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Destructoid Bans Rape Jokes, Closes Down Forums; Chaos Ensues - William Usher (self.KotakuInAction)

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http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2015/08/destructoid-bans-rape-jokes-closes-down-forums-chaos-ensues/

Bad move, Destructoid.

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[–]razorbeamzRuns /r/loltaku 147ポイント148ポイント  (7子コメント)

All these sites closing down their discussion because they can't effectively moderate it...

[–]DeadGamerWalking 85ポイント86ポイント  (2子コメント)

no. It's because they have further radicalised themselves from their readers who are having nothing with it. They are closing the comments because they don't want to be held accountable.

[–]TriangleDimes 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

To listen to their side of it you'd think it was being spammed with CP and people were pushing a second holocaust. Whatever it was, it was so bad that they just couldn't handle it and had to shutter the whole thing. And then when you know the truth, you look at all these fucking dandies who call themselves Community Managers and you think "is this all it takes for them to ragequit their chosen career?"

[–]laughingbandit 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've done community management for a major games studio. It's a nuanced job and requires a lot of tact and the ability to remove emotion when needed, but at the end of the day you have one job: Communicate with the community. If the community is gagged, fire your community managers and hire a PR person instead. Because you no longer have a community, you have an audience.

[–]LordRaa 89ポイント90ポイント  (1子コメント)

Too many shitlords trying to derail the narratives.

[–]Dwavenhobble 49ポイント50ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's the comedic thing. The Community blogs on destructoid have been breaking the narrative far more than the forums lol.

[–]Binturung 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's because they're trying to ban specific things, and hypocrisy is running rampant. If you ban A, why not ban B? Why is this allowed, and this is not?

This is Toxic! REMOVE IT! Isn't this toxic too? Nah I'm fine with that.

Basically what I've been saying in the various CoC threads of late. Trying to create a comprehensive set of rules for your community to follow will fail, and you will kill your community. Who the fuck is going to go back to Destructoid's forums if they reopen? The smart rational ones will be like "fuck it, there's plenty of forum options out on the internet.", and will leave it.

I'd wager this will lead Destructoid into a downward spiral into obscurity that nearly no one will visit aside from the crazy faithful.

[–]Furikuri_flcl 115ポイント116ポイント  (9子コメント)

I have a feeling all of these sites closing down comments won't exist anymore in a few years.

[–]MonkeyFries 34ポイント35ポイント  (6子コメント)

Mostly because I go to articles to read the comments as well as the post. It's like an added entertainment value and every now and again you can get good discussion. If I read two sites, one with comments and one without I'm more likely to read the one with. Overtime there will be no reason to read the one without because I would have obtained all the information already.

[–]voxnex 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

I can really judge a site by its commentors. Wired call out bs that its writers spew, boing boing circlejerk all over any Leigh Alexander & co posts

[–]MonkeyFries 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Makes sense as comments section is a sample of their readership. One of the reasons the verge closed down their comments is because they were getting called out on their bullshit. Stuff like not disclosing that an investor in their company was also an investor in a product they were reviewing. The verge has always had a certain bias but pre-patel I had no idea that it might have been more than bias. Obviously hindsight is 20-20.

[–]vintermann 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Makes sense as comments section is a sample of their readership.

It's not a random sample, though. It's disproportionately weighted to the more opinionated, the more persistent, the ones with better typing skill etc etc. Fact of the internet.

But any highminded attempt to guard the interests of the non-participating majority, is likely to make it worse, because the people eager to use moderation power are even more unrepresentative.

[–]vintermann 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Boing boing are very ban-happy. I got banned there for suggesting Xeni was interpreting some guy's words very uncharitably in painting him as a misogyracibadist.

[–]mmm1kko 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They've changed a lot from what they were 10 years ago... Back then the site was much more about freedom of expression etc. Now they allow only the left kind of expression... Can't say I've visited the site more than thrice in the past two years because of that.

[–]Khar-Selim 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

part of the reason I like the Escapist is if you don't like one comment thread on an article, you can go check on the OTHER comment thread on the article.

[–]Lhasadog 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. The ability to take part in a conversation is the only "Value Add" these sites provide to the industry or consumer base. The fact that they are largely failing lately is a sign the consumers have figured out they can go elsewhere to have the conversation without being bothered by the initial preachy and insulting idiotic articles.

[–]thegreathobbyist 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, do they honestly think people go there just to read articles and watch videos? Removing the ability for people to hold discussion is the worst idea possible for website longevity.

[–]wargarurumon 85ポイント86ポイント  (9子コメント)

closes down forums, the signs that they can't control the people and are in the minority keep are obvious

[–]DeadGamerWalking 52ポイント53ポイント  (6子コメント)

SJW Apartheid

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get.[S] 30ポイント31ポイント  (3子コメント)

RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[–]HBlight 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Apartheid is no longer the white mans word!

[–]TrueNegrodamus 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not a bad thing at all when the right kind of people do it for the right kind of reasons - said every right kind of person facing the right kind of circumstances, everytime

[–]Joss_Muex 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This will effectively be the excuse used across the media for closing down comments. Users were being racists/sexist/toxic/entitled/abusive/mean.

In reality the most triggering users were the ones politely disagreeing with the article's conclusions, premise, or implicit ideologies. Instead of embracing such a spectrum of viewpoints, and the internet as a forum for two way debate, the instinct of the fifth estate has been to keep the media as a one way propaganda apparatus, and bully ordinary users who disagree with the model.

[–]flubbdubb 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

fokken prawns

[–]TrueNegrodamus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We have to establish vehicle checkpoints and shitlord work permits if we are to preserve our way of life!

[–]TheCodexx40k GET! 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It seems like the forum is being shut down due to inactivity...

Because they "banned the 30 or so people using it as a personal chat room" and the rest of the people were discussing GamerGate. Which is retarded, because you want users who use it as a chat room to bring in activity and discussion, and if your most active thread is on a topic, maybe you shouldn't shut it down?

Basically he banned what was left of the community and when nobody was left he got sick of operating an empty board.

[–]throwaway566678 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

the signs that they can't control the people

You can't control people without outright banning troublemakers which then makes everyone else just treat you like a dictator.

SOURCE: Have ran an online chat community that was full of troll-y shitlords with nothing to contribute and when I eventually started putting my foot down, that's what happened.

[–]ineedanacct 56ポイント57ポイント  (6子コメント)

Ronsoak took severe offense in a tech support thread where someone called his desired PC configuration a “rape machine”.

”This Ronsoak (who is, apparently a friend of Dtoid’s own Laura K) flipped out why we mods didn’t do anything.

Always SJW's at work. You'd think they were being paid.

[–]Bill-Rizer 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

Someone protect these sensitive butterflies, he called it a...

a...

gulp

r-rape machine

[–]mechdemon 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well at least it wasn't a Nazi Death-Rape Machine!

[–]FreeMel 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's what I call my cat

[–]ExplosionSanta 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You mean there are people who don't?

[–]Khar-Selim 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly he should've just turned the tables by adding a canola-based cooling system.

[–]ThrowawayTechJourno 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's some god damn terrible grammar. I mean, 'rape' isn't even an adjective. TBH, I'd be pretty pissed at the mods too.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET 32ポイント33ポイント  (1子コメント)

They're going to take a hit in traffic if there's no more forum.

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 48k Get.[S] 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good.

[–]noisekeeperUnited the nations over MovieBob 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

I want to be more angry and disgusted, but those feelings dissipated long ago when I left the Destructoid community. But this really does feel like another kick in the pants doesn't it?

If they wanted to get rid of their most longstanding and top contributing members of their community, they did it. OpiumHerz's long series "The worst thing about censorship is" was one of my most favorite cblogs to read. And they got rid of him. I'd say there is irony in wanting to promote 'a more inclusive community' while banning the guy who discussed at great length about censorship in gaming.

Destructoid's fallen a long way from the old days of "shut the fuck up and play some video games!" hasn't it?

[–]Katallaxis 45ポイント46ポイント  (5子コメント)

But rape jokes were the only good thing about rape! Doesn't this just make rape even worse?

Logic.

[–]centrum5555 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

i love the fact, that this in itself is a rapejoke of sorts

[–]yelirbear 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

it was kinda forced

[–]easychairmethod 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your double entendre is triggering me.

[–]HBlight 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

A joke is a lot like rape, not everyone has to enjoy it for some to enjoy it.

[–]seanthestone 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like they say, "One in two people enjoy rape."

[–]iadagracadefinitely not a black guy 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

This problem in certain ways is a lot like Takuchat which has been down for a few weeks since we suffered a major hack on our server.

Our community is mainly 10-20 people and we're all kind of a family. After weeks with no home we all kept together until I could get the site back. And now we're kinda relaunching with a new site and name SideArc.

It often seems like our community isn't much but we really value what we have. I do all this work on the site, one dude pays for all the hosting and pr and another writes most of the articles just for the small group we have.

So i feel their pain i really do, and hope destructoids reconsiders or they find a place to gather again as we have several times (starting with kinja).

We kinda also have a will not to change too much despite it seems things aren't 100% welcoming XD. At least at first.

[–]Inuma 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Baby steps...

Communities are grown organically over time and growing too fast is a sign of trouble. That's what Destructoid didn't understand as it poo poo'd on the people that helped it grow.

[–]iadagracadefinitely not a black guy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed, everyone's pretty happy with growing slowly :3

We just want to make sure the site remains long term, if one of the main few left (3-4 people including me) for whatever reason we'd have a real problem.

[–]Dwavenhobble 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's quite funny as people have still been calling out crap in the C-blogs. so if Neiro wants to gentrify the site he's gonna have to burn the C-blogs too where a good portion of people are and some of the more dedicated readers.

[–]Inuma 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

God, if he fucks over Elsa's blog, there's just no defending that site ever...

A 53 year old female gamer that took Anita to task everytime she came out to speak and had more about feminism than even Based Mom's videos.

I left before I got big there, but it's sad to watch a community be decimated based on witch hunts and divide and conquer tactics.

[–]Revisor007 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

That sounds interesting. Has any of it been posted on KIA?

[–]Inuma 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No. Her popularity waned as GG went on. She's been a mod in Destructoid, but people focused on the more recent analysis of Anita's nonsense instead of the older stuff. Kind of sad, really.

[–]the_nybbler 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Victimized people will see that and cry". Yeah, that's the bestest criteria for shutting something down; whether someone can manage to produce tears over it.

[–]MrRexels 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good, I hope Neogaf burns next.

[–]Revisor007 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You mean Neogaf closing the forums? What would be left? The FAQ section?

[–]HolyThirteenRule34K get! 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Heh. Hashtag #selfDestructoid. That'll do.

[–]AntonioOfVeniceRuns /r/polygon \ Karma King of late April 2015 8ポイント9ポイント  (8子コメント)

I didn't even know that there was a Gamergate thread on Destructoid. Aren't they one of the big-time haters?

[–]HexezWork 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

Their owner/creator (don't know his exact title but hes the head) wants to be civil but a lot of their staff spaghetti all over the place.

Would not be shocked if its a case of the patients got the keys (moderators remember they do it for free) to the asylum and no one knows whats going on.

[–]Dwavenhobble 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

No The forums mods are actively leaving and in revolt against Neiro who brought in the new rules against Moderator wishes.

Literally in the past 3-4 weeks Dtoid lost about 5 of it's forum moderators who just walked out over Nerios actions.

At this stage they pretty much had to shut down the forums as they didn't have the staff left to mod the place and those mods left were also publicly objecting to Neiro.

In the C-blogs there's comments of moderators criticising Nerio and Neiro turning up telling them if they objected they should have PMed him to talk not gone public like this.

[–]MazInger-Z [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I haven't been going there. How did we miss documenting this drama?

[–]descartessss 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

He said that after 10 years he actually realized that they are become the old press that they wanted to fight when they started the blog, that he understand why gamergate exist.

[–]its_never_lupus 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Weird. Would be interesting to know why there were GG supporters using the forums of one of the prime targets.

[–]ineedanacct 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

People have complex webs of relationships. I wouldn't be surprised if various GG'ers felt destructoid was "worth fighting for" or something. Hell one of the top tier KiA posters, /u/Dwavenhobble, uses a destructoid blog for most of his stuff iirc.

[–]agentace7 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You got it somewhat correct. The forum users were generally treated as the black sheep of the website, while the people running Destructoid only gave a shit about the front page community. So most of them just visited the forums exclusively due to the close knit nature of their community.

[–]gargantualis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"We come you now live from the crime scene. Absolutely Horrific scene John. If you have any children around you, please take precaution. You may find some of these images...disturbing."

[–]Kyoraki 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

First they came for podtoid. Then the forums. What's the point of Dtoid now? It's gone from a really unique place and morphed into another Kotaku wannabe.

[–]kaotik-weevil 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

C'mon, anyone could've seen this coming, that's why I stopped going there ages ago.

A long time user in Destructoid, Kyosuke Nanbu, left there a couple years ago when they saw the writing on the wall starting with Alistair's firing, and Dtoid had been on an SJW appeasement mission ever since.

[–]Aurondarklord 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every time an SJW hugbox closes down its comments, we should take it as a win, because it means their narrative, and their grip on how gamers think, is starting to fall apart that much more, and they know it.

[–]gdre21111 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well they lose out, alot of traffic that will go to other sites. You could say they raped themselves ^

[–]Syndromic 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was only a matter of time. The articles were lousy clickbait riddled with gender study issues.

[–]Warskull 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The fastest way to get the internet to do something is to tell they can't do it.

I think these sites forgot why they have comments and forums. When you post an article someone reads it once. When you allow someone to comment on the article they tend to visit the article more than once. They often come back to see where they discussion went after they left a comment. This lets you get more page views per article and leads to a more engaged user base.

The same idea with forums, the forum users visit more often.

Reddit isn't popular because people can post articles and vote on them. Reddit is popular because people can discuss articles and comment on them. People can then see how their comments did for an ego boost.

[–]RevRound 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are too many people who are thinking the wrong things. Better shut it all down

[–]White_Phoenix 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'M RUNNING OUT OF POPCORN HERE, HELP.

[–]GOU_NoMoreMrNiceGuy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is why we have nothing to fear.

this fuckwads are so extremist they will alienate EVERYONE eventually.

these faggots* will burn hot, then burn out.

*faggot - n. bundle of sticks

[–]VidiotGamerTrigger Warning: Misogynerd 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I at least thought these guys understood how clickbait works. It's not effective if you can't go to the comments and see people arguing.

[–]rape_jokes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But I've never even posted there :(

[–]ProblematicReality 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Destructoid, more like SELF-Destructoid.

[–]seanthestone 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Does anyone have the archive of Neiro's meltdown on Twitter from October or November of last year? It was glorious.

[–]WilliamUsherGBWilliam Usher 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

http://i.imgur.com/v7PkCX8.png

[–]seanthestone 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you. That was a satisfying night.

By the way, thank you for all of the reporting and research you've done.

[–]nopeer_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't all political correctness analogous to one giant use-mention error, like say a "use-intention error". You used word X therefore your intention must have been sexism/racism/harassment etc. I expect there would be a pretty good overlap with people who make use-mention errors. Rather than having words associated with other concepts in their minds that define the word, it's all mapped to feelings and intentions.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wait, why was there a GamerGate discussion thread? Unless they were all aGGro's, Destructoid was on the boycott list. We shouldn't have been giving them clicks.

[–]Kyoraki 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Destructoid is a very fragmented place. Giving the forums traffic while depriving the main site of clicks would have been a massive 'fuck you' to the staff.

[–]HolyThirteenRule34K get! 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well... if they had some loyalty to the community that was more important to them than depriving the dtoid forums of a few clicks, I find it tough to fault them. Especially now that dtoid looks even worse now to people who weren't part of Gamergate.

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield / https://i.imgur.com/6X3KtgD.jpg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Archive links for this post:

I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

[–]BrimshaeSun Tzu VII:35 / Survived #GGinDC 2015 / Dined #GGinNC 2015 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And "I came in like Myley's balls" isn't some sort of weird sex joke/trans mockery?

[–]Kataklysm420 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is that Max guy a SJW?

[–]ARealLibertarian 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What Max guy?

[–]Kataklysm420 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Max Scoville, Couldn't think of his last name, He was or is part of destructoid

[–]DDMythicalB3ast -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

THIS IS BULLSHIT

[–]weltallic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

4chan RIP

[–]racist_fruit_bowl 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

✡ SHUT IT DOWN ✡

[–]Goreshock -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

I have a legitimate question: What is wrong with banning someone for continuously making jokes in poor taste such as rape, bigoted or racist jokes?

[–]codeGrit 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

First off, the "rape joke" wasn't even a joke. It was a mere phrase that contained the word "rape". Are we going to start banning people for saying "rape" now?

Secondly, why would it be okay to ban jokes in "poor taste"? Who gets to define what "poor taste" is? Why do we even want to go down that road?

Lastly, racism/sexism really needs to have some sort of racist intent for it to really be racism. A joke about a race isn't really racism, especially since it's highly likely the person telling the joke doesn't hold that belief.

[–]Goreshock -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Alrighty then - the phrase contained the word rape, what was the context to begin with? I wouldn't advise banning people for use of any words unless done repeatedly in poor taste after being warned and talked to in regards to offending and upsetting other people.

Secondly - you're posting in a subreddit that is outraged by people injecting an agenda into video games and don't see any parallels between having a poor taste in offensive and hurtful jokes and having a poor taste in trying to change something? I mean isn't contacting advertisers and slamming the likes of Gawker and Polygon for their poor acts that don't necessarily cause grievous harm to anyone at the very least be somewhat alike to banning people for "poor taste"? You have decided what is "better" for the gaming community, journalism and the internet by acting in a certain way. So did the people who wrote those articles. So did the people who keep cracking jokes about jews, black people, homosexuals and queer folk, and what not.

And lastly - bringing the two points together: bigotry doesn't have to hold a hateful or a negative intent to be hurtful or offensive. If you grew up missing an arm and everyone was making jokes about one armed people and throwing slurs around that have been used to put you down for your disability for years. Shit that has prevented you from going after your dreams. Shit that has caused you pain and trauma. Would you honestly say you'd brush it off when people who had never gone through what you did made fun of you. Not maliciously of course, without holding the belief that you are truly "inferior", but the jokes are funny, amirite? You wouldn't make fun of a PTSD soldier from a bygone era who has seen his friends blown to bits because it'll cause pain to him and unless you are going to look him in the eye and say "Man up, it is only a joke" or "I don't actually think it is funny that you are now living your last days in suffering and crippling loneliness, but the joke doesn't actually hold the belief that your experiences are trivial and diminishing your actions."

Or how about when Leigh or anyone from that clique makes jokes about you and your hobby? Surely, she holds those views dear, right? Wouldn't really make a difference though - still was a hurtful stereotype that she personally knows nothing about but feels like her sheltered privilege allows her to trivialize and ridicule someone else's life and experience. Whether she really believes it or not.

It is rooted elsewhere. It doesn't begin and end with you. We don't live in a vacuum and being just a little bit considerate to people who have experienced things that might make them antisocial, make them feel mental and physical pain from being reminded about their suffering, make them uneasy because of the language that is still being used - that only a few years ago has been widely used to segregate, to separate and put them down - is now being used by some asshat who thinks it is a funny word for the sake of shock value.

Fuck, you got me on a rant. Feel free to reply whenever you want though. Just keep in mind - not everyone had the same start as you. Not everyone gets the same reaction as you from the cops or from other forms of authority. You might not know everything about how people are treated.

Oh, and lastly - it takes only a tad bit of consideration to be helpful and friendly to people as a start.

...I need sleep.

[–]codeGrit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a mess of a reply, and conflates so many issues that aren't even close to being related. I'll respond to a few points, though.

Secondly - you're posting in a subreddit that is outraged by people injecting an agenda into video games and don't see any parallels between having a poor taste in offensive and hurtful jokes and having a poor taste in trying to change something?

No, no I don't. One is political ideology that strives to bring change that will negatively effect my life in ways far greater than my feelings. That's not something you can chose to avoid, not to read, not listen to. Jokes, however, are the prime example of "Offense is taken, not given".

You don't have to read the jokes. You don't have to listen to them. You can actively avoid them. They are not out to make change that will effect you in a negative light. In fact, they are out to hep heal.. to bring joy.

Or how about when Leigh or anyone from that clique makes jokes about you and your hobby?

You picked the wrong example. Leigh has stated, on numerous times, she does not like men. But let's just assume she doesn't. The "outrage" is at the hypocrisy of the situation. That she can sit here and say "the hooded brown men are scary" and nobody bats an eye. Yet when we say "I disagree with her" the media can't contain it's hate parade on the "shameful racist misogynistic pigs". Oh yeah, and Leigh jumps on that same train.. even though she has a history of being racist / sexist herself.

I would def. tell a joke about war in front of a Solider. If he can't handle it, he can leave. He's not forced to sit there and read me/listen to me.

[–]SeedzCuccos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol, what a joke.

[–]DUKEANUMBERONE 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

booo

[–]DUKEANUMBERONE -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

oh please dont let it be posted yet..... YUSS

Then the rapegate thing, which should hopefully never be repeated and could have very easily been avoided. It feels odd I had to be the one to say it.

"#RAPEGATE"