

    [–]KinarA_ -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The same goes for pedos - they didn't choose it, and shouldn't be demonized for that.

    Yes they should. They're fucking pieces of shit.