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[–]KingdomThrowaways 112ポイント113ポイント  (10子コメント)

YOU SHOULD HAVE LISTENED.GIF

[–]higgldeepiggldee 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

How much you want to bet there will be a big resurgence of doom paul gifs next year?

[–]Thorbinator 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every time we don't listen, he will warn us again.

[–]NottaUser 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

WE DIDN'T LISTEN!

[–]lordthat100188 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Episode?

[–]NottaUser 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is the correct ep: "Two Days Before the Day After Tomorrow"

[–]Shanix 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-8kmPJKGgM

[–]Devidose 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why should Jeff have listened?

[–]scottpigeon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's happening.

[–]todiwan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But we did listen. That's why they lost the war.

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get. 102ポイント103ポイント  (8子コメント)

Alot of shit SJWs are doing now was predicted a few years ago.

[–]BobMugabe35[🍰] 81ポイント82ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well to be fair, they were also doing it a few years ago, too. It's not like someone just blurted a crazy theory and years later "holy shit it's habbenin'!!111!", he predicted it because all he really said was "Know that shit they're up to now? Yeah they're going to double down on it later".

[–]CHOAYO 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

few years ago

They've been doing this for decades now. Due to gaming only really exploding in popularity late 90s (and then on), we haven't heard much about it. However it did exist and it's coming to light.

[–]BobMugabe35[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

And that quote's been coming from where?

[–]CHOAYO 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oops, sorry! Formatting issue.

[–]BobMugabe35[🍰] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah ok. That makes more sense.

[–]SwiebelKuchen 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

1925 is more than just a few years ago

[–]Ad__Hominem 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Walter Duranty is a classic SJW

[–]ApplicableSongLyricWe provide... leverage. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Much was decided before you were born."

[–]Aurondarklord 74ポイント75ポイント  (12子コメント)

SJWs did not appear from thin air last august, this problem has been brewing for at least the last five years.

[–]GooberGobias 28ポイント29ポイント  (11子コメント)

Five years? Jesus christ these are the same people pushing the politically-correct bullcrap back in the 90s.

[–]BrokenTinker 28ポイント29ポイント  (10子コメント)

90s? Moral Majority greets you from the 80s you satan worshiping mass murderer! Stop blaspheming jebus! (/s)

[–]Macismyname 27ポイント28ポイント  (5子コメント)

80's? These are the people that banned pot and Alcohol in the 20's.

[–]MrRexels 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

The 20's? The Pope's been banning shit since the middle ages.

[–]Agkistro13 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

Middle Ages? Gor ban make elk wang on cave wall since Autumn of Many Woes.

[–]TemptThePuffin 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ooo-ooo oo-ahh-ooh ah ah AH AHH EEEE! EEEE! EEEEEE!

 

 

 

  SEGA!

[–]DrewbieWanKenobie 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

EEEEEEE? Lord Xenu was driving creative people underground with his politically correct galactic federation BULLSHIT 75 million years ago.

[–]imthepusherman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a chain that's never broken!

[–]snarkbot_777 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Here's the rub though: the anti-satanists, and "instead say, vertically challenged..." PC crowd never claimed to be part of the same group that it was shitting on. AGG-ers on the other hand claim to play games. I think there was a very blurry but noticeable divide for a long time that they stayed "over there," with their walking simulators and faux retro aesthetics. I think they were hesitant to push shit like "walking sims are real games," or "games are an art medium, before technological entertainment," because they knew they would get BTFO without some sort of grievance to cry victim.

The Moral Panic people were parents, conservatives, people who wouldn't play DnD or didn't like all that "rock n roll," that was corrupting the children. That's mostly why it didn't stick at all and DnD and rock music still exists today, because they weren't invested in the culture. The results of not being invested to see a culture flourish? The PMRC was disbanded, prohibition was repealed and we don't call sewer access "personhole covers." How "invested," are Anita Sarkeesian and the "games as art," crowd? Who really knows. They seem to want to bury the "gamer," label before admitting to being one, but then say "everyone's a gamer," because candy crush and angry birds are the same thing as FF7 or Doom in terms of "being a game". (wtflol)

They talk about acceptance and no need for "ingroup membership," but are perfectly fine with this gaping divide between what they want to discuss vs what we want to discuss. I'm not even talking about GG / ethics, this is more fundamental like game aesthetics and how a "gaming community," interacts with the industry.

[–]WrecksMundi 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is more fundamental like game aesthetics and how a "gaming community," interacts with the industry.

"We just published 19 articles about why we hate our readers, 12 about how they're racist, mysogynistic and transphobic, followed 37 articles about why this picture of a half eaten hamburger is the best game released this year. Why aren't they worshiping us yet?"

[–]Ornlu_Wolfjarl 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone who doubts you should watch Warning: Parental Advisory (2002)

[–]GooberGobias 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's different though, the "moral majority" was the religious right, the PC crowd are the far-left "progressives"

[–]BT17K 52ポイント53ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://imgur.com/kZX5LNP

[–]vivianjamesplay 47ポイント48ポイント  (37子コメント)

I think what's important is that anon back then has noticed that there are people that has started to use ad hominems to shutdown criticism. I'm sure CHSommers has also noticed this back then.

We never notice that kind of behavior until recently. They've been building or growing that kind of social justice rhetoric right under our noses and today it has spread in journalism, tech and academia.

Now where else is it spreading? Politics?

[–]Ponsari 47ポイント48ポイント  (4子コメント)

Carrier's speech for Atheism+ happened 4 months before that post. I think a lot of people were aware of what was going on back then.

[–]vivianjamesplay 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, I think a lot of people were aware but didn't care, until they found themselves on the receiving end.

[–]ggthxnore 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can confirm, didn't care. Perhaps more accurate to say I didn't notice. I think I came across some article highlighting the absurdity of elevatorgate at the time but I just skimmed it, shook my head, and laughed. Seemed like the internecine warfare of a bunch of people I couldn't stand and therefore completely irrelevant to me except to sneer at the whole circus. Which is probably how normies that aren't predisposed to swallow narratives whole look at our thing. Now I understand how fucked up the whole Atheism+ thing was and why it matters, but back then it was not my problem. I mean, organized atheism? How could I bring myself to care about something as noxious and irrelevant to me as that? Maybe if I had spoken up then, if enough people like me had taken a stand, we could've nipped all this bullshit in the bud.

All the entitled gamer bullshit I noticed but didn't really think much about. Not like I read any gaming journalist bullshit even then. Figured they were just being contrarian trolls for the sake of clickbaiting, I guess. That or in EA's pocket.

[–]tracker2208 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

If they would have remained quiet and not blast out those gamers are dead articles I think GG would have died down. I wouldn't have cared. But there is no way they wouldn't react like because of, um, the scorpion and the frog or something.

[–]wowww_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

same. funny how things change, after gg.

[–]sexy_mofo 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh trust me, it didn't go unnoticed. The problem was that, for whatever reason, the prevailing attitude was always "lol who cares" and "well we can't stop it so whatever," which finally started to turn around when GG landed on the scene.

Honestly, the thing that ultimately ended up doing crazy radfems and irrational SJWs in, was that they were just too fucking greedy. Nothing was ever good enough. All steps taken to appease them were always [X] steps too short. You were damned if you do/damned if you don't, on just about everything, and even the people who broke their backs trying to get back into the good graces of the SJW outrage machine, were still made to wear the mark of a heretic, constantly reminded of that "one time they screeeeeeeewed up." You can't conduct things that fashion and expect whatever it is your doing to sustain itself.

GG was the logical result of years of SJW bullshit, but really they did it to themselves. If GG had never stepped up, someone else would have eventually.

[–]DT777 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to mention you have guys like Tale of Tales that literally produced exactly the kinds of games SJW's hold up as sacred.... and they went bankrupt. Because no one wanted to buy their shitty ass games. And SJW's don't want to put their money where their mouth is. Probably because their mouths are so full of shit it'd be a waste of good money.

[–]Notalent13 16ポイント17ポイント  (10子コメント)

It came from politics, not the other way around. Remember in the mid term elections how suddenly the MSM up-played Gamergate as a war on women and Anita, ZQ, and Brianna Wu all got mainstream media attention and interviews. The Democratic party of America is built upon abusing gender and race politics as they have actively courted feminist and black radical groups for decades now. Hence their reliance on the war on women narrative in the last election.

[–]wowww_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

it draws views, I guess

[–]Killroyomega 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

I wouldn't call taking advantage of the constant fuck ups of the Republican party a "reliance."

It's low hanging fruit, sure, but it's effective.

[–]Notalent13 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

Except the Republicans stomped the midterm elections because people are tired of the War on Women Narrative. It never existed, except in the minds of feminists, and if Gamergate hasn't made that clear to you then I don't know what will.

[–]Killroyomega 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah the Republicans had overall higher voter turnout because of a single issue, and not because of gerrymandering and voter id laws.

[–]Notalent13 -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yep, and any credibility you had with me is gone.

[–]floppypick 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

He's not wrong. I'm pretty sure the republicans are on the winning side of this gerrymandering bullshit, significantly more so than the dems.

I have no horse in this race, but everything I've seen shows the repubs benefitting from it much more. Feel free to show me wrong though.

[–]Notalent13 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So, there really is a war on women? We really are all heartless monsters determined to sell women into slavery. Oh God I've been on the wrong side all along, I must go to Ghazi and beg forgiveness.

[–]Killroyomega 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I should care about that why exactly?

[–]Notalent13 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Again, your proving why you deserve not to be credible.

[–]Killroyomega 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cool dude :)

I still don't care.

[–]Dapperdan814 11ポイント12ポイント  (13子コメント)

Now where else is it spreading? Politics?

Pray that it doesn't, but prepare for when it does.

[–]NoNSFWsubreddits 39ポイント40ポイント  (12子コメント)

Well, even the fucking White House spouts the "77 cents for every dollar"-BS that has been clarified often enough, so make of that what you want.

But hey, if the White House says it's like that, who am I to argue? Who's with me, I'll be opening up a shop or factory where I only employ women and save 23 % on wages - the competition will have no chance! I don't understand how nobody else has thought of this before... /s

[–]DT777 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

That god damned statistic. I have friends who completely FAIL to spot check that and just bought it hook, line, and sinker.

It's such a pain to fight half-truths. But I suppose if we don't, who will?

[–]NoNSFWsubreddits 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

What I really don't get is how you can read that and not think about how if this were true, there would be absolutely no reason to not exclusively employ women and save boatloads of money.

[–]wowww_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

except for in fields where they're not readily available, or underqualified.

[–]YoumanBeanie 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well yeah but then you're actually getting to the real crux of the issue :P

It's overcomplicating things slightly, his point is all it should take to make people look more closely

[–]DT777 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The same people who espouse that idea are the same ones that think raising the minimum wage to 15.00 is a good idea. They don't have a strong grasp of economics. Even more bizarre is that they're usually the same kinds of people who also spew that stupid Buy Local crap, and the local stores are the ones that absolutely can't absorb the 15$ wage. But they rush head long into creating policy without even stopping to consider the unseen effects.

[–]YoumanBeanie 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not the same line of reasoning at all. $15 minimum wage may or may not be a good idea, not gonna get into it here, but it's a simple proposal with legitimate arguments in favour (and against), not a ridiculous lie based on mangled half-truths like the .77c claim

[–]GooberGobias 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, even the fucking White House spouts the "77 cents for every dollar"-BS that has been clarified often enough, so make of that what you want.

I have mixed feelings about this. Obviously it's terrible when you see the president spouting obvious lies, but I don't think he honestly believes it. He's not an idiot, right? I'm pretty sure Obama knows it's a misleading half-truth, and only said it to appease feminist voters. Consider it on the same level as "pandering to the base" like when republicans rabble about outlawing abortion, it's all talk, no action.

[–]NoNSFWsubreddits 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, I'm not sure what I find worse - knowingly spreading a lie to pander to certain people or unknowingly spreading a lie because you can't be arsed to fact-check.

[–]GooberGobias 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, active malice is way worse than lazy ignorance. At least with lazy ignorance you can educate them. Active malice seeks to make the world a worse place and you basically can't stop it.

[–]throwawayF845 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, politicians turning out to be lying cunts isn't exactly out of the ordinary, is it?

Change we can (listen and) believe in!

[–]tracker2208 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you want to see 5 minutes of mental/logical gymnastics check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzJUYfwKegA

[–]NoNSFWsubreddits 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Let me just talk about something that makes us look good while completely evading the actual question." Noice.

[–]feared_rear_admiral 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I chalk that up firmly to the rise of Privilege Theory. I've noticed it in 2012 and 2013 on reddit in some discussions, but also IRL. IRL it's disheartening - you say something and then someone says yeah but that's because you have the privilege of being a white male and my personal favourite, privilege of education. Yeah man I'm so flaunting my education privilege, don't listen to him he went to university for fucking ages and now he thinks he knows something you might not. What the hell is the point of education again?

But it is really utterly absurd online. I don't know your race or gender or age or political leanings or family history or anything other than what you write here. It's a little different on say Facebook and Twitter but even there you can have some degree of anonymity (if you claw it from them that is). But on reddit? Give me a fucking break.

Even at the best of times it's a fundamentally bad intellectual tactic. It's based on ad hominem and calling for you to be discredited based on information that is simply irrelevant. Sure you can be biased, and you can respond to the bias. But ultimately I've only ever seen it wielded as a weapon to silence somebody. But it's justified by "letting others speak". You don't have to let anybody do shit, they need to just do it. Especially when it's forums on the internet. Just make a damn account and say what's on your mind, it's not hard.

edit: "Now where else is it spreading? Politics?"

It started in politics!

[–]camarougeAnita is my waifu 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure CHSommers has also noticed this back then.

She noticed this is in 1995 to be exact

Ron Paul may be a cute meme but it was a single feminist academic who noticed all of this shit, twenty years ago.

Social justice was given all this time to incubate and hatch into the monster it is now.

[–]MonkeyCB 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's been going on for quite a fucking long time. The only reason some people here have noticed it is because it's been happening to the things they care about.

I mean if you want to go back far enough, these are the same people responsible for prohibition and fainting couches. You could probably go even further back than that.

[–]Furadon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know how people tried prior this? Pulling a Godwin. And when people learned it lost its effect it was easier to come up with something new that feels like it hit closer to home in order to get sympathy.

[–]wowww_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

ad hominem, bro. ad hominem.

[–]t0liman 22ポイント23ポイント  (6子コメント)

When this was Phil Fish (pre meltdown), this was hyped up, sure.

Fez, while new, was being dragged into the hype machine kicking and screaming for attention by some (at the time) unknown hype machine that was literally pushing Fez, everywhere on games news sites through the IGDA and indie awards. You could not say anything bad about Fez. Fish, you could berate as much as you wanted, but Braid, Fez, and a few other darling titles, somehow snuck under the radar and appeared fully formed into the zeitgeist.

Now, this might have been co-attributional i.e. grayson or friends syncing up their cycles due to hanging out in the same circles, but it wasn't a big deal at the time, people genuinely didn't care about indie titles.

It was only Fish's personality getting in the way of Phil Fish that prevented Fez from becoming insanely popular outside of gaming circles. The later Indie game: the movie doco painted Phil Fish in a more ... Human being like fashion, but he still seemed artfully created. Fake. Until Phil Fish spoke and made a genuine ass of himself, people didn't really care about FEZ or Fish. his notoriety created attention, and sales. but that topped off after a while when he became generally unstable amongst his hipster friends.

Certainly, among the indie scene, he was well known to be irrational and unstable, having broken up with a few different people, and basically trolling on a few indie forums.

The problem was, at the time, Indie awards winners were basically rock stars, and Valve handed those winners access to sell their titles on the Steam platform without a publisher. This was also pre-greenlight, and post-greenlight. things have slowly changed with youtube filling in for games blogs, games can now sell themselves a lot more often without the need to resort to social or sexual favours (sic) with games news bloggers.

[–]feared_rear_admiral 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

I actually liked Fez and Braid and enjoy that indie games have the freedom to experiment with new gameplay mechanics albeit at a much smaller scale and at a lower price. The politics around it are despicable though.

[–]EmptyEmptyInsides 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

I liked Braid but most of the attempt at narrative was rubbish.

I played Fez for maybe 45 minutes or however long it took to clear the first area then put it down forever. I didn't understand the appeal then and after reading more about what the game becomes (particularly the decoder-ring puzzles) I understand it even less.

[–]feared_rear_admiral 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I thought Fez was interesting how it played with 2D and 3D, especially the art was really cool looking. At the time I didn't even know who made it and what the story behind it is.

Nor would I want to take that into consideration when judging a game (or movie or book for that matter). It sucks though that it's practically inescapable now and it does indeed impact your judgement. I mean look at Orson Scott Card for instance, I wanna read Ender's Game but just knowing what he did with regard to supporting anti-LGBT measures (like actually contributing to a lobbying group, not just shitposting on someone's forum) does indeed cloud my judgement. Likewise Heinlein was basically a fascist. Just wait until you find out who wrote Mein Kampf.

Shill reviews and gushing publicity are one thing - in every case I will have a look at screenshots and videos about a game at least, as well as user reviews. The corruption within indie gaming competitions and the like is really disheartening though, that's just inexcusable.

[–]EmptyEmptyInsides 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't know anything about Fish when I played (and dumped) it either. I saw a video review by Mike Matei and thought it looked interesting, although even I was kind of hoping for hidden depths that weren't obvious. But I was mostly just expecting that I'd like it if he likes it.

[–]t0liman 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's always going to be important to divorce the creator from the creation.

I like most games and never give the designer or developer any particular time or notice.

It seems to be that ego ruins art, or at least the appreciation of art.

Ideally that's the way to appreciate art or games or books. Never having to realise your book was written by a nazi or a SJW is enlightened. Or at least, not supposed to enrage and outrage people to dismiss their efforts without giving the benefit of the doubt to the creation.

[–]Miserygut 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I watched the documentry with Fish before I got involved in any of this and he came across as someone who blamed other people for his problems. Not a bad guy necessarily but he felt hard done by all the time when a lot of his problems were in his control. I felt sorry for him more than anything. I still do in a way. He could play off his assholeish personality like he doesn't mean it, but he does. He really, really means it. Maybe when he's a bit older he'll realise that not everyone is out to get him, and that being an asshole isn't the most productive way of existing.

[–]Whenindoubtdo 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

That is certainly interesting.

Can we get an archive or source on this? :)

[–]Antikyth3ra 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also in 2013: one game journalist realized there was a problem with press getting too close to devs.

[–]EmptyEmptyInsides 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Specifically indie devs, and I think this is an important distinction.

I see so often people give GG shit for caring about indiscretions between indie devs and games writers more than those involving big game companies. They can't seem to appreciate the dimension these kinds of personal interactions take that simply doesn't happen when the developers are sitting behind their publishers and PR people. They don't get that friendship is a much stronger motivator than free swag. They don't get that it's much easier for journalists to recognize and therefore denounce when their boss is telling them they need to praise a game because the publisher is pushing ads than when they're writing about someone whom they have vested interest in. And that's why it's so much more insidious.

That and I largely only care about indie games to begin with.

And I think the temptation becomes too great to expect people to regulate themselves on their own. What the gaming media needs is strict policies where the writers simply don't interact with the developers and in particular don't respond to direct requests for them to cover their games. These need to go through another person.

[–]Mathmachine 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think since Gerstmann Gate, most would agree that a large amount of people knew there was something wrong or that corruption was happening, there was just nothing to officially prove it beyond little bits and pieces here and there (as in, one incident that could be tied to just an individual or one specific site, rather than the whole industry). Then gamers collectively said enough is enough and did the digging themselves and found Game Journos Pro. Before then, noone had actually formed a large group and stood up to this, and now that gamers have, the "journalists" have all lost their collective minds because they can't get us to back down.

[–]wowww_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

THE POWER OF THE DORITO POPE COMPELLS YOU

[–]BrokenTinker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

THE MOUNTAIN DEW, THEY BURN!

[–]Revan232 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

We didn't listen!

[–]camarougeAnita is my waifu 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

How much do you wanna bet this anon would now prefer to go to 8chan's /v/?

[–]wowww_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Spoiler, anon is brennan

DUN DUN DUN

[–]FlyingJohn 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Luckily nobody buys these games and the developers are stupid enough to waste a large amount of money in walking simulators so they go bankrupt quickly.

[–]Militron 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

With more evidence, we can prove GamerGate started in 1993.

[–]HeavenPiercingMan 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

/pol/ was right ag-- wait, it was /v/.

[–]the_axe_of_axe2 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fez was great

[–]EmptyEmptyInsides 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fez was a game that was sincerely not actually enjoyed by everyone but you sure couldn't tell that judging by reviews.

Whether or not any reviewers felt the game was above serious criticism I really can't say.

[–]arcticwolffox 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Only thing he got wrong is that it isn't an AAA conspiracy. A lot of indie devs and journos just really are lazy and corrupt.

[–]YetAnotherCommenter[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed there. With some of the supportive things some AAA devs have been saying (i.e. the DX Mankind Divided devs, Ethan Petty from Ubisoft, among others), it seems that AAA aren't the ones behind the "entitled gamer" meme.

Also note that the AAA studio who most benefitted from the "entitled gamer" arguments made by the press was BioWare, and BioWare employs a card-carrying SJW as a writer (David Gaider). BioWare have also been proponents of LGBT representation, but to their credit I think they usually did it quite tastefully (well, apart from Dorian and Iron Bull's relationship which just made me puke...).

It seems the "they're all a clique with the same politics and hang out together in the same hipster social milieu" explanation makes a lot more sense than "the big studios are trying to stop their customers being critical" theory.

[–]CrashedonMars 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

I like the big business conspiracy angle a lot, personally. But, I think governments are involved here too. They are basically one and the same these days.

It's no accident that the top "minds" in the Aggers are all from well connected wealthy families. "Zoe's" connections, of course, obscured by her being referred to 100% of the time as some screen name she used. Never by her real name. Ever. You'd think at least some journos might look into her as part of his research and discover that Zoey Quinn isn't her real name and make a note of it. Nope.

I think the fact that the SJWs managed to sidetrack occupy into a circus so quickly has not gone unnoticed by those in power. They are now heavily promoting this outrageous set of ideologies to break up and sew division among political activists and consumers. Think about this, The fucking TELEGRAPH pushes this nonsense these days. The old Tory stronghold.

Aside from making any protests on the left ineffectual due to normal people seeing the rainbow crowd setting up their progressive stacks and stupid fucking hand signal shit and just going home. They are also pro internet censorship. They hate the anonymity of the internet. Things big government and business can get behind 100%.

They've also become something of champions for corruption in the media. They are such a gift on a silver platter to those in power that you cannot but be suspicious of a psyop.

[–]GooberGobias 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, here's a scary thought:

We know from the snowden leaks that the NSA is involved in manipulating online discussions. What side do you think they're on? Hint: they are the establishment. Their interest is self preservation. So they would be doing what? How about protecting a corrupt media apparatus? Maybe a little slander against the critical thinkers who are able to see through the lies?

I have no evidence of course but it would be shocking if they weren't supporting aGG operations.

[–]CrashedonMars 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea, if the establishment wanted the snowden files buried they have buried them. We would only have likely read about them on Alex Jones site.

Instead? All over the media and a film by Oliver Stone in the making.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

There's not very strong evidence that LW comes from money. Basically there's just the name scholarship and that is only a grand.

[–]BrokenTinker 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

No idea why you were downvote, have an upboat. People are keep forgetting Trust but Verify, that's why some GGers are dropping into neutrals and the occasional aGG

[–]EmptyEmptyInsides 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And we really don't even know that she belongs to that family just because she has that last name. While the writer seemed to be saying that everyone with that last name was entitled to the scholarship I doubt that was the literal meaning.

I also wouldn't assume she's hiding anything when she goes by a different name. I can see why she'd prefer "Zoe Quinn", it's way more hipster chic.

[–]futtinutti 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was someone who saw what was going one, we should have listened.

We didn't listen, now we have to fight.

[–]tenparsecs 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Gamergate" threads, ie. shitting on indie devs and shitty journalists and their obsession with sexism and shallow story games, is many years old. Really exploded with Anita as well. You can go look at one of the hundreds of old Kotaku or Bioware bashing threads in the archive now and they will look exactly like 'gamergate'. I guess my point is, none of this is some new fangled thing like some people like to write about it as.

[–]astalavista114 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. I mean I was an "entitled gamer" back in 2012 because I didn't think the ending of ME3 was very good, should have been better, and didn't match what we had been told up to the point of release.

[–]MrRexels 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I WARNED YOU ABOUT THE CLIQUE BRO

I TOLD YOU DOG

[–]RedPill4LYF[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is it. Almost a decade ago, I called this shit. I knew I was right. Damn these insane bastards.

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield / https://i.imgur.com/6X3KtgD.jpg -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Archive links for this post:

I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

[–]TheRealMouseRat 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Sometimes conspiracy theories are true. Like in this case. It was slightly wrong though. No one is bashing people for being atheists.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

No one is bashing people for being atheists.

But they were; the whole Atheism Plus fiasco had media outlets pushing the ''Atheists are sexists'' narrative but it utterly failed because people like Richard Dawkins killed it.

[–]TheRealMouseRat 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

so that's what atheism plus was? gamergate, but with atheism instead of gaming?

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, sort of, it started with an Atheist Feminist (Rebecca Waston) claiming that a guy asking her for coffee late at night in an elevator was sexist, and started a 'misogyny in Atheism' conversation. It was dubbed 'Elevatorgate'.

The difference is that the Atheism Plus people did not have the mainstream media on their side; and influential Atheist figures like Thunderf00t and Richard Dawkins tore it apart.

So the SJW's got torn apart quickly in Atheism.

But it did damage the community quite badly as many Atheist bloggers sided with the SJW's and abandoned their ''skepticism'', thereby splitting communities.

The biggest difference between A+ and GG is the media gave far more ammo to SJW's in GG. A+ only represented Atheists whereas GG compromises of Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc.

[–]Yagihige 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep, pretty much, It got to the point that they slandered Michael Shermer accusing him of rape. Thunderfoot was also a big target for these people, most of whom gathered in the ironically named FreeThought blog with PZ Myers as their leader. Thunderfoot had been talking about Sarkeesian's bullshit and other SJW shenanigans before GG started.

[–]GooberGobias 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

More or less, except that "Atheism+" is the name of the SJWs, the anti-SJW group didn't have a catchy name like gamergate.

[–]DaveDodo007 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, the anti atheism+ people went on to form the slymepit.com forum to fight against this insanity. Hardly a catchy name as they appropriated from their opponents who called them slime because guess what they were 'misogynist, rapist and racist,' well you know the drill.