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Israel/PalestineA massive gate unearthed in Israel may have marked the entrance to a biblical city that, at its heyday, was the biggest metropolis in the region. (livescience.com)
ShakoWasAngry が 1日前 投稿
[–]dicesoon 96ポイント97ポイント98ポイント 21時間前 (4子コメント)
And here I thought it would be a Stargate.
[–]Helium_3 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 16時間前 (1子コメント)
We don't know for sure it's not yet!
[–]exzon 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 8時間前 (0子コメント)
Indeed.
[–]OccamsRifle [スコア非表示] 51分前 (0子コメント)
That's in Egypt
[–]jgreenz 149ポイント150ポイント151ポイント 1日前 (47子コメント)
Early in Genesis it says that giants roamed the earth....and Goliath was a giant....and this city is "very large...gigantic even".....I think it's safe to jump to the conclusion that this was the home of giants. Boom.
[–]HiHoJufro 82ポイント83ポイント84ポイント 1日前 (28子コメント)
What are the odds that the giants are merely asleep, and that archaeologists are about to do something for which we'll all pay the price?
[–]Ikimasen 96ポイント97ポイント98ポイント 1日前 (9子コメント)
Based on the Lovecraft I've read, archaeologists aren't gonna let dozens of warnings stop them from getting to the bottom of their own sanity.
[–]locustgate 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 20時間前 (8子コメント)
What do you mean Lovecraft, based on ever post-Apocalypse/apocalypse book I've read even if a sexy alien/goddess/robot/spirit/etc came out of no where and said "Don't Open The Damn Door." they'll open the 'door'.
[–]NakedTonyDanza 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 18時間前 (3子コメント)
The Streisand Effect will spell the death of humanity.
[–]Celerit4s 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 15時間前 (2子コメント)
If I had the key to unleash an ancient evil I would be waaay to curious...sorry
[–]Just_Call_Me_Cactus 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 15時間前 (0子コメント)
Especially if I could get them re-situated, and hock the diet pills that MC PeePants has created!
...
I want candy
[–]TacitMantra 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/redbut.html
[–]NageIfar 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
alien/goddess/robot/spirit/etc
Strange path for the etc folder...which linux are you using?
[–]MikeSeth 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
Or as it is known on the internet, the crotch eating cricket effect
[–]LissomeAvidEngineer 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
Being the first famous writer to pen such a tale means everyone since is merely paying homage to his memes.
[–]slvrbullet87 [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Well it would be a really boring book if they said "ok" and then went home and had tea.
[–]JarateIsAPissJar 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 20時間前 (1子コメント)
Archaeologists already unleash evil curses and untold evil on a daily basis.
[–]Pedrorox 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 9時間前 (0子コメント)
How come I always have to read half of these articles before I look up and see onion. Funny shit.
[–]Drakengard 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 18時間前 (0子コメント)
Not likely. David killed Goliath with a rock. I think our weapons more than make up for their potential size.
I mean, even if they pull a Vulcan Raven and carry around a giant mini-gun meant for an F16, I think we'll be okay.
[–]scalfin 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 18時間前 (2子コメント)
We took one of them out with a sling, and now we have nukes.
[–]pillarofthedirt 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 13時間前 (1子コメント)
Cthulhu eats nukes for breakfast.
[–]19Kilo 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 9時間前 (0子コメント)
I heard he actually switched to Paleo and Crossfit. Don't worry, you'll hear about it from him soon enough. That stuff is like a cult...
[–]Justwantsomelove25 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 16時間前 (0子コメント)
Attack on Titan: based on true events
[–]ananuttin 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 22時間前 (3子コメント)
Gog and Magog?
[–]fukier 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 18時間前 (1子コメント)
I was going to say Sodom.
[–]Dcajunpimp -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 13時間前 (0子コメント)
What a coincidence the two most heard words in Sodom were Gog and Magog.
[–]GarrioValere 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 20時間前 (0子コメント)
Eh I doubt we'll ALL pay the price. They'll just sort out the Middle East.
[–]CelicetheGreat 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 19時間前 (0子コメント)
Welcome to Nightvale
[–]SandCatEarlobe 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 16時間前 (0子コメント)
Even hibernation has limits on its length. They've been asleep for long enough that they'll never wake.
[–]Thatzionoverthere 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
Giants versus tanks world of giantankus lets make that a reality. I call the panzer!
[–]readitreddit0 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
We've got Nukes, don't worry.
[–]maninorbit 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 21時間前 (0子コメント)
I'd say about 25 to 1.
[–]notengoanadie 31ポイント32ポイント33ポイント 21時間前 (2子コメント)
I thought the giants home was in Rutherford New Jersey?
[–]ddrddrddrddr 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 18時間前 (0子コメント)
And Jesus didn't mention it to the Mormons? I doubt that.
[–]noiZdaFty 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 15時間前 (0子コメント)
That's East Rutherford.
Source: Am from Rutherford; all we have is no booze, high taxes, and trees.
[–]andr50 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 19時間前 (1子コメント)
HERE LIES BIGGIE SMALLS
[–]Liquidcymbal 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 10時間前 (0子コメント)
The mayor
[–]i_am_judging_you 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
Well back in those days someone like me (1.8m) would be called a giant.
[–]virak_john 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
No, that would be San Francisco.
[–]WayneJoker 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
You'd be perfect for a job at the History Channel.
[–]chibstelford -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 14時間前 (7子コメント)
I'm sorry but where in genesis does it say this?
[–]jgreenz 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 14時間前 (6子コメント)
Chapter 6
[–]chibstelford -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 13時間前 (5子コメント)
Are you referring to the Nephilim? I can't see any direct references to Giants
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%206
[–]AnticitizenPrime 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 13時間前 (2子コメント)
Come on man, I'm not even religious but I can Google: https://answersingenesis.org/bible-characters/giants-in-the-old-testament/
[–]chibstelford -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 13時間前 (1子コメント)
As can I. It just want obvious that it was referring to giants, on the wiki it described them as the offspring of gods children.
[–]no_time_for_pooping [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
You know what nephilim means right?
[–]jgreenz 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 13時間前 (1子コメント)
Nephilim means giant(s): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim
Also, if you switch versions, like check out The King James Bible, the word is giants.
Basically nephilim and giants are used interchangeably depending on the version of the bible.
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[–]mynamesyow19 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1日前 (0子コメント)
or perhaps he has kept you from meeting your demise thus far from chains of events that you caused yourself...?
That coin can be heads or tails equally when flipped
[–]trimun 27ポイント28ポイント29ポイント 20時間前 (0子コメント)
Ohhhh they've unearthed the top of the structures! I thought I was looking at foundations. Looking forward to seeing these after they've been dug out!
[–]SkyIcewind 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 12時間前 (1子コメント)
"Don't Cthulhu open inside..."
"Welp, I can't understand that, let's open it."
[–]BulletBilll [スコア非表示] 46分前 (0子コメント)
It's obviously saying not to devour the world and we're free to come inside.
[–]Taman_Should 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 18時間前 (0子コメント)
"Metropolis" as in more than a thousand people.
[–]herbw 32ポイント33ポイント34ポイント 19時間前* (10子コメント)
There are a few insights needed in order to understand these facts better. First of all, the originator of Peleset was Rameses 3, the gr-son of Ramese II, User Ma'at Ra, AKA, the Great. When the Sea Peoples (CF. Trude & Moshe Dothan) attacked northern coastal Khemet (Egypt), the troops of Ramesses 3 drove them back, and captured and enslaved them. Once they were settled down, they sent them off to the area of what's now Gaza. As because they were called the Peles, they were sent to live in what became known as Peleset, or the land of the Peles. The relationship of Peles to Pelasges, may not be coincidental.
At the foundational deposits of those early settlements, the Dothans found stirrup jars, marine motifs, gray Minyan ware and other characteristics of the ancient Achaeans, the Ahhiyawa. Thus among those Peles, or Sea Peoples, were many Achaean Greeks from shortly after the time of Homer's Troy. & the Odyssey, at which time Homer stated they DID attack coastal Egypt and Odysseus and his men WERE enslaved, very similarly to what's found on Ramesses' palace and temple Pylon at Deir al-Bahari on the West Bank of the Nile. That is across from the capital, Wuaset (literally, Place of Power), now called El Luxor.
It's easy to see how Peleset gets changed to Philistine and then to Palestina, and then Palestine in our times. That was about 11th C. BC, as well. So the history of the Philistines is also the history of Egypt and comes down even to this day in the Holy Land, Palestine.
To give some archeological and historical background to these findings. & frankly Diomedes (of the Great War Cry) and many other Achaeans were KNOWN to be very huge men, such as Ajax. The mythos of the Titans are not without some basis. This also corroborates the giant, Goliath, as historically within precedence among the Peleset. & thus to Gath.
[–]ozziedog 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 12時間前 (5子コメント)
Wow what truck load of conjecture. Amazing how you alone discovered the true identity of the sea peoples. But I don't get how Pelset goes to Philistine and then to Palestine. Peleset to Palestine makes sense linguistically but Philistine does not. Why go from a P sound to an F sound and back to P again?
[–]strl 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 10時間前 (1子コメント)
He is correct that the Hebrew word in the bible is Pleshet (he calls it peleset but they are both essentially similar in Hebrew). Of course most linguists think that this name is derived from the Hebrew word for invader, not the reason he gave.
Pleshet become Palestina in Latin from which Palestine is derived.
For some reason in English the biblical people had their name transformed to Philistines, I'm not actually sure why.
[–]Noamyoungerm 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 8時間前 (1子コメント)
In Hebrew, the same letter - פ - designates P and F. The sound depends on the end of the preceding syllable, and at the start of words it is always pronounced as P. In Arabic, the P sound is lost entirely and only F is pronounced, thus Palestinians actually say "filistin" and not Palestine
The same thing holds, under certain conditions, for ב B/V, כ K/X, and in ancient Hebrew, ג G/J ד D/Dh, ת T/Th. In modern Hebrew the alternative second version is never pronounced in native words.
[–]ozziedog [スコア非表示] 13分前 (0子コメント)
So do Arabs today call Palestine Filistine?
[–]herbw [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (0子コメント)
This is not conjecture but drawn from the inscriptions on the pylon of Ramesses 3 on the West bank of the Nile from Al Luxor; Homer's Odyssey; Michael Wood's "In search of the Trojan War", and Dothan's "The Sea Peoples".
[–]geronimo678 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 18時間前 (2子コメント)
Was Homer the only one who said the Greeks attached Egypt? I've never heard that they were the sea people's before
[–]bracciofortebraccio 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 10時間前 (0子コメント)
My professor (an Assyrologist) also believes in the theory that the Sea People were Greeks (or proto-Greeks) pushed to the sea by other Balcanic tribes, who in turn were pushed south by the so-called Illyrian invasion at the beginning of the Iron Age (1200 BC).
[–]herbw [スコア非表示] 1時間前* (0子コメント)
Dothans' work showed a very large part of the earliest Peleset inhabitants, the Philistines, had Achaean traits known from the Peloponnese Achaean cultures. The Achaeans were largely the ancient Greeks of the last 1/2 of 2nd millenium BC. MIchael Ventris was able to translate Linear B found at those Achaean (Mycenean) sites & they were an ancient dialect very much akin to classical Greek and very likely ancestral to it. Also Ramesses 3's pylon inscriptions stated the "peoples of the sea" had attacked coastal Egypt during his reign and what he did with them. Settled them on the coast of what is now Gaza, formerly called Philistia. Those lands have been often owned by the Egyptians for many centuries, in fact, including even centuries of the Ptolemid Greek dynasties in Egypt from ca. 300 BC until the Roman conquest.
[–]SquatThot -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 14時間前 (0子コメント)
Beautiful
[–]fgsgeneg 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 19時間前 (0子コメント)
Are they sure it's not a Stargate?
[–]johnturkey 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 14時間前 (0子コメント)
Or its one of the seals of hell...
[–]bluenoser613 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 17時間前 (0子コメント)
I was hoping it was going to be a Stargate.
[–]Archyes 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
a gate burried in the sand thousands of years ago....what can possibly go wrong!?
[–]Gonzored 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 13時間前 (0子コメント)
Is it just me or do these amazing historical discoverys always have the worst photo documentation?
[–]momsarev 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 16時間前 (2子コメント)
"Occupied continuously for 5000 years until 1948, when the Arab village left the site."
Hmmm, wonder what happened?
[–]Dcajunpimp 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 15時間前 (0子コメント)
"lived next to the Jewish kingdoms of Judah and Israel."
Apparently the neighbors came back.
[–]Thatzionoverthere 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
6 arab states invaded, most people don't like living in warzones so they moved away done deal.
[–]Busted_Stuff 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 13時間前 (0子コメント)
This is awesome! Hopefully this stays in the news and isn't given the silent treatment after they start making discoveries.
[–]Apoplecticmiscreant 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 11時間前 (0子コメント)
Quick, someone get Geraldo! This is the type of news that needs his massive, ugly mustache and hideous face.
[–]Bastardus_Obesus 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5時間前 (0子コメント)
Let's just make sure they don't plug it into the energy source. Who knows what will come out...
[–]dgonzal2 [スコア非表示] 2分前 (0子コメント)
I don't trust it unless it's on Ancient Aliens.
[–]screw_the_primitives 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 15時間前 (0子コメント)
also it may not have
[–]only_response_needed -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 18時間前 (1子コメント)
How old can this be? Didn't Israel belong to the Roman Empire, even in like 120? If so, what region would this be regarding.
[–]Legendary_Plus 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 18時間前 (0子コメント)
This is a 10th century BCE discovery. Israel was a client state of the Romans only in the last few decades of BCE.
[–]CandyPasserOuter 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)
Cue the Muslim world claiming this as a holy site of Islam in 3....2....1....
[+]oblique69 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 13時間前 (2子コメント)
All good atheists know there is no historical fact in the biblical record. Not one.
[–]alexman2323 -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)
A historical fact from the Bible is that a popular man referred to as Jesus live in the specific time frame.
History channel documents it, college text books do too.
Stay in school.
For atheists - Jesus existed in terms of factual historical documentation, I'm not saying that God is confirmed based off of historic studies.
[–]dgonzal2 [スコア非表示] 3分前 (0子コメント)
I'd like to see a credible non-religious source about Jesus' existence. I don't believe one exists. It'd be very difficult to validate something like that. It is true that some events recounted in the Bible seem to match events in history as they have been described by archeologists. It is even possible and likely that Jesus did live as a human - but I wouldn't consider it a fact at this time by any stretch.
[+]64vintage スコアが基準値未満のコメント-12ポイント-11ポイント-10ポイント 23時間前 (0子コメント)
Is that where Superman lived?
[+]portnux スコアが基準値未満のコメント-24ポイント-23ポイント-22ポイント 23時間前 (3子コメント)
Great, something else for Da'ish to blow up.
[–]mousefire55 37ポイント38ポイント39ポイント 22時間前 (2子コメント)
In Israel?
[–]portnux -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 14時間前 (1子コメント)
Doesn't matter to Da'ish.
[+]cocothecat11 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
Why bite the hand that feeds you? Especially when that hand is very powerful.
[+]Jambox_Ready スコアが基準値未満のコメント-12ポイント-11ポイント-10ポイント 1日前 (1子コメント)
It wasn't anything like egypt!
[–]VforVal 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 23時間前 (0子コメント)
Or China or Mesopotamia or the Indus valey, yes. But the thread isn't about these regions
[+]ozziedog スコアが基準値未満のコメント-49ポイント-48ポイント-47ポイント 23時間前 (36子コメント)
May, could and might. How about not at all? Ancient Israel was in Saudi Arabia.
[–]mousefire55 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 22時間前 (26子コメント)
Er, what? Could we have a source on this please that doesn't come from crackpotinc.com
[+]ozziedog スコアが基準値未満のコメント-22ポイント-21ポイント-20ポイント 22時間前 (25子コメント)
Look up Kamal Salibi from the University of Beirut. He uses linguistic analysis in reference to biblical story to put ancient Israel in Saudi Arabia just south of Mecca. Good luck finding any archeological evidence though. No digs allowed in Saudi Arabia.
Essentially 3000 years ago, Israelis were another Arab tribe in the region that embraced monotheism. Conquered by the Assyrians, they were released by Persia into what is now modern day Israel.
And these points: 1) Mecca and the Kabaa. The Arabs believe Abraham built this and the regional veneration of Abraham existed even before Islam. 2) The food laws for Muslims and Jews are virtually identical. Plus the old testament and the Koran sound a lot alike in terms of intolerance and absolutism. 3) The queen of Sheba is thought to have come from Yemen. That's next door. Today's Israel is a thousand miles north. 4) Zero evidence of the old temple or any Israeli writing in today's Israel despite all the digging. So either the bible was a story made up by a small group of pre-literate people living in modern day Israel or it is a history of a literate people that came from somewhere else.
Mind you I am not saying that modern Israel is not a legitimate country. I'm just saying that it is not the land of the patriarchs.
[–]mousefire55 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 21時間前 (3子コメント)
2) The food laws for Muslims and Jews are virtually identical. Plus the old testament and the Koran sound a lot alike in terms of intolerance and absolutism.
Isn't this because Mohammed basically copied the food laws of the Jews, as well as good chunks of their theological ideas?
[–]ReddJudicata 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 14時間前 (0子コメント)
Yes.
[+]ozziedog スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 19時間前 (1子コメント)
The thing is that Mohammed had to sway the local populace to his ideas. You can't just change the way people live wholesale and expect it to take. Circumcision was even before Judaism and probably the food laws were already there as well. Ever wonder why a crescent moon is on so many Islamic flags? It was a carry over from the previous worship of a moon god that held sway since early Mesopotamia. Look at Christianity. There was no way Arabian food rules (no pork especially) was going to fly in Europe. Circumcision didn't take either. Religions are built on the foundations of the former faiths.
[–]JacktheStripper5 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 18時間前 (0子コメント)
Culturally opportunistic perfect Devine revelation. Nice.
[–]MissingNo1028 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 21時間前 (17子コメント)
You realize that islam as a religion didnt exist until about 2500 years after the time of Abraham. I dont know why you think that any relation between Judaism and Islam would have roots that far back. The jews were in Israel. Modern day israel.
[–]JacktheStripper5 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 18時間前 (0子コメント)
This guy's making too bold a claim by saying that Israel was in the Arabian Peninsula but he is onto something. There were large Jewish populations across the region prior to Islam. Arabian religion was much more fluid at that time, with the modern day Kabaa serving as a worship sight to some animistic dirty or dieties. It's entirely possible that Abraham would have been lumped into that group.
[+]ozziedog スコアが基準値未満のコメント-14ポイント-13ポイント-12ポイント 20時間前 (15子コメント)
"You realize that islam as a religion didnt exist until about 2500 years after the time of Abraham."
Yes I do realize that. "regional veneration of Abraham existed even before Islam".
"I dont know why you think that any relation between Judaism and Islam would have roots that far back."
I don't. I'm saying Judaism and Arabs have roots that far back.
"The jews were in Israel. Modern day israel."
Sadly neither one of us has proof of where ancient Israel existed. Just because lots of people think it was there or want it to be there is not proof.
[–]dezradeath 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 19時間前 (14子コメント)
You know that giant Western Wall that the Jews pray to in Israel??? That is what remains of the ancient temple that was destroyed in 70 AD by the Romans. Do I need to be more clear? ISRAEL
[–]ozziedog -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 17時間前 (0子コメント)
That was the second temple. Absolutely zero evidence of the first temple before that. Nothing. No remnants of a foundation within, under or near the second temple. Nothing. How could that be? The legend is that the second temple was built around the first but there is nothing at all from that time save dirt. Was it that the Babylonians were more extreme and thorough at destruction than anyone before or since? Seriously. So if there was no first temple there was it fantasy of the imagination or did it exist somewhere else?
[+]subermanification スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 19時間前* (12子コメント)
The western wall was created during Herod's time as a surrounding to the supposed original site of the first temple. The western wall was made during the Roman occupation. Not sure where you are getting your facts.
Edit: People are mistakenly thinking I am trying to add support to the claim ancient Israel was in Arabia and not the Levant.
Edit 2: The people downvoting me are both wrong and stupid.
[–]SamuraiAccountant 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 19時間前 (11子コメント)
So you think that in the 70 year period between when the Jews were exiled to Babylon and returned to Israel, that they completely got the region mixed up and went to a new country? Not to mention the Jews that stayed behind and weren't exiled. That is a ridiculous claim you made with no historical basis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_captivity
[–]subermanification -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 18時間前 (6子コメント)
Cheers for downvoting me.. I think you've replied to the wrong comment. The Babylonians sacks ancient Israel in like ~560BC. The Romans ~500 years later. The Babylonians sacked the First Temple, the Romans sacked and levelled the second. When Israel was a vassal of Rome, during the occupation that is when the wall, of which only the Western wall remains, was built.
[–]SamuraiAccountant 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 18時間前 (5子コメント)
Not sure why you think on a site with thousands of people, that I am the one that downvoted you. Anyhow, I am not disputing what you said, just that to act as if somehow the wall is in some different country is just stupid. I think you overreacted to dezradeaths comment.
[+]ozziedog スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 16時間前 (3子コメント)
Have you read the bible? If you did you might notice that the Israelites did not get along well with their neighbors. Do you think after a 70 year absence that they would just get their neighborhood back? Hasn't worked for the Palestinians. Israel got what Persia gave them. Only the Persians had the force to put people where they wanted them in their empire. True I have no historical basis for this but neither do you. Before the Assyrian conquest there is no historical evidence of Israel anywhere.
[–]SamuraiAccountant 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 16時間前 (2子コメント)
Have you read the Bible or the history books? Do you know what happened during that 70 year period? It was quite clearly delineated what happened during that period. First off many Jews were still in that area, mainly the leadership was exiled to Babylon, and the wealthy. The Babylonians moved a new people into the land, who became known as the Samaritans. They were getting killed by wild animals, and did a half conversion type thing to Judaism in the belief that it would protect them from the god of the land. But yes, King Cyrus absolutely let the Jews have their "neighborhood" back when they returned. They were able to rebuild their Temple and live there for another 500 years or so, and their next exile had nothing to do with Babylon. Literally everything I said has historic basis to it. And what you said makes no sense logically and historically.
[–]jihadstloveseveryone 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Couple of corrections.
Yes supposedly Abraham build the Kabaa, but is is also known that the place he built it was far away from his home. He exiled his slave wife and new born son Ismael in the middle of some desert and build the Kabaa there.
Islam and Judaism sounds very similar because it is basically the same thing.
Queen of Sheba wasn't next door in the stories, she was from a distant kingdom with a very different culture.
[–]Kamal965 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 20時間前 (0子コメント)
Heh, surprised to see my father's friend mentioned here of all places.
[–]ReddJudicata 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 14時間前 (0子コメント)
Literally everything in this comment is wrong.
[–]yuksare 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 20時間前 (8子コメント)
The theory was universally rejected, and, according to Itamar Rabinowitz, had embarrassed many of his colleagues. Several academic reviewers criticised Cape for having accepted "The Bible Came from Arabia" for publication.[16][17][18]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamal_Salibi#Arabian_Judah_theory
Just another pseudoscientific theory. There are A LOT of conspiracies, myths, and pseudoscientific theories about Jews. It's just another one.
[–]Kaghuros 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 20時間前 (6子コメント)
Sounds like a way to discredit the Jewish claim to Judea/Israel in the eyes of gullible Saudis.
[–]Zenarchist 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 19時間前 (3子コメント)
Or as proof(!) that the kaaba was built by Abraham and therefore all of Islam is exactly accurate.
[–]Kaghuros 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 19時間前 (0子コメント)
People really think that?
I always thought it was a bit kooky that the largest holy site in Islam was a pagan altar built by locals to hold a meteorite. But I guess believing that it's not is a way to not be an idolater/apostate.
[–]ozziedog 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 16時間前 (0子コメント)
All the Abrahamic faiths are full of shit. I was only pointing out that before Islam, Abraham was venerated in the region by pagans there as well.
[–]eu_is_garbage 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 12時間前 (0子コメント)
checkmate
[–]ozziedog -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 16時間前 (1子コメント)
The Saudi's would NOT place Israel in Saudi Arabia. Lets say that evidence was found that placed ancient Israel in Saudi Arabia. Would you think that Israel should uproot itself and move wholesale to Saudi Arabia? It doesn't matter why Israel is where it is, it only matters that it is there. All kinds of people for all kinds of reasons have wound up where they are now and we don't question their legitimacy. Israel's legitimacy comes not from a book but from the reality of it is there.
[–]Kaghuros 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 15時間前 (0子コメント)
Of course. Israel is here to stay, but there is so much FUD spread around the Muslim world purporting to be proof that Jews are colonizers and all sorts of idiocy. The problem is not Israel's sovereignty, the problem is that Arabs and other Muslims, and even many non-Muslims in Europe and the U.S., believe that rhetoric and believe that Israel should be destroyed or sanctioned on that account.
[–]ozziedog -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 16時間前 (0子コメント)
Actually it's not a theory but a hypothesis. To prove it you would need evidence of which there is none. A few archeological digs in the region might prove or disprove his hypothesis but the Saudi's wont allow it because they don't want to believe that Jews were once Arabians any more than the Jews do. However there is also no proof of Israeli occupation of Israel before the Assyrian conquest either even after archeologists have thoroughly dug the region. You will see erroneous headlines like this that say so and so place is this biblical location but that is merely wishful thinking.
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