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Content Policy Update (self.announcements)

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Today we are releasing an update to our Content Policy. Our goal was to consolidate the various rules and policies that have accumulated over the years into a single set of guidelines we can point to.

Thank you to all of you who provided feedback throughout this process. Your thoughts and opinions were invaluable. This is not the last time our policies will change, of course. They will continue to evolve along with Reddit itself.

Our policies are not changing dramatically from what we have had in the past. One new concept is Quarantining a community, which entails applying a set of restrictions to a community so its content will only be viewable to those who explicitly opt in. We will Quarantine communities whose content would be considered extremely offensive to the average redditor.

Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else. Our most important policy over the last ten years has been to allow just about anything so long as it does not prevent others from enjoying Reddit for what it is: the best place online to have truly authentic conversations.

I believe these policies strike the right balance.

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[–]Cheech5 543ポイント544ポイント  (983子コメント)

Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else. Our most important policy over the last ten years has been to allow just about anything so long as it does not prevent others from enjoying Reddit for what it is: the best place online to have truly authentic conversations

Which communities have been banned?

[–]spez[S,A] 1037ポイント1038ポイント x3 (923子コメント)

Today we removed communities dedicated to animated CP and a handful of other communities that violate the spirit of the policy by making Reddit worse for everyone else: /r/CoonTown, /r/WatchNiggersDie, /r/bestofcoontown, /r/koontown, /r/CoonTownMods, /r/CoonTownMeta.

[–]AirPhforce 170ポイント171ポイント  (38子コメント)

I'm actually shocked you did it.

I was thinking for-sure they would just become an ad-free subreddit dedicated to hate hidden behind an 'opt-in' wall.

Edit; /r/Kiketown is still there. No ads for them, as they have been whitelisted by reddit staff for ad-free status, less trolls because you have to be email verified, and no spam bots because you have to opt in. You actually made life better for them. Guess I'm not shocked at all.

/r/kiketown got the reddit seal of approval! We did it reddit.

Other "Acceptable subreddits according to /u/spez":

[–]Delphizer 69ポイント70ポイント  (1子コメント)

This doesn't look like a comprehensive list, and even if you constantly updated it here, it seems there should be some place that lists what subreddits have been banned and quarantined and what rules they broke.

Transparency and all that.

Maybe not top priority but I've seen a few call outs for something like that in many comments in many posts and it's largely been ignored. I'm assuming as it's been ignored the agreement is such a place won't exist. A comment one way or another would be appreciated.

[–]Fistedandfurious 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does this mean you will enforce fairness policies in TIL, and not allow them to ban people for posting Department of Justice facts?

What about in r/news? Will you enforce equal representation of news about crimes? Will you keep things fair and limit the number of posts about crime involving different groups to reflect the percentage of crimes that group commits?

Reddit is a PC version of tumbler now. I'm done with it.

Oh and I guess only white people can be racist?

[–]Cheech5 185ポイント186ポイント  (4子コメント)

Thank you for the response, it's greatly appreciated. I wasn't concerned with any one particular subreddit, but the overall goal of transparency being upheld.

[–]Number357 299ポイント300ポイント  (111子コメント)

but not /r/shitredditsays? Not /r/AgainstMensRights? Hateful, bigoted communities that actually do invade other subs? Apparently only certain types of bigotry and brigading aren't tolerated here. I wouldn't have much problem with seeing /r/coontown go if your hate speech policy were actually fairly enacted, but this picking and choosing is the reason why many people were opposed to the hate speech policy to begin with. A former admin runs SRS and a former CEO mods a sub that endorses AMR, so can't say I'm surprised that reddit staff don't have any problem with those communities.

EDIT: Since this is gaining traction, I'd like to say this about hate speech: Hate speech is by its nature subjective, which is why banning it is generally a bad idea. Here is a 2.5 hour speech by Warren Farrell. In it, he talks about things like boys falling behind in education or the fact that males are far more likely to commit suicide than women. There is nothing hateful in that speech, yet the campus feminist group protested his speech in the weeks leading up to it. They tried to get it cancelled and ripped down the flyers for it, and finally staged this protest to physically prevent anybody from entering. Because to many college feminists, simply acknowledging men's issues is "hate speech." Simply talking about the fact that boys are 30% more likely to drop out of school is hate speech. Simply mentioning that men are 4x more likely to commit suicide is hate speech. Please watch both the video and the protest, and keep in mind that the people calling for hate speech to be banned are the people who wanted Warren Farrell's speech banned for being "hate speech." Similar protests involving pulling fire alarms to shut down talks about male victims of domestic violence have also happened.

The problem with banning hate speech is that not everybody agrees on what hate speech is, and a lot of people consider legitimate discussions of men's issues to be "hate speech" that should be banned. Which is why a lot of us object to bans on hate speech.

[–]ANharper 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

The problem with this policy is that it's not objectively enforceable. Anything can be interpreted to be for "solely annoying other redditors". CoonTown is/was a horrible subreddit, but this was the DNA that made this site famous -- the promise that it was a completely open platform without censorship.

If you replace the platform born of the promise of freedom, with one that openly espouses banning "undesirable" (by whom??) subreddits, you are turning this site into its own antithesis, an omnipotently curated, handed-from-on-high, top-down nanny state. ANYTHING can be interpreted as annoying or insensitive, if one's pressure group is strong and loud enough. Reddit was once a safe-haven free from pressure groups. Anyone's voice could be heard, because the admins were not the moral police, but just the nerdy tech support. Now you've made admins the moral police, and reddit a nanny state.

[–]jabberwockxeno 48ポイント49ポイント  (6子コメント)

animated CP

What does this mean, exactly? As in, like, drawings? That seems silly to me (Think of the fictional children!)

EDIT: Yes, that's what it was. I can understand that you guys don't want that content here (if I was running a site, I wouldn't either, but it does fall under you banning stuff you simply disagree with, which goes against what you said before.

[–]Fryes 126ポイント127ポイント  (9子コメント)

/r/rapingwomen also banned.

Edit: Apparently it was banned prior to today.

[–]snakespm 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

So all these subreddits have an obvious theme going. Are you only banning racist subreddits or will others be put on the chopping block?

[–]BizarroBizarro 53ポイント54ポイント  (23子コメント)

/r/CoonTown is going to be leaking all over the place in the coming days. Should be interesting.

[–]alphetasauce 530ポイント531ポイント  (129子コメント)

So since your content policy is to ban subreddits that exist solely to harass other redditors, when are you banning /r/shitredditsays?

[–]JamisonP 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

No love for any of those subs, but didn't you expressly say in your AMA that you weren't banning Coontown because it didn't violate your rules?

Did you change yours rules? And ShitRedditSays makes reddit worse for everyone else, when is that getting banned.

[–]emokantu 23ポイント24ポイント  (16子コメント)

What were the "animated CP" subreddits banned?

[–]Rammus74 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does the animated CP mean all the loli stuff or something else?

[–]Heiminator 249ポイント250ポイント  (102子コメント)

What about /r/ShitRedditSays and similar subreddits? Or are you only gonna ban discriminatory subreddits when they target ethnic minorities?

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      [–]slyf 283ポイント284ポイント  (58子コメント)

      This page (https://www.reddit.com/about/alien/) says that

      Remember: "reddit" is always lowercase.

      But your Content Policy spells it with a capital R, has this branding changed?

      [–]spez[S] 366ポイント367ポイント  (50子コメント)

      Yep, we're changing our style guide as well. It's a pain to start a sentence with reddit.

      [–]bigblades 240ポイント241ポイント  (12子コメント)

      This new Reddit is not the reddit I have come to know and love. All the other changes I could abide by but this will not stand. I'm going to need to get a new sticker now damnit.

      [–]kn0thing[A] 26ポイント27ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Your sticker is still canon. The logo will not change. That'll still have a lowercase "r" -- it's just for making it easier to type sentences that start with Reddit. That, and everyone has basically been using the capitalized R anyway, from the press to wikipedia.

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        [–]bakonydraco 56ポイント57ポイント  (5子コメント)

        I was on board and appreciative with everything else but capitalizing the 'r' in 'reddit' is a bridge too far. IS THIS WHERE WE RIOT?!

        Keep up the great work!

        [–]Theliamist 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Will there be a list of all the letters you will be capitalising from now on? Or are you just going to keep us in the dark? Transparency my ass.

        /s

        [–]slyf 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Excellent, thanks for the clarification!

        [–]Racker150 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

        This is the end of "reddit". RIP

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            [–]TheMentalist10 267ポイント268ポイント  (40子コメント)

            Will you be sharing information about the communities which are Quarantined? Will moderators of those communities know if their subreddit has been affected?

            Edit: Just as it's not immediately obvious, /r/Coontown has been banned

            Edit 2: Here's what it looks like when you try to access a Quarantined subreddit

            [–]spez[S,A] 135ポイント136ポイント  (26子コメント)

            They receive a message, yes.

            [–]booklover13 32ポイント33ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Will there be a list of quarantined subs keep so we which have been quarantined? Will there be an appeal process for a quarantined sub or a way for them to be quarantined if they can make the necessary changes?

            [–]TheMentalist10 37ポイント38ポイント  (7子コメント)

            Thanks for clarifying. I'm glad to see reddit taking a firmer, less fence-sitting stance on the matter.

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                [–]ChangloriousBastard 84ポイント85ポイント  (17子コメント)

                Under "Enforcement", shadowbanning is not listed. I know the list is not comprehensive, but does that mean that shadowbanning will no longer be used to enforce the rules as illustrated in the updated content policy?

                [–]spez[S] 55ポイント56ポイント  (14子コメント)

                It will always be a useful tool for fighting spammers, but we are working as fast as we can on more nuanced tools for users who violate other rules so they have a chance to learn from their mistakes.

                [–]jpflathead 33ポイント34ポイント  (3子コメント)

                exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else

                Clearly SRS is not even on the same continent as bad as /r/c..t..n but SRS does exist solely to harass people on reddit and their mission statement is to make reddit's life miserable. And you are letting them succeed.

                SRS, and AMR are not there to discuss ideas. They are there to stifle dissent, police ideas, shame/slander/harass people and keep ideas they dislike from being an acceptable part of conversation.

                As one example: explain why most of reddit now uses np links and srs refuses to use np links.

                You can allow them to exist, but you should stop giving them preferential treatment, either out of cowardice, or out of cowardice.

                [–]jimlast3 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                As a former shadow banned person , I'd like to thank you.

                Keep up the good work

                [–]Zezombye 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                It is still a useful tool against spammers though? What's preventing spammers to check their user page to see if they're not banned, and then creating a new account? Doesn't most spammers by now have something to bypass shadowbans, and doesn't shadowbans only inconvenience real users?

                [–]midasz 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                It will never be a useful tool for fighting spammers since spammers can simply write a script to check if they're shadowbanned. C'mon spez, you need to quit the shadowbans. They only hurt actual users.

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                    [–]dwchief 34ポイント35ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    If a user is subscribed to a Quarantined subreddit, will it still appear on their front page?

                    [–]raldi 109ポイント110ポイント  (74子コメント)

                    I'm sure some of you are rushing to find the Imgur link about how ripping out someone's tongue doesn't prove them wrong, and that the real answer is to engage them in debate.

                    But it doesn't really apply, because nobody's tongue was ripped out. The bigots have already migrated to another site, and they're doing just fine.

                    Shockingly, it doesn't look like the conversation going on over there in any way resembles an intellectually-honest debate on racial issues.

                    [–]spez[S,A] 25ポイント26ポイント  (28子コメント)

                    It's more than that, even. We take banning very seriously, which is why it takes so long for us to do it. In this case, a small group of people were causing on outsized amount of harm to Reddit.

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                      [–]zachlac 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

                      Soooooo...shadowbanning? Do you shadow ban for violation of content policy violations? At what point in the list of punishments would this fall?

                      [–]spez[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      Right now it's all we've got, but no, I don't think shadowbanning is appropriate beyond spam.

                      [–]WhiteFlight2 124ポイント125ポイント  (117子コメント)

                      I thought you were going to provide a link with why a subreddit was banned. /r/coontown, despite being reviled amongst some users didn't appear to violate any of the rules. It also did well to enforce additional rules that places like SRS flaunt. Why was /r/coontown banned, specifically?

                      [–]spez[S] -56ポイント-55ポイント  (106子コメント)

                      As I stated in the post

                      exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else

                      [–]senatorskeletor 71ポイント72ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      I appreciate the general idea of what you're doing and I'd never defend /r/coontown. But "generally make Reddit worse for everyone else" is so vague as to have no meaning.

                      [–]SteelSaxon 125ポイント126ポイント  (24子コメント)

                      Which one did it break though? I don't believe it existed for the 'sole' purpose to annoy other redditors, and you haven't provided any proof of them doing so. In your new Reddit Coontown would be quarantined so I don't know how they can get in the way of 'improving reddit' and how can a sub that only had 20k(?) subs make 'Reddit worse for everyone' when most users didn't even know it existed or even cared. So how did it break the rules?

                      [–]TheSpekio 67ポイント68ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      So basically whatever you deem so. Thanks for listening about our complaints about nebulous regulations and doing nothing to clarify them.

                      [–]Omoikane13 44ポイント45ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Really shot yourself in the foot there by posting the part of your policy that supports SRS being banned.

                      [–]WhiteFlight2 123ポイント124ポイント  (8子コメント)

                      SRS annoys literally everyone on reddit. Even when you try to escape it, you can find one of your posts on their site and then you're harassed until they move on to the next person. Why are they not banned as they fit at least two of the three criteria. Edit: So is it safe to assume that /r/coontown was a liability to the brand?

                      [–]DdMDaniels 87ポイント88ポイント  (6子コメント)

                      /u/spez please answer this, why isn't /r/shitredditsays banned when pretty much all they do is brigade and harass other users? https://www.reddit.com/r/SRSsucks/comments/3fc9qg/update_im_the_girl_who_received_rape_threats/

                      [–]2comment 86ポイント87ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Just say you started banning ideas, not just behavior.

                      No need to bullshit us.

                      [–]BasedFoles 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      The only interaction Coontown had with other subs was when they were directly called out. Unless you're saying /r/AgainstHateSubreddits can annoy /r/CoonTown but they cannot respond, in which case just admit what you're really doing here.

                      [–]Jealousy123 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      /r/coontown didn't violate any of those rules so stop lying straight to the communities face. It existed because enough of a minority of redditors disliked certain groups of people enough to create a subreddit where literally the majority of the content is complaining about black people. Not death threats, not plans for lynchings, not cross burning. Just getting on the internet and complaining about things black people do.

                      Hell, that in and of itself gives it a reason to exist aside from "annoying other redditors" which /r/coontown barely even touched when compared to other subreddits that you STILL HAVEN'T BANNED such as /r/shitredditsays.

                      Second rule, how did they prevent you from improving Reddit? Name one single instance of an "improvement" to reddit that was successfully prevented from implementation thanks to the 20k subscribers over at /r/coontown.

                      And as for rule 3, they barely ever interacted with the rest of reddit. Hell, I bet pretty much the only time they interacted with the rest of reddit were when their posts got enough upvotes to make it to /r/all.

                      So I'll say it again. Stop lying to the community and just admit that you're censoring ideas, not actions.

                      Place for free discussion my ass.

                      [–]KYLO__REN 109ポイント110ポイント  (12子コメント)

                      So why isn't SRS banned? That's literally why that subreddit exists, to annoy other redditors.

                      [–]Wyrm 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      That's a good description for SRS. Stop ignoring it already.

                      [–]Goatsac 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else

                      CoonTown hid off in their private little corner, and it was the poutraged that made it a point to link to them every chance they got.

                      [–]A_Mouse_In_Da_House 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      So it's entirely based upon opinion. Good to know nothing has changed.

                      [–]cheald 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Does the ban fall under "prevent us from improving Reddit" then? Because I'm not sure that it falls under the other bullet points.

                      (And does that prevention take the form of "its existence is a PR nightmare"?)

                      I honestly can't figure out why you've banned coontown (though I'm certainly not at all sympathetic to them). Maybe I just avoid the places they tend to intersect, but my understanding is that they don't soly exist to annoy others and they seem to be a pretty self-contained ball of hate rather than a big splash of it all over the site. All I'm left with is "it makes Reddit worse because the PR is untenable", and that's kinda icky. I thought that they were basically the whole reason for the quarantine idea; developing quarantine and banning coontown in the same stroke seems really odd to me.

                      And yeah, throwing my voice behind the "but not r/srs?" chorus, too. They are the poster child for Things That Violate This List Of Rules.

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                          [–]illegal_deagle 335ポイント336ポイント  (139子コメント)

                          Unfortunately it looks like SRS will continue to enjoy their harassment and downvote brigading.

                          Edit: Come on, guys. I make a comment about downvote brigading and y'all mass downvote /u/spez for actually responding when he didn't have to.

                          [–]spez[S] -210ポイント-209ポイント  (126子コメント)

                          For the the time being we believe that brigading is best fought with technology, which we are actively working on.

                          [–]Synsc 137ポイント138ポイント  (45子コメント)

                          For the the time being we believe that brigading is best fought with technology, which we are actively working on.

                          What does that mean exactly?

                          [–]spez[S] -51ポイント-50ポイント  (31子コメント)

                          It means that we can see downvoting brigades in that data, and we are working on preventing them from working. We used to do this in the past, and it worked quite well.

                          [–]missmymom 93ポイント94ポイント  (9子コメント)

                          Spez,

                          Help me out here please. In the content policy you define bullying as "Harassment on Reddit is defined as systematic and/or continued actions to torment or demean someone in a way that would make a reasonable person conclude that reddit is not a safe platform to express their ideas or participate in the conversation". I would say if someone is posted on SRS the sole purpose it shame and bully that person for the comments they are making (rightfully or not). I would say that fits under this definition does it not?

                          Also, was fatpeoplehate not banned for this exact behavior? We've seen SRS publish a list of usernames targeted at particular subreddits, wouldn't that also be a tool to help make this harassment and bullying easier?

                          I'm asking for clarification of the rules and how it appears at least they are not applied equally.

                          Thank you, Missmymom

                          [–]Ultimate_Cabooser 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          That still doesn't mean anything. They're blatantly violating the "exist solely to annoy other redditors" and they make Reddit a lot worse for everyone who isn't them.

                          The "we don't need to remove them because we're developing technology that won't let them break the rules" could be said about a shit ton of subreddits that were removed.

                          I'm not in the "fatpeoplehate shouldn't have been removed"-circlejerk, because I agree it was shitty and was rightly removed, but the "it doesn't need to be removed because we're working on technology that doesn't let them break the rules" argument could have been used for that. If you remove subreddits like that, you have to remove SRS.

                          [–]SteelSaxon 41ポイント42ポイント  (10子コメント)

                          What about the fact that SRS to their very core are as Toxic a community as Coontown? How is that not a factor for one but is for the other.

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                              [–]Toucanzhigher 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors

                              It isn't just a brigading concern the sub was literally created to harass and piss off other redditors. But you're ok with some of that content so long as its more on the PC spectrum right?

                              [–]Didalectic 72ポイント73ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              We are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                              Please explain how Shit Reddit Says doesn't fall under that definition. Why did Coontown get banned, despite not even breaking that first criterium? It's insulting to your product to think we are unable to see the inconsistency here, such that not banning SRS also fulfills the third criterium: 'prevents us from improving Reddit.'

                              It allows the current atmosphere of hostility based on (perceived) inconsistency and bullshitting to continue and even grow deeper.

                              [–]DdMDaniels 124ポイント125ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              /r/shitredditsays also sends threats and personal attacks against the users they link to, they are a hate group https://www.reddit.com/r/SRSsucks/comments/3fc9qg/update_im_the_girl_who_received_rape_threats/

                              [–]SleepingLesson 108ポイント109ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors

                              Seems like the explicit purpose of SRS, does it not?

                              [–]Stone_tigris 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Do you still agree with the use of shadow bans to stop it until you come up with something better? It just seems like such a bad interim system to still be using.

                              [–]homer_chimpson 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Man, I can smell the HORSE SHIT from my computer.

                              [–]LukeTheFisher 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Holy shit. Will the rules ever apply to those guys or will you constantly move goalposts for them? I like how "harassment" gets redefined just for that specific sub. Good job on the rest of the subs. Confused as fuck about the loli sub being banned though.

                              [–]JohnStalvern 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              What about the fact that they dox?

                              What about the fact that their stated purpose is to make reddit look bad and hurt it?

                              SRS is a left-leaning counterpart to many other shitty subs (some of which are/were banned) but it gets a pass.

                              [–]Pennigans 40ポイント41ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              SRS exists solely to harass other users and is the biggest brigading subreddit. They even have a list of users they downvote upon sight! Wouldn't it be obvious just to ban them?

                              [–]Baelorn 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              So you're explicitly stating that you're aware of the SRS network's brigading but do not currently have any plans to deal with it?

                              [–]DeadAleWives 48ポイント49ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              Fuck that shit. Ban SRS like you banned coontown. Stop being biased towards subs that harrass that you guys agree with.

                              [–]ardbeg 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Well why not "quarantine" it until you can figure out a technology that is even partially effective?

                              [–]Deadeye207 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Which is why fatpeoplehate was wasn't banned for "brigading" right? Oh wait. The hypocrisy is fucking real.

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                                  [–]Teh_Compass 91ポイント92ポイント  (67子コメント)

                                  Quarantining is a good step from outright banning. But banning more subreddits in addition to that isn't going to solve anything.

                                  Banning subreddits that break the TOS like harassing users and such makes sense, but you can't go and ban subreddits that don't, no matter how much people don't like them.

                                  /r/fatpeoplehate, for example, was annoying to people but could easily be ignored. It didn't need to be banned initially. But I totally understand that it was banned for the brigading it did. I was subscribed to one of the subreddits that was being brigaded and its users harassed.

                                  /r/coontown, for example is easily ignored and doesn't deserve to be banned, even if they are racist as shit. I hear rumors about brigading but I personally don't know enough about it. If there is evidence that they are doing something like that then by all means ban them. But just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they should be banned.

                                  You essentially run the site and can do whatever you want. But remember what the users want.

                                  [–]spez[S] -104ポイント-103ポイント  (43子コメント)

                                  We didn't ban them because we disagree with them. We banned them because this exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                  [–]RealHumanHere 57ポイント58ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  That is the damn definition of /r/ShitRedditSays. They are constantly annoying, harassing, doxxing and following reddittors around the site and make us feel unsafe. They follow people everywhere, they link to their post, they brigade them. It makes us feel unsafe and afraid of speaking our minds on this site. And that breaks reddit's new rules.

                                  Apply this to everybody fairly or people will leave this site.

                                  [–]lhateapes 42ポイント43ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  We banned them because this exist solely to annoy other redditors

                                  This is the definition of SRS yet you didn't ban them. I wouldn't be pissed about your dumb rules if they were at least equal for every side of the coin, but the fact that you only target the non SJW subs is just too much hypocrisy.

                                  [–]missmymom 80ポイント81ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Isn't this exactly what SRS is doing? It's purpose is to quote and shame people for the conversations they have on Reddit?

                                  [–]omcagk 104ポイント105ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                  SRS also exists solely to annoy other redditors. They encourage commenting on the threads linked there. Ban all brigade subs.

                                  [–]IAmAnAnonymousCoward 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  We banned them because this exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                  That's horribly subjective.

                                  [–]SteelSaxon 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  You keep saying that but you aren't proving it. Show us proof.

                                  [–]IPhone6SroseGold 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Just a couple weeks ago you said attempting to silence ideas you don't like isn't the answer...

                                  [–]KYLO__REN 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  We banned them because this exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                  SRS defined.

                                  [–]theimpolitegentleman 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Andddddd SRS fits every criteria you listed.

                                  You guys need to stop fiddling around and be straight with the community with the exact relationship the management of reddit has with SRS.

                                  You (collectively) have consistently Weasled out of answering any hard questions about anything related to SRS.

                                  If you plan on ever making a sustainable long lasting entity through reddit the bull needs to stop and start acting like non biased adults instead of two faced bbs moderators who have an agenda.

                                  [–]xavierfox42 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  exist solely to annoy other redditors

                                  So you're saying /r/coontown brigaded and targets users outside their sub for harassment? The consensus seems to be that they largely kept to themselves. Do you believe otherwise?

                                  prevent us from improving Reddit

                                  In what way did they prevent you from improving reddit? From a technological standpoint? This doesn't make sense.

                                  and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else

                                  Again, if they kept to themselves, which they seem to have done, then there would have been no impact on "everyone else".

                                  [–]imariaprime 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Can you say, in no uncertain terms, that you believe SRS has not broken those rules as you have stated them?

                                  [–]The-Dead-kennedys 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Why haven't you banned srs then ?

                                  [–]TeddyTacos 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  That is exactly why SRS exists!

                                  [–]MaDaFaKaS 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  This is the entire point of /r/Subredditdrama /r/gamerghazi and /r/shitredditsays, the title of SRS right now is "Chill all men"

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                                      [–]Naked_Bacon_Tuesday 63ポイント64ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else. Our most important policy over the last ten years has been to allow just about anything so long as it does not prevent others from enjoying Reddit for what it is: the best place online to have truly authentic conversations.

                                      If you do plan to ban subs, I'm sure reddit would enjoy an itemized list of ban reasons/offenses by each sub. This shouldn't necessarily include a link or something to an example of the offense, but the list provided should be detailed enough for a reasonable person to say, "OK, yeah, that's clear enough to require the ban."

                                      But the bans should definitely be released and reasons for them made clear.

                                      [–]CarmineCerise 144ポイント145ポイント  (32子コメント)

                                      Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                      Will there be a clear list of banned subreddits?

                                      [–]Xet 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      Regarding Quarantining: Would you ever quarantine a large subreddit like /r/wtf?

                                      A community will be Quarantined on Reddit when we deem its content to be extremely offensive or upsetting to the average redditor.

                                      One could argue that the very gorey types of pictures that appear on /r/wtf would be pretty upsetting. I know I've accidentally clicked on /r/wtf images when I temporarily disabled my own RES filters, and honestly of all things on the site, some of the stuff there is more troubling to me than discriminatory self text posts.

                                      [–]spez[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      No, because the mods of r/wtf are generally good about tagging things as NSFW.

                                      [–]Xet 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      As a furtherance to that, what if a quarantined subreddit then just made all posts nsfw by default? Would the quarantine be removed?

                                      [–]Facerless 42ポイント43ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      • Encourages or incites violence
                                      • Threatens, harasses, or bullies or encourages others to do so

                                      Are these going to be used against communities that are centered around the pre-existing hatred or dislike of a group or person?

                                      I realize this is nit picking but this is still fairly vague

                                      What constitutes encouragement or how will you decide what incites someone to action?

                                      [–]BillW87 130ポイント131ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                      For the sake of transparency I feel like it would be best to make the list of banned communities public. With all of the concerns lately about the admins not being transparent enough, banning subs without telling us who they are seems counterproductive.

                                      [–]musicandwords 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      I am surprised nobody has mentioned that by collecting emails for quarentined subs you are essentially creating a database of users who read content you deem 'questionable'. What does verifying the email accomplish? This seems overly broad and Orwellian.

                                      [–]spez[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      It adds friction to the signup process, which we hope will cause people to think twice before opting in.

                                      [–]Mobre 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      Can you explain the difference between these two?

                                      We will Quarantine communities whose content would be considered extremely offensive to the average redditor.

                                      and

                                      we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditers, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else

                                      and how /r/coontown applies to the latter rather than the former? Because it seems that the application of who is quarantined and who is banned overlap and is completely up to the arbitrary decision of the admin rather then an explicit and defined rule set.

                                      [–]GamersCorp 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                      Can you give us any examples of specific subreddits that will be quarantined?

                                      [–]edafade 183ポイント184ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      Subs like /r/coontown are banned (in fact, you banned only coontown related subs) but SRS is still up and running.

                                      While I didn't agree with their ideology or what they represented, you, /u/spez stated yourself on several occasions, you did not support the beliefs of /r/coontown but believed they had a place here on reddit. SRS clearly violates reddit's Content "Policy" yet remains unaffected whereas the former did not and were contained to their own communities.

                                      It's the same shit as before, just packaged with a ribbon.

                                      Very disappointing.

                                      [–]Demolishing 68ポイント69ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                      Is involuntary pornography

                                      How will this affect stuff like /r/amateur and /r/realgirls and /r/SluttyHalloween ?

                                      [–]dragonfangxl 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                      I dont understand. Why bother making this new tool (quarantines) if you're still going to ban subreddits? Do you not trust the effectiveness of this tool? Also is there a list of the subreddits being banned?

                                      [–]zerconic 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      A community will be Quarantined on Reddit when we deem its content to be extremely offensive or upsetting to the average redditor or to ourselves.

                                      Does this also mean that reddit is endorsing any subreddits they choose not to quarantine or ban, since they are now individually censoring subreddits?

                                      [–]GreyWalker 38ポイント39ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                      A community will be Quarantined on Reddit when we deem its content to be extremely offensive or upsetting to the average redditor or to ourselves. The purpose of quarantining a community is to prevent its content from being accidentally viewed by those who do not wish to do so. Restrictions on a quarantined community include:

                                      • Requiring an account with a verified email address
                                      • Requiring an explicit opt-in
                                      • No custom images
                                      • Will generate no revenue, including ads or Reddit Gold

                                      [–]Goatsac 56ポイント57ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                      Glad to see /r/againstmensrights and /r/gamerghazi are still going strong.

                                      [–]thesexygazelle 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      With the new push for transparency I would expect that the list of banned subreddits would be published. I feel like there is a lot of talk about transparency and community involvement but not a lot of actual transparency and the community involvement seems more for posterity's sake.

                                      [–]until0 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Why don't you just ban SRS? Seriously, why do you keep defending them. Half of this thread is saying your word is usless due to your blatant hypocrisy, and they are not wrong...

                                      I don't understand why you don't just follow suit, they clearly break the rules you've just laid out, but yet, you'd rather annoy your users and provide shelter for a bastion of hate, then do what is not only expected, but morally correct.

                                      [–]xienze 143ポイント144ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                      Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                      And yet, SRS remains.

                                      [–]dustfeather 25ポイント26ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                      Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else

                                      Sooo... who is getting banned?

                                      [–]psuedopseudo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I have to say, though I think the "quarantine idea" is a good balance, the ban policy looks a lot more like content censorship that anything else. If that's the way the site will be run, that's your prerogative, but it seems like we keep sidestepping the issue while simultaneously getting closer to bans for content. I know we've moved past the concept of reddit being a forum for free speech, but let's go one step further and approach this honestly.

                                      How do you reconcile a policy strictly against "communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else" with the subreddit bans from today? If "offensive ideas" falls under this umbrella, why not just say we are banning offensive ideas? I feel like the language about harassment and annoyance is a thin veil, that started as a narrow definiteion but is now expanding to just mean "offensive;" I have to say, I feel like I called this two months ago when this whole debacle started:

                                      I guarantee this is what is happening. Banning the blatantly racist subs, etc, would be too obviously based on disagreement with viewpoints - they are moving slowly and widening the meaning of "harassing" subreddits as they go.

                                      I don't disagree with this decision, necessarily -- I just feel like the reasons put forth continue to be disingenuous.

                                      [–]ThrowGoToGo 62ポイント63ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      Still murky as all hell. TL; DR: Subs we like will stay (SRS), subs we don't like will go (FPH variants, coontown).

                                      [–]Lynch_King 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Can you own up to the fact that the subs you banned were not banned for breaking any of the new policy's rules (in fact, the rules you updated in this new policy have been on the rules of subs like coontown for a while, to avoid getting banned) but because you believed they showed the negative side of reddit?

                                      Clearly this is true because, as hundreds have already pointed out, subreddits that encourage brigading (like SRS) are still here. And they actually broke the rules. At least then people will realize you used your own morals to ban subs you didn't agree with, which is pretty dumb on a website as huge as reddit.

                                      [–]Artalay 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Out of curiosity what constitutes the "average redditor"? And if you don't have a working definition of that, what steps will you be taking towards coming up with it?

                                      [–]SteelSaxon 54ポイント55ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      No supporter of Coontown but this is ridiculous

                                      Arbitrary definitions of what gets banned and what doesn't, what makes Reddit worse and what doesn't. It won't work and in the long run you'll fight a never ending war to please everyone and end up pleasing nobody. How SRS didn't make the cut for a ban since it interferes in every Sub when Coontown was relatively contained is case in point.

                                      [–]The_Homestarmy 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      How will this affect /r/hulkhogan, brother?

                                      [–]Shintao6 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      Changing the conversation away from CT and SRS for a minute, why were Loli subs banned? They produce no illegal content or anything that violates the new Content Policy. They do not harass, threaten or worsen anyone's Redditing experience. I was fully expecting a quarantine, and would have been fine with that. I understand and respect that Loli is not everyone's cup of tea. I also get that it's your show and we play by your rules, but can we get the rule written down somewhere at least?

                                      [–]Saint_Judas 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      I don't mind censorship on Reddit (after all it is your platform) but it is the hypocrisy that bugs me. Banning ideas, while saying you only ban actions, while certain subreddits actively engage in the actions you say you are preventing but are given free reign. I would be so much happier with these decisions if you just straight up told us that you are banning things the board members don't like.

                                      [–]Richard_Nixon__ 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors

                                      That is literally SRS, and it's a sub you refuse to even consider banning.

                                      [–]IntoleranceFUCKYEAH 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Reddit isn't doing this to protect the users, they're doing this to protect the advertisers so they feel more comfortable being associated with a website like this. It's pretty simple. Why explain to your advertiser who doesn't understand Reddit, "But those subreddits, you choose to enter! It's not all bad" and give a huge explanation. Wouldn't you rather just say, "Reddit is a great place!" and not have to worry about bad subreddits?

                                      [–]soul_seek 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Why is CoonTown banned when you specifically said it wouldn't be just a few weeks ago?

                                      [–]kecos 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Like other people have said it would be nice to see a list of what's banned. Nice to see coontown is one of them though.

                                      [–]geekgreg 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      The content guidelines refer to a harassment policy which uses the words "bully" and then "demean" as a part of harassment.

                                      Could we get some clarification on those terms?

                                      [–]james52312 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      So many subreddits now have to be banned because of the new policy..

                                      I wonder, if all of them will actually be banned or if the admins are just nitpicking what they want to get rid of..

                                      [–]0O0Ooo0 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Here's a quick list for you to check out:

                                      /r/shitredditsays

                                      /r/shitredditsays

                                      /r/shitredditsays

                                      /r/shitredditsays

                                      /r/shitredditsays

                                      /r/shitredditsays

                                      /r/shitredditsays

                                      /r/shitredditsays

                                      /r/shitredditsays

                                      [–]blanketswithsmallpox 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      To those with RES, turn off night mode when reading it.

                                      [–]LargeSnorlax 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                      Out of sheer curiosity, can we get a list of specific subs that were so awful that they have to be banned immediately?

                                      [–]Ughable 179ポイント180ポイント  (35子コメント)

                                      we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors

                                      What about /r/ShitRedditSays ?!

                                      [–]KATYNBESTDAYOFMYLIFE 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Reddit is for truly authentic conversations, except for the fact unpopular opinions get downvoted and what we don't agree with is banned.

                                      [–]senorchicken 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Could we get a list of said quarantined communities?

                                      [–]username3 42ポイント43ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      "the average redditor"
                                      Yikes

                                      [–]SweetJibbaJams 59ポイント60ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                      So.... Who is getting banned?

                                      [–]excoriator 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                      IMO, this describes the "drama" subreddits.

                                      [–]DonkiestOfKongs 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      From an information security standpoint: How will you be storing the data about what quarantined subreddits I've opted into? In the event of a security breach, how easily could this information be associated with my 'verified email'?

                                      [–]Akudra 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Our policies are not changing dramatically from what we have had in the past.

                                      The update to the policy:

                                      we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                      Seems like a pretty dramatic change to me as it is effectively a "whatever sticks" clause to justify banning any sub you find undesirable.

                                      When are you going to update the values page to erase all this free speech business that you seem to no longer care about?

                                      [–]faghat 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Who decides who the "average redditor" would be? Is Reddit going to be polling this, for example? Will users be able to tell you what content we would like Quarantined, or will you just handpick a bunch that SRS whine about most frequently?

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