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[–]Number357 217ポイント218ポイント  (65子コメント)

but not /r/shitredditsays? Not /r/AgainstMensRights? Hateful, bigoted communities that actually do invade other subs? Apparently only certain types of bigotry and brigading aren't tolerated here. I wouldn't have much problem with seeing /r/coontown go if your hate speech policy were actually fairly enacted, but this picking and choosing is the reason why many people were opposed to the hate speech policy to begin with. A former admin runs SRS and a former CEO mods a sub that endorses AMR, so can't say I'm surprised that reddit staff don't have any problem with those communities.

EDIT: Since this is gaining traction, I'd like to say this about hate speech: Hate speech is by its nature subjective, which is why banning it is generally a bad idea. Here is a 2.5 hour speech by Warren Farrell. In it, he talks about things like boys falling behind in education or the fact that males are far more likely to commit suicide than women. There is nothing hateful in that speech, yet the campus feminist group protested his speech in the weeks leading up to it. They tried to get it cancelled and ripped down the flyers for it, and finally staged this protest to physically prevent anybody from entering. Because to many college feminists, simply acknowledging men's issues is "hate speech." Simply talking about the fact that boys are 30% more likely to drop out of school is hate speech. Simply mentioning that men are 4x more likely to commit suicide is hate speech. Please watch both the video and the protest, and keep in mind that the people calling for hate speech to be banned are the people who wanted Warren Farrell's speech banned for being "hate speech." Similar protests involving pulling fire alarms to shut down talks about male victims of domestic violence have also happened.

The problem with banning hate speech is that not everybody agrees on what hate speech is, and a lot of people consider legitimate discussions of men's issues to be "hate speech" that should be banned. Which is why a lot of us object to bans on hate speech.

[–]chicagofirefifa3 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apparently only certain types of bigotry

yes, super-racist shit is considered generally beyond the realms of civilized discourse. Now some people want to extend those bans to other places and others will naturally object but this isn't that move. The mensrights version of against mensrights isn't getting banned

[–]Compliant_Automaton 79ポイント80ポイント  (12子コメント)

Calling SRS hate speech always reminds me of a neo-nazi complaining about the Southern Poverty Law Center. Someone calling out a hateful group for their bullshit is not the same thing as being hateful themselves.

[–]Number357 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

One of the top posts in there now is mocking somebody for saying "men are the disposable gender." They mock the idea of male disposability. Our society views men's lives as less valuable than women's, our society expects men to sacrifice their lives for others, our society does not care when men die. Homicides with a male victim are punished less severely than homicides with a female victims, and this is true even after accounting for any other factors. When male fictional characters die it is seen as less tragic than when female fictional characters die. Men make up 93% of workplace deaths, 77% of homicides, 80% of suicides, and 97% of the people killed by police. And SRS is against anybody acknowledging or talking about any of that. And that's just one post, not even getting into their other posts defending a woman's right to falsely accuse men of rape or attacking people who think that male victims of DV shouldn't be ignored, or defending even the most extreme corners of feminism against any form of criticism.

[–]chicagofirefifa3 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

you don't have to be a neo-nazi to find left wing circlejerks hateful. coontown was banned because 99.99999999999999999% of the population finds that ideology really hateful. a version of number357's argument can work logically but in practice it doesn't. If reddit was banning non-super evil sites that are the flipside of SRS you could be worried.

[–]yggdrasils_roots -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

They're not even just left wing, they're so far left they're the new right. I don't agree with many conservative values for the most part, and I'm extremely liberal, but I think that most of the shit that goes to SRS levels are insane. There's actual social issues, and then there's bullshit that borders on Orwellian when it comes to dictating what is and is not okay for other people to do, say, think, or believe, and they cross that line.

[–]tenyardsoflinen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Protip: you're actually right wing. cya thanks

[–]OldLeopardSkin 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

Have you ever visited SRS?

[–]Compliant_Automaton 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, I did before posting. The vast majority of posts are quotes from other subreddits.

If we're going to start complaining about whoever's view we don't like, then I'd love to get rid of that red pill subreddit - but I am pretty sure that's not the point of Reddit.

Instead, I get the impression that just because something may be objectionable to some people at Reddit doesn't mean it should be banned. Hence the existence of subreddits I don't like, which are completely separate from ones you don't like.

[–]the-incredible-ape -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get the impression that just because something may be objectionable to some people at Reddit doesn't mean it should be banned.

NB: The more important factor is how much shit they get in the press for hosting a sub, not how shitty it makes the UX. Subs hating on black people or women play very badly in the press. SRS plays well in the press, so it stays. Not complicated.

[–]Will_Im_Not 30ポイント31ポイント  (7子コメント)

Haha I love how you mention /r/shitredditsays but not /r/SRSsucks. Because "harassing" a community is only bad when it goes in a certain direction.

[–]until0 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

/r/srssucks wouldn't be around if it wasn't for the harassment of SRS...

[–]Out_of_Seoul 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Clearly, that makes /r/srssucks ok

[–]until0 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not at all, but that's my point. The hate of SRS has caused additional hateful communities in response.

SRS needs to go.

[–]queenkellee -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Which wouldn't be around if reddit as a whole wasn't full of such assholes.

[–]Armagetiton 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes they would. SRS types ALWAYS find something new to complain about.

[–]until0 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They don't need to use reddit...

[–]punecityexpat 50ポイント51ポイント  (0子コメント)

comparing SRS to coontown?

jesus christ mate, you need to go out more.

[–]James_Knox_Polk 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Could you provide some evidence to support your assertion that those are even remotely comparable to /r/coontown?

[–]Colonel_Blimp 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha wow you think either of those are as bad as coontown? I know people from both and none of them have an problem with men or anything in the way people like you think. Coontown is dedicated to despising black people full stop.

[–]queenkellee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/shitredditsays

TIL that pointing out other people's racist and sexist and hateful bullshit is exactly the same as being that hateful racist asshole.

[–]A_Cylon_Raider 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

and a lot of people consider legitimate discussions of men's issues to be "hate speech" that should be banned

no, no one does

[–]Maxplatypus -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh get your "think of the poor white man!!" bullshit out of here.

[–]birdboy2000 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

They ban people for complaining about being sent rape threats from their users.

[–]somethingclvr -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll give you a hint why: it's because /r/ShitRedditSays is for exposing bigots and /r/mensrights is a hate group (per the SPLC). I can't say I'm surprised that reddit staff doesn't have any problem with subreddits where people complain about bigots.

[–]TerkRockerfeller 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

...and there's the WHAT ABOUT SRS comment

[–]Joke_Getter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, good. You guys are here.

[–]vereonix -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A lot of major mods are SRS/SJW whiteknights, so nothing will happen, and they will continue to ignore anyone like yourself who brings this up. Even though it is brought up and upvoted in these sorts of threads every time multiple times.

Something interesting I've noticed is regular active users on SRS are only active on other SRS-esque subreddits, such as SRSDiscussions, Circlebroke, SRD, Negareddit. My point being, they add no value to Reddit, if all those users were banned nothing on Reddit would change. They do nothing but take part in the Reddit-hate circlejerk subs, hating on the site they're using, but not participating in. Whereas users of "hate" subs such as coontown, and in the delusional eyes of the SRS/SJWs, subs like KiA/TiA etc, those users actually user and contribute to Reddit.

[–]Xdeser2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol as if SRS is anywhere near as bad as Coontown

[–]RedsClues 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

holy shit just shut the fuck up

[–]BonSequitur 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/isreactionarybot Number357

[–]PrellFeris -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

SRS doesn't brigade. Here's evidence.

[–]MilkAndC00kies 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is bullshit.

[–]OnlyRev0lutions -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Leave for voat. You are not wanted here.