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[–]xcitrus 1262ポイント1263ポイント  (360子コメント)

China has a similar rule for parents looking to adopt. Individuals with a BMI greater than 40 aren't allowed to adopt children from China.

[–]Poemi 1551ポイント1552ポイント  (330子コメント)

A BMI of 40+ isn't just fat, it's grossly obese. Those people have difficulty taking care of themselves, much less a child.

[–]Sparkykc124 115ポイント116ポイント  (16子コメント)

I knew a woman that weighed nearly 300lbs. She adopted 2 baby girls from China about 4 years apart then died in her sleep when the youngest was only 10.

[–]Poemi 69ポイント70ポイント  (13子コメント)

I was going to say something about obese people dying young in my original comment, but figured people would think I was just fat-hating. But yeah, I think that's probably part of the rationale.

[–]LeCrushinator 88ポイント89ポイント  (4子コメント)

Pointing out that there are lots of fat people, and there are lots of old people, but there are very few old fat people, is not fat shaming, it's a harsh reality for those that can't get their diet under control.

[–]MASSIVE_OGRE_COCK 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thin privilege is living past 60.

[–]selfdestrvct 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

I work in healthcare and if I see anyone over 70 they are not overweight.

[–]DoItForBirb 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

My maternal grandmother is really overweight and just turned 81.

Midwestern magic perhaps?

[–]sonofnarcs 33ポイント34ポイント  (5子コメント)

That, and the more obvious fact that those terrible behaviors will more likely than not be passed on to the children.

We lock up parents who use marijuana, but do practically nothing to those who willingly give their kids numerous chronic illnesses with lifelong impacts on every bodily system.

[–]sllop 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

Or endlessly medicate kids because they have slightly more energy than the parents are comfortable with. There's a lot wrong with how we parent in the U.S.

[–]now_in3D 498ポイント499ポイント  (62子コメント)

as a guy with a former BMI of 49.1 I can attest to this, shit is not cool.

[–]Face_Roll 168ポイント169ポイント  (36子コメント)

'tis warm, and runny, and appears at inconvenient times.

[–]Dick_n_a_Box 53ポイント54ポイント  (35子コメント)

With that high of a bmi, he didn't run anywhere.

[–]daronjay 160ポイント161ポイント  (34子コメント)

BMI 37.5, run three times a week. Slowly.

Edit: Oh you've popped my gold cherry!! How wonderful, thank you. Yeah so, I'm male, 52yrs old, 118 kgs (and falling), began running again three weeks ago for the first time in a few years, and yes I'm biking too because my knees and especially ankles don't like this idea very much. Doctor seemed fine with it, he wants my blood pressure down.

It'll be easier once I'm down under 110kg from past experience, which will probably be in a couple of months, because this is all so I can run /walk / crawl the Auckland Half Marathon. Currently 4k's a run, climbing slowly as my ankles permit.

[–]ungulate 13ポイント14ポイント  (7子コメント)

Maybe try biking? My BMI is 34-ish, and running is really hard on the knees and feet. I mean, I loved to do it, but I developed horrible secondary injuries over the course of a year.

Biking makes your ass hurt for a while, but it gets better.

[–]Milkythefawn 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

The Elliptical machine at the gym is also a better alternate to running* if you're large, it is low impact so doesn't do your joints as much damage.

[–]hd-86 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Please ask your doctor if running is allowed or not because at your weight it would hurt your knees very soon. just brisk walk. source: my aunt hurt her knees similarly.

[–]puzzleddaily 39ポイント40ポイント  (30子コメント)

Thinking of the story about the family that barbecued a fetus recently, I wish society had a way of screening all potential parents.

[–]ottoman_jerk 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

parenthood: prevented...?

[–]Dick_n_a_Box 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's one way to plan it I guess.

[–]supergregx2 26ポイント27ポイント  (11子コメント)

Pretty sure that was proven to be a fake story that made its rounds on Facebook

[–]Beers_Me 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sadly it wasn't a fake story. A family member got a younger family member pregnant and at 8mos they beat the girl for hours so she would abort the baby. The baby was born stillborn at the home hours later and the family members took the baby and tried to dispose of it by putting it on the grill.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/03/four-arrested-beating-pregnant-teen/28401683/

[–]Mishmoo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

..what does this have to do with not allowing the obese to receive residency?

[–]Doulich 67ポイント68ポイント  (7子コメント)

almost as if that's called eugenics

[–]grundo1561 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

And it tends to be frowned upon.

[–]LurkingLiu2 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

I heard this one dude with a funny little mustache tried it a few decades ago.

Kinda forgot how that worked out, but I can't imagine that went too well.

[–]So_Motarded 112ポイント113ポイント  (15子コメント)

They also have a list of diseases/disorders (and risk factors) that potential adoptive parents cannot have. Anything that would likely shorten the parent's life, make them unable to care for a child, or negatively impact the child's care in any way, is prohibited.

Of course, they also refuse to adopt to anyone besides married heterosexual couples and single females, so take it with a grain of salt.

[–]Dragon_Fisting 38ポイント39ポイント  (14子コメント)

Based on all the other criteria I don't think its wrong for them to limit adoption to heterosexual couples and women. Openly gay people face massive discrimination in China and it would negatively impact the child as much as many of the disqualifying traits. It might be unfair to homosexuals looking to adopt but it makes sense in a child first policy.

[–]So_Motarded 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, some of the other disorders or disabilities they prohibit follow that logic as well. They won't adopt to a parent who is partially or fully blind, probably because being blind in China is WAY more detrimental than in a developed country. A blind US citizen would have very few issues with parenting, but for a blind Chinese citizen it might be damn near impossible.

[–]bizbimbap 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why is it harder to be blind in China than in USA? They don't have Braille over there?

[–]So_Motarded 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Living a normal life as a blind person is about way more than just reading, dude. And Braille wouldn't be compatible with mandarin or Cantonese anyway.

The chinese government doesn't really have an ADA equivalent, so nothing is structured with disabilities in mind. Sidewalk and crosswalk layout, public transportation, public buildings and entrances, housing... none of it has to adhere to any consistent accessibility standards.

Not to mention lacking the same kind of support as the American Foundation for the Blind offers (as far as I know, there's no Chinese equivalent).* Being connected to Braille or audio conversions of books, assistive technology, service animals, and education for living with blindness is indispensable.

Being completely blind in the USA isn't at all detrimental, provided you live in the right area and have access to AFB resources. Living in China would probably mean not being able to lead a normal, independent life.

[–]werewere 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

But there isn't much adoption within China. Most adopted Chinese babies are going overseas (esp America)

[–]ninjaofwar 38ポイント39ポイント  (5子コメント)

The parents also must have all 4 functioning eyes... They cannot be "Blind in either eye"

[–]ohaiitsgene 74ポイント75ポイント  (4子コメント)

China has had a history of orphans finding their way into piracy. This was instituted to prevent that.

[–]exner 770ポイント771ポイント  (26子コメント)

This reminds me of a scene in the Ali G movie where he's put in charge of immigration and only allows fit women into the country.

[–]jonathanrdt 145ポイント146ポイント  (8子コメント)

I dropped in to see if anyone would mention the 'too many mingers' immigration policy.

We ain't got enough fit women.

And we is got too many mingers.

No offence, Karen.

[–]Piemasterjelly 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fit means something different in British slang than its normal meaning just out of interest :D

[–]SouthShoreBum 610ポイント611ポイント  (60子コメント)

It's obviously to keep Samoans out. Any Samoan with a BMI under 1000 is already a professional rugby player

[–]paulfknwalsh 354ポイント355ポイント  (49子コメント)

looks around Auckland

well that didn't work

[–]Raz0rLight 102ポイント103ポイント  (48子コメント)

Looks around otara.

FTFY

[–]schmabers 36ポイント37ポイント  (47子コメント)

I was always under the impression they got fat once they got here, seeing as we have an abundance of pig fat and wheaty food.

[–]Raz0rLight 49ポイント50ポイント  (45子コメント)

Not so much, the pacifica culture seems to encourage it with the high fat diet from the get go (coconut cream being a huge offender) and more of a cultural acceptance for overweight individuals, some of it is genetic to be fair, but I really do think its a culture thing.

[–]paulfknwalsh 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is a cultural background to this, but there's also some interesting recent economic factors.

Pacific Islanders have always had an acceptance of weight; the wealthier you were, the bigger you were. But before colonisation, the general population weren't overweight; their diets were largely foods like taro (breadfruit), coconuts and seafood. These are all labour-intensive sources of food - coconut and taro take a lot of physical preparation to get ready (have you ever had to harvest a coconut right from the tree??) - and collecting seafood with no metal or plastic implements / technology is also hard work. So their diets and lifestyles kept them healthy by default. They'd have a feast once a month or so when someone slaughtered a pig, and eat as much as they could then, but generally they were in good shape. (Here's a photo of a bunch of Samoans from 1890 or so, as an example.)

After trade routes were established, though - and particularly after the intensive Western colonisation of the Pacific during WWII - they started getting imported food. Foods like corned beef and sugary white bread that the soldiers and sailors bought with them became local favourites.

Then, a more sinister development; once refrigerated shipping became ubiquitous, farmers in America, Australia, the UK and New Zealand all discovered that Pacific Islanders had very low standards when it comes to meat. They could take all the fatty offcuts and sell them to these remote islands, for slightly more than they would make selling it as pet food. So unhealthy cuts like chicken frames, turkey tails and mutton flaps from New Zealand lambs (comprising around 30% fat by weight) end up as primary meats in the Pacific Islander diet.

Since they didn't have a history of cattle farming there - the only local non-fish meat came from the occasional pig or goat - they were (culturally) unaware they were getting fed the scraps off the global table. Combine this food with a shift from an active lifestyle of fishing + farming to a Western lifestyle of sitting in shops, in front of computers, and in front of TVs - minus all the walking / public transport commuting that is probably the only exercise keeping a bunch of us from being obese - and.... boom. 9 of the 10 fattest nation-states are Pacific islands.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/pacific-islanders-fatal-diet-blamed-on-kiwi-exports-655190.html

TL:DR; Pacific Island countries have been used as a dumping ground for fatty meat offcuts from the Western world for the last 70+ years; their obesity epidemic is not entirely of their own doing

[–]schmabers 25ポイント26ポイント  (39子コメント)

fat isn't what makes humans fat though...

[–]jaysalos 61ポイント62ポイント  (12子コメント)

But fat can pack a huge amount of calories in a very small space like the coconut cream mentioned above. Its easy to consume too many calories on a high fat diet.

[–]BipolarBear05 15ポイント16ポイント  (9子コメント)

Fat is the most calorie-dense macronutrient, though.

[–]ModerateBias2 10ポイント11ポイント  (12子コメント)

wheat isn't either.

calories. its the only thing that does... and fat is dense in it.

[–]rabidnz 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

too late, there are already more samoans in auckland than there are in apia

[–]some_sort_of_monkey 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair many rugby players have high BMIs as they are heavy for their hight due to being very muscular.

[–]nurb101 446ポイント447ポイント  (81子コメント)

People don't realize most developed countries deny people with pre-existing health conditions.

[–]bureX 264ポイント265ポイント  (54子コメント)

Most countries refuse to accept anybody who does not have the ability to sustain themselves through work.

[–]XClassSolarFlare 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

My mom always complains about that. Back in the day, as an immigrant she had to go through health check ups and wait until she was allowed in the country. She always says "They were acting like I was marrying the King".

[–]Codexed 488ポイント489ポイント  (148子コメント)

Considering New Zealand has a fairly comprehensive Healthcare program, this makes complete sense.

[–]schmabers 53ポイント54ポイント  (4子コメント)

our public transport is slow as it is man.

[–]Iosefowork 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

Bloody Aucklander. Bet you don't even use public transport.

[–]schmabers 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

well since my car broke down, i've realised its actualy a fairly cheap way of getting around. but god its lonely.

[–]recz255 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

You always drove your car with good company? BS.

[–]Brigante87 119ポイント120ポイント  (123子コメント)

They have an obesity problem.

[–]DNamor 284ポイント285ポイント  (108子コメント)

So does every single first world nation. It's a global epidemic. (Yes that includes Africa, check the WHO app)

[–]whoamiamawho 114ポイント115ポイント  (101子コメント)

Most but definitely not every. South Korea and Japan are good examples of first world countries with obesity rates between 3~4%

[–]snorlz 223ポイント224ポイント  (62子コメント)

thats because fat shaming is not a thing in those countries. or at least, the idea that fat shaming is wrong isnt. if youre fat, people will call you out and tell you to lose weight and its totally normal. almost like they recognize obesity is a purely bad and undesirable thing

[–]SushiStalker 84ポイント85ポイント  (30子コメント)

Uh.....Koreans are vicious and cruel even towards people Westerners would consider chubby. People are quite literally shamed into being fit. They may have lower rates of obesity, and their food certainly does help (yay kim chi!), as does their love of the outdoors (yay hiking!) but unfortunately the high sodium content does not do them any favors. But damn it, if it isn't delicious. Anyway my point is, yeah they're fit, but societal shame plays a part, and it's not all roses; sodium content is a major problem.

[–]ungulate 89ポイント90ポイント  (10子コメント)

To be fair, Koreans shame each other for pretty much everything. You'll never have people talking behind your back in Korea. It's always to your face, in public.

[–]SushiStalker 39ポイント40ポイント  (2子コメント)

My mother once told our landlord at the time that his daughter came to visit. She didn't know it was her daughter, so instead gestured like she was holding a tire around her waist, and said, "a really fat woman came by looking for you earlier today." It was terrible.

[–]MW_Daught 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Extra sodium has basically been shown to have no effect on your health whatsoever, and has just been a whipping boy for nutritionists for no real reason for the past few decades, sorta like fats.

[–]Cockoisseur 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

sodium content being a problem is debatable... it's been proven virtually harmless in some studies.

[–]TheBallsackIsBack 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh no! A society that values health and sees taking care of yourself as the requisite bar to exist! What a terrible thing!

[–]michaelpaulhartman 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yup, I am teaching in Korea and the kids constantly call even the slightly chubby kids "fat" all the time. The Korean teachers don't seem to mind.

[–]Eurasian-HK 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

And they don't need to "add more fuel to the fire"

[–]canyouhearme 12ポイント13ポイント  (11子コメント)

Australia do it too. It's all down to not wanting to give permanent residency to liabilities. So you generally need to pass the points test (so you are likely to get a job that an aussie couldn't do), not be a health liability, not be too old, etc.

Why would you let in someone who couldn't meet those requirements?

[–]unverified_user 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Well smoking saves healthcare money because people die before they get too old. Shouldn't obesity be the same way?

[–]ripleyclone8 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wouldn't it cost more due to people often being terribly ill before they die prematurely?

[–]unverified_user 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wouldn't it cost more due to people often being terribly ill before they die prematurely?

Just speaking from personal experience, my grandmother is 95 right now. She lived a perfectly healthy life, but she's been dying for the past 10 years.

[–]dowopamok 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, once people retire they aren't contributing much in taxes anymore and start having to use the healthcare system far more. This can go on for decades.

I can definitely see how dying before retirement age (from a heart attack or lung cancer) could save the system a lot of money. However, on the other end of spectrum there would be those with chronic illnesses who don't work or pay taxes.

[–]Takuya813 89ポイント90ポイント  (17子コメント)

Yep-- American who got a kiwi residency visa. They totally make you do an entire physical and everything. They have a robust healthcare system but only 4.4M people, so they want to make sure it doesn't get out-of-balance.

They also make allowances for certain pacific islanders who are granted NZ citizenship based on colonial statuses and whatnot.

They reject based on BMI, diseases, and a host of other factors, to ensure they can provide basic services adequately.

[–]ketsuban25 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

Having to do a physical for a residency visa isn't unique to NZ. I had to do one to move to the US :)

[–]000Destruct0 115ポイント116ポイント  (31子コメント)

How the hell did Kim Dotcom get in then?? Must be a pretty loose standard...

[–]Hedonistic- 236ポイント237ポイント  (12子コメント)

Having millions of dollars smooths over most anything.

[–]horrblspellun 41ポイント42ポイント  (5子コメント)

You many not realize this, but they literally have a program for people with over 1.5 million to invest and become citizens. I read some where this is the actual program kim used.

http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/invest/investment/

[–]Gonna_Rape_You 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

Putting money into the NZ economy, I guess. Don't really see a downside to it - you either don't get in because you'd burden the healthcare system, or you pay your way in so your potential cost on the healthcare system is null.

[–]PrivilegeCheckmate 39ポイント40ポイント  (4子コメント)

Or he can just buy enough helium to offset.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_JOHN_KEYS3 90ポイント91ポイント  (1子コメント)

He is rich. Obese people have lots of health problems, but because he is rich will go to a private hospital and the state won't have to pay for his care.

[–]schmabers 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

how many john keys have you gotten?

[–]paulfknwalsh 40ポイント41ポイント  (13子コメント)

He's actually pretty tall, so his BMI might still be below the cutoff point of 35. (If you use this chart as a guide it looks like he'd still be 'Obese Class I'.)

Plus, millions of dollars helps.

[–]Ser_Bron 17ポイント18ポイント  (10子コメント)

He looks to be only about a foot or so tall in that picture. I can tell, because he is standing next to a Tarsier.

[–]paulfknwalsh 18ポイント19ポイント  (9子コメント)

haha, fair call. this shows his height a bit better.. a quick google says his height is either 6'4" or 6'7", and his weight is between 250 and 300 pounds; so he's definitely in the borderline region of 35, depending on what his stats actually are..

[–]Impeesa_ 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

Kim Dotcom is literally Kingpin?

[–]Murgie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's the neck. He's got the neck for it.

[–]FerengiStudent 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looks closer to 350-400.

[–]Yeti_Poet 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a fat guy, he's over 300 for sure, especially at that height.

[–]CRAG7 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep. I'm 6'1" and used to be 260lbs and looked much leaner than that (was definitely fat, though)

[–]_pulsar 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

between 250 and 300 pounds

😂

[–]I_LOVE_PAINAL 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

that's hilarious. he's way over 300

[–]dopestep 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like how after a certain weight bracket, they start classifying obesity in the same way they classify Kaiju.

[–]Mr_Zero 71ポイント72ポイント  (7子コメント)

TIL from Fox News. This is a turning point for Reddit.

[–]Bob_Skywalker 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit hates fat people more than Fox News. That's why nobody is saying anything about the source.

[–]deckchair 179ポイント180ポイント  (6子コメント)

We have a public healthcare system and we don't want to pay for any more fat bastards, we got our own.

[–]mattreyu 331ポイント332ポイント  (47子コメント)

Too many fatties and it'll sink into the ocean

[–]Face_Roll 451ポイント452ポイント  (27子コメント)

That's how they lost the original Zealand.

Never forget.

[–]fakesocialiser 36ポイント37ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well that's technically true, the dutch province Zeeland that NZ is named after is mostly below sea level.

[–]poizan423 50ポイント51ポイント  (20子コメント)

Uhm, I live on the original Zealand. As far as I know it's still there.

It's the largest danish island, it's where Copenhagen is located.

[–]undershaft 164ポイント165ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh my god guys we found it!

[–]fakesocialiser 63ポイント64ポイント  (5子コメント)

No, new Zealand is named after the dutch province Zeeland.

Australia was originally New Holland.

[–]Space_Pirate_R 35ポイント36ポイント  (3子コメント)

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam.

[–]Cyerdous 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why they changed it I can't say.

[–]poizan423 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Australia was originally New Holland.

I thought that was Mars.

[–]SirGuyGrand 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

New Zealand is actually named after the Dutch Zeeland.

[–]Rodrigo_Loco 45ポイント46ポイント  (15子コメント)

They are worried that the island will capsize

[–]Awkotaco234 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]threalseymourskinner 14ポイント15ポイント  (11子コメント)

Nah only the South Island is a canoe (Waka).

[–]soiedujour 8ポイント9ポイント  (10子コメント)

Yeah but the north is a fish, at least the Waka has stability.

[–]schmabers 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

first time i've ever heard someone call the south island a stable environment.

[–]soiedujour 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'd say there are more stables in the South than the North Island. Even with the shaky environment here in Canterbury.

[–]schmabers 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

clearly never been up the kauaeranga valley.

[–]soiedujour 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Lulz. It's true, I haven't.

[–]schmabers 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

its like someone took a bunch of people from the hauraki plains and just placed them in the coromandel bush, and deforestation ensued. deforestation in the name of horse.

[–]soiedujour 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stupid short geraffes.

[–]Takuya813 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

te-ika-a-maui what what. we all know te upoko o te ika a maui is where it's at.

[–]soiedujour 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not a huge fan of the windy city; then again, I live in earthquake country.

[–]DAECircleJerk 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]Kerrby87 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know the context for that, nor do I want to. It is magical just listening to him ask/state that.

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[–]ir0n_Mang0 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

We have socialized healthcare here in NZ and they don't want people immigrating here who have a high chance of developing heart disease/diabetes. We all pay as part of our taxes thats why if you have a job your more likely to get in as-well.

[–]Zambah 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

When I emigrated to New Zealand from the UK, to become a permanent resident, my whole family had to have a full medical screening, including chest xrays. I was young, but the way it was explained to me was they don't just let any old random people in, you need to be able to prove you will be of benefit to the country (my parents were in medicine), and don't have any major diseases that will end up with you living solely on government welfare.

[–]looklistencreate 23ポイント24ポイント  (8子コメント)

Does this have anything to do with Polynesian culture? There are some Pacific islands where people get huge and I'm betting some of those people have tried to live in New Zealand.

[–]paulfknwalsh 26ポイント27ポイント  (5子コメント)

Some Pacific Islands are politically affiliated with NZ, so don't need residency visas (Niue, Cook Islands, Tokelau), and others have special immigration avenues (eg there's a 'Samoan quota' for Western Samoa).

Anyway, I don't think it's directly related. Even though something like 8 of the 10 fattest nation-states are Pacific Islands, that's not a factor in the immigration specifications, as far as I know; its just one of a range of medical checks that prospective immigrants need to pass. (Based on the logic that we don't want to get new citizens that immediately become burdens on our public healthcare system.) edit: and over 35 BMI is at the high end of obesity. A lot of Islanders - men especially - are tall as well as big, so their BMI may not be that high.

[–]monkeymonkey12345678 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

for Western Samoa

That's because after WW1 the British gave us West Samoa as a a reward, we were mean cunts though and now we feel bad. I think there is also the only country we signed like a friendship treaty with as well.

[–]bludgeonerV 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those 3 are technically autonomous New Zealand territories (or sovereign nations in free-association in the case of Niue and Tokelau), all citizens of those countries are NZ citizens, while they self-govern for the most part New Zealand is responsible for their defence and foreign affairs.

[–]im_philbo 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unless they can run 100 in about 10 as well. Then they get a Rugby contract.

[–]Mkilbride 25ポイント26ポイント  (32子コメント)

But I know tons of fat people from NZ...

[–]X210690 75ポイント76ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's because they don't kick NZ citizens out for being obese.

[–]Kapaw91 79ポイント80ポイント  (15子コメント)

If each person weighs 500 kg. You would only know two people from NZ.

[–]tony27310 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

he said "tons", so minimum two tons, or 4 500Kg friends.

[–]Eurasian-HK 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did they immigrate to nz? Or were they born in nz? Cause this whole thread is about residency visas.

[–]MpVpRb 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reminds me of a joke..

There's tons of girls there..just not that many

[–]Yanrogue 96ポイント97ポイント  (101子コメント)

Well don't get that fat without trying. The lack of discipline is a good sign that they would not make good citizens.

[–]calm_down_you_weirdo 42ポイント43ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really enjoy this gentler, more subtle brand of shitlording that we've collectively adopted. Keep fighting the good fight, shitlords.

[–]Demented_Alchemy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kim Dotcom doesn't count

[–]thoughtsandplots 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its logic when the government does it and Fat People Hate when we do it.

[–]slowwarrior 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Linking to fox news on reddit? That's a bold move.

[–]probpoopin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Don't know why that is shocking. They have healthcare and taking in a bunch of fatties would be expensive. I don't think it is news, a secret, or should be surprising.

[–]untitled_redditor 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

Best. Policy. EVER.

[–]kyle2143 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

I can't wait until Tumblr gets a hold of this, that will be hilarious for me.

[–]bludgeonerV 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

The good part is most of them won't be allowed into the country so we don't have to listen to them complain about how unjust it is.

[–]philips_66 14ポイント15ポイント  (13子コメント)

Any nation with a social medical system or universal healthcare suddenly has a massive interest in the health of the citizens. We all end up paying for everyone else's bad habits. The question is how far do you take this?

I have felt and still feel that people who manage themselves poorly should pay more medical premiums than the rest of us. An athlete who plays dangerous sports should pay more. A fat guy should pay more. A smoker should pay more. They are putting themselves in harms way and risking everyone else's money.

[–]bludgeonerV 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

Smokers pay not only for themselves, they subsidise everyone else. The taxes on smokes go well beyond the extra cost of smoking related illness considering everyone who wants to smoke at all pays them and not just the chronic long-term smokers who are at a substantially higher risk.

[–]fauxmosexual 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's also the fact that they die young - even putting aside the tobacco taxes, the money saved on superannuation and not having to provide geriatric care is more than the cost of smoking-related illness.

[–]BuckyDoneGun 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's exactly how the NZ system works. ACC levies are collected in several ways:

  • Individuals pay alongside income tax and how safe your job is changes what you pay, for example deep sea fishermen, miners, explosives techs all pay more. The highest levy? Professional sports players, who pay about 4 times as much as a regular employee.

  • Businesses pay alongside business tax. As above with risk.

  • Vehicle licensing fees include an ACC levy and newer, safer cars attract lower fees. Motorbike riding organ donors pay heftily.

  • Alongside fuel tax, so drivers who drive more distance and hence have a higher risk pay more.

  • Sports clubs pay ACC fees also to cover amatuer players.

And yeah you have ciggie tax, but that's not ringfenced off to purely pay for cancer, and doesn't remotely approach the total cost of cancer treatment.

[–]MineralsMaree 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

And yeah you have ciggie tax, but that's not ringfenced off to purely pay for cancer, and doesn't remotely approach the total cost of cancer treatment.

Tobacco taxes more than cover the costs imposed on our healthcare system by smokers.

[–]bludgeonerV 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

And yeah you have ciggie tax, but that's not ringfenced off to purely pay for cancer, and doesn't remotely approach the total cost of cancer treatment.

Most cancer treatment is NOT smoking related, smoking related cancers make up about 20-30% of all cancers and those who are affected are almost always 'life-long' smokers which actually account for a very small percent of the total number of consumers, so the typical smoker (smokes from their late teens till early 30s) contributes a substantial amount of revenue and is highly unlikely to need any treatment for smoking related illness in their lifetime.

[–]DNamor 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not sure about fat people but smokers do pay more; the tax on their cigarettes covers this.

You could also argue that by dying younger (fat and smokers) they put less of a strain on the system.

[–]not_a_gov_employee 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good I wish Canada would do the same. Nothing but a burden on our health care system.

[–]shadyxGKMC 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

Good, obese people put a strain on a lot of public systems, especially when the health system in NZ is free.

[–]Hepzibah3 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

The important part in this article is missing. How overweight is she?

[–]bludgeonerV 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, her BMI is over 35 and she has to lose 'pounds' to get in, so i'd say she's somewhere between 'extremely fucking fat' and 'holy shit that's a pink whale'

[–]selfish_liberal 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bunch of shitlording in this thread.

[–]exyccc 8ポイント9ポイント  (11子コメント)

What about muscular people?

[–]ghostapplejuice 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

They also measure girth. A muscular person wouldn't have a big belly, and the immigration people would just be able to see they are fit.

[–]atlacoya 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm someone who went through the NZ immigration system. I had to get a comprehensive physical but wasn't ever asked my BMI directly. It's likely just one of the many notes my doctor filled out on the forms. This article makes it sound like they ask you to write your BMI on the form or something but it wasn't like that at all.

Since it's an actual doctor doing the exam--usually your family GP who knows your history and has been treating you for a while--I doubt any muscular, fit people are getting rejected under this system. They'd have to have a personal doctor who lied about their fitness on the forms.

[–]Divazio 70ポイント71ポイント  (75子コメント)

Good. We need more of this in the world. Shaming too.

[–]bizness_kitty 136ポイント137ポイント  (11子コメント)

Maybe we should start a subreddit about hating these kinds of people.

[–]carl_the_litter 92ポイント93ポイント  (9子コメント)

we should call it something like r/peopleWithHighBMIhate

[–]The_NC_life 52ポイント53ポイント  (8子コメント)

Wow that's a mouthful.

Why not just call it /r/fatpeoplehate. Doesn't look like anyone has taken that yet

[–]Cashews4U 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well we wouldn't anyone to be offended now! Fat shaming is far worse than watching people die or necrophilia, so we can't allow a sub like that to be on this utopian website!

[–]allyboi101 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm from NZ and have lived here my whole life...I wasn't even aware! It's a great idea IMO

[–]sifumokung 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

So do we ban New Zealand from reddit now?