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Content Policy Update (self.announcements)

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Today we are releasing an update to our Content Policy. Our goal was to consolidate the various rules and policies that have accumulated over the years into a single set of guidelines we can point to.

Thank you to all of you who provided feedback throughout this process. Your thoughts and opinions were invaluable. This is not the last time our policies will change, of course. They will continue to evolve along with Reddit itself.

Our policies are not changing dramatically from what we have had in the past. One new concept is Quarantining a community, which entails applying a set of restrictions to a community so its content will only be viewable to those who explicitly opt in. We will Quarantine communities whose content would be considered extremely offensive to the average redditor.

Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else. Our most important policy over the last ten years has been to allow just about anything so long as it does not prevent others from enjoying Reddit for what it is: the best place online to have truly authentic conversations.

I believe these policies strike the right balance.

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[–]Cheech5 427ポイント428ポイント  (793子コメント)

Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else. Our most important policy over the last ten years has been to allow just about anything so long as it does not prevent others from enjoying Reddit for what it is: the best place online to have truly authentic conversations

Which communities have been banned?

[–]spez[S,A] 824ポイント825ポイント x2 (735子コメント)

Today we removed communities dedicated to animated CP and a handful of other communities that violate the spirit of the policy by making Reddit worse for everyone else: /r/CoonTown, /r/WatchNiggersDie, /r/bestofcoontown, /r/koontown, /r/CoonTownMods, /r/CoonTownMeta.

[–]AirPhforce 97ポイント98ポイント  (15子コメント)

I'm actually shocked you did it.

I was thinking for-sure they would just become an ad-free subreddit dedicated to hate hidden behind an 'opt-in' wall.

Edit; /r/Kiketown is still there. No ads for them, as they have been whitelisted by reddit staff for ad-free status, less trolls because you have to be email verified, and no spam bots because you have to opt in. You actually made life better for them. Guess I'm not shocked at all.

/r/kiketown got the reddit seal of approval! We did it reddit.

[–]Cheech5 176ポイント177ポイント  (4子コメント)

Thank you for the response, it's greatly appreciated. I wasn't concerned with any one particular subreddit, but the overall goal of transparency being upheld.

[–]Delphizer 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

This doesn't look like a comprehensive list, and even if you constantly updated it here, it seems there should be some place that lists what subreddits have been banned and quarantined and what rules they broke.

Transparency and all that.

Maybe not top priority but I've seen a few call outs for something like that in many comments in many posts and it's largely been ignored. I'm assuming as it's been ignored the agreement is such a place won't exist. A comment one way or another would be appreciated.

[–]Number357 209ポイント210ポイント  (64子コメント)

but not /r/shitredditsays? Not /r/AgainstMensRights? Hateful, bigoted communities that actually do invade other subs? Apparently only certain types of bigotry and brigading aren't tolerated here. I wouldn't have much problem with seeing /r/coontown go if your hate speech policy were actually fairly enacted, but this picking and choosing is the reason why many people were opposed to the hate speech policy to begin with. A former admin runs SRS and a former CEO mods a sub that endorses AMR, so can't say I'm surprised that reddit staff don't have any problem with those communities.

EDIT: Since this is gaining traction, I'd like to say this about hate speech: Hate speech is by its nature subjective, which is why banning it is generally a bad idea. Here is a 2.5 hour speech by Warren Farrell. In it, he talks about things like boys falling behind in education or the fact that males are far more likely to commit suicide than women. There is nothing hateful in that speech, yet the campus feminist group protested his speech in the weeks leading up to it. They tried to get it cancelled and ripped down the flyers for it, and finally staged this protest to physically prevent anybody from entering. Because to many college feminists, simply acknowledging men's issues is "hate speech." Simply talking about the fact that boys are 30% more likely to drop out of school is hate speech. Simply mentioning that men are 4x more likely to commit suicide is hate speech. Please watch both the video and the protest, and keep in mind that the people calling for hate speech to be banned are the people who wanted Warren Farrell's speech banned for being "hate speech." Similar protests involving pulling fire alarms to shut down talks about male victims of domestic violence have also happened.

The problem with banning hate speech is that not everybody agrees on what hate speech is, and a lot of people consider legitimate discussions of men's issues to be "hate speech" that should be banned. Which is why a lot of us object to bans on hate speech.

[–]ANharper 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

The problem with this policy is that it's not objectively enforceable. Anything can be interpreted to be for "solely annoying other redditors". CoonTown is/was a horrible subreddit, but this was the DNA that made this site famous -- the promise that it was a completely open platform without censorship.

If you replace the platform born of the promise of freedom, with one that openly espouses banning "undesirable" (by whom??) subreddits, you are turning this site into its own antithesis, an omnipotently curated, handed-from-on-high, top-down nanny state. ANYTHING can be interpreted as annoying or insensitive, if one's pressure group is strong and loud enough. Reddit was once a safe-haven free from pressure groups. Anyone's voice could be heard, because the admins were not the moral police, but just the nerdy tech support. Now you've made admins the moral police, and reddit a nanny state.

[–]Fryes 118ポイント119ポイント  (8子コメント)

/r/rapingwomen also banned.

Edit: Apparently it was banned prior to today.

[–]emokantu 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

What were the "animated CP" subreddits banned?

[–]snakespm 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

So all these subreddits have an obvious theme going. Are you only banning racist subreddits or will others be put on the chopping block?

[–]jabberwockxeno 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

animated CP

What does this mean, exactly? As in, like, drawings? That seems a little silly to me (Think of the fictional children!)

[–]alphetasauce 450ポイント451ポイント  (109子コメント)

So since your content policy is to ban subreddits that exist solely to harass other redditors, when are you banning /r/shitredditsays?

[–]BizarroBizarro 39ポイント40ポイント  (17子コメント)

/r/CoonTown is going to be leaking all over the place in the coming days. Should be interesting.

[–]JamisonP 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No love for any of those subs, but didn't you expressly say in your AMA that you weren't banning Coontown because it didn't violate your rules?

Did you change yours rules? And ShitRedditSays makes reddit worse for everyone else, when is that getting banned.

[–]AmericanYidGunner 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors.

This is weak as fuck, since when could you not just ignore a sub?

[–]Heiminator 223ポイント224ポイント  (88子コメント)

What about /r/ShitRedditSays and similar subreddits? Or are you only gonna ban discriminatory subreddits when they target ethnic minorities?

[–]Zorseking34 63ポイント64ポイント  (13子コメント)

Can you please ban /r/Kiketown then /u/spez?

[–]Enantiomorphism 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

I know there are going to be a lot of complaints about this, but honestly, those subreddits added nothing to the community and had users regularly post racist drivel in other subreddits.

[–]Wayrin 53ポイント54ポイント  (9子コメント)

You will get a lot of hate for this, but know that the silent majority is thinking "its about damn time".

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      [–]slyf 227ポイント228ポイント  (42子コメント)

      This page (https://www.reddit.com/about/alien/) says that

      Remember: "reddit" is always lowercase.

      But your Content Policy spells it with a capital R, has this branding changed?

      [–]spez[S] 296ポイント297ポイント  (35子コメント)

      Yep, we're changing our style guide as well. It's a pain to start a sentence with reddit.

      [–]bigblades 175ポイント176ポイント  (7子コメント)

      This new Reddit is not the reddit I have come to know and love. All the other changes I could abide by but this will not stand. I'm going to need to get a new sticker now damnit.

      [–]kn0thing[A] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Your sticker is still canon. The logo will not change. That'll still have a lowercase "r" -- it's just for making it easier to type sentences that start with Reddit. That, and everyone has basically been using the capitalized R anyway, from the press to wikipedia.

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        [–]bakonydraco 40ポイント41ポイント  (5子コメント)

        I was on board and appreciative with everything else but capitalizing the 'r' in 'reddit' is a bridge too far. IS THIS WHERE WE RIOT?!

        Keep up the great work!

        [–]slyf 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Excellent, thanks for the clarification!

        [–]Racker150 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

        This is the end of "reddit". RIP

        [–]Theliamist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Will there be a list of all the letters you will be capitalising from now on? Or are you just going to keep us in the dark? Transparency my ass.

        /s

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            [–]TheMentalist10 224ポイント225ポイント  (35子コメント)

            Will you be sharing information about the communities which are Quarantined? Will moderators of those communities know if their subreddit has been affected?

            Edit: Just as it's not immediately obvious, /r/Coontown has been banned

            Edit 2: Here's what it looks like when you try to access a Quarantined subreddit

            [–]spez[S,A] 105ポイント106ポイント  (22子コメント)

            They receive a message, yes.

            [–]booklover13 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Will there be a list of quarantined subs keep so we which have been quarantined? Will there be an appeal process for a quarantined sub or a way for them to be quarantined if they can make the necessary changes?

            [–]MerryChoppins 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Will the individual subscribers receive a message?

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                [–]ChangloriousBastard 60ポイント61ポイント  (11子コメント)

                Under "Enforcement", shadowbanning is not listed. I know the list is not comprehensive, but does that mean that shadowbanning will no longer be used to enforce the rules as illustrated in the updated content policy?

                [–]spez[S] 40ポイント41ポイント  (8子コメント)

                It will always be a useful tool for fighting spammers, but we are working as fast as we can on more nuanced tools for users who violate other rules so they have a chance to learn from their mistakes.

                [–]jpflathead 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else

                Clearly SRS is not even on the same continent as bad as /r/c..t..n but SRS does exist solely to harass people on reddit and their mission statement is to make reddit's life miserable. And you are letting them succeed.

                SRS, and AMR are not there to discuss ideas. They are there to stifle dissent, police ideas, shame/slander/harass people and keep ideas they dislike from being an acceptable part of conversation.

                As one example: explain why most of reddit now uses np links and srs refuses to use np links.

                You can allow them to exist, but you should stop giving them preferential treatment, either out of cowardice, or out of cowardice.

                [–]jimlast3 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                As a former shadow banned person , I'd like to thank you.

                Keep up the good work

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                    [–]dwchief 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    If a user is subscribed to a Quarantined subreddit, will it still appear on their front page?

                    [–]zachlac 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Soooooo...shadowbanning? Do you shadow ban for violation of content policy violations? At what point in the list of punishments would this fall?

                    [–]spez[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Right now it's all we've got, but no, I don't think shadowbanning is appropriate beyond spam.

                    [–]raldi 90ポイント91ポイント  (44子コメント)

                    I'm sure some of you are rushing to find the Imgur link about how ripping out someone's tongue doesn't prove them wrong, and that the real answer is to engage them in debate.

                    But it doesn't really apply, because nobody's tongue was ripped out. The bigots have already migrated to another site, and they're doing just fine.

                    Shockingly, it doesn't look like the conversation going on over there in any way resembles an intellectually-honest debate on racial issues.

                    [–]spez[S,A] 10ポイント11ポイント  (10子コメント)

                    It's more than that, even. We take banning very seriously, which is why it takes so long for us to do it. In this case, a small group of people were causing on outsized amount of harm to Reddit.

                    [–]paradoxpolitics 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    a small group of people were causing on outsized amount of harm to Reddit.

                    I am BEGGING someone to show even an IOTA of evidence that there was any "brigading" or "harassing" on coontown's part.

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                        [–]WhiteFlight2 93ポイント94ポイント  (95子コメント)

                        I thought you were going to provide a link with why a subreddit was banned. /r/coontown, despite being reviled amongst some users didn't appear to violate any of the rules. It also did well to enforce additional rules that places like SRS flaunt. Why was /r/coontown banned, specifically?

                        [–]spez[S] -44ポイント-43ポイント  (85子コメント)

                        As I stated in the post

                        exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else

                        [–]SteelSaxon 97ポイント98ポイント  (17子コメント)

                        Which one did it break though? I don't believe it existed for the 'sole' purpose to annoy other redditors, and you haven't provided any proof of them doing so. In your new Reddit Coontown would be quarantined so I don't know how they can get in the way of 'improving reddit' and how can a sub that only had 20k(?) subs make 'Reddit worse for everyone' when most users didn't even know it existed or even cared. So how did it break the rules?

                        [–]senatorskeletor 24ポイント25ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        I appreciate the general idea of what you're doing and I'd never defend /r/coontown. But "generally make Reddit worse for everyone else" is so vague as to have no meaning.

                        [–]TheSpekio 44ポイント45ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        So basically whatever you deem so. Thanks for listening about our complaints about nebulous regulations and doing nothing to clarify them.

                        [–]Omoikane13 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Really shot yourself in the foot there by posting the part of your policy that supports SRS being banned.

                        [–]WhiteFlight2 107ポイント108ポイント  (8子コメント)

                        SRS annoys literally everyone on reddit. Even when you try to escape it, you can find one of your posts on their site and then you're harassed until they move on to the next person. Why are they not banned as they fit at least two of the three criteria. Edit: So is it safe to assume that /r/coontown was a liability to the brand?

                        [–]DdMDaniels 71ポイント72ポイント  (6子コメント)

                        /u/spez please answer this, why isn't /r/shitredditsays banned when pretty much all they do is brigade and harass other users? https://www.reddit.com/r/SRSsucks/comments/3fc9qg/update_im_the_girl_who_received_rape_threats/

                        [–]Wyrm 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        That's a good description for SRS. Stop ignoring it already.

                        [–]2comment 73ポイント74ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Just say you started banning ideas, not just behavior.

                        No need to bullshit us.

                        [–]KYLO__REN 96ポイント97ポイント  (9子コメント)

                        So why isn't SRS banned? That's literally why that subreddit exists, to annoy other redditors.

                        [–]BasedFoles 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        The only interaction Coontown had with other subs was when they were directly called out. Unless you're saying /r/AgainstHateSubreddits can annoy /r/CoonTown but they cannot respond, in which case just admit what you're really doing here.

                        [–]A_Mouse_In_Da_House 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        So it's entirely based upon opinion. Good to know nothing has changed.

                        [–]cumiasroasted 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        shitredditsays vote brigades and organizes harassment of users over posts. Does as much harm to the site as racist subs like coontown.

                        [–]JamisonP 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        That is the most subjective 'rule' ever. SRS annoys the shit out of me. So does SRD. It makes reddit worse for all other users. I also hate Circlejerk, even MURICA is annoying as shit sometimes.

                        [–]dasnoob 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        So SRS is going to be banned right?

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                            [–]Teh_Compass 67ポイント68ポイント  (48子コメント)

                            Quarantining is a good step from outright banning. But banning more subreddits in addition to that isn't going to solve anything.

                            Banning subreddits that break the TOS like harassing users and such makes sense, but you can't go and ban subreddits that don't, no matter how much people don't like them.

                            /r/fatpeoplehate, for example, was annoying to people but could easily be ignored. It didn't need to be banned initially. But I totally understand that it was banned for the brigading it did. I was subscribed to one of the subreddits that was being brigaded and its users harassed.

                            /r/coontown, for example is easily ignored and doesn't deserve to be banned, even if they are racist as shit. I hear rumors about brigading but I personally don't know enough about it. If there is evidence that they are doing something like that then by all means ban them. But just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they should be banned.

                            You essentially run the site and can do whatever you want. But remember what the users want.

                            [–]spez[S] -72ポイント-71ポイント  (27子コメント)

                            We didn't ban them because we disagree with them. We banned them because this exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                            [–]RealHumanHere 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            That is the damn definition of /r/ShitRedditSays. They are constantly annoying, harassing, doxxing and following reddittors around the site and make us feel unsafe. They follow people everywhere, they link to their post, they brigade them. It makes us feel unsafe and afraid of speaking our minds on this site. And that breaks reddit's new rules.

                            Apply this to everybody fairly or people will leave this site.

                            [–]omcagk 54ポイント55ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            SRS also exists solely to annoy other redditors. They encourage commenting on the threads linked there. Ban all brigade subs.

                            [–]missmymom 39ポイント40ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Isn't this exactly what SRS is doing? It's purpose is to quote and shame people for the conversations they have on Reddit?

                            [–]lhateapes 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            We banned them because this exist solely to annoy other redditors

                            This is the definition of SRS yet you didn't ban them. I wouldn't be pissed about your dumb rules if they were at least equal for every side of the coin, but the fact that you only target the non SJW subs is just too much hypocrisy.

                            [–]IAmAnAnonymousCoward 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            We banned them because this exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                            That's horribly subjective.

                            [–]KYLO__REN 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            We banned them because this exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                            SRS defined.

                            [–]SteelSaxon 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            You keep saying that but you aren't proving it. Show us proof.

                            [–]imariaprime 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Can you say, in no uncertain terms, that you believe SRS has not broken those rules as you have stated them?

                            [–]The-Dead-kennedys 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Why haven't you banned srs then ?

                            [–]IPhone6SroseGold 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Just a couple weeks ago you said attempting to silence ideas you don't like isn't the answer...

                            [–]TeddyTacos 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            That is exactly why SRS exists!

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                                [–]illegal_deagle 250ポイント251ポイント  (124子コメント)

                                Unfortunately it looks like SRS will continue to enjoy their harassment and downvote brigading.

                                Edit: Come on, guys. I make a comment about downvote brigading and y'all mass downvote /u/spez for actually responding when he didn't have to.

                                [–]spez[S] -198ポイント-197ポイント  (113子コメント)

                                For the the time being we believe that brigading is best fought with technology, which we are actively working on.

                                [–]Synsc 113ポイント114ポイント  (40子コメント)

                                For the the time being we believe that brigading is best fought with technology, which we are actively working on.

                                What does that mean exactly?

                                [–]spez[S] -54ポイント-53ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                It means that we can see downvoting brigades in that data, and we are working on preventing them from working. We used to do this in the past, and it worked quite well.

                                [–]missmymom 58ポイント59ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                Spez,

                                Help me out here please. In the content policy you define bullying as "Harassment on Reddit is defined as systematic and/or continued actions to torment or demean someone in a way that would make a reasonable person conclude that reddit is not a safe platform to express their ideas or participate in the conversation". I would say if someone is posted on SRS the sole purpose it shame and bully that person for the comments they are making (rightfully or not). I would say that fits under this definition does it not?

                                Also, was fatpeoplehate not banned for this exact behavior? We've seen SRS publish a list of usernames targeted at particular subreddits, wouldn't that also be a tool to help make this harassment and bullying easier?

                                I'm asking for clarification of the rules and how it appears at least they are not applied equally.

                                Thank you, Missmymom

                                [–]Ultimate_Cabooser 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                That still doesn't mean anything. They're blatantly violating the "exist solely to annoy other redditors" and they make Reddit a lot worse for everyone who isn't them.

                                The "we don't need to remove them because we're developing technology that won't let them break the rules" could be said about a shit ton of subreddits that were removed.

                                I'm not in the "fatpeoplehate shouldn't have been removed"-circlejerk, because I agree it was shitty and was rightly removed, but the "it doesn't need to be removed because we're working on technology that doesn't let them break the rules" argument could have been used for that. If you remove subreddits like that, you have to remove SRS.

                                [–]SteelSaxon 33ポイント34ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                What about the fact that SRS to their very core are as Toxic a community as Coontown? How is that not a factor for one but is for the other.

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                                    [–]Toucanzhigher 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors

                                    It isn't just a brigading concern the sub was literally created to harass and piss off other redditors. But you're ok with some of that content so long as its more on the PC spectrum right?

                                    [–]Didalectic 56ポイント57ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    We are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                    Please explain how Shit Reddit Says doesn't fall under that definition. Why did Coontown get banned, despite not even breaking that first criterium? It's insulting to your product to think we are unable to see the inconsistency here, such that not banning SRS also fulfills the third criterium: 'prevents us from improving Reddit.'

                                    It allows the current atmosphere of hostility based on (perceived) inconsistency and bullshitting to continue and even grow deeper.

                                    [–]SleepingLesson 101ポイント102ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors

                                    Seems like the explicit purpose of SRS, does it not?

                                    [–]DdMDaniels 107ポイント108ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    /r/shitredditsays also sends threats and personal attacks against the users they link to, they are a hate group https://www.reddit.com/r/SRSsucks/comments/3fc9qg/update_im_the_girl_who_received_rape_threats/

                                    [–]Stone_tigris 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Do you still agree with the use of shadow bans to stop it until you come up with something better? It just seems like such a bad interim system to still be using.

                                    [–]LukeTheFisher 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Holy shit. Will the rules ever apply to those guys or will you constantly move goalposts for them? I like how "harassment" gets redefined just for that specific sub. Good job on the rest of the subs. Confused as fuck about the loli sub being banned though.

                                    [–]JohnStalvern 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    What about the fact that they dox?

                                    What about the fact that their stated purpose is to make reddit look bad and hurt it?

                                    SRS is a left-leaning counterpart to many other shitty subs (some of which are/were banned) but it gets a pass.

                                    [–]99639 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    So you banned /r/coontown which never brigaded, but leave /r/shitredditsays, which exists to purely brigade. Ok, good work. Clear as day.

                                    [–]homer_chimpson 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Man, I can smell the HORSE SHIT from my computer.

                                    [–]Pennigans 36ポイント37ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    SRS exists solely to harass other users and is the biggest brigading subreddit. They even have a list of users they downvote upon sight! Wouldn't it be obvious just to ban them?

                                    [–]TheCid 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    So why are other subreddits being banned for vote brigades then?

                                    [–]DeadAleWives 45ポイント46ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Fuck that shit. Ban SRS like you banned coontown. Stop being biased towards subs that harrass that you guys agree with.

                                    [–]Deadeye207 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Which is why fatpeoplehate was wasn't banned for "brigading" right? Oh wait. The hypocrisy is fucking real.

                                    [–]jlew715 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Huh, you just said you banned communities that exist to annoy other redditors. So why is SRS still here?

                                    Typical.

                                    [–]ardbeg 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Well why not "quarantine" it until you can figure out a technology that is even partially effective?

                                    [–]Crushinated 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Shouldn't they at least be quarantined?

                                    [–]DumpyLips 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    And what about the harassment and doxxing largely perpetrated by members of that sub? Will this continue to be ignored?

                                    [–]LordOfCorpses 76ポイント77ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                    Stop being a hypocrite and ban SRS too.

                                    [–]Baelorn 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    So you're explicitly stating that you're aware of the SRS network's brigading but do not currently have any plans to deal with it?

                                    [–]BamaFlava 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    unfuckingbelievable. It's not just brigading, it's directing hate towards a specific user.

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                                        [–]Naked_Bacon_Tuesday 46ポイント47ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else. Our most important policy over the last ten years has been to allow just about anything so long as it does not prevent others from enjoying Reddit for what it is: the best place online to have truly authentic conversations.

                                        If you do plan to ban subs, I'm sure reddit would enjoy an itemized list of ban reasons/offenses by each sub. This shouldn't necessarily include a link or something to an example of the offense, but the list provided should be detailed enough for a reasonable person to say, "OK, yeah, that's clear enough to require the ban."

                                        But the bans should definitely be released and reasons for them made clear.

                                        [–]Facerless 39ポイント40ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        • Encourages or incites violence
                                        • Threatens, harasses, or bullies or encourages others to do so

                                        Are these going to be used against communities that are centered around the pre-existing hatred or dislike of a group or person?

                                        I realize this is nit picking but this is still fairly vague

                                        What constitutes encouragement or how will you decide what incites someone to action?

                                        [–]CarmineCerise 127ポイント128ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                        Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                        Will there be a clear list of banned subreddits?

                                        [–]BillW87 109ポイント110ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        For the sake of transparency I feel like it would be best to make the list of banned communities public. With all of the concerns lately about the admins not being transparent enough, banning subs without telling us who they are seems counterproductive.

                                        [–]Mobre 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Can you explain the difference between these two?

                                        We will Quarantine communities whose content would be considered extremely offensive to the average redditor.

                                        and

                                        we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditers, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else

                                        and how /r/coontown applies to the latter rather than the former? Because it seems that the application of who is quarantined and who is banned overlap and is completely up to the arbitrary decision of the admin rather then an explicit and defined rule set.

                                        [–]Goatsac 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                        Glad to see /r/againstmensrights and /r/gamerghazi are still going strong.

                                        [–]GamersCorp 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        Can you give us any examples of specific subreddits that will be quarantined?

                                        [–]Demolishing 56ポイント57ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                        Is involuntary pornography

                                        How will this affect stuff like /r/amateur and /r/realgirls and /r/SluttyHalloween ?

                                        [–]edafade 150ポイント151ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        Subs like /r/coontown are banned (in fact, you banned only coontown related subs) but SRS is still up and running.

                                        While I didn't agree with their ideology or what they represented, you, /u/spez stated yourself on several occasions, you did not support the beliefs of /r/coontown but believed they had a place here on reddit. SRS clearly violates reddit's Content "Policy" yet remains unaffected whereas the former did not and were contained to their own communities.

                                        It's the same shit as before, just packaged with a ribbon.

                                        Very disappointing.

                                        [–]until0 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Why don't you just ban SRS? Seriously, why do you keep defending them. Half of this thread is saying your word is usless due to your blatant hypocrisy, and they are not wrong...

                                        I don't understand why you don't just follow suit, they clearly break the rules you've just laid out, but yet, you'd rather annoy your users and provide shelter for a bastion of hate, then do what is not only expected, but morally correct.

                                        [–]GreyWalker 35ポイント36ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                        A community will be Quarantined on Reddit when we deem its content to be extremely offensive or upsetting to the average redditor or to ourselves. The purpose of quarantining a community is to prevent its content from being accidentally viewed by those who do not wish to do so. Restrictions on a quarantined community include:

                                        • Requiring an account with a verified email address
                                        • Requiring an explicit opt-in
                                        • No custom images
                                        • Will generate no revenue, including ads or Reddit Gold

                                        [–]Saint_Judas 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I don't mind censorship on Reddit (after all it is your platform) but it is the hypocrisy that bugs me. Banning ideas, while saying you only ban actions, while certain subreddits actively engage in the actions you say you are preventing but are given free reign. I would be so much happier with these decisions if you just straight up told us that you are banning things the board members don't like.

                                        [–]BurningStoicism 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else

                                        Yet, I see the anti-white hate of /r/blackladies is still around, and the constantly harassing and brigading /r/shitredditsays is still around. Nice way to cherrypick your "hate", isn't it?

                                        [–]dragonfangxl 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                        I dont understand. Why bother making this new tool (quarantines) if you're still going to ban subreddits? Do you not trust the effectiveness of this tool? Also is there a list of the subreddits being banned?

                                        [–]dustfeather 27ポイント28ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                        Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else

                                        Sooo... who is getting banned?

                                        [–]ThrowGoToGo 52ポイント53ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Still murky as all hell. TL; DR: Subs we like will stay (SRS), subs we don't like will go (FPH variants, coontown).

                                        [–]xienze 123ポイント124ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                        Today, in addition to applying Quarantines, we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                        And yet, SRS remains.

                                        [–]Richard_Nixon__ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors

                                        That is literally SRS, and it's a sub you refuse to even consider banning.

                                        [–]0O0Ooo0 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Here's a quick list for you to check out:

                                        /r/shitredditsays

                                        /r/shitredditsays

                                        /r/shitredditsays

                                        /r/shitredditsays

                                        /r/shitredditsays

                                        /r/shitredditsays

                                        /r/shitredditsays

                                        /r/shitredditsays

                                        /r/shitredditsays

                                        [–]DR59 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else

                                        So /r/ShitRedditSays is kill?

                                        [–]zerconic 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        A community will be Quarantined on Reddit when we deem its content to be extremely offensive or upsetting to the average redditor or to ourselves.

                                        Does this also mean that reddit is endorsing any subreddits they choose not to quarantine or ban, since they are now individually censoring subreddits?

                                        [–]pigeonburger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I'm not going to cry for Coontown, but there's two things that worry me.

                                        First, there's the absence of transparency. I want to see who gets banned, for what reason and I believe there should be a forum or a possibility for that group to appeal to the community or at least publically appeal to the administrators to get their sanction reversed.

                                        Then, there's still too much vagueness.

                                        "Extremely offensive or upsetting to the average redditor" - Who decides? This ties with my point above regarding the absence of transparency.

                                        "Forming or joining a group that votes together, either on a specific post, a user's posts, posts from a domain, etc." - Does the group have to be explicitely formed for that purpose? Does incidental voting from being linked by another subreddit which tends to have similar feelings towards that post count? One could argue that being "featured" on SRD/SRS/BestOf/DepthHub is an implicit invitation for people to go and up or downvote the post in question.

                                        "Being annoying, vote brigading, or participating in a heated argument is not harassment, but following an individual or group of users, online or off, to the point where they no longer feel that it's safe to post online or are in fear of their real life safety is." - Thank you for mentionning the first part, but we've seen people who think that heated disagreements gave them PTSD. Which one has priority? Leaving the standard for "harassment" to be determined by the so-called harassed is easily gameable.

                                        While we're on that subject. If we look back to the FPH ban; the images that were floating around showing that they were "harassing" were certainly very debateable. Will we ever have any public proof that they were engaging in harassment according to the guidelines?

                                        [–]Raikus 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        This is the equivalent of creating a black hole to throw out the trash. It may start with removing the bad stuff, but soon it destroys everything.

                                        [–]Artalay 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Out of curiosity what constitutes the "average redditor"? And if you don't have a working definition of that, what steps will you be taking towards coming up with it?

                                        [–]IntoleranceFUCKYEAH 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Reddit isn't doing this to protect the users, they're doing this to protect the advertisers so they feel more comfortable being associated with a website like this. It's pretty simple. Why explain to your advertiser who doesn't understand Reddit, "But those subreddits, you choose to enter! It's not all bad" and give a huge explanation. Wouldn't you rather just say, "Reddit is a great place!" and not have to worry about bad subreddits?

                                        [–]kecos 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Like other people have said it would be nice to see a list of what's banned. Nice to see coontown is one of them though.

                                        [–]SteelSaxon 40ポイント41ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        No supporter of Coontown but this is ridiculous

                                        Arbitrary definitions of what gets banned and what doesn't, what makes Reddit worse and what doesn't. It won't work and in the long run you'll fight a never ending war to please everyone and end up pleasing nobody. How SRS didn't make the cut for a ban since it interferes in every Sub when Coontown was relatively contained is case in point.

                                        [–]james52312 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        So many subreddits now have to be banned because of the new policy..

                                        I wonder, if all of them will actually be banned or if the admins are just nitpicking what they want to get rid of..

                                        [–]LargeSnorlax 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        Out of sheer curiosity, can we get a list of specific subs that were so awful that they have to be banned immediately?

                                        [–]musicandwords 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I am surprised nobody has mentioned that by collecting emails for quarentined subs you are essentially creating a database of users who read content you deem 'questionable'. What does verifying the email accomplish? This seems overly broad and Orwellian.

                                        [–]Ughable 158ポイント159ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                        we are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors

                                        What about /r/ShitRedditSays ?!

                                        [–]The_Homestarmy 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        How will this affect /r/hulkhogan, brother?

                                        [–]thesexygazelle 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        With the new push for transparency I would expect that the list of banned subreddits would be published. I feel like there is a lot of talk about transparency and community involvement but not a lot of actual transparency and the community involvement seems more for posterity's sake.

                                        [–]KATYNBESTDAYOFMYLIFE 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Reddit is for truly authentic conversations, except for the fact unpopular opinions get downvoted and what we don't agree with is banned.

                                        [–]excoriator 26ポイント27ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else.

                                        IMO, this describes the "drama" subreddits.

                                        [–]blanketswithsmallpox 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        To those with RES, turn off night mode when reading it.

                                        [–]username3 33ポイント34ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        "the average redditor"
                                        Yikes

                                        [–]Baba_OReilly 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        At least I got to keep my all-important karma! Thanks Reddit!

                                        It's good to know we can count on you to shape our opinions.

                                        [–]Xet 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Regarding Quarantining: Would you ever quarantine a large subreddit like /r/wtf?

                                        A community will be Quarantined on Reddit when we deem its content to be extremely offensive or upsetting to the average redditor.

                                        One could argue that the very gorey types of pictures that appear on /r/wtf would be pretty upsetting. I know I've accidentally clicked on /r/wtf images when I temporarily disabled my own RES filters, and honestly of all things on the site, some of the stuff there is more troubling to me than discriminatory self text posts.

                                        [–]SweetJibbaJams 57ポイント58ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                        So.... Who is getting banned?

                                        [–]senorchicken 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Could we get a list of said quarantined communities?

                                        [–]MAN_MAYONNAISE 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I'm so glad the admins are here to tell me what I need to think, because thinking for myself is so scary!

                                        [–]faghat 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Who decides who the "average redditor" would be? Is Reddit going to be polling this, for example? Will users be able to tell you what content we would like Quarantined, or will you just handpick a bunch that SRS whine about most frequently?

                                        [–]TheCid 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        This is hypocritical bullshit. Those subs that were banned should have been quarantined instead.

                                        [–]soul_seek 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Why is CoonTown banned when you specifically said it wouldn't be just a few weeks ago?

                                        [–]geekgreg 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        The content guidelines refer to a harassment policy which uses the words "bully" and then "demean" as a part of harassment.

                                        Could we get some clarification on those terms?

                                        [–]The-Dead-kennedys 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        /u/spez why haven't you banned /r/ShitRedditSays yet ? Don't they have a history of harassment ?

                                        [–]MiddlemanOMT 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Fuck Reddit, and fuck their lack of free speech.

                                        [–]T_Dumbsford 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Hey /u/spez. I've had a couple subs quarantined, and I have some questions.

                                        The quarantied message says "No custom images". What exactly does this mean? We can't use CSS for headers etc? Or what, exactly?

                                        You've altered our CSS inside the sudreddit to reflect it's status as a quarantined sub. Is this necessary? People have already opted in, does this really need to be plastered all over the subreddit? Are we allowed to remove it in the stylesheet? Is that even possible?

                                        Thanks for answering.

                                        [–]ItsMeCaptainMurphy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        A community will be Quarantined on Reddit when we deem its content to be extremely offensive or upsetting to the average redditor. The purpose of quarantining a community is to prevent its content from being accidentally viewed by those who do not wish to do so. Restrictions on a quarantined community include:

                                        • Requiring an account with a verified email address

                                        Um, what the hell? That sounds a lot like reddit collecting a list of "here's all the bad people" to me.

                                        [–]Sualtaim 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Our policies are not changing dramatically from what we have had in the past. One new concept is Quarantining a community, which entails applying a set of restrictions to a community so its content will only be viewable to those who explicitly opt in. We will Quarantine communities whose content would be considered extremely offensive to the average redditor.

                                        Can you provide a list of Quarantined subreddits?

                                        [–]jcfy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        /r/buttcoin exists only to harrass and troll redditors of the bitcoin subreddit. Are subreddits like these left alone because they arent racist, where is the line drawn?

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