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[–]bdr_ 337ポイント338ポイント  (76子コメント)

If I ever get my girlfriend pregnant and the fetus shows signs of down syndrome/mental illness I'd pressure her to abort.

[–]akejri 108ポイント109ポイント  (10子コメント)

Man, you realise this is totally the norm In our civilisation? In France only, 92% of foetus with down syndrome are aborted. What do you think about that?

[–]mcnibz 27ポイント28ポイント  (6子コメント)

I can understand why, but those tests are not accurate. My mother was advised to abort me, as there was a high chance I had it. It was incorrect. I'm very thankful she took a chance.

[–]InfiniteBlink 57ポイント58ポイント  (0子コメント)

How do you know you're not just "special"? ;)

[–]smkn_ 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

but could you regret it if she had done it?

high chance is more than enough for me (and most people who are pro choice i would think).

also i dont think it is correct to say the test was inaccurate. if there was a 99% chance you would have it and you didn't it get it, it still wouldn't be inaccurate. you'd just be the 1%

[–]cactuscat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are different types of tests. Some are just screening that looks for signs, some actually look at the DNA now so can be far more certain.

[–]BB_Queen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same with my SO. MIL was told he probably had downs. He did not.

[–]Because_Im_an_idiot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

...was it incorrect though?

[–]JezzaN1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

seems like she still made the wrong call tbh

[–]IrishCynic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Abortion is illegal in Ireland.

[–]kevler9oh -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd love to see that cited.

Edit: yeah, down vote me for being curious you idiots.

[–]rrrx 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not just France; the 1999 paper estimates a 92% abortion rate across the EU.

[–]Rooked-Fox 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

You should talk to her about this before she gets pregnant.

[–]cactuscat 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

This! This is super important. Even before you try (accidents happen) you both want to at least know what each other thinks about these kinds of things.

[–]Bartlet4America 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

I had an uncle who had Down Syndrome. Was the nicest, most honest person you'd ever meet. I loved him dearly. He died at 59 (old for someone with Down's) because of a multitude of other health problems that come from having Down's (early Alzheimer's, for example). He could barely function the last 2 years of his life, often unable to feed himself and could almost never bathe himself.

He lived a great life and was actually very high functioning in his youth. He volunteered at a hospital for something like 15 years. He loved Elvis and country music (to an obsessive level, which is common for people with Down's). He was an amazing person that lived a very full life.

...but, even having having had the relationship I had with my Uncle Johnny, i'd likely still lean towards aborting.

Here is a video of my Uncle Johnny and his brother, my Uncle Gene, singing "I Can't Help Falling In Love With You" about 2 years before he passed

[–]dziwizona 19ポイント20ポイント  (6子コメント)

Those tests aren't 100% accurate. That's what happened to my little sister, they thought she might have Down's, and the doctors really urged my mother to abort. Both my parents were older, so it was ver possible. And nothing came of it, my sister is perfectly normal.

[–]GooseWithTatarSauce 111ポイント112ポイント  (1子コメント)

Her retarded sibling on the other hand

[–]ContraBols98 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That happened to me! Whenever I tell my friends they always go "oh that explains a lot" it's great

[–]cactuscat 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It depends on the tests used and they are improving all the time. Some are just screening that look for signs and then you get a probability. Nowadays there are also genetic tests that you may get anyway, or if the screening gives you 'high risk'.

I think it sucks that the doctors urged your mother to have an abortion. I don't have a problem with people choosing that, but pressuring someone? Urgh.

[–]tron_fucking_harkin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

same thing happened to me, my grandma tried to get my parents to abort me. bitch, look at me now.

[–]rrrx 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It depends upon which test you are talking about. There are prenatal diagnostic tests for Down syndrome which are almost 100% accurate.

[–]cactuscat 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty sure there are no tests for mental illness, though there are other disabilities that can be picked up during pregnancy (besides Down syndrome).

You should

a) Educate yourself a bit more so you actually know the reality of the situation, what can be screened/tested for, how accurate the results will be, what the prognosis would be.

b) Talk to your girlfriend before any pregnancy happens, even an accidental one. Don't wade in with "you should do X" because that will piss her off, but ask her what she feels and let her know your preference and why. If you ever end up having this kind of conversation about a real pregnancy it's going to be really really tough and emotionally charged, it's best to get these things aired ahead of that.

[–]DukeMcGoober 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm totally there with you.

[–]Rockmar1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd do the same. I didn't sign up for that

[–]elyisgreat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This also raises the ethical question of whether people with genetic disorders should be pressured into not reproducing?

[–]Valueduser -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shit, if my girlfriend ever got pregnant I'd be on the next bus to Mexico. I gotta go buy some smokes.... Gone!

[–]Kumquatodor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if it is mentally deficient, it wouldn't really tell the difference. They'd still love life, despite it. I don't think it's a good idea to deny them the life they'd live.

[–]MensRightsActivia -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

that isn't an extreme opinion, it is abusive behavior. if you were a real man you would tell your girlfriend this, but somehow I doubt you have.

[–]Lyfesyze -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

My aunt's doctor told her that her baby would have down syndrome and talked about her options, including abortion. She opted to continue the pregnancy and gave birth to a perfectly healthy daughter without any disabilities. I'm not sure how often the tests provide incorrect results, but just be sure to weigh your options if you are ever in this situation. You could be pressuring your girlfriend to abort a "normal" baby.

[–]mfball 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are extremely accurate tests for detecting Down Syndrome, but they carry a small risk of miscarriage, so a lot of people don't get them if they wouldn't abort a DS fetus. That's why so many people always show up in threads like this saying they tested positive but ended up being negative. The screening tests have a high rate of false positive, but the diagnostic tests are very accurate. Your aunt probably had the first test and not the second because she was willing to take the risk of having a baby with DS rather than getting an abortion if the second test had been positive.

[–]dblmjr_loser 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yea I don't understand how every time this gets posted there are at least a handful of people like you talking about false positives. Testing for trisomy should be trivial, I feel like I'm missing something.

[–]cactuscat 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The hard part is getting some of the baby's DNA. I believe it's become possible to do it with a blood test from the mother now, but previously it required amniocentesis which comes with a risk of miscarriage. Obviously some people will avoid that.

There is screening that can be done where they look at certain anatomical features and levels of various hormones in the mother's blood and then come up with something that is more like a probability or high risk/low risk - but it's not pretending to be 100% certain. That doesn't stop people getting confused about what results mean or misinterpreting them.

[–]dblmjr_loser 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ohh that explains it. I'm a computer guy...I figured they stabbed the shit out of the mother's uterus and grabbed a sample of baby and did their thing :D

[–]SaturnzIII -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

To keep it real with u. If my ex wouldve told me she was pregnant while we were still messing around i wouldve dissappeared down syndrome or not. I told her what the deal was not that it makes it any better. My dad said he'd drag me back and force me to take responsibility.