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[–]kopkaas2000 321ポイント322ポイント  (290子コメント)

You're probably getting flooded with questions about this, but would you be willing to elaborate on the harm they were causing? As big as my distaste for racist bigots is, there's a strong narrative going on that they weren't breaking any rules / weren't harassing other users / were staying on their own shitty little island.

If you in fact just want to get rid of racist subs, it seems to me that just being clear on the issue would work out better. If it was indeed about rulebreaking, some more information would put the "they did nothing wrong"-narrative, and the implication of capricious justice, to bed.

[–]spez[S] -319ポイント-318ポイント  (289子コメント)

We didn't ban them for being racist. We banned them because we have to spend a disproportionate amount of time dealing with them. If we want to improve Reddit, we need more people, but CT's existence and popularity has also made recruiting here more difficult.

[–]TheoryOfSomething 591ポイント592ポイント  (164子コメント)

Honestly then it sounds like you need to update your content policy again because nothing about what you said just now is reflected in your updated policy.

You banned them because they cause you problems, so why not just make that the standard? It'd at least be honest.

[–]spez[S,A] -440ポイント-439ポイント  (158子コメント)

That is what I meant by "While participating, it’s important to keep in mind this value above all others: show enough respect to others so that we all may continue to enjoy Reddit for what it is," which is in the opening statement of the Policy.

[–]TheoryOfSomething 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd suggest putting something significantly more specific than that in the 'Unwelcome Content' section. Say specifically that content which causes reddit admins/staff to spend a disproportionate amount of time removing/modifying/responding to it will be removed. I don't know how many resources you spent dealing with CoonTown but consider quantifying what level of bullshit you're willing to put up with as much as possible.

Our exchange illustrates exactly why the core value you quoted is too vague to be called a content policy. I didn't even know it was an actionable part of the policy until you told me. Usually introductory paragraphs and preambles are just that, introductory. The real meat of the policy is spelled out in detail below.

[–]4dams 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually, I think he does cover it in the next section under 'Prohibited Behavior.':

(...) doing anything that interferes with normal use of Reddit

Pretty broad, just the opposite of the specificity you probably intended or may desire, but sure covers admins having to deal with too much bullshit traceable to a particular user or sub.

'Normal,' like the word 'reasonable,' is unarguably subjective, but judges and juries have been dealing with such for centuries. Sometimes when you run the place you gotta make a judgment call on who and what is welcome and what is not.

I run a business open to the public, a bar, and sometimes patrons who don't like my rules vote with their feet, and sometimes I have to help them find their shoes and show them the door.

[–]probably_quite_drunk 523ポイント524ポイント  (45子コメント)

Every time you explain the policy further, it applies more and more to /r/ShitRedditSays . You know it, we know it, everyone knows it. Yet you outright refuse to even acknowledge it in any replies.

Why is that? Are the admins covering for it? If so, why?

Does the new policy somehow not apply to them, even though they specifically fit the exact definitions you are giving?

Every time you ignore this issue, it only convinces more users that Reddit will not be transparent as claimed and that the hypocrisy is rife.

[–]twomongsmakearight 88ポイント89ポイント  (0子コメント)

It really is amazing to witness the mental gymnastics /u/spez is using to both justify the obvious hypocrisy of his content policy, whilst avoiding any correlation to SRS. That subreddit was founded to piss off Reddit and has been proven over and over again to disrupt and abuse users from other subreddits, via harassment and vote manipulation/brigading.

At this point, I've lost any kind of faith that the Reddit admins will acknowledge the SRS/SRD problem.

[–]oldneckbeard 55ポイント56ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yep. SRS is exactly why nobody trusted the admins to fairly apply a content policy, and the more /u/spez opens his mouth about reasons for banning X, it's clear that they are enforcing their own politics/morals on the rest of reddit.

[–]emojiexpert 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is my fucking issue with it. i didnt like fph or coontown but i dont think the admins are right to thrust their ethical views on the community

[–]TheFrigginArchitect 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

CT's existence and popularity has also made recruiting here more difficult.

Based on this comment above, odds are programmers reddit has tried to hire have mentioned CoonTown negatively and they have not mentioned SRS negatively

[–]mennoniteminuterice 10ポイント11ポイント  (17子コメント)

Man I know it is worth two shits but I think I remember him mentioning SRS being a problem recently. I'll start looking and report back when I find it.

[–]probably_quite_drunk 45ポイント46ポイント  (16子コメント)

He responds to it in this thread. He says he knows they brigade and harass, but that they are trying to fix the problem with technology instead of banning. But he refuses to explain why they get special treatment despite the community calling for bans for months - if not years.

[–]RedAero 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let's be honest here, there's one reason and one reason only: politics. The reaction to banning a self-styled morally progressive thought police subreddit wouldn't fly well with the huge SJW contingent on the interweb. The fallout wouldn't be pretty, and it would immediately be spun into "Reddit protects /r/insertracistsubredditdujourhere over critical progressive safe space /r/SRS".

[–]Lone_K 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

God, every comment mentioning SRS is getting fucked over with downvotes.

[–]xilog 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why is that?

You know why. The admins actively support SRS.

[–]gummz 13ポイント14ポイント  (8子コメント)

Glad I've more or less gone to voat, just watching this shitstorm from afar.

[–]Nothing_Impresses_Me 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

I tried voat and most of what I saw was just circlejerking over not being reddit

[–]gummz 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

You should try the subvoats, like technology, science, etc. It works just like reddit.

[–]mushyz 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

nothing impresses you though so who cares what you think

[–]Kaique94 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol same, this is hilarious.

[–]-Evilfurz 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

/r/ShitRedditSays will never be removed; The CEO, and the site Admins know that once they ban it, they will be doxxed tenfold.

[–]NGC2467 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

...but we already know their names?

[–]apachelephant 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I have no idea what their plans are, but from a realistic perspective if you were to make changes for both, you should make an example of the openly bigoted forum first. SRS is a huge community and a real pain in the ass to find yourself in conflict with. They always try to take a high road, and claim people are guilty of hateful things (sexism, racism). You can't let the word get out against you that you are propagating a forum for racism and bigotry while silencing those defending the masses (or whatever their delusions may be). So, before they make a move on SRS, they must set a precedent and have a clear standard all communities are held to. This should really be acting as a warning towards SRS, but I am not sure that is how it will be interpreted.

[–]probably_quite_drunk 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

They always try to take a high road

Except for that whole driving someone to suicide thing and brigading against a rape victim, not to mention repeated doxxings. That's no high road you or I would recognize.

[–]apachelephant -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

There are a lot of superficial arguments about the relevant communities, and often those events are ignored or distanced from the 'reality' of SRS in these situations. There is always an idealistic sheen added to how people speak about their own group, and that facade for SRS is what I was referring to. The surface argument is generalized as confronting racist, sexist or otherwise discriminatory behavior, when in reality it goes much deeper.

The surface argument really is important though, that's all a majority of currently uninformed people will ever care to hear about it.

[–]probably_quite_drunk 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't disagree with any of that.

[–]SpeakLikeAChild04 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why is that? Are the admins covering for it?

lol because a former reddit admin mods SRS. The conspiracy pushed around for years here is 100 percent true. The current reddit admins refuse to acknowledge this yet you can literally see intortus's name in the SRS mod list.

[–]wowww_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

maybe they're best friends with the current reddit administration. that's all that makes sense.

[–]cptnpiccard 97ポイント98ポイント  (12子コメント)

"enjoy Reddit for what it is"

Exactly WHAT it is then? You had those guys isolated in a corner, nobody needs to go there if they don't want, and as crazy as they are (and many other racist/homophobic subs are), I never got any interruption or distress in my browsing experience due to them. Pretty much what you're saying is: "whatever, play nice, or we'll cut you off if you bother us too much" in terms of manpower.

[–]GaslightProphet 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

My guess is that's because you aren't black. Plenty of black users have complained about running into racism all over reddit

[–]OneBigBug 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Plenty of black users have complained about running into racism all over reddit

Do we think that banning a few racist subreddits will get rid of that? Or are these black users specifically going to the racist subreddits and complaining about that?

[–]FluxxxCapacitard -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Tell me how that's different than walking down the street. Why should reddit magically be better than 99% of the rest of 'civilized' earth.

Walk down the street in any U.S. city. 1 in 10 people are calling you a nigger under their breath. At least behind the keyboard they are finding the courage to do it to you somewhat more directly. Reddit isn't the problem. Mostly, it's humans.

[–]zardeh 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why should reddit magically be better than 99% of the rest of 'civilized' earth.

Why shouldn't they try to be?

[–]FluxxxCapacitard -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because in doing so, they are pouring gasoline on a fire.

Tell someone not to be racist, and they become more hateful and racist. Let them have a corner to go be racist in? They'll go be racist in that corner. Everyone else goes on about their day.

You are not going to magically make things better by prohibiting racist speech. If anything, people like taboo. See U.S. alcohol prohibition.

Bring it out. Discuss it. Let the hate flow. Let people see the flaws in their logic. Nigger faggot thundercunt. See how ridiculous that sounds? Stop being butthurt about what others say and look the other way. Reddit is reacting exactly the way they WANT them to. It got a reaction. The racists won.

When my daughter threw a temper tantrum when she was younger I would walk away. Right in the middle of a store. Let her scream it out in the middle of the floor. Responding to it only encourages more. Walk away and she shuts up and realizes how ridiculous she is acting.

Some people never learned that lesson. And they throw temper tantrums well into adulthood. Worse yet, people now have to get involved (because they can't mind their own fucking business) and cave in to said temper tantrums.

[–]zardeh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They'll go be racist in that corner. Everyone else goes on about their day.

until they start to try and spread their racism which, trust me, they do, you see it if you pay attention.

Bring it out. Discuss it. Let the hate flow. Let people see the flaws in their logic. Nigger faggot thundercunt. See how ridiculous that sounds? Stop being butthurt about what others say and look the other way. Reddit is reacting exactly the way they WANT them to. It got a reaction. The racists won.

Except that these aren't logical people, they are bigoted people. Like trying to convince the Pope to become an atheist. not gonna happen. (and no I'm not calling the Pope bigoted or drawing a similarity between racism and Catholicism)

When my daughter threw a temper tantrum when she was younger I would walk away. Right in the middle of a store. Let her scream it out in the middle of the floor. Responding to it only encourages more. Walk away and she shuts up and realizes how ridiculous she is acting.

And that works great, until you are with company, or at a restaurant, or generally need to interface with the rest of society while simultaneously dealing with the temper tantrum. So you set rules like "no temper tantrums in the toy store or we don't go back." And if you don't do that, the toy store or the restaraunt eventually kicks you out, because eventually you have become part of the problem by not effectively stopping the tantrums.

Some people never learned that lesson. And they throw temper tantrums well into adulthood.

yes, because saying "get off my lawn" is caving in. I'd argue that caving in is agreeing that despite being unsavory, free speech is a good enough reason to keep them around.

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    [–]cptnpiccard 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Then should we ban "all of reddit"? I never saw coontown leaking into the front page. You had to go there to see what they were posting.

    Racism is going to exist everywhere because racist people are everywhere, but nobody was inviting or forcing black people to go there.

    [–]GaslightProphet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I never saw coontown leaking into the front page. You had to go there to see what they were posting.

    You didn't, lots of other people did, including the admins - having a haven for racist on reddit attracted racists to reddit, and surprise, surprise, they didn't just stay in their haven.

    [–]MajorBeefCurtains 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This might explain some things: https://archive.is/KIhpe

    [–]babeltoothe 152ポイント153ポイント  (50子コメント)

    So how exactly do you define being kind to others? Will you ban people who offend others with their different opinions? It's way too vague.

    [–]pWHOp_ 90ポイント91ポイント  (25子コメント)

    It's way too vague.

    that's not an accident

    [–]Nora_Reed 36ポイント37ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Yup, the real policy is this: "We will ban any sub we want at our whim and need no reason."

    Obviously, it's their site and that is their right. But the pretend wankery about actually having rules is just embarrassing.

    [–]MrMoustachio 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Guess voat will be down again. These reddit migrations should be a wake up call to these admins, but they don't seem to grasp it.

    [–]kingdickinabox 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Voat registration just friggin opened too. Been waiting weeks!

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        [–]Meowkit 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

        You say that like ambiguity is a good thing. This is why legal systems suck.

        [–]pWHOp_ 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

        lol. For reddit admins it is, it lets them ban whatever they want.

        [–]Meowkit 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        True.

        Ugh.

        #Fucktheadmins #armchairwarriors

        [–]Uwutnowhun 13ポイント14ポイント  (9子コメント)

        Sounds like you guys aren't respecting him.

        [–]DrinkingJesusBlood 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

        he deserves ZERO respect at this point, less than Chairman Pao did. /u/spez is destroying what reddit stands for, a free safe space to express opinions and ideas. At the cost of the userbase.

        This site is shit now that if it's not monetizable, it's ban worthy.

        [–]MachoDagger 26ポイント27ポイント  (6子コメント)

        RIP /r/KotakuInAction and /r/TumblrInAction Fee fee's OP.

        [–]babeltoothe 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I find vegetables particularly offensive, and anyone who mentions them is being mean to me. We need to ban all vegetable related subreddits.

        [–]MachoDagger 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Right? Where do you draw the line? Stupid subjectivity is totally what we needed ^-^

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          [–]Hookerboots12 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Everyone is offended by everything now, it's only a matter of time before this is all just one big censored subreddit. And SRS.

          [–]res0nat0r -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

          You guys want some kind of 100% black and white ruleset. It doesn't work like that, unless you want some 200 page lawyer type document that will be constantly updated, and piss Reddit off even more.

          Stuff they find offensive is subjective, and will be banned if they decide to do so. I don't see any problem with this and that's the way the world works. Reddit loves black and white worldviews, but this is another issue that doesn't fit that.

          [–]babeltoothe 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Why have rules at all then? Just let the admins do what they want and the community should just deal with it, right?

          [–]res0nat0r -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yup. Again, the world isn't black and white. The naive folks here believe that it will somehow be so, but it won't work. Offensive and what they find overtly disruptive is subjective, and it is totally fine for them to choose what they remove and what they don't.

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              [–]Eternal_Mr_Bones 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Not to give you a hard time, but how does:

              show enough respect to others so that we all may continue to enjoy reddit

              Equate to:

              CT's existence and popularity has also made recruiting here more difficult.

              because we have to spend a disproportionate amount of time dealing with them.

              I certainly understand the latter reasons for wanting to ban them if they are causing you trouble, but the former explanation doesn't really make sense.

              [–]SteelSaxon 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Again, more vague verbiage that doesn't define a rule.

              [–]stormbringer89 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

              You promised not to be vague, and you go 100% vague. What a dipshit you have turned out to be so far.

              [–]fidsah 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

              And yet, you refuse to respect those with differing opinions enough that they can continue to enjoy Reddit for what it is.

              [–]DR_McBUTTFUCK 21ポイント22ポイント  (7子コメント)

              Could you explain what problems those subreddits have caused you? They seemed like the kept to themselves very much, concentrated and far away from the average compliant redditor.

              Now you've spread them like a virus across the rest of reddit. Expect the Streisand affect to fully bloom from this action too.

              [–]symon_says -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

              You really think a lot of people were on the fence waiting to say things like:

              "It's to silence dissent and keep your average white person clueless about the terrors of the nigger."

              ???????????????????????????????????????????????

              You think your buzzword "Streisand *effect" can TURN PEOPLE INTO INSANE RACISTS?

              [–]DR_McBUTTFUCK 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

              I think that letting them vent like that is healthy. Do you really think that the people who say racist things online are the kind of people who are mean to minorities in real life?

              They're the ones who respect them the most.

              Like letting people play violent video games, it gets all that violence out of their system. Without the harmless simulation they'd be more inclined to act out the behavior, in a harmful manner.

              [–]relee1865 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Somehow, your answers are becoming even more opaque

              [–]LittleRadagast 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Just be honest and say you are banning subs because everyone wants them gone.

              We are here harassing you because /SRS/ and their "Fempire of harassment" should be banned by your new rules, but the racist ones shouldn't be. That's ridiculous.

              Be honest, or ban /SRS/.

              [–]fried_fetus 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

              It is FAR too easy to argue that one for any case. For example, I think you disrespected the subreddits you banned, but I doubt you'll be banning yourself.

              [–]Emazinng 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Do you not realize how ridiculous that sounds?

              [–]ikidd 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              So basically if we complain enough about a community we don't agree with and make it more of a hassle to wade through the PMs, you'll nuke them?

              Good to know how it works.

              What a joke this place is becoming. Digg 2.0.

              [–]BaCoN_BaD 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              But which is it? Your content policy states

              "Being annoying, vote brigading, or participating in a heated argument is not harassment, but following an individual or group of users, online or off, to the point where they no longer feel that it's safe to post online or are in fear of their real life safety is."

              and you just stated

              We banned them because we have to spend a disproportionate amount of time dealing with them.

              To me it sounds like you banned them because they were annoying.

              [–]DrinkingJesusBlood 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

              So, Values, eh /u/spez? Pushing your personal moral beliefs on others is a good way to run a business?

              Is this the fucking church of latter day saints now?

              Or are you just lying and needed to score an advertising deal?

              We can't enjoy reddit now, out of fear of breaching your moral etiquette.

              [–]laszlomoholy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              You're the big-shot CEO of a major media aggregator... and you're a fucking COWARD.

              ACKNOWLEDGE THE SRS ISSUE. You're making yourself look like a damned fool to your users by just blatantly dodging it.

              [–]bluebehemoth 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              But shitredditsays is not banned?

              [–]sfmusicman 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Fucking bullshit you asshole, way to ruin reddit. We were better under Pao

              [–]throwthisway 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              While participating, it’s important to keep in mind this value above all others: show enough respect to others so that we all may continue to enjoy Reddit for what it is

              tl;dr: While participating, it's important to keep in mind that you must conform to what we currently feel is important to advertisers.

              [–]dawgflymd 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Then if that's the case, get rid of SRS for brigading. I've never been bothered nor visited CT, yet SRS leaks out almost daily and affects many more users unwillingly. How is this policy being applied fairly? I'm not standing up for CT in the least bit, but it doesn't seem your policy is representative of your actions.

              [–]columbine 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              This is such a fucking cop-out answer. You should honestly be ashamed of yourself. You banned them because they were racist, you didn't like them, and because they were bad press. That's all. Say it. You fucking coward.

              [–]CatRelatedUsername 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              So what steps are you going to take to reassure the part of your community that is rather leery of these changes? I'm not going to shed any tears for /r/CoonTown, but the way this has been done is rather disconcerting.

              [–]almightybob1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Could you stop being a fucking coward for 5 minutes and address the questions you have been asked throughout this thread about why you are giving SRS a special exemption from these rules?

              [–]Rudimon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              This is ridiculous. You are just banning opinions you don't like and trying to justify it with cryptic and generic policies.

              This isn't our (the community's) reddit anymore, it's yours.

              [–]Sacrix 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              So basically, the broadest, and least defined sentence of the content policy that can be applied to literally anything you disagree with?

              [–]futurespice 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              So by "show respect to others" you mean "don't cause much work for the staff"? Why not just write that out plainly?

              [–]reddit_sux -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Hi, I created SRS and I’d like to ask you now to please ban it. Thanks!

              [–]sobieski84 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              U just killed reddit. Gone the way of digg

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                [–]neoform 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Thou shalt not annoy reddit admins, or thou shalt be banished.

                [–]russellvt 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                You banned them because they cause you problems, so why not just make that the standard?

                I believe that's at least peripherally covered in "breaking reddit" ... in short, if you cause the admins to actually have to work, specifically, to "keep up" with you or your community... you're keeping them from doing "real" work, and effectively breaking their work cycles (and thus, are in need of "attention").

                [–]Ultimate_Cabooser 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                You banned them because they cause you problems, so why not just make that the standard? It'd at least be honest.

                That's not a bad idea, actually. They could even get away with a lot of shit if they made that their policy, too.

                [–]OrionBlastar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I'll tell you when they say it annoys the average Redditor, their definition of the average Redditor is a social justice warrior liberal progressive. So racist subs about black people get banned but racist subs about Jewish people are not. I'll bet that they are banning subs to get more liberal progressive advertisers.

                /r/atheism really annoys Christians and other religious people, but it stays. /r/politics really annoys Conservaitves but it stays.

                You see there is a power elite in silicon valley that are corporate liberals that provide VC funding and investments and other things. They have to be kept happy to keep Reddit fully invested and advertise on their site. In order to make a profit they have to follow their politics and ban what they want banned and not ban the stuff they want to keep. The power elite controls the news media except for Fox News and other right-wing sources. Thyey don't follow their own rules like hiring diversely so they take an unqualified female or minority employee and promote them to management to make up for it. Which explains how Ellen Pao became CEO when she wasn't qualified for the job. As it turned out Pao didn't make the bad decisions it was the board of directors that did, and they put the blame on her.

                Remember these are Corporate Liberals so the same rules don't apply to them as it does regular liberals.

                [–]relee1865 91ポイント92ポイント  (3子コメント)

                We banned them because we have to spend a disproportionate amount of time dealing with them.

                I'm sorry, but wasn't the whole point of this thread to highlight new content restrictions. Yet you're going ahead and stating that these subs were banned because...what? You didn't have time to deal with them? How much more arbitrary can you get?

                The only thing this post has clarified is just how subjective and restrictionist the administrators of reddit are.

                [–]ornothumper 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                In one comment /u/spez has demonstrated how Reddit HQ is essentially run like Amateur Hour at the Apollo.

                He literally just announced a bunch of new rules, and cited examples being banned that literally didn't violate those exact rules. ...and then inadvertently admits that in a subsequent comment that the reason the censorship was to ease his own logistical issues. What an idiot.

                The underlying problem with Reddit is that it has no core principles or integrity. It isn't about free speech. It isn't about organizing people. It isn't about creating content. ...so what is it? I'll tell you what it is... Easily replaceable.

                [–]u1tralord 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                So basically what they're saying is to just spam messages about a sub you don't like, and they'll ban it for you! :)

                [–]babeltoothe 79ポイント80ポイント  (7子コメント)

                All this seems completely arbitrary. Subreddits that don't meet the criteria are banned because they "waste your time", and subreddits that do like SRS don't because... brigading can be "handled by technology"? But your policy mentions harassing as a bannable offence...

                It just doesn't make sense man. It seems more like you guys made this as vague as possible so you could carpet bomb whatever subreddits you guys don't like and then hide behind intentional ambiguity in the rules.

                Way to mess it up :/

                [–]jonivy 31ポイント32ポイント  (2子コメント)

                If we want to improve Reddit, we need more people, but CT's existence and popularity has also made recruiting here more difficult.

                Maybe you guys need a CEO or something... oh wait, that's you! You actually think that you're having problems recruiting because of the existence of some content on reddit? Are you serious?

                Did you come to that conclusion on your own, or did somebody tell you that?

                It seems like whoever said that to you probably doesn't know what they're talking about, and you should seriously consider not trusting them to have good information for you.

                If you seem to be having problems recruiting, then you should consider firing your recruitment manager. He/she is probably the problem.

                [–]sfmusicman 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Exactly. This guy is a moron.

                [–]Leader2light 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Why is it the dumbest fucks are always CEO or some bullshit???

                [–]SteelSaxon 54ポイント55ポイント  (9子コメント)

                So be honest and tell us the real reason, don't hide behind a content-policy you've made as vague as possible so you could make arbitrary judgements without justifying yourselves.

                Just say it: Was Coontown banned because some people were kicking up a fuss about it?

                [–]lystmord 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Most likely some combo of that and the bad press. No matter /u/spez says here, It can't have been anything CT itself actually did. From another comment I made elsewhere:

                "I went through places like /r/FuckCoonTown and complaints from people like them. They had/have SHIT for receipts on CT. Some of their caps date back to older subs that got banned before CT existed. Some of their "harassment" caps are from users with ZERO history of posting to CT (and plenty of history of shitposting to basically everywhere else). Etc.

                All in all though, they didn't have a lot of caps for a highly active community that saw dozens of posts a day. Expecting the mods to be able to keep ALL 21k members from never, ever sending someone a nasty PM is insane. No mod of any sub could be reasonably held to that standard. The mods DID enforce the rules to the best degree that you could expect. Links to other subs, automatically removed by a bot. Most comments that broke the rules, removed in less than a day. Again, this is in a REALLY fast-paced sub.

                The vast, vast majority of CT members kept it in the sub. If this is the justification for the ban, it's crazy."

                After quietly scouting/lurking subs that opposed CT's existence though, I have noticed several users saying that they report CT users for something, or send the admin messages about CT on a daily basis. Sounds like the admins were getting a disproportionate amount of mail about us. I would imagine a 21k sub would normally be beneath the notice of the admins.

                [–]pWHOp_ 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                but CT's existence and popularity has also made recruiting here more difficult.

                because it made hiring people harder, apparently.

                [–]SteelSaxon 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Perhaps if they didn't fire employees over minor disagreements then they wouldn't need to hire replacements.

                [–]Karmas_burning 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                That kind of logic is typically not understood by manager and upper managers.

                [–]aveniner 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                Just say it: Was Coontown banned because some people were kicking up a fuss about it?

                exactly. Anti-coontown circlejerk was ridiculous and grew instantly on the wave of dissatisfaction amongst redditors after FPH was banned. I guess half of the people compalining about this sub never even visited it. And neither did admins.

                [–]Gnometard 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                I've noticed over the last year or two on reddit, that the assertions of racism/sexism/otherisms have increased and accelerated... Yet.. I never see any of that shit unless I look for it. Just about every post I look at, I see comments about how everyone is racist and sexist, but never the comments themselves.

                [–]Onyx_Blackmen 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                usually because it was deleted or removed by moderators who didnt value dissenting opinion from the norm.

                [–]Gnometard 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Maybe I need to spend more time showing my inability to recognize a poe by shouting loudly about muh feelz getting hurt when I see a comment that is fucked up?

                [–]Onyx_Blackmen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Maybe. But it happened to me a few threads when I'd mention a few different crime stats that didn't correlate with the subs feelz, so it was deleted after a few minutes.

                It is what it is. Unfortunately it only makes this place an echo chamber of people who didn't like to challenge themselves or their views, like an actual adult should regularly for their own growth.

                [–]fried_fetus 146ポイント147ポイント  (13子コメント)

                We banned them because we have to spend a disproportionate amount of time dealing with them.

                Don't see that one in the rule book.

                [–]paganpan 33ポイント34ポイント  (1子コメント)

                This needs to be addressed.

                I understand /u/spez 's sentiment and even empathize with it. He is saying community was making it hard for reddit to move forward because they had to take time away from doing other things. This is what quarantine was supposed to fix. It is reddit giving up responsibility for content without banning something that isn't breaking any rules which allows them to stop worrying about it.

                If /u/spez responds to "what did they do wrong?" with "they took up too much of our time", then either "taking up too much of /u/spez's time" needs to be added to the rules or something is really amiss.

                You are taking the time to write new rules. Write the rules you want, then enforce those rules. Don't write the rules you think we want to hear and then do whatever you want.

                If you are afraid that if you write the rules you plan on enforcing, it will cause some kind of exodus of users you need to either accept that those users don't belong on your reddit, or you need to seriously look at if the rules you want are what is best for the community.

                edit: some words

                [–]csatvtftw 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                More people need to read this. Pretty much hits the nail on the head.

                [–]sloppychris 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                What does 'dealing with them' even mean?

                [–]fried_fetus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Having the truth hurt too many feelings.

                [–]missoulawes 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                the rule book is open, and the pen is out. Its a write as you run type scenario.

                [–]Leader2light 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                n, don't hide behind a content-policy you've made as vague as possible so you could make arbitrary judgements witho

                This CEO is a dumbass. Just as bad as the last idiot.

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                  [–]JamisonP 56ポイント57ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  Yeah, because SRS spends a disproportionate amount of time bitching about them and tweeting their shit at Gawker who then writes articles about how racist reddit is.

                  What you're actually saying is you spend a disproportionate time dealing with SJWs who complain loudly about content they find problematic. Cure the disease, not the symptom. Humans are flawed, there will always be assholes who find the dark underbelly to spew their filth.

                  and don't recruit people who have a problem with questionable content existing, recruit people who are able to build tools to allow some people to protect themselves and some people to express their shitty shitty views without bothering anyone else.

                  [–]Nora_Reed 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Bingo. Coontown just wanted to be left alone to discuss the topic of the sub. If they never had any contact with Admins at all it would have been ideal for them.

                  Reddit is gonna learn SJWs are never, ever satisfied. Did gay marriage in the US get them to be less vehement? Nope, they moved on to attacking anyone who disagrees with them about transgender people. After that there will always be something else. They have spread massive media waves about air conditioning and subway posture. Video games or off color jokes. Donglegates and ManOnElevatorTalkedToMe=Rapegate. Dickwolves and Shirtgates. There is no end point where you ban enough wrongthink and they leave you alone, there is always another thing to ban or else you are literally Hitler for not going along with them.

                  The actual 99% of Reddit just wants to be left alone in our subs without having to bow to their whims. It's not our fault SRS people insist on intentionally going to subs where the know they will encounter content they dislike.

                  [–]Gnometard 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Plusgood duckspeak, comrade.

                  [–]moush 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Yeah but if they ban the SJW subs they'll get even more blown up. They've already chosen their side years ago.

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                    [–]DangerChipmunk 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I don't see "making it more difficult to recruit new people" in your new content policy.

                    [–]romad20000 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    That is honestly the biggest bullshit answer I have ever heard. Exactly what position couldn't they fill because some users were despicable shitheads? Computer programers? I thought that industry was over staffed as is! Was their some computer super MVP, who didn't want to NOT have to deal with racist! Can you imagine someone saying "I'm not working for Google, because they have racist links." So what that's their loss. Reddit is the 6th most visited site on the ENTIRE INTERNET! That is the kind of work experience that can set you up for a life time of success.

                    [–]malganis12 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Is this the policy moving forward? Communities whose existence and popularity make recruiting difficult are subject to bans?

                    [–]Oh_God_its_Jesus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Communities whose existence and popularity make recruiting marketing difficult are subject to bans?

                    Follow the money.

                    [–]Emazinng 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Welp, there it is. I'm glad you finally aren't bullshitting us. You banned them for the money.

                    [–]vanillathunder12 27ポイント28ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    They never left their own little shitty subreddit. They exist within their own little communities, but don't come out to others. You are trying to get rid of all the undesirables to increase ad revenue at the cost of more censorship. Same as Ellen.

                    [–]Booty_Bumping -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    They never left their own little shitty subreddit

                    Is this really true? When /r/fatpeoplehate and everyone pointed to /r/coontown, it exploded in popularity. I would think something as horrible as that getting so popular would have caused leakages of hate all over reddit.

                    /r/kiketown was only quarantined because it's just an echo chamber of hateful people, but the admins banned /r/coontown because it clearly caused stress on the them and their ability to run reddit.

                    [–]fidsah 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    So you banned /r/CoonTown for impacting your ability to recruit out of San Francisco, after firing all the employees who worked remotely, and now you're going to continue to ban subreddits who have done nothing but trifle with the feefees of the San Francisco tech community? Why not just delete every subreddit, and have the admins create the specific communities they don't have problems with, so that Reddit is one gaint hugbox, and ban everyone who disagrees with you, so that your recruitment numbers can go up?

                    [–]wtfredditok 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    We didn't ban them for being racist

                    CT's existence and popularity has also made recruiting here more difficult

                    Are you sure that's why recruiting is difficult? maybe it's because you find racist content acceptable until it causes a personal problem. That's a mindblowingly backwards policy. I'd be hesitant to hire anyone who previously worked at reddit and thought that this statement was reasonable.

                    You may want to reflect on this just a tiny bit.

                    [–]Drunkchamakh 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Meanwhile 100 mentions of SRS when CTRL + F and still no answer ...

                    [–]Ultimate_Cabooser 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Other than a half-assed "we're developing technology to deal with them so we won't have to, which is why we're not doing it now" answer.

                    [–]mrv3 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Rule 1 of reddit; Keep quiet, don't get in our way and praise us. All HAIL SPEZ FOREVER MAY HIS inbox remain empty and his job easy.

                    [–]truthandjustice821 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    it could have been quarantined

                    but it doesn't prescribe to your world view/you caved to the sjw's whingeing so it cannot be allowed to exist

                    either way you have done a disservice to everyone on this site

                    also /r/crackertown not even quarantined

                    [–]DrinkingJesusBlood 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    I think you're lying, /u/spez.

                    Be a good CEO and tell the truth.

                    [–]Ultimate_Cabooser 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    He's not lying. It's just that the reason isn't in the policy, not even the new one.

                    [–]babeltoothe 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I dealt enough with these "half-truth" lying techniques with my ex girlfriend. It's the oldest trick in the book for people who want to get away with shit.

                    [–]AlbanianWoodchipper 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    And here we have the real reason SRS isn't going to get banned. The admins actually took time to deal with /r/coontown, and got tired of it. Can't be tired of something you never deal with in the first place.

                    [–]peenoid 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    We didn't ban them for being racist. We banned them because we have to spend a disproportionate amount of time dealing with them.

                    Rofl, dude, you aren't fucking serious, are you? Here, let me fix that:

                    We didn't ban them for being racist. We banned them because we have to spend a disproportionate amount of time dealing with them because of their racism.

                    Do you really believe the stuff you say or do you just think we're idiots? It's one or the other, man.

                    [–]jeremyfrankly 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    It sounds like you banned them for being unpopular, which is kind of disturbing. Again, if they were breaking a rule like brigading or harassing people I have no problem with a ban but I'm not understanding why a ban was needed as opposed to a quarantine.

                    UPDATE: Wait, brigading IS allowed under the content policy. Which is weird. So were they just harassing people, or were you getting complaints about their existence?

                    [–]Pao_is_a_twat 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I think this is the closest you've come yet to finally admitting you're whitewashing the site for "people"(advertisers). Bravo.

                    [–]genericname1231 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    You are more of a piece of shit than Ellen was

                    I didn't think it possible.

                    [–]Fang88 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Yes, but Ellen Pao was a woman filing a sexism lawsuit so reddit was looking for an excuse to hate her.

                    Meanwhile, this guy is worse and reddit still upvotes him.

                    [–]ItsMeCaptainMurphy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    He's largely being downvoted at the moment. His original comment is upvoted but almost all of his responses that actually clarify anything are in the negative. But sure, sexism. That's gotta be it.

                    [–]sfmusicman 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Exactly

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                      [–]DrWhiskeydick 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      By making it more difficult to access, we can slow the negative feedback loop of: have heinous content, attract more people to contribute heinous content, Reddit becomes known more for heinous content than all the amazing stuff it does for the world.

                      I'll just point to /u/321poof 's response to that here:

                      for the record, you just admitted that the intent of these rules has nothing to do with harassment or brigading, that is the spin you are using to justify them, but you just admitted it is really an attempt to discourage the posting of, and limiting the access to, certain kinds of content that you subjectively find heinous. that is exactly the motive you are being accused of having, and you just plead guilty.

                      Because I think this is another instance of you openly admitting to banning for completely different reasons than you originally cited. This has been the point the entire time, the whole problem people have with you banning subs, why people are pissed that you're not banning subs that actual normal people have actual problems with all the time, subs like SRS and SRD. These rules could say anything, it doesn't matter because you're arbitrarily applying them to things you personally find the existence of annoying. Which might be fine when it's /r/coontown but when the rules really should be applied similarly elsewhere (/r/srs) and they're not that's a problem, and when the rules are being applied to places where they presumably shouldn't be (/r/neofag) there is a problem.

                      [–]tollie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      We banned them because we have to spend a disproportionate amount of time dealing with them

                      Then I think that's what you should say. That's the real answer. "We" understand that, and I believe the community will respect the candid honesty.

                      From my top-level comment that will never be seen:

                      I think you should be quick to Quarantine (and un-quarantine, when appropriate), slow to Ban.

                      that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse

                      That language seems really broad and I'm concerned that it leaves the process a bit too opaque.

                      Insert obligatory, "While I personally disagree with and find offensive," etc. etc.

                      I don't know exactly what the solution is, but for the good of reddit, "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it."

                      I feel like the community should be involved more (perhaps through email-registered, or IP limited voting?), and the process should be more open.

                      [–]Kmlevitt 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      Dude, just make a "no racism / hate speech" rule already. Unambiguous, easy to understand and 95% of us will support you on it.

                      [–]genericname1231 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Hate Speech is the foundation of SRS/SRD

                      It's so broad anyone saying anything like "You're an asshole" would get banned.

                      You're fucking stupid.

                      [–]lostinthestar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      We didn't ban them for being racist. We banned them because we have to spend a disproportionate amount of time dealing with them.

                      OK thank you. that's your first clear answer, and your honesty is appreciated. The notion that coontown was banned for annoying other redditors or making reddit worse for everyone was ludicrous - that sub had no effect on anything or anyone who didn't type in its url. it never appeared in r/all. you could be on reddit 24/7 and never encounter it in any way other than comments bitching about its existence.

                      Oh by the way: if coontown's mere existence leads to recruiting issues... KikeTown still good to go? No easily offended Jews applying? good for you.

                      [–]-Evilfurz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      he's a janitor

                      on the internet

                      on an SJW shithole website

                      he does it for free

                      he takes his "job" very seriously

                      he does it because it is the only amount of power & control he will ever have in his pathetic life

                      he deletes subreddits he doesn't like because whenever he gets upset he has an asthma attack

                      he deletes subreddits he doesn't like because entitled SJWs message him constantly

                      he will never have a real job

                      he will never move out of his parent's house

                      he will never be at a healthy weight

                      he will never know how to cook anything besides a hot pocket

                      he will never have a girlfriend

                      he will never have any friends

                      [–]jackals4 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Reddit: The Bastion of Free Speech, unless It's Inconvenient for Us.

                      [–]OTL_OTL_OTL 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      The reason you spend a disproportionate amount of time dealing with them is because subs like SRS/SRD encourage users to stalk and report anything they disagree with that can be found offensive via the safe space rules.

                      So what's happening is that you're letting a subset community on Reddit control and waste time of your staff. If you just outright banned these harassment subs, you would find the "disproportionate amount of time" spent on these banal reports magically reduced.

                      [–]antihexe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      We banned them because we have to spend a disproportionate amount of time dealing with them.

                      This sounds way worse than any of your previous reasons.

                      You just said you banned a subreddit because it was too much work. You're making the work yourself. When you start censoring things you have to start censoring all kinds of things. Not only that, but you begin to slowly make yourself liable for the content itself...

                      The better option is not to interfere. Funny how that would reduce your workload.

                      [–]bioemerl 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      If we want to improve Reddit, we need more people, but CT's existence and popularity has also made recruiting here more difficult.

                      The sort of people who avoid this site because "it has racist things!" are the sort of people who will take reddit by the throat and strangle it of all valuable content.

                      I'd rather a smaller reddit with better users than a filtered one that appeals to nothing but the lowest common denominator.

                      [–]Se7enLC 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Woah. I was with you until this point. The reason they got banned was because you had to spend TIME DEALING with them?

                      Time.

                      It's against the rule to occupy your time?

                      I mean, if the time was spent deleting posts, banning users, warning users, etc, you could make the case that they kept breaking rules, and it was the multiple chances that was what did it.

                      [–]frostbird 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      So you banned them because they were an inconvenience. That's not at ALL reflected in the content policy. All these shifts in the past few months have been absolutely scary. Certainly Reddit is no longer a bastion of free speech, and it looks like having an unpopular opinion is grounds enough to get banned now.

                      [–]Presidindu_Omongrel 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      That was an artifact of your own design. Coontown blew up because you tried so hard to suppress it.

                      I suspect it will not make your lives any easier just having banned a few subs. There were 21,000+ subscribers, those numbers don't just disappear into the ether because of a heavy handed moderation action.

                      [–]WhyAmINotStudying 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      We didn't ban them for being racist. We banned them because we have to spend a disproportionate amount of time dealing with them.

                      That actually seems worse to me. It's one thing to take a stand against racism and bigotry, but this basically seems like you're taking a stand against doing anything.

                      [–]Tanaghrison 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Bullshit. You spend a disproportionate amount of time dealing with other people whinging about them. They were segregated and no problem to anyone who wanted to be left alone. Unlike, say, SRS, who hounds users with different viewpoints and makes reddit worse for your customers. So fuck you spez.

                      [–]Monk_on_Fire 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      CT's existence and popularity has also made recruiting here more difficult.

                      I know I wouldn't come to work for you. At my current company I can't even access reddit at the office because of the shit you guys left to fester on here for years.

                      I hope you keep going in this direction.

                      [–]IraqnRoll 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      You're going to have to work on this. This is shit. You are essentially saying that it was bad for your image so it had to go. I think reddit should be bigger than that. Your policy should address this. It can't be based on whim. Yikes.

                      [–]rileyrulesu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      How much time did you spend "dealing with them"

                      Does "dealing with them" mean trying to explain to your advertisers why you have a community of racists, or was there frequently a problem of them going out and harassing people?

                      [–]CosbySpezDispenser 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      TIL u/Spez approves of /r/sexwithdogs. It's not banned, therefore it improves reddit and helps recruit more people. (Or dogs?)

                      What is your preferred breed of Dog, Spez? You seem like a poodle type of man.

                      [–]adam35711 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      We banned them because we have to spend a disproportionate amount of time dealing with them.

                      This is just a lie. You didn't need to spend a single employee second managing /r/pomf and yet I'm sure you spend TONS of employee time on /r/SRS

                      If someone representing Reddit as a whole can't answer for this, it's off to find a different place for discussion for me personally.

                      [–]Sacrix 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      If you want to improve reddit, apply the rules equally to all subreddits, and don't give preferential treatment to some (/r/shitredditsays) or ban some for bullshit reasons, like you did now.

                      [–]LifeInvader04 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      aka we want more of them shekels and coontown was not liked by the SJWs so we banned them. Fuck free speech, fuck "we ban harassment, not ideas" from two weeks ago. Man, you guys suck.

                      [–]Gnometard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      We didn't ban them for being racist. We banned them because we have to spend a disproportionate amount of time dealing with them.

                      Way to dodge the question.

                      [–]blufin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Essentially flood the admins with complaints about a sub and you'll get rid of it because it causes problems for them. They came for coontown first and I did nothing.....

                      [–]GamerGateFan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      If you can't recruit the person because of /r/coontown but they are fine with /r/kiketown , it really indicates what type of person you are trying to hire.

                      [–]Fang88 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      CT's existence and popularity has also made recruiting here more difficult.

                      So /r/kiketown doesn't make recruiting any more difficult?

                      [–]rileyrulesu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Holy shit you must have the cushiest job ever if you can just ban anyone that makes you do actual fucking work.

                      [–]ChickenOfDoom 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Wait, so you're saying you banned it because allowing it is an ideologically unpopular move in your industry?

                      [–]crackilackin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      so basically mob mentality rules, whoever bitches loud enough gets their way like little spoiled kids.

                      [–]moush 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Do you really want to hire someone who is upset that other people are expressing their opinions?

                      [–]ezrock 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      > We did ban them for being racist

                      Was that a typo?

                      Edit: Typo fixed.

                      [–]GameboyPATH 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      His post has been edited now to say "didn't", which suggests that it was a typo.

                      Confused me, too.

                      [–]echolog 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      That sounds an awful lot like "If they piss us off, we will ban them."

                      [–]peteroh9 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      But what do they do? You hardly answered /u/kopkas2000's question.

                      [–]Dusk_Walker 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      But srs, and amr are both completely fine?

                      The fuck dude.

                      [–]bluebehemoth 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      But shitredditsays who brigades your site is not banned?

                      [–]allthefoxes -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Just hire me I'm here all day anyways

                      [–]snorlz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      wtf? you banned them because they took up too much of your time? why not just ban all of reddit then? why not ban /r/announcements? that gets more comments and downvoting than any other sub

                      or if its related to your hiring policies why dont you stop making your site hate you by being inconsistent AF on all your rules. maybe you'll recruit better if people werent fired randomly or the site you run actually likes you

                      [–]Soodings -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      With all of what people are saying about taste, subjectivity and the like, I wanted to let you know I (and many other redditors, I'm sure) am very happy with this decision. Just because sometimes decisions like this put you in a grey area, doesn't mean you can't call something out when it's clear and take it off your website.

                      [–]Doppe1g4nger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Did you mean didn't there?

                      [–]SoLongAssholes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      https://archive.is/v8iYb

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