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[–]spez[S,A] 1832ポイント1833ポイント x6 (1892子コメント)

Today we removed communities dedicated to animated CP and a handful of other communities that violate the spirit of the policy by making Reddit worse for everyone else: /r/CoonTown, /r/WatchNiggersDie, /r/bestofcoontown, /r/koontown, /r/CoonTownMods, /r/CoonTownMeta.

[–]Delphizer 622ポイント623ポイント  (96子コメント)

This doesn't look like a comprehensive list, and even if you constantly updated it here, it seems there should be some place that lists what subreddits have been banned and quarantined and what rules they broke. Transparency and all that.

EDIT 1 : As this picked up steam really fast, my "I totally know what I'm doing and know more than the CEO" off cuff suggestion is to output the database you use for the bans somewhere, this should be an auto updating real time list of bans, it's my understanding from minutes of web coding experience this should be fairly straightforward. :P

Maybe not top priority but I've seen a few call outs for something like that in many comments in many posts and it's largely been ignored. I'm assuming as it's been ignored the agreement is such a place won't exist. A comment one way or another would be appreciated.

[–]spez[S,A] 146ポイント147ポイント  (83子コメント)

When something gets banned the mods often attempt to recreate the same communities, which we try and stay on top of, so it's an ongoing process today.

[–]mcgillycuddy412 69ポイント70ポイント  (29子コメント)

How are they still allowed to be mods if they keep violating the rules? I feel like being a mod is something that you can take away from a user. Besides, they'll probably just create a new username anyways.

[–]BridgeBum 41ポイント42ポイント  (6子コメント)

If you create a new subreddit, you are automatically a mod of that subreddit.

[–]JohhnyDamage 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

Once you get three of your communities banned, or one if it is a horribly offensive subreddit, maybe your account should lose those privileges or have them suspended for awhile.

[–]bendvis 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

And you can hand mod privileges to the previous mods of the freshly banned subreddit.

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    [–]philipwhiuk 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hence why we need a Reddit feature for this.

    Transparency is part of your ethos etc etc.

    [–]Seattle_man_123 20ポイント21ポイント  (16子コメント)

    i.e FPH.

    I heard an analogy a day or two ago:

    Reddit is like a hotel, there are plenty of good people, but there are also some bad ones. They can live together, except that there are some people who throw parties every night and wreck the hallways and occasionally running into other guests' rooms, keeping everyone else up at night.

    This can be fixed by telling them to behave, then kicking them out if they don't. Sure, they'll throw a tantrum before they leave, but they'll leave.

    [–]Alacritous 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think of it more like a city. You've got the good parts where normal people live, you've got the bad side of the tracks, you've got the parts where tourists like to go, and you've got the seedier parts where people tell you not to go into or bad things will happen. If you don't want to see certain parts of the city, then you just don't go there. And unless you see it on the news, you don't even know it's there.

    [–]AntonioOfVenice 6ポイント7ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Reddit is like a hotel, there are plenty of good people, but there are also some bad ones. They can live together, except that there are some people who throw parties every night and wreck the hallways and occasionally running into other guests' rooms, keeping everyone else up at night.

    That's exactly what SRS does, and yet it's untouchable, because the admins sympathize with its ideology.

    [–]francis_sandow 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Last hotel I stayed at had a HAES convention clomping around in the room above mine. Definitely made me want to leave!

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      [–]Bartweiss 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Please don't listen to the loudest and dumbest voices responding to this.

      Users from the banned subs were already entering and actively attempting to manipulate other subs, so it's absurd to say that this decision will "send" them into new subs. These subs were places for bigots to collaborate, plan, and reinforce their beliefs. Removing them doesn't censor the users, it just interferes with outright brigading.

      More obviously, the number of problem users will not "double out of spite" - banning violent, racist subs does not turn people into racists.

      The decisions surrounding this policy have felt clumsy and inadequate, most of all the pattern of warning a few offensive subs and not others. Despite that, these choices are clear progress.

      Please don't hesitate or turn back because of a few people's dire and unrealistic predictions.

      [–]Stucifer2 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

      Well you brought that not only on yourselves, but on mods of other communities too. These users do not go away because you banned their clubhouse. They sent up in others subs. And the number of people that join them will double out of spite.

      This policy is not only idiotic and shortsighted, it also makes more work for people. The quarantine idea, which you said was what was going to happen was a better idea. You Admins seem to go out of your way to fuck up.

      Look at if from a users point of view and see how bad this makes you guys look that you constantly bullshit the users and refuse to apply these rules evenly. We get more BS about subs like /r/ShitRedditSays and /r/SubredditDrama.

      Even the reason given as to why these subs were banned is bullshit. It is like you think all reddit users are stupid. It has nothing to do with "annoying averages users" (because SRS and SRD would be gone if that was the case), it is about sanitizing the place to please investors. If you were at least honest about that, maybe it would not make you all look so bad.

      [–]alcalde 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Even the reason given as to why these subs were banned is bullshit.

      These subreddits are racist crap. Get over it. Forget investors - it's basic human decency that requires their banning. I salute Reddit for finally beginning to take out the trash!

      [–]Dlgredael 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      No, you're over-reacting. Banning these communities is not going to magnify them 10x over. They will still exist on reddit, but will be dispersed and less effective.

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        [–]TRVDante 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

        So to be clear- a carbon copy of /r/CoonTown will be banned on site, but general anti-black subreddits will be allowed and instead quarantined if there's no evidence to suggest being complicit in harassment?

        [–]AntonioOfVenice 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You do more than that. When /r/neoFAG was banned, you even banned communities that had existed for months before the banning of neoFAG, like /r/neogafInAction.

        It almost seems like you have some sort of agenda.

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          [–]sauceDinho 41ポイント42ポイント  (8子コメント)

          It would be nice if they did something of that nature but maybe it's a bit much to ask and mostly unnecessary. I'm okay with him saying they banned r/WatchNiggersDie without much of an explanation but I do see where you're coming from.

          [–]Delphizer 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I mean, they have a database of banned subreddits(They'd have to for the code to ban them in the first place), outputting the database wouldn't take much effort.

          Also if you are going to make people "opt in" to a quarantined sub individually...that seems like a real hassle to find if they are effectively blocked in the first place. Is there really that big of an issue for a blanket "opt in" to all quarantined subs?

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              [–]Number357 1139ポイント1140ポイント x3 (379子コメント)

              EDIT #2: Side note, it would be nice if for once reddit could just be honest. If you want to ban /r/coontown for being extremely racist, then just come out and say so. You didn't ban them because they exist solely to annoy other redditors, enough of this "we're banning behavior not content" nonsense. You're banning content. The content may be shit and you may or may not be justified in banning, but at least be up front about what you're doing.

              ...

              but not /r/shitredditsays? Not /r/AgainstMensRights? Hateful, bigoted communities that actually do invade other subs? Apparently only certain types of bigotry and brigading aren't tolerated here. I wouldn't have much problem with seeing /r/coontown go if your hate speech policy were actually fairly enacted, but this picking and choosing is the reason why many people were opposed to the hate speech policy to begin with. A former admin runs SRS and a former CEO mods a sub that endorses AMR, so can't say I'm surprised that reddit staff don't have any problem with those communities.

              EDIT: Since this is gaining traction, I'd like to say this about hate speech: Hate speech is by its nature subjective, which is why banning it is generally a bad idea. Here is a 2.5 hour speech by Warren Farrell. In it, he talks about things like boys falling behind in education or the fact that males are far more likely to commit suicide than women. There is nothing hateful in that speech, yet the campus feminist group protested his speech in the weeks leading up to it. They tried to get it cancelled and ripped down the flyers for it, and finally staged this protest to physically prevent anybody from entering. Because to many college feminists, simply acknowledging men's issues is "hate speech." Simply talking about the fact that boys are 30% more likely to drop out of school is hate speech. Simply mentioning that men are 4x more likely to commit suicide is hate speech. Please watch both the video and the protest, and keep in mind that the people calling for hate speech to be banned are the people who wanted Warren Farrell's speech banned for being "hate speech." Similar protests involving pulling fire alarms to shut down talks about male victims of domestic violence have also happened.

              The problem with banning hate speech is that not everybody agrees on what hate speech is, and a lot of people consider legitimate discussions of men's issues to be "hate speech" that should be banned. Which is why a lot of us object to bans on hate speech.

              [–]chicagofirefifa3 85ポイント86ポイント  (23子コメント)

              Apparently only certain types of bigotry

              yes, super-racist shit is considered generally beyond the realms of civilized discourse. Now some people want to extend those bans to other places and others will naturally object but this isn't that move. The mensrights version of against mensrights isn't getting banned

              [–]meatpuppet79 90ポイント91ポイント  (15子コメント)

              "we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors". How ever you would like to dress up SRS, no matter how heroic or justified you think they are, a site like this will live or die by the even handedness of the application of its myriad little bylaws and rules and bureaucracy. The absence of that was what caused reddit such grief in the past. All things being equal, SRS should go.

              [–]chicagofirefifa3 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

              All things being equal, SRS should go.

              no /u/spez is being dishonest because lots of reddit is uncomfortable with banning speech you dislike/hate (though this sort of racism doesn't necessarily trigger the slippery slope people fear, sometimes with reason)

              He can't come out and simply say "guys coontown is uber racist/uberevil we've wanted to ban it for a long time but haven't found a good reason for banning it so we're just going for it and this is a neutralish sounding explination so it doesn't seem like we are targeting them for holding and evil ideology even though we are".

              SRS isn't getting banned because this isn't going after trolling/annoying sites.

              [–]Fish-With-Sharks 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

              isn't SRS just a bunch of people trolling? No one can really be dumb enough to believe what is posted there.

              [–]Redrum714 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I think its a mixture of trolls and mentally ill people.

              [–]OneOfDozens 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              It was trolls only, then enough stupid people took it seriously and joined in, now there's no way to tell who is who

              [–]habs76 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

              SRS says on the side it's a big circlejerk. Yes people there dislike racism/sexism/regressive ideas etc... but no one thinks they're going to change anything. Besides it's a meta sub, it doesn't exist to create hate, it exists to make fun of redditors. No one on there says we should kill redditors, they say redditors are dumb and not a particularly welcoming bunch to minorities. And I mean hey, if that's as bad as coontown was, that says something about who the posters on reddit are.

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                  [–]drogean3 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                  did you miss this part? thats SRS in a nutshell

                  [–]JilaX 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Now some people want to extend those bans to other places and others will naturally object but this isn't that move.

                  No, of course not. That's the second move.

                  The mensrights version of against mensrights isn't getting banned

                  There really isn't one.

                  [–]dogGirl666 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  /r/againstmensrights is not actually against men's rights. If you read their sidebar you'd understand. It is against the pseudo men's rights people that do not help men or anyone at all. Read the reddit MRA site it is full of hate for women, not, "let's organize and fight for more fair outcomes in divorce"[like my brother desperately needs].

                  [–]Will_Im_Not 146ポイント147ポイント  (65子コメント)

                  Haha I love how you mention /r/shitredditsays but not /r/SRSsucks. Because "harassing" a community is only bad when it goes in a certain direction.

                  [–]torma616[🍰] 83ポイント84ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  Yes, SRSSucks should also be banned, but quite simply, banning SRS nullifies the need for SRSSucks. If banning one of them would kill them both while banning the other would only kill the other, it makes more sense to go after the first.

                  [–]Number357 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  SRSsucks would voluntarily delete their sub if SRS was banned.

                  [–]rrrx 100ポイント101ポイント  (26子コメント)

                  Nor does he mention /r/TheRedPill, which has also neither been banned nor quarantined.

                  How curious, that.

                  [–]Number357 36ポイント37ポイント  (10子コメント)

                  TRP doesn't brigade though, they're forgettable.

                  [–]Will_Im_Not 34ポイント35ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  Eh, at least TRP stays in their sad corner of this website. They're pathetic but not really concerned about anything else that's going on.

                  [–]koncept61 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  trp is an echo chamber. They don't brigade and they dont harass. Maybe individual members do but the subreddit exists to simply propagate their belief. And their belief isn't all that bad it's just a few of them who take it too far and that's what reddit sees.

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                    [–]TheThng 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I'm pretty sure I can speak for many SRSSucks members, as many have mentioned in the past, that we would gladly have SRSSucks not exist if SRS did not exist.

                    [–]drew46n2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    For all the bellyaching the teenage neckbeards of Reddit do over "SJWs" being offended and triggered, they sure seem to be perpetually offended and triggered.

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                      [–]James_Knox_Polk 64ポイント65ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      Could you provide some evidence to support your assertion that those are even remotely comparable to /r/coontown?

                      [–]verystinkyfingers 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Im not the guy you asked, but had you asked me id say that none of them have any impact on any of our lives, unless you are a subscriber.

                      Barring the brigaders, they are all firmly in the 'who gives a shit if they exist' category.

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                        [–]Colonel_Blimp 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Haha wow you think either of those are as bad as coontown? I know people from both and none of them have an problem with men or anything in the way people like you think. Coontown is dedicated to despising black people full stop.

                        EDIT - Love the bullshit postscript using Warren Farrell as a glorious example of free speech. This is nothing to do with free speech.

                        [–]Compliant_Automaton 196ポイント197ポイント x3 (106子コメント)

                        Calling SRS hate speech always reminds me of a neo-nazi complaining about the Southern Poverty Law Center. Someone calling out a hateful group for their bullshit is not the same thing as being hateful themselves.

                        [–]Number357 73ポイント74ポイント  (40子コメント)

                        One of the top posts in there now is mocking somebody for saying "men are the disposable gender." They mock the idea of male disposability. Our society views men's lives as less valuable than women's, our society expects men to sacrifice their lives for others, our society does not care when men die. Homicides with a male victim are punished less severely than homicides with a female victims, and this is true even after accounting for any other factors. When male fictional characters die it is seen as less tragic than when female fictional characters die. Men make up 93% of workplace deaths, 77% of homicides, 80% of suicides, and 97% of the people killed by police. And SRS is against anybody acknowledging or talking about any of that. And that's just one post, not even getting into their other posts defending a woman's right to falsely accuse men of rape or attacking people who think that male victims of DV shouldn't be ignored, or defending even the most extreme corners of feminism against any form of criticism.

                        [–]JamesMean 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Yeah, it's not hate speech and it's absurd to say it is. However, it does fit within "a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors". I mean, really, why does it exist? And this of course includes communities in the opposite end of the spectrum and you could almost make a case for TiA (though that exists to annoy tumblr users, so it might just be safe).

                        Basically, the policy is obviously inconsistent and hence worse than useless.

                        [–]SobStoryBob 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Your use of hyperbole is astounding. Would the Southern Poverty Law Center behave like this?

                        https://www.reddit.com/r/SRSsucks/comments/3fc9qg/update_im_the_girl_who_received_rape_threats/

                        [–]fabis 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        The problem is, to SRS everyone who disagrees with them is a "neo-nazi".

                        [–]Meoang 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        It's basically an echo-chamber for people to share how much they hate various things. No one is ever constructive or positive, they just use it as a place to vent about things that piss them off. I kind of get that they want to have their own place where no one will judge them for being hateful about certain things, but saying that it's not about hate is disingenuous. If they kept to themselves, though, no one would care, but apparently that's too much to ask.

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                          [–]punecityexpat 160ポイント161ポイント  (13子コメント)

                          comparing SRS to coontown?

                          jesus christ mate, you need to go out more.

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                            [–]AMarmot 86ポイント87ポイント  (5子コメント)

                            communities that violate the spirit of the policy

                            You wrote an update to your written policy on user code of conduct, and you banned communities based on violating the spirit of said policy?

                            Why didn't you just ban racism and racist communities explicitly? Also, why did you wait until you had new tools, explicitly designed to deal with the situation of "undesirable" communities, and then ban them anyway? Were you waiting to see if you could bait them into behaviour that explicitly violated other elements your policy before banning them on these grounds? 'Cuz that's what it looks like.

                            [–]Baba_OReilly 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            CoonTown mod here. We worked our butts off to adhere to spez's rules. There was never a call to brigade or harass anybody.

                            Reddit is doomed. They have zero integrity.

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                              [–]AirPhforce 427ポイント428ポイント  (153子コメント)

                              I'm actually shocked you did it.

                              I was thinking for-sure they would just become an ad-free subreddit dedicated to hate hidden behind an 'opt-in' wall.

                              Edit; /r/Kiketown is still there. No ads for them, as they have been whitelisted by reddit staff for ad-free status, less trolls because you have to be email verified, and no spam bots because you have to opt in. You actually made life better for them. Guess I'm not shocked at all.

                              /r/kiketown got the reddit seal of approval! We did it reddit.

                              Other "Acceptable subreddits according to /u/spez":

                              [–]jordguitar 70ポイント71ポイント  (8子コメント)

                              They are not going to go through every subreddit and figure it out. I never even heard of any of these. The only way to let the admin team know about issues that are breaking the new content policy is to pm them or use whatever acceptable form of communication to notify them about it.

                              It is going to take time to start applying bans or quarantines to subreddits they never heard of until today.

                              [–]tremulo 36ポイント37ポイント  (5子コメント)

                              I don't understand this list. Just spot checking, some of these subs - /r/gifx, /r/codingx, etc - have no posts, and some - /r/NiggerSafariQuarantined, /r/KikeTownQuarantined, etc - actually don't exist.

                              Edit: he edited the list down. Originally it was much larger and my comment made sense.

                              [–]tineyeit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              The ones that say Quarantined on the end I think have it by mistake. If you take away that part, it takes you to a real subreddit.

                              /r/gifx and /r/codingx are both created by a user "Jewish_NeoCon2" who appears to be (shadow?)banned, which is probably how it ended up on this list. He's also the creator of all of the SubRedditx subreddits on this list. In general, a lot of the subreddit creators on this list have names which associate them with racist/anti-semitic ideologies even if the subreddits they are moderating are entirely mundane.

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                                [–]pteridoid 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Also at a glance I have no idea what's questionable about half of those. A lot of them don't even exist. Where did Fang88 get this list? WTF is it?

                                [–]SDSSJ102915172927 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                antipozi is pretty bad, always xposting and brigading from LGBt subs every day. Last time I mentioned it on a page like this they x-posted my comment and I got PM's telling me to kill myself etc. I have to use this account to even make comments about them because my main one has LGBT subreddits I mod, and I don't want them stalking my subs as well. I dislike the idea of teenagers seeing the x-post bot and following it back to read their vile attacks, get PMs etc; no way I am exposing my users to that romper room fuckery, no sir!

                                [–]send-me-to-hell 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                A lot of these communities have like 7 or eight subscribers total. Several of them actually only have a single subscriber (presumably the person who created it). For example /r/LennonLacy has one subscriber and hasn't been updated in close to a year when it had its only three posts.

                                You really went out of your way to even find these. These were the subreddits spez was supposed to know about already?

                                [–]Catjaz63 29ポイント30ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                What're with those x subreddits?

                                [–]pteridoid 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                I looked at a couple just now. I can't tell what they're about as distinct from the non-X versions nor why they're being mentioned here as somehow questionable.

                                [–]enoughofthisalready 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Jewish Neocon (one of the Chimpires main movers and shakers) was at some point creating reams of these subs to try and set up a White Power 'shadowreddit.' A couple of them were for a while kept on lifesupport (/r/worldnewsx springs to mind.) None of them caught on very well though. That dude made a lot of subreddits.

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                                  [–]VillaThrowaway 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Yeah really, that looks weird as fuck. Don't want to follow the Link to find out though...

                                  Edit: my autocorrect seems to only know the capitalized version of "Link". No regrets.

                                  [–]Rocky87109 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Went to /r/gamingx. Maybe I am stupid or something but the content being posted wasn't offensive. However I have a feeling the OP who is posting these subreddits is targeting a certain person. A lot of the moderators of /r/gamingx had racist and anti-semitic usernames. Specifically a username called 'jewish_neocon2' shows up on a shit ton of those subs as a moderator.

                                  EDIT: I just want to say, I didn't mean all of it was not offensive, just the stuff I saw and clicked on.

                                  [–]EightRoundsRapid 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  They were made by someone called u/Jewish_Neocon as "free speech" or "all the hate you can take" alternatives to the subs they're named after. Kind of an alternative reddit for bigots.

                                  [–]-Mountain-King- 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Yeah, they seem to be empty.

                                  [–]msiekkinen 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                  How do you even come across all of these to even know they exist?

                                  [–]Simon_x 66ポイント67ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  So if you can't fix everything, don't do anything? Solid plan /u/AirPhforce!

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                                    [–]StraightTalkExpress 21ポイント22ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                    Interesting that the "quarantined" ones require a verified email. Seems almost like the admins want to strip away your anonymity in order to be allowed to read or post things that they don't approve of.

                                    First they came for the racists, but I wasn't a racist shitbag, so I said nothing, etc. etc.

                                    [–]medkint 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    I never got that "first they came for the x" thing in this context. It's a website, you can just go somewhere else, there is no way for them to get you.

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                                        [–]jabberwockxeno 153ポイント154ポイント  (74子コメント)

                                        animated CP

                                        What does this mean, exactly? As in, like, drawings? That seems silly to me (Think of the fictional children!)

                                        EDIT: Yes, that's what it was. I can understand that you guys don't want that content here (if I was running a site, I wouldn't either) but it does fall under you banning stuff you simply disagree with, which goes against what you said before.

                                        [–]Meowsticgoesnya 32ポイント33ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                        Yep, looks like /r/lolicons (/r/lolicon was banned earlier) and /r/pomf have been banned now.

                                        [–]Olive_Jane 43ポイント44ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                        /r/lolicon has been banned for a few years, the recent takedown was /r/lolicons, /r/pomf, /r/lolishota, and probably others.

                                        Intersting to see /r/lolicons go down because I recall reading that it was that subs policy not to allow depictions of rape, molestation, gore, or anything non-consensual. (keep in mind - its all fiction either way, and you wont see /r/erotica being taken down for stories of the underage or rape)

                                        [–]diredyre 40ポイント41ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                        you wont see /r/erotica being taken down for stories of the underage

                                        That would seem like the logical next step to me, there isn't really much of a difference between describing a picture and painting it.

                                        [–]Olive_Jane 44ポイント45ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                        Thats a really good point. Fiction is fiction, and banning it in any way, shape, or form, is backwards and not the sign of a progressive, free, society. Its censorship and it disgusts me seeing this going on reddit.

                                        [–]Meowsticgoesnya 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        Yeah thanks for that.

                                        And /r/lolicons from what I remember was like 99% clothed images anyway, nudity was for /r/pomf.

                                        [–]Olive_Jane 32ポイント33ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        The main mod at /r/lolicons recently did an AMA type thread on 8chan, where he spoke about and defended his position about not allowing this stuff.

                                        It was essentially an ecchi subreddit. Calling it "animated CP" is totally wrong and crap IMO.

                                        [–]onewafighter 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        They even had a collective charity donation drive going around.

                                        I don't see how they "made reddit worse" by any means to the point of being on the same level as Coontown.

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                                          [–]DrSmoke 30ポイント31ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                          Probably means "loli porn" which is a stupid thing to ban.

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                                            [–]ANharper 66ポイント67ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                            The problem with this policy is that it's not objectively enforceable. Anything can be interpreted to be for "solely annoying other redditors". CoonTown is/was a horrible subreddit, but this was the DNA that made this site famous -- the promise that it was a completely open platform without censorship.

                                            If you replace the platform born of the promise of freedom, with one that openly espouses banning "undesirable" (by whom??) subreddits, you are turning this site into its own antithesis, an omnipotently curated, handed-from-on-high, top-down nanny state. ANYTHING can be interpreted as annoying or insensitive, if one's pressure group is strong and loud enough. Reddit was once a safe-haven free from pressure groups. Anyone's voice could be heard, because the admins were not the moral police, but just the nerdy tech support. Now you've made admins the moral police, and reddit a nanny state.

                                            [–]honestbleeps 14ポイント15ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                            this was the DNA that made this site famous

                                            no, it's not.

                                            most people come here to slack off at work or to read interesting and thought provoking stuff.

                                            the people who come here for the "freedom to post hate speech" are small in number but great in activity level.

                                            Anyone's voice could be heard, because the admins were not the moral police, but just the nerdy tech support. Now you've made admins the moral police, and reddit a nanny state.

                                            Welcome to site growth ... back when everything was all freedom and bald eagles screeching in glory, there weren't nearly as many people on here, and the objectionable / crazy / hate subs weren't being picked up on by anyone because they were self contained.

                                            Now they're not, and reddit is a business, not some sort of free-speech-at-all-costs social movement. If you don't like it, feel free to go to voat... where they... oh.. wait.. they also removed subs like a jailbait one, etc...

                                            so basically: if you want 100% free unabated speech, get your own blog or forum software and have at it.

                                            I'm just here to read up on my favorite topics of interest - none of which involve hating or harassing anyone.

                                            [–]aintgotany 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            this was the DNA that made this site famous -- the promise that it was a completely open platform without censorship.

                                            The platform is what made Reddit famous. The lack of censorship is not necessarily a selling point. Personally if the site loses members who are looking to be racist pieces of shit, good riddance.

                                            Also, to anyone saying this will cause those subs to "leak", it's not like those redditors weren't also subscribed to the defaults and other subs, weaving their bullshit into many threads. This just makes it more difficult for them to organize on this site.

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                                              [–]Cheech5 195ポイント196ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                              Thank you for the response, it's greatly appreciated. I wasn't concerned with any one particular subreddit, but the overall goal of transparency being upheld.

                                              [–]BizarroBizarro 141ポイント142ポイント  (71子コメント)

                                              /r/CoonTown is going to be leaking all over the place in the coming days. Should be interesting.

                                              [–]Jinno 65ポイント66ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                              Or they can just go to http://www.voat.co/v/coontown and get all the hate they want.

                                              [–]priets33 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              The fat people hate went over there too. It is just like Reddit you can turn subs off you do not like. If they want to get the high dollar advertising's dollars pimping out there ama's and other popular subs that would scare off there corporate owners has got to go. Voat is still small and under constant ddos attacks still, when it is up I see lots of new fun content there.

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                                                [–]Keldon888 64ポイント65ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                Lets be real, unless the majority of reddits first thought upon hearing coontown died was "SRS IS THE SAME THING! MAYBE WORSE!" they are already leaking everywhere.

                                                [–]Tantric989 24ポイント25ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                It already has been. I haven't been able to really go into the comments section of any of the defaults without it being some kind of racist shitstorm.

                                                [–]AdrianBrony 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                yeah but just like when FPH went down, they will stop before the week is over. It's not like they wEREN'T leaking all over the place already.

                                                [–]chattahattan 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                It's been leaking all over the place before this. More likely it will go the way of FPH and raise hell for a day or two before losing steam and mostly going away. Banning it was absolutely the right decision.

                                                [–]ruptured_pomposity 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                ...as a duel citizen, I noticed a big up tick of anti-black posts today over on voat. I think I know where they went.

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                                                  [–]Fryes 181ポイント182ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                  /r/rapingwomen also banned.

                                                  Edit: Apparently it was banned prior to today.

                                                  [–]DrFilbert 99ポイント100ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                  It was banned in the last round, along with /r/gasthekikes and probably a few others.

                                                  [–]Fryes 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  Oh, I didn't realize we had a previous round.

                                                  [–]DrFilbert 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Yeah, it wasn't announced and came like a week after the AMA.

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                                                        [–]Olive_Jane 53ポイント54ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                        Animated CP

                                                        This is absolutely the wrong term for stuff like drawings or stories about the underage. You're calling drawings, writings, art, etc, child porn wrongly.

                                                        Child Pornography

                                                        Child pornography is a form of child sexual exploitation. Federal law defines child pornography as any visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct involving a minor (persons less than 18 years old). Images of child pornography are also referred to as child sexual abuse images.

                                                        Source: http://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/child-pornography

                                                        Can you speak on how exactly minors, or anybody, is being exploited or hurt by the content in subs like /r/lolicons?

                                                        [–]snakespm 46ポイント47ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                        So all these subreddits have an obvious theme going. Are you only banning racist subreddits or will others be put on the chopping block?

                                                        [–]ThiefOfDens 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                        Today we removed communities dedicated to animated CP

                                                        RIP in pieces loli subs.

                                                        [–]alphetasauce 775ポイント776ポイント  (194子コメント)

                                                        So since your content policy is to ban subreddits that exist solely to harass other redditors, when are you banning /r/shitredditsays?

                                                        [–]LukeTheFisher 267ポイント268ポイント  (52子コメント)

                                                        Forget it dude. The admins will continue to ignore any questions raised about this sub. It's fucking ridiculous how they redefine "harrassment" when it comes to something that plays nicely into their beliefs.

                                                        [–]RealHumanHere 181ポイント182ポイント  (44子コメント)

                                                        We will Quarantine communities whose content would be considered extremely offensive to the average redditor.

                                                        /r/ShitRedditSays not only is considered extremely offensive by the average redditor, but it also makes us feel unsafe, and they constantly harass people, doxx, and brigade.

                                                        They link to our posts, then they vote brigade them, insult us and follow us around the site. If that does not prevent people from having authentic conversation in this site then I don't know what does.

                                                        /u/spez should enforce the rules fairly and equally to everybody.

                                                        [–]sulaymanf 73ポイント74ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                        Quite simple, show me an actual recent example of them brigading or violating the rules. Sure 5 years ago they might have, but today?

                                                        [–]Mightbehittingonyou 70ポイント71ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                        Like members sending rape threats and the mods not doing anything about it? Like that?

                                                        https://np.reddit.com/r/SRSsucks/comments/3fc9qg/update_im_the_girl_who_received_rape_threats/cto2u8a?context=3#ctnt0zi

                                                        [–]snidelaughter 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Report it to the admins. They're the only ones who can prove it.

                                                        It's easy as fuck to fake screenshots.

                                                        [–]ShrimpFood 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Put your case forward. The mods said they received nothing of the sort, the admins can see if "misandrist4life" actually sent something, because in this day an age a screenshot isn't proof.

                                                        This requires simple clarification, but in its current state we just have screenshots which don't demonstrate anything.

                                                        [–]James_Knox_Polk 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                        Oh my god I can't believe people keep using this example.

                                                        First, the stuff in those PMs would never stand in the actual SRS sub. The individuals would be nearly insta-banned.

                                                        Second, because the usernames are being (understandably) hidden, there's no actual proof that the people who sent the PMs are SRSers. What is the OP defining as a member of that community? Someone who has commented twice? We have no clue.

                                                        I can absolutely promise you that 95% of SRS has no patience or tolerance for rape threats.

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                                                          [–]SeriousProfessional 106ポイント107ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                          Today they are the SJW boogeyman who has bullied the admins into taking away a handful of racist subreddits.

                                                          FEEEEEAAAAR THEEEEEEEEM

                                                          Seriously though the version of "SRS" that the people in these comments imagine and the actual subreddit don't have a lot in common.

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                                                            [–]homer_chimpson 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Some subs are more equal than others.

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                                                              [–]Amablue 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              Forget it dude. The admins will continue to ignore any questions raised about this sub.

                                                              What are you talking about? They've responded to questions about SRS before.

                                                              It's just that no one likes the answers, so they ignore that it ever happened, or they call them liars. No one can believe that maybe SRS isn't that big of a deal anymore and doesn't do a hardly any of the stuff they're accused of.

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                                                                [–]Meepster23 122ポイント123ポイント  (42子コメント)

                                                                I'm honestly curious, what has /r/shitredditsays done in the last year or 2 that would warrant a ban? Sure they used to be shitty (heh), but what in recent events have they done that would warrant a ban?

                                                                [–]alphetasauce 45ポイント46ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                                Then shouldn't we be asking the question what Coon town did too harass other users? They were banned for being racist, which if you read srs you'll know that they are racist as well unless you roll with the definition of power + prejudice = racism. Either way there are plenty of examples of srs harassment. Go check out srssucks. There was a post a couple of days ago where a couple of their members wished rape upon a woman because she said that false rape accusations can destroy lives. If rather everything be allowed than this craziness of banning, but if that is their policy, we should hold them to it.

                                                                [–]dyw77030 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                Check out some of the questions submitted to Nichelle Nichols and a German Social Worker.

                                                                [–]wafflebread 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Then shouldn't we be asking the question what Coon town did too harass other users?

                                                                Go to /r/FuckCoonTown for dozens of posts showing proof of them harassing others, as well as planning to brigade subreddits.

                                                                [–]Meepster23 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                Then shouldn't we be asking the question what Coon town did too harass other users? They were banned for being racist

                                                                Ummm that's odd, because literally earlier today there was a backroom post for /r/videos because we were getting hammered so hard by coontown users (including mods) making new accounts to avoid our bans. It was bad enough that the admins actually showed up (after asking permission) to comment in the private post.

                                                                You really think coontown didn't show up all over the place spewing hate?

                                                                [–]Surely_Relevant 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                That woman's claims were never confirmed by an admin. Also, there are subs dedicated to documenting harassment by Coontown.

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                                                                  [–]alphetasauce 66ポイント67ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                  https://www.reddit.com/r/SRSsucks/comments/3fc9qg/update_im_the_girl_who_received_rape_threats/

                                                                  [–]bigDean636 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  If you're going to fake harassment, at least make it ideologically consistent. SRS users using the word cunt and threatening rape makes no sense. On the off chance it did happen (it didn't), report it to the admins since they can actually see private messages of other users.

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                                                                      [–]WatchYourToneBoy 33ポイント34ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                      Also, /r/srssucks and /r/subredditcancer, which brigade heavily. /r/mensrights also has a history of brigading and doxxing

                                                                      [–]doctorsound 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                      Honest question, what evidence is there that SRS has harassed users since these new discussion about harassment subreddits have started?

                                                                      I see this said a lot, but no current proof that it happens

                                                                      [–]alphetasauce 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                      https://www.reddit.com/r/SRSsucks/comments/3fc9qg/update_im_the_girl_who_received_rape_threats/

                                                                      [–]doctorsound 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                      Interesting, if this isolated incident is part of a bigger trend, I could see the case for SRS being banned.

                                                                      [–]cantBanThis 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      By their own actions it doesn't have to be part of a trend to be banworthy. Remember, FPH only had one "incident" (posting a publicly-available picture) that led to their banning.

                                                                      [–]doctorsound 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      The mod announcement regarding FPH being banned referenced many incidents of harassment, and coordination by mods.

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                                                                        [–]emokantu 49ポイント50ポイント  (41子コメント)

                                                                        What were the "animated CP" subreddits banned?

                                                                        [–]CaptainKorsos 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        What do they mean with "animated", btw?

                                                                        I always think of cartoons or comics, video games and such when I read "animated". Is this interpretation correct?

                                                                        [–]man_and_machine 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        For instance, lolicon is manga/anime style drawn prepubescent girls. So yes, I think animated means what you think it means.

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                                                                          [–]RealHumanHere 66ポイント67ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                                                          I think it has been /r/Lolicons (/r/lolicon is also banned but I believe it already was).

                                                                          They are basically banning cartoons that do not hurt anybody, do not look realistic in any way, and do not represent anybody in real life.

                                                                          [–]xplodingminds 42ポイント43ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                          That's what I thought when I saw "animated". Come on, hentai is not the same as CP. I don't read or watch lolicon (or shotacon) myself, but I have read guro before. That doesn't mean I'm about to torture someone. It doesn't mean I want to see a video of it actually happening either.

                                                                          If people get their rocks off on lolicon, that doesn't necessarily make them pedophiles or bad people. Seems like reddit is going to continue banning everything that someone could take offense with, even if there's really not much wrong with.

                                                                          Wonder if eventually subs like TiA and fatlogic will get banned.

                                                                          [–]-Mountain-King- 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Hell, even if they are pedophiles, better that they have some way to release their desires without hurting anyone than that their desires build up.

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                                                                            [–]STR0NTJESBERG 48ポイント49ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                            /r/lolicons and /r/pomf have been banned. /r/lolicons was more aimed at "soft-core". Here and there were some pics that involved sex, but mostly nudity or clothed hentai.

                                                                            /r/pomf was more sex focused and rape-hentai was allowed.

                                                                            It's kinda silly to ban anime-style drawings. It's not even illegal in most places of the USA. (And the places were people were arrested was in combination with real child porn or if the images were based on real persons/events)

                                                                            [–]s0briquet 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            I just checked, and /r/shota is banned too.

                                                                            edit: I'm not a fan of shota or shotacon, but I know what it is, and thought to check and post.

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                                                                                [–]JamisonP 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                No love for any of those subs, but didn't you expressly say in your AMA that you weren't banning Coontown because it didn't violate your rules?

                                                                                Did you change yours rules? And ShitRedditSays makes reddit worse for everyone else, when is that getting banned.

                                                                                [–]snorlz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                we removed communities dedicated to animated CP

                                                                                What? That is not banned in your content policy. It is legal in the US (where the company and servers are), isnt spam, and doesnt have anything to do with actual humans so it violates none of the prohibited behaviors. I dont know what any of these subs are but banning it because you dont like it doesnt make any sense and undermines your pledges to make reddit a place for authentic conversation, which i take to mean free speech. These communities werent annoying other people and are probably too small to ever appear to anyone not looking for it. Why didnt you just quarantine them?

                                                                                [–]Fistedandfurious 18ポイント19ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                Does this mean you will enforce fairness policies in TIL, and not allow them to ban people for posting Department of Justice facts?

                                                                                What about in r/news? Will you enforce equal representation of news about crimes? Will you keep things fair and limit the number of posts about crime involving different groups to reflect the percentage of crimes that group commits?

                                                                                Reddit is a PC version of tumbler now. I'm done with it.

                                                                                Oh and I guess only white people can be racist?

                                                                                [–]Over421 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                lol /r/crackertown is obviously satire of coontown

                                                                                also coontown was getting to be literally worse than stormfront, and I think recently eclipsed it in size https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2015/black-hole

                                                                                anyway tumblr wasn't hosting one of the largest white supremacy forums on the internet, unlike reddit

                                                                                [–]_BreakingGood_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                /r/crackertown has like 1 post every 4-5 days. I guess it should technically be banned, but it honestly wouldnt change anything if it was.

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                                                                                  [–]Heiminator 268ポイント269ポイント  (146子コメント)

                                                                                  What about /r/ShitRedditSays and similar subreddits? Or are you only gonna ban discriminatory subreddits when they target ethnic minorities?

                                                                                  [–]Smerphy 149ポイント150ポイント  (40子コメント)

                                                                                  Come on dude, even if you don't agree with their politics, you're really going to compare /r/Shitredditsays to /r/watchniggersdie?

                                                                                  [–]duckvimes_ 46ポイント47ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                                                  But compining about people on the Internet is literally worse than telling people to go kill themselves because they dared to be born with the wrong skin color!!!1!1!

                                                                                  /s

                                                                                  [–]cumiasroasted 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                  nobody thinks SRS is as bad as the worst subs, but they encourage harassment and brigading to an extent it harms the site

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                                                                                    [–]mgrier123 62ポイント63ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                                                                    What about /r/ShitRedditSays[1] ?

                                                                                    Why is everyone going on about SRS? They don't do anything these days. They haven't done anything for years now. In fact, they have a bot that tracks votes in their linked threads and being linked to SRS actually generally either does nothing or increases the vote count, ie no brigade.

                                                                                    Please pick a new bogeyman. SRS doesn't do anything. And no, I don't use SRS or anything so stop before you call me an SRS shill or whatever.

                                                                                    [–]duckvimes_ 52ポイント53ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                                                    ShitRedditSays is a boogeyman. Their user base is tiny and they're barely active compared to most other subs.

                                                                                    [–]NerdCrush 29ポイント30ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                    They've gotten 30 new posts in the last 24 hours. Comparatively, quityourbullshit has double the subscribers and only 7 new submissions in the last 24 hours. It doesn't sound like they are barely active compared to other subs.

                                                                                    [–]ThaBomb 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                    Quityourbullshit also has a very active mod team that removes posts they think don't belong

                                                                                    [–]ShrimpFood 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    You're comparing a niche subreddit for verifiably calling out someone's lies, to a sub that complains about anything remotely racist. No shit one is going to have more posts. Cherry pick harder.

                                                                                    [–]asianedy 22ポイント23ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                                    Then what about /r/bestof and /r/subredditdrama? Both lead to clear brigades.

                                                                                    [–]duckvimes_ 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                    /r/bestof, yes. That's never going to happen though.

                                                                                    For SRD, the mods actively seek to prevent any brigading and many of the users do too. A few bad participants wouldn't justify a sub ban.

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                                                                                          [–]Bardfinn 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                          CoonTown may be banned, but their users will persist —

                                                                                          But, we can't pretend they don't exist.

                                                                                          Earlier today I put in a request on /r/IdeasForTheAdmins, asking for a more usable and accessible method to block individual users, and better performance from the blocking feature.

                                                                                          Could you Please have that possibly implemented? The code changes should be minor, the load testing likely completed in a development cycle, it could be put in the Beta program and could be a Gold-only option, driving revenue, and improve everyone's experience on Reddit by making it so we don't have to see the racists.

                                                                                          [–]triksterx 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                          could be a Gold-only option... improve everyone's experience on Reddit

                                                                                          I don't disagree that personal blocklists would be a good idea. But not everyone wants to or can afford to buy gold. If your goal is to make the life of every Redditor better, hiding a feature like this behind Reddit Gold is not going to achieve that.

                                                                                          [–]Enantiomorphism 38ポイント39ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                          I know there are going to be a lot of complaints about this, but honestly, those subreddits added nothing to the community and had users regularly post racist drivel in other subreddits.

                                                                                          [–]Rammus74 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                          Does the animated CP mean all the loli stuff or something else?

                                                                                          [–]Rils 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          That's exactly what it means, no more animated girls or animated anything that can be considered children.

                                                                                          [–]Torvaun 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          Animated CP? As in stuff that's created without actually harming any children whatsoever? I think that might be a bridge too far.

                                                                                          For example, over in AskReddit, someone was mentioning a porn thing on Newgrounds back in the day of Starfire from Teen Titans vs. some manner of tentacle creature. As I'm reasonably sure everyone is underage in Teen Titans, would someone linking the site in question be staring down the banhammer?

                                                                                          [–]blufin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          But Kept anything anti-semitic, or islamophobic or sexist or ageist? Going to get rid of those as well?If not, you shouldnt have got rid of coontown and the others. You need to let us know what we can say or not say. Whats censored and what isn't and why. Coontown wasnt making anything worse for me, I didn't even know it existed. You pander to a few very loud individuals to wreck the community for everyone else.

                                                                                          [–]Wayrin 73ポイント74ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                                                          You will get a lot of hate for this, but know that the silent majority is thinking "its about damn time".

                                                                                          [–]Zorseking34 80ポイント81ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                                                          Can you please ban /r/Kiketown then /u/spez?

                                                                                          [–]time2fly2124 63ポイント64ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                          I dont think he can/wants to ban himself :/

                                                                                          [–]AirPhforce 24ポイント25ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                          Quarantined.

                                                                                          Guess it's ok to hate on some minorities.

                                                                                          [–]Kindin_Einar 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          There were subreddits dedicated to gathering evidence that coontown was breaking the rules. Before that he explicitly stated he would not ban it. Maybe if we do the same for kiketown we can get the same response.

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                                                                                            [–]mar10wright 61ポイント62ポイント  (51子コメント)

                                                                                            Check out /r/quranimals, looks pretty bad.

                                                                                            [–]MGLLN 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                            what the fuck. These bigots never stop

                                                                                            [–]StrictScrutiny 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            Remove the link and send it to them in a message. They have under 100 subscribers right now but your link has given them eight times that amount in the last 17 minutes alone.

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                                                                                              [–]ademnus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              Thank you, Spez. I know there is never a way to please everyone, and someone will surely complain and demand these back but you've made the right decision. We all enjoy free speech in America, for example, but that doesn't mean Walmart is required to build a stage for the KKK to preach hatred. They still have their free speech -no one will imprison them for speaking their minds. They just aren't having a red carpet rolled out for them to preach it here.

                                                                                              In the end, for all to be welcome, we must maintain community standards. Just as we delete comments or ban individuals within subs for breaking those principles, we similarly need to remove them from reddit as a whole if they cannot engage with everyone appropriately. I do have free speech. But if I went to your grandmother's birthday party and called her racial slurs, you'd toss my butt out with no regrets. As well you should.

                                                                                              It's been a very difficult time for me and reddit lately. The thought that my reddit gold donations were funding a stage for people who only seek to rally hate and, if possible, do harm to others, had me refusing to buy any more but I was beginning to think that even just my participation was complicity. Now I feel I can remain here, and buy gold again, without feeling like I am supporting terrible people and their quest to hurt others. I know free speech is an important foundation of the internet in our minds but it is not the only principle to uphold. A safe place for people to gather online without fear or shame is also a worthy one.

                                                                                              Thank you. I hope this gains as much approval as recent events garnered disapproval from users. I think if we are willing to shout in anger when we perceive injustices we must also be willing to sing praises when the right choices are made, particularly ones we know were difficult and long in the coming. Well done and thanks for a brighter, friendlier, safer reddit for us all.

                                                                                              [–]PhysicalGraffiti75 59ポイント60ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                                                              /r/CrackerTown is still up, why is /r/CoonTown banned but /r/CrackerTown is allowed?

                                                                                              I despise /r/CoonTown but I despise double standards even more.

                                                                                              [–]EquatiusGlacierstein 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                              Oh absolutely, a white power subreddit comparable to Stormfront is absolutely the same thing as 138 people in a sub no one's ever heard of. I wonder how many of those are white people who subscribed just to feel the righteous indignation of fake oppression.

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                                                                                                [–]asianedy 22ポイント23ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                                                Thanks for the response, but if that's the case, why isn't /r/bestof, /r/subredditdrama, and the likes banned as well? Whenever a link is posted there, there are clear vote changes.

                                                                                                [–]MrSourceUnknown 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                I've rarely seen r/bestof being used to try and influence people's decision. It is usually just a "hey you might have missed this post from [lesser known subreddit]". I don't see how that would be manipulative.

                                                                                                [–]asianedy 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                It leads to a huge amount of upvotes. That's still brigading.

                                                                                                [–]MrSourceUnknown 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                Sure. Then let's hope the new mod tools allow for better monitoring of this. So they can crack down on brigading (like invalidating vote surges/spikes), but still allow people to reference cool threads. That's what I use r/bestof for anyway, I couldn't care less about upvoting what I find there.

                                                                                                [–]BattlescarScholastca 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                /r/bestof doesn't exist with a mission of making fun of other users. It's intentionally positive.

                                                                                                Though given the way they've stated the policy, the various drama/circlejerk/against- subreddits that are built around the idea of negativity towards other users should also have been banned.

                                                                                                [–]fritzvonamerika 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                I'm pretty sure the mods of those subs work with the admins well enough to mitigate the brigading with constant rules stating no participation and np. links being mandatory.

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                                                                                                  [–]cincyfan04 42ポイント43ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                  Holy crap they actually did it.

                                                                                                  [–]jaggazz 70ポイント71ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                  Next up: /r/GreatApes please?

                                                                                                  [–]Gandalfs_Beard 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                  Looks like it has at least been quarantined.

                                                                                                  [–]Lamadian 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                  Good grief there's a shit ton of racist subs here.

                                                                                                  This is why I mainly stick to sports and video game subs.

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                                                                                                    [–]falkerman 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                    There is a subreddit that is dedicated to annoy other redditors, prevent improvements, and make reddit worse.

                                                                                                    This subreddit is /r/ShitRedditSays. When will we expect to see that subreddit banned?

                                                                                                    [–]brickmack 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                    Animated CP is neither illegal nor does it "exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else". This is purely a publicity move

                                                                                                    [–]MortGarson 21ポイント22ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                                                                    why removed as opposed to quarantined? i don't see how they make Reddit worse for everyone else, as opposed to just "content would be considered extremely offensive to the average redditor."

                                                                                                    [–]LuisN 36ポイント37ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                                                    REALLY? you don't see how rampant racism can be toxic to the Reddit community as a whole? We've seen it spill over to bigger subs and comment sections, they only promote harassment.

                                                                                                    [–]gsfgf 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                    But it seems like the sort of problem that quarantining was designed to solve. Obviously, I'm not going to lose sleep over coontown being banned, but if the admins are just going to ban it, what is quarantining for?

                                                                                                    [–]pr0fitpr0phet 14ポイント15ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                                    Could you break down for me how the existence of /r/coontown negatively impacted your experience? I've not seen any such offensive content in any of the subreddits I frequent.

                                                                                                    [–]Something_Something2 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                    They've invaded the comment sections pertaining to police shootings or other black-focused news stories. Typically they get downvoted to oblivion or deleted and banned.

                                                                                                    I don't have an example offhand (mostly because they get deleted) but I've seen their ignorant comments get upvoted until someone calls them out for being a contributor or a mod of one of these shitty subs.

                                                                                                    Recent example I can find.

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                                                                                                        [–]squarecats 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                        CT regularly left their sub to harass others.

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                                                                                                          [–]Aethelric 20ポイント21ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                          I'm honestly surprised and very much pleased. Thank you, /u/spez, for choosing not to subsidize at least those racists with the Quarantine policy.

                                                                                                          [–]OfficerDarrenWilson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                          How, exactly, does CoonTown 'make it worse for everyone else'?

                                                                                                          In a way that, say, /r/throatfucking doesn't? Or /r/spacedicks? Or I don't want to know what else, because that's the beauty of reddit?

                                                                                                          On this day, you abandoned the principal on which Reddit was founded - siloization.

                                                                                                          On this day, you abandoned any pretense that the written rules have any relevance to the actions of the reddit admins.

                                                                                                          My question above is rhetorical - you know, and I know, and everybody knows that /r/coontown followed all the rules, vigorously guarded against brigading, kept to themselves, and did not 'make reddit worse' in any measurable way - other than receiving lots of bad media coverage, which you cravenly caved to.

                                                                                                          Ironic that at the time it was removed one of the top posts was a young black man venting his own frustrations growing up academically inclined in the black community, and he was treated warmly and respectfully in the comments.

                                                                                                          This day represents a significant turning point for reddit, a turning point that the internet will collectively mourn in five and ten years time.

                                                                                                          The quarantine thing, fine, a decent compromise. But arbitrarily banning a sub that has been particularly vigilant about observing and enforcing the rules, that's just a bridge too far.

                                                                                                          [–]therapistofpenisland 50ポイント51ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                          So are you just going to keep ignoring /r/shitredditsays then?

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