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[–]Warlizard 918ポイント919ポイント x5 (90子コメント)

Last week an SRS user went nearly four years into my history and posted this in /r/ShitRedditSays:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/3fkp3m/010212_petition_to_ban_rrapingwomen_sorry_cant/

Taken with zero context, and without considering this happened in the midst of Reddit banning a few subs and /u/violentacrez getting doxxed, SRS users decided that I was tolerant of rape, or beating women, that I was lazy, a shit-poster, pandering to my "audience", suggested SRS users go to Amazon to see what a piece of shit I was, that I thought "rape" was "freedom of speech", and that I was objectively wrong and thought "freedom of speech" was moderating a website.

They hadn't bothered to read the rest of my comments, where I said "If this were MY company and these subreddits were on MY board, I'd delete them in a heartbeat, because I find them personally offensive."

I was banned from SRS years ago (not for commenting, just because one of the mods thought I should be -- that's their prerogative) so I messaged the SRS admins and asked for a chance to respond, considering this post was #1 in SRS.

http://imgur.com/Z8EJh1c

As you can see, the only response was "ROFL".

/r/Fatpeoplehate was created to mock people based on a subjective perception.

/r/Coontown was created to mock people based on a subjective perception.

/r/Shitredditsays was created to mock people based on a subjective perception.

This is their stated purpose:

"Have you recently read an upvoted Reddit comment that was bigoted, creepy, misogynistic, transphobic, racist, homophobic, or just reeking of unexamined, toxic privilege? Of course you have! Post it here."

They exist to mock and harass Reddit users.

we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

Your words.

Please explain to me how holding other people up to ridicule without even allowing them to respond is good for reddit, encourages participation, and makes Reddit a safe place to express our opinions and ALSO differs from the subs you've banned.

EDIT: And this comment was already linked in SRS:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/3fx49i/meta_spezs_new_content_policy_unveiled_ctown_and/ctsvdrb?context=3

mfw /u/WarLizard[1] pulls the "WHAT ABOUT SRS" card after being linked here. He regularly contributes to /r/KotakuInAction[2] , not sure why he feels like he'd be welcome here at all. He's also complaining about the existence of SRS, so yeah right there he'd be banned. Oh no, a sexist/racist/homophobic/transphobic post was made and got linked here. WOULD ANYONE THINK OF THE RACIST'S FEELINGS?

This is a perfect example.

I have posted in KiA, and it has been fascinating to talk with the people there. Much like it has been fascinating to talk to the people in GamerGhazi.

But without context, someone might assume that because I've posted or commented there that I'm racist, misogynistic, transphobic, or maybe just an asshole. And suggesting that I think I'd be welcome in SRS, outside of responding to people talking about me there is ridiculous.

So with this extra data in mind, should I feel comfortable and safe posting in controversial subreddits? Or should I stay in the safe ones, stick my head in the sand, my fingers in my ears, and never discuss anything outside of cat pics?

[–]-Stupendous-Man- 48ポイント49ポイント  (4子コメント)

paging /u/archangellestrudelle

paging /u/archangellestrudelle

Would you care to respond to this?

I think we all know the answer.

[–]Yunjeong 93ポイント94ポイント  (22子コメント)

Have the admins ever explicitly addressed SRS?

[–]muhtriggurs 155ポイント156ポイント  (8子コメント)

They claim that they're "not as bad as they used to be".

The post above quite clearly shows they are violating the spirit of the rules, and should be treated the same as the ones /u/spez listed.

It won't be, of course, which makes them all fucking hypocrites.

Go fuck yourself spez. You're as phony as a three dollar bill.

[–]Rufus_T_Firefly_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They aren't nearly as bad as they used to be. A lot less brigading now. That said, if it was banned I sure as hell wouldn't miss them.

[–]RaindropBebop 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

/u/spez actually replied to a comment specifically about SRS here: https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3fx2au/content_policy_update/ctsqkfz

Uploaded an image of his comments, just in case: http://i.imgur.com/YcSMnjA.jpg

[–]Yunjeong 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

That raised more questions than it answered.

[–]Warlizard 19ポイント20ポイント  (9子コメント)

In this thread, /u/spez said they're looking for technological solutions to SRS.

[–]babeltoothe 67ポイント68ポイント  (4子コメント)

... but didn't explain why such technological solutions weren't applied to subreddits that broke the same incredibly vague rules.

[–]LostTheGameOfThrones 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, not that I'm defending any of the other subreddits that have been banned, but how come SRS seems to be an exception from all the others?

[–]EatSleepJeep 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because reddit's general counsel was recruited from NOW.

[–]nabilhuakbar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because SRS is their enforcer brigade that brings people in line with the message Reddit wants to push out now.

[–]moush 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because SRS and Reddit admins are all SJWs and it's not exactly getting the same bad press as a racist sub.

[–]finalremix 40ポイント41ポイント  (0子コメント)

technological solutions to SRS.

i.e., "we're not gonna do shit, because what am banning?"

[–]funkeepickle 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

"It's okay that SRS breaks the rules now because we're working on a way that might make it harder for them to break rules in the future."

lol wut

[–]WiWiWiWiWiWi 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uh, ban the damn thing, just like all the other subs the admins have accused of brigading in the past? Shadowban the mods, just like they have all the other mods in the past that the admins accused of tolerating hostile behavior?

It would seem the technological solutions already exist.

[–]abolish_karma 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The banhammer is already invented, like.. 20 years ago?

[–]BlackBlarneyStone 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

not that i ever saw.

[–]missmymom 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

You've said it so much better then I did when I tried here

I hope you get a response, I haven't yet, but perhaps you will with a little more personal experience.

[–]Warlizard 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thanks. I'm just curious as to the rationale.

[–]missmymom 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are the Warlizard after all :) If anyone can get an answer I'm hopeful you won't be ignored.

[–]AdvocateForLucifer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did you receive any direct harassment, through PMs or otherwise? I think the rationale is that as long as it's staying on the subreddit, it's tolerable. When it starts to leak into the community (as with coontown and fph), that's when it's a problem that needs addressing.

[–]WrongLetters 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

I bet you the entire warlizard gaming forum there are admins that are SRSers using alternative accounts.

[–]Warlizard 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

ಠ_ಠ

[–]mherdeg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What is that emoticon? Is it popcorn? It looks delicious

[–]Kornstalx 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

How the.... what the hell? How did you notice this without a proper /u/ tag? Is there some keyword driven bot action going on here, or do you really just read everything on reddit?

[–]Warlizard 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was actually responding to my comment.

[–]LsDmT 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

yea.... good luck getting a response

[–]WiWiWiWiWiWi 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

*crickets...*

Just like every other time that a clear example of the admins hypocrisy regarding SRS is proven.

[–]muhtriggurs 24ポイント25ポイント  (4子コメント)

The response from the SRS Admins is typical: they know they won't be touched.

Reddit's days are numbered. This is inevitable.

[–]Benthetraveler 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Reddit's days are numbered. This is inevitable.

How many more years can people claim this unironically? I remember how people were saying this in 2010.

[–]WrongLetters 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The defaults were barely over a (couple) million users at that point. Now they're what, 6+m for subs that weren't in the early wave of defaults? /r/pics is 9+m. That's a boatload of growth.

The larger the growth, the larger that lowest common denominator is. The larger that gets, the closer Reddit gets to pretty much having the same quality userbase as the commenters on Yahoo. Which is already the case in many defaults and is bleeding into the rest.

I guess what I'm saying is, Reddit is over and has been over for a while.

[–]Ryder_GSF4L 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I also find it hilarious that the banning of a racist subreddit is the catalyst for that statement.

[–]Benthetraveler -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't even think that he even believes that. It's just that the SRC crowd & racists will be in full force here, jerking each other off how THIS TIME it will be totally different.

[–]Tokoya11 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well spoken, /u/Warlizard. Thank you for providing a great example with screenshots as well.

[–]Blittzzo 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hey your the guy from the forums! Cmon man give me them eyes.

[–]Warlizard 33ポイント34ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sigh...

ಠ_ಠ

[–]Blittzzo 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aww yeah thanks man

[–]yggdrasils_roots 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Real question - does this ever get annoying? I mean, I can imagine it does. Also, weren't you working on a book or something like that? How's that going if I'm not misremembering things?

[–]ldpreload 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

You should actually create a Warlizard Gaming Forums with better moderation (and no equivocation, just delete those things in a heartbeat like you say you'd want to). People would join because it'd be a better place with better leadership, and also lulz.

[–]Warlizard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think they'd find I'm much less tolerant than Reddit.

"Have fun and don't be a dick" is my motto. I'd hold everyone to that standard.

[–]CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey aren't you that guy from the transphobic racist forums?

(sorry. this is a very good example of the harassment that happens in that sub. Going 4 years into your post history and taking your words out of context is terrible. What you haven't also mentioned is that your real life identity is tied to your reddit account. You have books on Amazon. This is attacking your real life identity. Fatpeoplehate got banned because they had pictures of imgur staff on their sidebar, which is not too different to SRS's harassment. SRS attacked you specifically as you are reddit famous and have a real identity connected to it in real life)

[–]FourthLife 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You posted a well thought out post with very good points. Enjoy your no response. Maybe the warlizard gaming forums can take this shithole website's place.

[–]ConnorBurnsRed 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/spez COME THE FUCK ON EVERYTIME THERE IS A POST ABOUT SRS YOU JUST IGNORE IT! COME ON

[–]AutismHour 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's fucking hilarious. The dedication alone is commendable in its own right.

[–]Internetologist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I saw the post, and you came off as really ignorant. The reason it was brought up is because the large discussion about banning subs is strikingly relevant more recently. It's really highlighting the aspect of reddit's culture regarding free speech as vital at all costs despite being a private network that sometimes seeks to marginalize others. SRS definitely goes too far for me sometimes, but it's one of the few communities that actively tries to make sure that someone here agrees with you for having views that don't conform to the white male reddit audience.

[–]comrade-jim 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

SRS abuses white people and reddit doesn't seem to think white people are equal or really matter much at all.

[–]pompousrompus 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good luck getting an answer!

[–]flesjewater 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/spez pls respond

[–]gilbes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit relies on the free labor of mods. Mods chose to be compensated by pathetically getting an inflated ego from the petty tyranny they impose.

SRS is petty tyranny in action. Petty tyranny fuels the mods. Banning SRS would upset the mods and reddit might have to pay people to moderate its own site.

SRS will not be banned because it is cheaper to placate the saddest 1% of reddit than to actually manage the entire site.

[–]DukeOfGeek 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

One of the things I loved about reddit was that it was a forum that tolerated people, communities and ideas that I loathed. Now it will soon be sanitized into Facebook with anonymity.....for now. So it goes. And ya if filth like /r/coontown needs to go then so does SRS or anything else that might stop soccer moms from using/monetizing reddit.

[–]armrha -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think discussing someone's posts falls under harassment, dude -- nothing even on the scale to what coontown was doing.

[–]bluebehemoth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Listen to him /u/spez, he's the guy from the warlizard gaming forums!

[–]Haoleopteryx -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

lmao, one user did something therefore ban my flavourite boogeyman

[–]SonderEber -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

How the fuck can you even remotely hold fucking SRS on the same level as coontown. That a subreddit designed to mock idiots who say stupid and shitty things is even nearly as bad as a subreddit made to attack a race of people? Why the fuck is there this hard-on for fucking SRS? Is it because they dredge up shit people don't want known? I don't even care a damn about it, but I just find it perplexing people seem to think it's as vile as FPH or Coontown, especially the later.

[–]Stereotype_Threat 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

We have facts. SRS is just a shitty place where nothing useful gets done. It's just white knighting for all of the degenerates of the world, ie transfags faggots and other low life scum.

[–]SonderEber -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wow, you sound like a pretty shitty person yourself. Maybe that's why you don't like SRS.

[–]Stereotype_Threat 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What? That place is a cess pit that depends any and all degenerate things. You're crazy if you think otherwise.

[–]SonderEber -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Transfags faggots" to me sounds like you're the shitty one. Transphobia is worse than anything SRS has done, I'm pretty certain. Up there with racism and homophobia and other negative "subjective perceptions".

[–]Warlizard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And I'd love for /u/spez to formally clarify the difference.

[–]abhikavi -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

The difference between the first two subreddits and SRS is that SRS is mocking what people have written, versus who they are or how they look. Writing out your thoughts on a website is a behavior. It's completely reasonable to judge people by their behavior.

When the fucking hell did it become controversial to mock people who are being racist/homophobic/sexist? Isn't that exactly the kind of crap that's fair game to call out?

[–]Warlizard 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Without giving them a chance to respond?

[–]abhikavi -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure. Doesn't the media do that all the time? Look at Donald Trump's fiascos with war heroes and Mexicans. You can be like 'hey, it's shitty that he said that' without needing to offer him an interview.

[–]Hindu_Wardrobe 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Aren't you that guy from WarLizard gaming forums?

[–]ZeroQQ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should come to voat.

[–]armrha -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

SRS was created to highlight reddit's love of hate. If anything, this vindicates their position from the start. I'm happy about it : )

Anyway, it'll never be banned.

[–]SOCIAL_JUSTICE_MAGE -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

WHAT ABOUT SRS!!!!!!!!!! Go post on your snapchat some more you immature grown-ass man.

[–]Warlizard 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It would have been funnier if you'd called me an immature grown ass-man.

[–]Bigkeithmack -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

racist fuck off