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Content Policy Update (self.announcements)

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Today we are releasing an update to our Content Policy. Our goal was to consolidate the various rules and policies that have accumulated over the years into a single set of guidelines we can point to.

Thank you to all of you who provided feedback throughout this process. Your thoughts and opinions were invaluable. This is not the last time our policies will change, of course. They will continue to evolve along with Reddit itself.

Our policies are not changing dramatically from what we have had in the past. One new concept is Quarantining a community, which entails applying a set of restrictions to a community so its content will only be viewable to those who explicitly opt in. We will Quarantine communities whose content would be considered extremely offensive to the average redditor.

Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else. Our most important policy over the last ten years has been to allow just about anything so long as it does not prevent others from enjoying Reddit for what it is: the best place online to have truly authentic conversations.

I believe these policies strike the right balance.

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[–]Cheech5 758ポイント759ポイント  (1462子コメント)

Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else. Our most important policy over the last ten years has been to allow just about anything so long as it does not prevent others from enjoying Reddit for what it is: the best place online to have truly authentic conversations

Which communities have been banned?

[–]spez[S,A] 1428ポイント1429ポイント x4 (1393子コメント)

Today we removed communities dedicated to animated CP and a handful of other communities that violate the spirit of the policy by making Reddit worse for everyone else: /r/CoonTown, /r/WatchNiggersDie, /r/bestofcoontown, /r/koontown, /r/CoonTownMods, /r/CoonTownMeta.

[–]Delphizer 305ポイント306ポイント  (19子コメント)

This doesn't look like a comprehensive list, and even if you constantly updated it here, it seems there should be some place that lists what subreddits have been banned and quarantined and what rules they broke.

Transparency and all that.

Maybe not top priority but I've seen a few call outs for something like that in many comments in many posts and it's largely been ignored. I'm assuming as it's been ignored the agreement is such a place won't exist. A comment one way or another would be appreciated.

[–]spez[S] 64ポイント65ポイント  (10子コメント)

When something gets banned the mods often attempt to recreate the same communities, which we try and stay on top of, so it's an ongoing process today.

[–]Stucifer2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well you brought that not only on yourselves, but on mods of other communities too. These users do not go away because you banned their clubhouse. They sent up in others subs. And the number of people that join them will double out of spite.

This policy is not only idiotic and shortsighted, it also makes more work for people. The quarantine idea, which you said was what was going to happen was a better idea. You Admins seem to go out of your way to fuck up.

Look at if from a users point of view and see how bad this makes you guys look that you constantly bullshit the users and refuse to apply these rules evenly. We get more BS about subs like /r/ShitRedditSays and /r/SubredditDrama.

Even the reason given as to why these subs were banned is bullshit. It is like you think all reddit users are stupid. It has nothing to do with "annoying averages users" (because SRS and SRD would be gone if that was the case), it is about sanitizing the place to please investors. If you were at least honest about that, maybe it would not make you all look so bad.

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      [–]AirPhforce 302ポイント303ポイント  (123子コメント)

      I'm actually shocked you did it.

      I was thinking for-sure they would just become an ad-free subreddit dedicated to hate hidden behind an 'opt-in' wall.

      Edit; /r/Kiketown is still there. No ads for them, as they have been whitelisted by reddit staff for ad-free status, less trolls because you have to be email verified, and no spam bots because you have to opt in. You actually made life better for them. Guess I'm not shocked at all.

      /r/kiketown got the reddit seal of approval! We did it reddit.

      Other "Acceptable subreddits according to /u/spez":

      [–]Number357 561ポイント562ポイント  (236子コメント)

      but not /r/shitredditsays? Not /r/AgainstMensRights? Hateful, bigoted communities that actually do invade other subs? Apparently only certain types of bigotry and brigading aren't tolerated here. I wouldn't have much problem with seeing /r/coontown go if your hate speech policy were actually fairly enacted, but this picking and choosing is the reason why many people were opposed to the hate speech policy to begin with. A former admin runs SRS and a former CEO mods a sub that endorses AMR, so can't say I'm surprised that reddit staff don't have any problem with those communities.

      EDIT: Since this is gaining traction, I'd like to say this about hate speech: Hate speech is by its nature subjective, which is why banning it is generally a bad idea. Here is a 2.5 hour speech by Warren Farrell. In it, he talks about things like boys falling behind in education or the fact that males are far more likely to commit suicide than women. There is nothing hateful in that speech, yet the campus feminist group protested his speech in the weeks leading up to it. They tried to get it cancelled and ripped down the flyers for it, and finally staged this protest to physically prevent anybody from entering. Because to many college feminists, simply acknowledging men's issues is "hate speech." Simply talking about the fact that boys are 30% more likely to drop out of school is hate speech. Simply mentioning that men are 4x more likely to commit suicide is hate speech. Please watch both the video and the protest, and keep in mind that the people calling for hate speech to be banned are the people who wanted Warren Farrell's speech banned for being "hate speech." Similar protests involving pulling fire alarms to shut down talks about male victims of domestic violence have also happened.

      The problem with banning hate speech is that not everybody agrees on what hate speech is, and a lot of people consider legitimate discussions of men's issues to be "hate speech" that should be banned. Which is why a lot of us object to bans on hate speech.

      [–]AMarmot 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      communities that violate the spirit of the policy

      You wrote an update to your written policy on user code of conduct, and you banned communities based on violating the spirit of said policy?

      Why didn't you just ban racism and racist communities explicitly? Also, why did you wait until you had new tools, explicitly designed to deal with the situation of "undesirable" communities, and then ban them anyway? Were you waiting to see if you could bait them into behaviour that explicitly violated other elements your policy before banning them on these grounds? 'Cuz that's what it looks like.

      [–]Cheech5 189ポイント190ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Thank you for the response, it's greatly appreciated. I wasn't concerned with any one particular subreddit, but the overall goal of transparency being upheld.

      [–]jabberwockxeno 96ポイント97ポイント  (34子コメント)

      animated CP

      What does this mean, exactly? As in, like, drawings? That seems silly to me (Think of the fictional children!)

      EDIT: Yes, that's what it was. I can understand that you guys don't want that content here (if I was running a site, I wouldn't either) but it does fall under you banning stuff you simply disagree with, which goes against what you said before.

      [–]Fryes 153ポイント154ポイント  (12子コメント)

      /r/rapingwomen also banned.

      Edit: Apparently it was banned prior to today.

      [–]BizarroBizarro 96ポイント97ポイント  (41子コメント)

      /r/CoonTown is going to be leaking all over the place in the coming days. Should be interesting.

      [–]ANharper 33ポイント34ポイント  (9子コメント)

      The problem with this policy is that it's not objectively enforceable. Anything can be interpreted to be for "solely annoying other redditors". CoonTown is/was a horrible subreddit, but this was the DNA that made this site famous -- the promise that it was a completely open platform without censorship.

      If you replace the platform born of the promise of freedom, with one that openly espouses banning "undesirable" (by whom??) subreddits, you are turning this site into its own antithesis, an omnipotently curated, handed-from-on-high, top-down nanny state. ANYTHING can be interpreted as annoying or insensitive, if one's pressure group is strong and loud enough. Reddit was once a safe-haven free from pressure groups. Anyone's voice could be heard, because the admins were not the moral police, but just the nerdy tech support. Now you've made admins the moral police, and reddit a nanny state.

      [–]snakespm 39ポイント40ポイント  (7子コメント)

      So all these subreddits have an obvious theme going. Are you only banning racist subreddits or will others be put on the chopping block?

      [–]emokantu 40ポイント41ポイント  (32子コメント)

      What were the "animated CP" subreddits banned?

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          [–]TheMentalist10 358ポイント359ポイント  (58子コメント)

          Will you be sharing information about the communities which are Quarantined? Will moderators of those communities know if their subreddit has been affected?

          Edit: Just as it's not immediately obvious, /r/Coontown has been banned

          Edit 2: Here's what it looks like when you try to access a Quarantined subreddit

          [–]spez[S,A] 183ポイント184ポイント  (43子コメント)

          They receive a message, yes.

          [–]booklover13 62ポイント63ポイント  (9子コメント)

          Will there be a list of quarantined subs keep so we which have been quarantined? Will there be an appeal process for a quarantined sub or a way for them to be quarantined if they can make the necessary changes?

          [–]spez[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

          The mods of a quarantined community are not banned, so they can message us just fine.

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                [–]slyf 380ポイント381ポイント  (74子コメント)

                This page (https://www.reddit.com/about/alien/) says that

                Remember: "reddit" is always lowercase.

                But your Content Policy spells it with a capital R, has this branding changed?

                [–]spez[S] 487ポイント488ポイント  (66子コメント)

                Yep, we're changing our style guide as well. It's a pain to start a sentence with reddit.

                [–]bigblades 381ポイント382ポイント  (23子コメント)

                This new Reddit is not the reddit I have come to know and love. All the other changes I could abide by but this will not stand. I'm going to need to get a new sticker now damnit.

                [–]kn0thing[A] 84ポイント85ポイント  (14子コメント)

                Your sticker is still canon. The logo will not change. That'll still have a lowercase "r" -- it's just for making it easier to type sentences that start with Reddit. That, and everyone has basically been using the capitalized R anyway, from the press to wikipedia.

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                  [–]Theliamist 50ポイント51ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Will there be a list of all the letters you will be capitalising from now on? Or are you just going to keep us in the dark? Transparency my ass.

                  /s

                  [–]bakonydraco 90ポイント91ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  I was on board and appreciative with everything else but capitalizing the 'r' in 'reddit' is a bridge too far. IS THIS WHERE WE RIOT?!

                  Keep up the great work!

                  [–]slyf 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Excellent, thanks for the clarification!

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                      [–]ChangloriousBastard 139ポイント140ポイント  (45子コメント)

                      Under "Enforcement", shadowbanning is not listed. I know the list is not comprehensive, but does that mean that shadowbanning will no longer be used to enforce the rules as illustrated in the updated content policy?

                      [–]spez[S] 85ポイント86ポイント  (42子コメント)

                      It will always be a useful tool for fighting spammers, but we are working as fast as we can on more nuanced tools for users who violate other rules so they have a chance to learn from their mistakes.

                      [–]jpflathead 94ポイント95ポイント  (23子コメント)

                      exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else

                      Clearly SRS is not even on the same continent as bad as /r/c..t..n but SRS does exist solely to harass people on reddit and their mission statement is to make reddit's life miserable. And you are letting them succeed.

                      SRS, and AMR are not there to discuss ideas. They are there to stifle dissent, police ideas, shame/slander/harass people and keep ideas they dislike from being an acceptable part of conversation.

                      As one example: explain why most of reddit now uses np links and srs refuses to use np links.

                      You can allow them to exist, but you should stop giving them preferential treatment, either out of cowardice, or out of cowardice.

                      [–]jimlast3 27ポイント28ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      As a former shadow banned person , I'd like to thank you.

                      Keep up the good work

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                          [–]dwchief 77ポイント78ポイント  (11子コメント)

                          If a user is subscribed to a Quarantined subreddit, will it still appear on their front page?

                          [–]raldi 169ポイント170ポイント  (111子コメント)

                          I'm sure some of you are rushing to find the Imgur link about how ripping out someone's tongue doesn't prove them wrong, and that the real answer is to engage them in debate.

                          But it doesn't really apply, because nobody's tongue was ripped out. The bigots have already migrated to another site, and they're doing just fine.

                          Shockingly, it doesn't look like the conversation going on over there in any way resembles an intellectually-honest debate on racial issues.

                          [–]spez[S,A] 46ポイント47ポイント  (51子コメント)

                          It's more than that, even. We take banning very seriously, which is why it takes so long for us to do it. In this case, a small group of people were causing on outsized amount of harm to Reddit.

                          [–]kopkaas2000 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          You're probably getting flooded with questions about this, but would you be willing to elaborate on the harm they were causing? As big as my distaste for racist bigots is, there's a strong narrative going on that they weren't breaking any rules / weren't harassing other users / were staying on their own shitty little island.

                          If you in fact just want to get rid of racist subs, it seems to me that just being clear on the issue would work out better. If it was indeed about rulebreaking, some more information would put the "they did nothing wrong"-narrative, and the implication of capricious justice, to bed.

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                              [–]zachlac 27ポイント28ポイント  (6子コメント)

                              Soooooo...shadowbanning? Do you shadow ban for violation of content policy violations? At what point in the list of punishments would this fall?

                              [–]spez[S] 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

                              Right now it's all we've got, but no, I don't think shadowbanning is appropriate beyond spam.

                              [–]Xet 21ポイント22ポイント  (11子コメント)

                              Regarding Quarantining: Would you ever quarantine a large subreddit like /r/wtf?

                              A community will be Quarantined on Reddit when we deem its content to be extremely offensive or upsetting to the average redditor.

                              One could argue that the very gorey types of pictures that appear on /r/wtf would be pretty upsetting. I know I've accidentally clicked on /r/wtf images when I temporarily disabled my own RES filters, and honestly of all things on the site, some of the stuff there is more troubling to me than discriminatory self text posts.

                              [–]spez[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (10子コメント)

                              No, because the mods of r/wtf are generally good about tagging things as NSFW.

                              [–]Xet 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              As a furtherance to that, what if a quarantined subreddit then just made all posts nsfw by default? Would the quarantine be removed?

                              [–]fried_fetus 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              Well flagging cant be the true reason, all posts on /r/coontown were marked as NSFW.

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                                [–]illegal_deagle 483ポイント484ポイント  (171子コメント)

                                Unfortunately it looks like SRS will continue to enjoy their harassment and downvote brigading.

                                Edit: Come on, guys. I make a comment about downvote brigading and y'all mass downvote /u/spez for actually responding when he didn't have to.

                                [–]spez[S] -238ポイント-237ポイント  (152子コメント)

                                For the the time being we believe that brigading is best fought with technology, which we are actively working on.

                                [–]Synsc 183ポイント184ポイント  (61子コメント)

                                For the the time being we believe that brigading is best fought with technology, which we are actively working on.

                                What does that mean exactly?

                                [–]spez[S] -82ポイント-81ポイント  (46子コメント)

                                It means that we can see downvoting brigades in that data, and we are working on preventing them from working. We used to do this in the past, and it worked quite well.

                                [–]missmymom 181ポイント182ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                Spez,

                                Help me out here please. In the content policy you define bullying as "Harassment on Reddit is defined as systematic and/or continued actions to torment or demean someone in a way that would make a reasonable person conclude that reddit is not a safe platform to express their ideas or participate in the conversation". I would say if someone is posted on SRS the sole purpose it shame and bully that person for the comments they are making (rightfully or not). I would say that fits under this definition does it not?

                                Also, was fatpeoplehate not banned for this exact behavior? We've seen SRS publish a list of usernames targeted at particular subreddits, wouldn't that also be a tool to help make this harassment and bullying easier?

                                I'm asking for clarification of the rules and how it appears at least they are not applied equally.

                                Thank you, Missmymom

                                [–]Ultimate_Cabooser 68ポイント69ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                That still doesn't mean anything. They're blatantly violating the "exist solely to annoy other redditors" and they make Reddit a lot worse for everyone who isn't them.

                                The "we don't need to remove them because we're developing technology that won't let them break the rules" could be said about a shit ton of subreddits that were removed.

                                I'm not in the "fatpeoplehate shouldn't have been removed"-circlejerk, because I agree it was shitty and was rightly removed, but the "it doesn't need to be removed because we're working on technology that doesn't let them break the rules" argument could have been used for that. If you remove subreddits like that, you have to remove SRS.

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                                    [–]Toucanzhigher 47ポイント48ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors

                                    It isn't just a brigading concern the sub was literally created to harass and piss off other redditors. But you're ok with some of that content so long as its more on the PC spectrum right?

                                    [–]Didalectic 95ポイント96ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    We are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                    Please explain how Shit Reddit Says doesn't fall under that definition. Why did Coontown get banned, despite not even breaking that first criterium? It's insulting to your product to think we are unable to see the inconsistency here, such that not banning SRS also fulfills the third criterium: 'prevents us from improving Reddit.'

                                    It allows the current atmosphere of hostility based on (perceived) inconsistency and bullshitting to continue and even grow deeper.

                                    [–]Baelorn 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    So you're explicitly stating that you're aware of the SRS network's brigading but do not currently have any plans to deal with it?

                                    [–]LukeTheFisher 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Holy shit. Will the rules ever apply to those guys or will you constantly move goalposts for them? I like how "harassment" gets redefined just for that specific sub. Good job on the rest of the subs. Confused as fuck about the loli sub being banned though.

                                    [–]ardbeg 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Well why not "quarantine" it until you can figure out a technology that is even partially effective?

                                    [–]SleepingLesson 125ポイント126ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors

                                    Seems like the explicit purpose of SRS, does it not?

                                    [–]DdMDaniels 149ポイント150ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                    /r/shitredditsays also sends threats and personal attacks against the users they link to, they are a hate group https://www.reddit.com/r/SRSsucks/comments/3fc9qg/update_im_the_girl_who_received_rape_threats/

                                    [–]JohnStalvern 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    What about the fact that they dox?

                                    What about the fact that their stated purpose is to make reddit look bad and hurt it?

                                    SRS is a left-leaning counterpart to many other shitty subs (some of which are/were banned) but it gets a pass.

                                    [–]homer_chimpson 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Man, I can smell the HORSE SHIT from my computer.

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                                        [–]WhiteFlight2 175ポイント176ポイント  (171子コメント)

                                        I thought you were going to provide a link with why a subreddit was banned. /r/coontown, despite being reviled amongst some users didn't appear to violate any of the rules. It also did well to enforce additional rules that places like SRS flaunt. Why was /r/coontown banned, specifically?

                                        [–]spez[S] -120ポイント-119ポイント  (160子コメント)

                                        As I stated in the post

                                        exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else

                                        [–]senatorskeletor 238ポイント239ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                        I appreciate the general idea of what you're doing and I'd never defend /r/coontown. But "generally make Reddit worse for everyone else" is so vague as to have no meaning.

                                        [–]SteelSaxon 189ポイント190ポイント  (38子コメント)

                                        Which one did it break though? I don't believe it existed for the 'sole' purpose to annoy other redditors, and you haven't provided any proof of them doing so. In your new Reddit Coontown would be quarantined so I don't know how they can get in the way of 'improving reddit' and how can a sub that only had 20k(?) subs make 'Reddit worse for everyone' when most users didn't even know it existed or even cared. So how did it break the rules?

                                        [–]TheSpekio 114ポイント115ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        So basically whatever you deem so. Thanks for listening about our complaints about nebulous regulations and doing nothing to clarify them.

                                        [–]Omoikane13 74ポイント75ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Really shot yourself in the foot there by posting the part of your policy that supports SRS being banned.

                                        [–]DdMDaniels 142ポイント143ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                        /u/spez please answer this, why isn't /r/shitredditsays banned when pretty much all they do is brigade and harass other users? https://www.reddit.com/r/SRSsucks/comments/3fc9qg/update_im_the_girl_who_received_rape_threats/

                                        [–]WhiteFlight2 167ポイント168ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                        SRS annoys literally everyone on reddit. Even when you try to escape it, you can find one of your posts on their site and then you're harassed until they move on to the next person. Why are they not banned as they fit at least two of the three criteria. Edit: So is it safe to assume that /r/coontown was a liability to the brand?

                                        [–]Stucifer2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Good job, now they will be in other subs. The original idea as most understood it was that these subs would be in their own little corner of reddit. Now they will be all over the place and a new sub will be made. You are basically playing a game of whack-a-mole and at the same time creating more subs and users of these subs with this lunacy.

                                        [–]cheald 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Does the ban fall under "prevent us from improving Reddit" then? Because I'm not sure that it falls under the other bullet points.

                                        (And does that prevention take the form of "its existence is a PR nightmare"?)

                                        I honestly can't figure out why you've banned coontown (though I'm certainly not at all sympathetic to them). Maybe I just avoid the places they tend to intersect, but my understanding is that they don't soly exist to annoy others and they seem to be a pretty self-contained ball of hate rather than a big splash of it all over the site. All I'm left with is "it makes Reddit worse because the PR is untenable", and that's kinda icky. I thought that they were basically the whole reason for the quarantine idea; developing quarantine and banning coontown in the same stroke seems really odd to me.

                                        And yeah, throwing my voice behind the "but not r/srs?" chorus, too. They are the poster child for Things That Violate This List Of Rules.

                                        [–]Jealousy123 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        /r/coontown didn't violate any of those rules so stop lying straight to the communities face. It existed because enough of a minority of redditors disliked certain groups of people enough to create a subreddit where literally the majority of the content is complaining about black people. Not death threats, not plans for lynchings, not cross burning. Just getting on the internet and complaining about things black people do.

                                        Hell, that in and of itself gives it a reason to exist aside from "annoying other redditors" which /r/coontown barely even touched when compared to other subreddits that you STILL HAVEN'T BANNED such as /r/shitredditsays.

                                        Second rule, how did they prevent you from improving Reddit? Name one single instance of an "improvement" to reddit that was successfully prevented from implementation thanks to the 20k subscribers over at /r/coontown.

                                        And as for rule 3, they barely ever interacted with the rest of reddit. Hell, I bet pretty much the only time they interacted with the rest of reddit were when their posts got enough upvotes to make it to /r/all.

                                        So I'll say it again. Stop lying to the community and just admit that you're censoring ideas, not actions.

                                        Place for free discussion my ass.

                                        [–]Goatsac 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else

                                        CoonTown hid off in their private little corner, and it was the poutraged that made it a point to link to them every chance they got.

                                        [–]BasedFoles 31ポイント32ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        The only interaction Coontown had with other subs was when they were directly called out. Unless you're saying /r/AgainstHateSubreddits can annoy /r/CoonTown but they cannot respond, in which case just admit what you're really doing here.

                                        [–]2comment 126ポイント127ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        Just say you started banning ideas, not just behavior.

                                        No need to bullshit us.

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                                            [–]musicandwords 50ポイント51ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                            I am surprised nobody has mentioned that by collecting emails for quarentined subs you are essentially creating a database of users who read content you deem 'questionable'. What does verifying the email accomplish? This seems overly broad and Orwellian.

                                            [–]spez[S] -30ポイント-29ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                            It adds friction to the signup process, which we hope will cause people to think twice before opting in.

                                            [–]fried_fetus 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            Why do you need to be the user's parent? Give them a warning about potential content and move on.

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                                                [–]Teh_Compass 127ポイント128ポイント  (120子コメント)

                                                Quarantining is a good step from outright banning. But banning more subreddits in addition to that isn't going to solve anything.

                                                Banning subreddits that break the TOS like harassing users and such makes sense, but you can't go and ban subreddits that don't, no matter how much people don't like them.

                                                /r/fatpeoplehate, for example, was annoying to people but could easily be ignored. It didn't need to be banned initially. But I totally understand that it was banned for the brigading it did. I was subscribed to one of the subreddits that was being brigaded and its users harassed.

                                                /r/coontown, for example is easily ignored and doesn't deserve to be banned, even if they are racist as shit. I hear rumors about brigading but I personally don't know enough about it. If there is evidence that they are doing something like that then by all means ban them. But just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they should be banned.

                                                You essentially run the site and can do whatever you want. But remember what the users want.

                                                [–]spez[S] -180ポイント-179ポイント  (92子コメント)

                                                We didn't ban them because we disagree with them. We banned them because this exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                                [–]RealHumanHere 194ポイント195ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                That is the damn definition of /r/ShitRedditSays. They are constantly annoying, harassing, doxxing and following reddittors around the site and make us feel unsafe. They follow people everywhere, they link to their post, they brigade them. It makes us feel unsafe and afraid of speaking our minds on this site. And that breaks reddit's new rules.

                                                Apply this to everybody fairly or people will leave this site.

                                                [–]theimpolitegentleman 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Andddddd SRS fits every criteria you listed.

                                                You guys need to stop fiddling around and be straight with the community with the exact relationship the management of reddit has with SRS.

                                                You (collectively) have consistently Weasled out of answering any hard questions about anything related to SRS.

                                                If you plan on ever making a sustainable long lasting entity through reddit the bull needs to stop and start acting like non biased adults instead of two faced bbs moderators who have an agenda.

                                                [–]lhateapes 86ポイント87ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                We banned them because this exist solely to annoy other redditors

                                                This is the definition of SRS yet you didn't ban them. I wouldn't be pissed about your dumb rules if they were at least equal for every side of the coin, but the fact that you only target the non SJW subs is just too much hypocrisy.

                                                [–]IAmAnAnonymousCoward 61ポイント62ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                We banned them because this exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                                That's horribly subjective.

                                                [–]xavierfox42 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                exist solely to annoy other redditors

                                                So you're saying /r/coontown brigaded and targets users outside their sub for harassment? The consensus seems to be that they largely kept to themselves. Do you believe otherwise?

                                                prevent us from improving Reddit

                                                In what way did they prevent you from improving reddit? From a technological standpoint? This doesn't make sense.

                                                and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else

                                                Again, if they kept to themselves, which they seem to have done, then there would have been no impact on "everyone else".

                                                [–]missmymom 112ポイント113ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                Isn't this exactly what SRS is doing? It's purpose is to quote and shame people for the conversations they have on Reddit?

                                                [–]omcagk 146ポイント147ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                SRS also exists solely to annoy other redditors. They encourage commenting on the threads linked there. Ban all brigade subs.

                                                [–]GammaKing 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                If you're going to talk to the community you need to drop the PR spin. You banned them because they're a distasteful sub. Everybody knows it and no amount of handwaving is going to make that go away - meaningless, inconsistent ban excuses are something I'd hoped would end with the new admin team.

                                                [–]IPhone6SroseGold 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Just a couple weeks ago you said attempting to silence ideas you don't like isn't the answer...

                                                [–]KYLO__REN 41ポイント42ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                We banned them because this exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                                SRS defined.

                                                [–]MaDaFaKaS 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                This is the entire point of /r/Subredditdrama /r/gamerghazi and /r/shitredditsays, the title of SRS right now is "Chill all men"

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                                                    [–]Naked_Bacon_Tuesday 98ポイント99ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else. Our most important policy over the last ten years has been to allow just about anything so long as it does not prevent others from enjoying Reddit for what it is: the best place online to have truly authentic conversations.

                                                    If you do plan to ban subs, I'm sure reddit would enjoy an itemized list of ban reasons/offenses by each sub. This shouldn't necessarily include a link or something to an example of the offense, but the list provided should be detailed enough for a reasonable person to say, "OK, yeah, that's clear enough to require the ban."

                                                    But the bans should definitely be released and reasons for them made clear.

                                                    [–]CarmineCerise 174ポイント175ポイント  (43子コメント)

                                                    Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                                    Will there be a clear list of banned subreddits?

                                                    [–]Mobre 45ポイント46ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    Can you explain the difference between these two?

                                                    We will Quarantine communities whose content would be considered extremely offensive to the average redditor.

                                                    and

                                                    we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditers, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else

                                                    and how /r/coontown applies to the latter rather than the former? Because it seems that the application of who is quarantined and who is banned overlap and is completely up to the arbitrary decision of the admin rather then an explicit and defined rule set.

                                                    [–]Facerless 60ポイント61ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    • Encourages or incites violence
                                                    • Threatens, harasses, or bullies or encourages others to do so

                                                    Are these going to be used against communities that are centered around the pre-existing hatred or dislike of a group or person?

                                                    I realize this is nit picking but this is still fairly vague

                                                    What constitutes encouragement or how will you decide what incites someone to action?

                                                    [–]Olive_Jane 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    I'm sorry, can you clarify how hentai and ficticious drawings is child porn?

                                                    "unwelcome content

                                                    2 While Reddit generally provides a lot of leeway in what content is acceptable, here are some guidelines for content that is not. Please keep in mind the spirit in which these were written, and know that looking for loopholes is a waste of time.

                                                    3 Content is prohibited if it

                                                    Is illegal

                                                    Is involuntary pornography Encourages or incites violence

                                                    Threatens, harasses, or bullies or encourages others to do so Is personal and confidential information

                                                    Impersonates someone in a misleading or deceptive manner

                                                    Is spam"

                                                    Does drawn pictures of underage, fictitious characters, really apply to the above?

                                                    Child Pornography

                                                    Child pornography is a form of child sexual exploitation. Federal law defines child pornography as any visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct involving a minor (persons less than 18 years old). Images of child pornography are also referred to as child sexual abuse images.

                                                    Source: http://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/child-pornography

                                                    Can you speak on how exactly minors, or anybody, is being exploited or hurt by the content in subs like /r/lolicons?

                                                    [–]Shintao6 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                    Changing the conversation away from CT and SRS for a minute, why were Loli subs banned? They produce no illegal content or anything that violates the new Content Policy. They do not harass, threaten or worsen anyone's Redditing experience. I was fully expecting a quarantine, and would have been fine with that. I understand and respect that Loli is not everyone's cup of tea. I also get that it's your show and we play by your rules, but can we get the rule written down somewhere at least?

                                                    [–]BillW87 153ポイント154ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                    For the sake of transparency I feel like it would be best to make the list of banned communities public. With all of the concerns lately about the admins not being transparent enough, banning subs without telling us who they are seems counterproductive.

                                                    [–]LukeTheFisher 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Regarding the "animated CP" sub: This was a very odd choice for me. It's not illegal in most places and everything can be illegal in some places. It's on a similar level to bestiality legally but it's actually illegal in far less places. If they're getting quarantined for legal issues, what about the horse and doggy porn subs? Also it's not as if the users of the sub are harassing anyone.

                                                    Why this sub specifically? Have they actually harassed anyone? Was it just because of objectionable content? Why not target subs with similar issues then? Like the bestiality subs aforementioned. Seems weird to single out this one in particular.

                                                    Also: what about subs like candidfashionpolice? Those seem more dangerous to me in a lot of ways especially since people can't request to have their photos removed. Just a side question on this: I see that you guys are hosted by AWS. They have a compliance policy surrounding this I think, could someone request that their photo be removed from the sub in that way? Do you guys cooperate with them regarding that?

                                                    I'd appreciate any answers you can give me.

                                                    [–]pigeonburger 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    I'm not going to cry for Coontown, but there's two things that worry me.

                                                    First, there's the absence of transparency. I want to see who gets banned, for what reason and I believe there should be a forum or a possibility for that group to appeal to the community or at least publically appeal to the administrators to get their sanction reversed.

                                                    Then, there's still too much vagueness.

                                                    "Extremely offensive or upsetting to the average redditor" - Who decides? This ties with my point above regarding the absence of transparency.

                                                    "Forming or joining a group that votes together, either on a specific post, a user's posts, posts from a domain, etc." - Does the group have to be explicitely formed for that purpose? Does incidental voting from being linked by another subreddit which tends to have similar feelings towards that post count? One could argue that being "featured" on SRD/SRS/BestOf/DepthHub is an implicit invitation for people to go and up or downvote the post in question. If implicit brigades are also banned, who draws the line? Again, we need transparency.

                                                    "Being annoying, vote brigading, or participating in a heated argument is not harassment, but following an individual or group of users, online or off, to the point where they no longer feel that it's safe to post online or are in fear of their real life safety is." - Thank you for mentionning the first part, but we've seen people who think that heated disagreements gave them PTSD. Which one has priority? Leaving the standard for "harassment" to be determined by the so-called harassed is easily gameable.

                                                    While we're on that subject. If we look back to the FPH ban; the images that were floating around showing that they were "harassing" were certainly very debateable. Will we ever have any public proof that they were engaging in harassment according to the guidelines?

                                                    [–]zerconic 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    A community will be Quarantined on Reddit when we deem its content to be extremely offensive or upsetting to the average redditor or to ourselves.

                                                    Does this also mean that reddit is endorsing any subreddits they choose not to quarantine or ban, since they are now individually censoring subreddits?

                                                    [–]culman13 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    Are you serious /u/spez? Wow. You banned subreddits because they "generally annoy people." This right after you litterally said you would quarantine subreddits rather than ban them because they don't violate set rules. You have gone back on your word and have become a straight up dictator.

                                                    Listen I am not a fan of any of those subreddits, but people have a right to say what they want to say so long it is not hurting others directly. Those subreddits did not harass people and kept to themselves.

                                                    This site is such a disappointing pile of dog shit. Every day the right to say something someone else might not like crumbles away a little more than the day previous. What happened to your words /u/spez when you said you can't win an arguement by silencing the opposition?

                                                    [–]edafade 246ポイント247ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                    Subs like /r/coontown are banned (in fact, you banned only coontown related subs) but SRS is still up and running.

                                                    While I didn't agree with their ideology or what they represented, you, /u/spez stated yourself on several occasions, you did not support the beliefs of /r/coontown but believed they had a place here on reddit. SRS clearly violates reddit's Content "Policy" yet remains unaffected whereas the former did not and were contained to their own communities.

                                                    It's the same shit as before, just packaged with a ribbon.

                                                    Very disappointing.

                                                    [–]GamersCorp 33ポイント34ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                    Can you give us any examples of specific subreddits that will be quarantined?

                                                    [–]Lynch_King 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Can you own up to the fact that the subs you banned were not banned for breaking any of the new policy's rules (in fact, the rules you updated in this new policy have been on the rules of subs like coontown for a while, to avoid getting banned) but because you believed they showed the negative side of reddit?

                                                    Clearly this is true because, as hundreds have already pointed out, subreddits that encourage brigading (like SRS) are still here. And they actually broke the rules. At least then people will realize you used your own morals to ban subs you didn't agree with, which is pretty dumb on a website as huge as reddit.

                                                    [–]Demolishing 76ポイント77ポイント  (28子コメント)

                                                    Is involuntary pornography

                                                    How will this affect stuff like /r/amateur and /r/realgirls and /r/SluttyHalloween ?

                                                    [–]dragonfangxl 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                                    I dont understand. Why bother making this new tool (quarantines) if you're still going to ban subreddits? Do you not trust the effectiveness of this tool? Also is there a list of the subreddits being banned?

                                                    [–]GreyWalker 41ポイント42ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                    A community will be Quarantined on Reddit when we deem its content to be extremely offensive or upsetting to the average redditor or to ourselves. The purpose of quarantining a community is to prevent its content from being accidentally viewed by those who do not wish to do so. Restrictions on a quarantined community include:

                                                    • Requiring an account with a verified email address
                                                    • Requiring an explicit opt-in
                                                    • No custom images
                                                    • Will generate no revenue, including ads or Reddit Gold

                                                    [–]Artalay 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    Out of curiosity what constitutes the "average redditor"? And if you don't have a working definition of that, what steps will you be taking towards coming up with it?

                                                    [–]IntoleranceFUCKYEAH 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Reddit isn't doing this to protect the users, they're doing this to protect the advertisers so they feel more comfortable being associated with a website like this. It's pretty simple. Why explain to your advertiser who doesn't understand Reddit, "But those subreddits, you choose to enter! It's not all bad" and give a huge explanation. Wouldn't you rather just say, "Reddit is a great place!" and not have to worry about bad subreddits?

                                                    [–]thesexygazelle 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    With the new push for transparency I would expect that the list of banned subreddits would be published. I feel like there is a lot of talk about transparency and community involvement but not a lot of actual transparency and the community involvement seems more for posterity's sake.

                                                    [–]Goatsac 93ポイント94ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                    Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                                    Glad to see /r/againstmensrights and /r/gamerghazi are still going strong.

                                                    [–]psuedopseudo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    I have to say, though I think the "quarantine idea" is a good balance, the ban policy looks a lot more like content censorship that anything else. If that's the way the site will be run, that's your prerogative, but it seems like we keep sidestepping the issue while simultaneously getting closer to bans for content. I know we've moved past the concept of reddit being a forum for free speech, but let's go one step further and approach this honestly.

                                                    How do you reconcile a policy strictly against "communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else" with the subreddit bans from today? If "offensive ideas" falls under this umbrella, why not just say we are banning offensive ideas? I feel like the language about harassment and annoyance is a thin veil, that started as a narrow definiteion but is now expanding to just mean "offensive;" I have to say, I feel like I called this two months ago when this whole debacle started:

                                                    I guarantee this is what is happening. Banning the blatantly racist subs, etc, would be too obviously based on disagreement with viewpoints - they are moving slowly and widening the meaning of "harassing" subreddits as they go.

                                                    I don't really disagree with this decision, by the way -- I just feel like the reasons put forth continue to be disingenuous.

                                                    [–]until0 34ポイント35ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                    Why don't you just ban SRS? Seriously, why do you keep defending them. Half of this thread is saying your word is usless due to your blatant hypocrisy, and they are not wrong...

                                                    I don't understand why you don't just follow suit, they clearly break the rules you've just laid out, but yet, you'd rather annoy your users and provide shelter for a bastion of hate, then do what is not only expected, but morally correct.

                                                    [–]The_Homestarmy 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    How will this affect /r/hulkhogan, brother?

                                                    [–]xienze 186ポイント187ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                    Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                                    And yet, SRS remains.

                                                    [–]dustfeather 26ポイント27ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                    Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else

                                                    Sooo... who is getting banned?

                                                    [–]james52312 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    So many subreddits now have to be banned because of the new policy..

                                                    I wonder, if all of them will actually be banned or if the admins are just nitpicking what they want to get rid of..

                                                    [–]0O0Ooo0 54ポイント55ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Here's a quick list for you to check out:

                                                    /r/shitredditsays

                                                    /r/shitredditsays

                                                    /r/shitredditsays

                                                    /r/shitredditsays

                                                    /r/shitredditsays

                                                    /r/shitredditsays

                                                    /r/shitredditsays

                                                    /r/shitredditsays

                                                    /r/shitredditsays

                                                    [–]Lumpyguy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Ban SRS already.

                                                    Why haven't you banned SRS yet? They are the WORST offenders of breaking the rules you have set up, but you refuse to ban that subreddit.

                                                    Why? Why do you continue to let SRS harrass people? Why do you continue to let SRS doxx people? Why do you continue to let SRS vote brigade? What makes SRS any different from Coontown? Or fatpeoplehate? Or Watchniggersdie?

                                                    Is it a racial thing? Are you only banning racists? Do you not give a shit about anything else? What is going on?

                                                    You keep on talking about being open with what you're doing, but you don't tell us anything about what we want to know.

                                                    What is even the point? Why are you even talking right now? Just letting us simmer in the absent silence is basically the same as what you're having us do right now.

                                                    "I believe this policies strike the right balance." Also, some people are exempt from them. Apparently.

                                                    [–]Sualtaim 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    Our policies are not changing dramatically from what we have had in the past. One new concept is Quarantining a community, which entails applying a set of restrictions to a community so its content will only be viewable to those who explicitly opt in. We will Quarantine communities whose content would be considered extremely offensive to the average redditor.

                                                    Can you provide a list of Quarantined subreddits?

                                                    [–]geekgreg 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    The content guidelines refer to a harassment policy which uses the words "bully" and then "demean" as a part of harassment.

                                                    Could we get some clarification on those terms?

                                                    [–]ThrowGoToGo 86ポイント87ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                    Still murky as all hell. TL; DR: Subs we like will stay (SRS), subs we don't like will go (FPH variants, coontown).

                                                    [–]kecos 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Like other people have said it would be nice to see a list of what's banned. Nice to see coontown is one of them though.

                                                    [–]BurningStoicism 27ポイント28ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                    we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else

                                                    Yet, I see the anti-white hate of /r/blackladies is still around, and the constantly harassing and brigading /r/shitredditsays is still around. Nice way to cherrypick your "hate", isn't it?

                                                    [–]SteelSaxon 70ポイント71ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    No supporter of Coontown but this is ridiculous

                                                    Arbitrary definitions of what gets banned and what doesn't, what makes Reddit worse and what doesn't. It won't work and in the long run you'll fight a never ending war to please everyone and end up pleasing nobody. How SRS didn't make the cut for a ban since it interferes in every Sub when Coontown was relatively contained is case in point.

                                                    [–]Travv 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Reddit was supposed to be a reflection of the internet. While I have no vested interest in hate subs or even sympathy, this is the wrong decision. I encourage everyone to check out voat now that the Reddit founders are trying to make that marketing dollar. It's the spiritual successor to this site. Signups are open randomly this week.

                                                    [–]KATYNBESTDAYOFMYLIFE 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Reddit is for truly authentic conversations, except for the fact unpopular opinions get downvoted and what we don't agree with is banned.

                                                    [–]Aylesbury 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    nor do we tolerate communities dedicated to fostering harassing behavior.

                                                    That harassing individuals around here isn't okay should be pretty clear, especially since Reddit still doesn't have a block function (a function that you'd usually take for granted), but the way it's phrased it just sounds like an excuse to close down subs that are a bit uncomfortable in your opinion, by claiming that they are "fostering harassing behavior". There are many people who are a bit "misguided" but I'd rather they'd keep circle jerking in their subs, rather than spread it everywhere, as it has happened in the past.

                                                    Speaking of the devil:

                                                    Today we removed [...] a handful of other communities that violate the spirit of the policy by making Reddit worse for everyone else: /r/CoonTown, /r/WatchNiggersDie, /r/bestofcoontown, /r/koontown, /r/CoonTownMods, /r/CoonTownMeta.

                                                    You can not get rid of people's negative feelings and opinions, at least not by trying to "ban" them. You accomplish nothing. I wonder what you'll ban next. Maybe something that isn't flat out hateful, but simply disagreeable?

                                                    [–]Saint_Judas 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    I don't mind censorship on Reddit (after all it is your platform) but it is the hypocrisy that bugs me. Banning ideas, while saying you only ban actions, while certain subreddits actively engage in the actions you say you are preventing but are given free reign. I would be so much happier with these decisions if you just straight up told us that you are banning things the board members don't like.

                                                    [–]Richard_Nixon__ 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors

                                                    That is literally SRS, and it's a sub you refuse to even consider banning.

                                                    [–]Akudra 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Our policies are not changing dramatically from what we have had in the past.

                                                    The update to the policy:

                                                    we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                                    Seems like a pretty dramatic change to me as it is effectively a "whatever sticks" clause to justify banning any sub you find undesirable.

                                                    When are you going to update the values page to erase all this free speech business that you seem to no longer care about?

                                                    [–]thegoodstudyguide 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    I hate to defend it in any form but according to the spirit of this new policy update /r/coontown should have been quarantined and subs like SRS should have been banned, seeing as SRS targets specific redditors where as coontown is just a general racism forum.

                                                    [–]blanketswithsmallpox 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    To those with RES, turn off night mode when reading it.

                                                    [–]Doonce 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Why not just quarantine communities like /r/CoonTown or /r/fatpeoplehate and allow users to opt-in to seeing them? As far as I know, coontown wasn't brigading. Even if it was, you said that technology was the best tool against brigading and won't be outright banning /r/ShitRedditSays because of that reason. You really need to find a balance here that allows people free access to what content they want to see, regardless of your opinion of the content.

                                                    [–]CruelHandLuke7 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    So Reddit is becoming more and more of a SJW hangout? What's next /u/spez ......a merger with Tumblr?

                                                    [–]soul_seek 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    Why is CoonTown banned when you specifically said it wouldn't be just a few weeks ago?

                                                    [–]Hammerhart 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    we are banning a handful of communities that ... generally make Reddit worse for everyone else

                                                    This is utter bullshit /u/Spez and you know it. I never ever go to /r/CoonTown so their activity doesn't make Reddit worse for me. I sub to the subs I want to. No one is forcing me to look at those subs.

                                                    Look like Pao was replace with another puppet to carry out this censorship crusade. This is a sad day for Reddit.

                                                    [–]excoriator 37ポイント38ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                                    IMO, this describes the "drama" subreddits.

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