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[–]InjuredSandwich 40ポイント41ポイント  (3子コメント)

Someone isn't automatically a good or respectable person just for being in the military. Was that too far for reddit?

[–]rides_like_a_bitch 143ポイント144ポイント  (25子コメント)

Modern healthcare medicine sometimes saves those that shouldn't be saved...

[–]califuckyeah 71ポイント72ポイント  (20子コメント)

Feeling this right now though not sure if in the way you meant.

My aunt has brain cancer, a husband and 2 children ages 10 and 12. They just spent $200,000 they don't have to try to treat it. There's maybe a 5% chance she'll live another decade and a 95% chance she'll die within a year. With no treatment she would have had about 4 good months before starting to seriously deteriorate.

Now she's bedridden, drugged out of her mine and her kids fell behind in school from spending so much time in hospitals.

I wish she had just gotten drugs to keep her relatively comfortable and spent the rest of her good months making memories with her kids before she got too sick to do anything.. I hate that they've had to watch her all drugged up with a gnarly wound on her head and tubes and drains and shit everywhere and I hate that the father is going to have to spend the rest of his life climbing out of debt from a surgery that pretty much just made things worse but honestly even if money wasn't an issue I don't think they should have done it.

[–]nottraceable 30ポイント31ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't think you will ever understand how she feels unless you have walked her path personally. Even if it is 5%, that gives her hope.

You can easily talk from your position because you were never confronted with your mortality and you can pretend to be brave saying you would deny treatment. I just hope for you you will never have to make that choice because I guarantuee you it won't be that easy when the time comes.

[–]reptilesni 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

My father drafted his living will decades ago and made it clear he did not want to be resuscitated if his heart stopped. This was an amazing gift to me when I had to tell the doctors what he wanted after he had his heart attack.

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    [–]jagoob 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I don't believe that some lives "shouldn't" be saved in that certain people aren't worth saving because they are bad etc. But the idea that people spends hundred of thousands of dollars to prolong the inevitable on someone who is very elderly with terminal cancer etc is so short sided and provides no absolutely no benefit to anyone except for the hospitals bottom line.

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      [–]tron_fucking_harkin 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      not only that but medicare and medicaid (the taxpayer) a LOT of the time pay to keep these people alive. my experience is mostly with hospice and dialysis. you would not fucking believe how much medicare pays per year for one person on dialysis. and dialysis treatments havent been commonplace for that long, a few decades ago their conditions would be a death sentence. now they can live for years. and look im not saying we should let them die, its just something i have thought about. theres no easy answer.

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        [–]black_fire 122ポイント123ポイント  (12子コメント)

        The media doesn't "force feed" us propaganda. We buy it and recycle it to our friends and family. If we want it to stop (the same way we wanted things like HD Radio to stop) we would stop using it or echoing it.

        Not just that, but media companies are here to make money. Ethics go out the door if you can't pay your light bills or debt.

        [–]ajarndaniel 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

        There is propaganda in the media. There is also a media addiction which is fed by the desire not to change, not to address bad habits or intellectual stagnation. People who don't want to admit that themselves and the world require serious work are drawn to the propaganda.

        [–]AmeriCossack 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

        So basically, we're part of the problem.

        [–]Nat_Sec_blanket 26ポイント27ポイント  (3子コメント)

        The last time my wife talked about Trump I said this...
        "Why do you give a shit what Trump thinks? He is out there on a media marketing blitz because any coverage he gets will benefit him in the long run. He said wacky and crazy shit to stir the pot and you're gobbling it up. If you really, truly don't like what Trump says stop giving him what he wants, your attention."

        [–]Pipthepirate 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

        We should be concerned about what Trump says because even if he drops out what he is saying is polling well and causing other politicians to imitate his style

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              [–]BB_Queen 126ポイント127ポイント  (40子コメント)

              This sounds stupid to even say, but I am convinced that Beyonce faked her pregnancy. I don't know why I care, I just think it's interesting.

              [–]usuckusuckusucku 46ポイント47ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I can actually buy into that, but Jay-Z is 100% the father. Blue Ivy looks almost exactly like him...

              [–]BB_Queen 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Could be. The theory seems to be that they used a surrogate.

              [–]ReesyPiecey 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

              You know I saw that video where her belly "folded" and here's my theory...she's such a major celebrity, that maybe she used prosthetic bellies so people didn't know exactly how far along she was and try to estimate her due date and follow her around more closely to her due date or try to infiltrate the hospital or her doctors appointments. Paparazzi and the public can be super pushy and nosey and even more so with mega celebs

              [–]tahlyn 10ポイント11ポイント  (31子コメント)

              I didn't know this was a thing. Why would people believe that?

              [–]BB_Queen 44ポイント45ポイント  (30子コメント)

              Her belly folded in half during an interview on TV. Here's a video clip of it happening. Sorry it's a crazy conspiracy-type video, I couldn't find the actual interview.

              [–]xLegendarY 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

              It looked fake on her just walking up.

              [–]__Shadynasty_ 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

              This is hilarious, I never knew this was a conspiracy and there are so many videos on YouTube about it!!!

              [–]BB_Queen 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I know! I stumbled upon a video and laughed because there are so many conspiracy theories about Beyonce and Jay Z and the illuminati (I don't know what the hell the connection is supposed to be). But I saw this video and I'm pretty sold on the theory that that is a fake belly.

              [–]FieryAssMonkey 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Conspiracy videos in general.

              I watch two fucking flat-earth conspiracy videos just to see their argument for it, and now YouTube thinks I'm a flat-earth junkie.

              [–]CheekyChipmunk 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Whaaat the hell? That was... odd

              [–]Ashituna 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

              I have a feeling she was wearing high underwear or spanks to keep everything looking... Smooth. You're prob seeing all the layers of shit keeping her "in" folding, not the baby belly.

              [–]whoiscraig 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I dunno, wearing spanks while your pregnant seems like a really horrible idea.

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                [–]jilleebean7 19ポイント20ポイント  (10子コメント)

                That's really weird. I'm pregnant and there's no way my stomach could do that.

                [–]BB_Queen 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

                When I was that far along, my stomach was tight as a damn drum. It never buckled when I sat, that's for sure.

                [–]I_AM_A_GOLD_GIVER 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

                Why did you copy a youtube comment .

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                      [–]elomenopee 96ポイント97ポイント  (9子コメント)

                      This question never ends well

                      [–]the_one_true_b 83ポイント84ポイント  (6子コメント)

                      OMG people feel strongly against anti-vaxxers...there's an opinion I've never heard on reddit

                      [–]DoctorJohnZoidbergMD 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I'm a racist fuck

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                        [–]the_scruffy_janitor 30ポイント31ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        Kick flips are totally rad

                        [–]bdr_ 340ポイント341ポイント  (76子コメント)

                        If I ever get my girlfriend pregnant and the fetus shows signs of down syndrome/mental illness I'd pressure her to abort.

                        [–]akejri 110ポイント111ポイント  (10子コメント)

                        Man, you realise this is totally the norm In our civilisation? In France only, 92% of foetus with down syndrome are aborted. What do you think about that?

                        [–]mcnibz 24ポイント25ポイント  (6子コメント)

                        I can understand why, but those tests are not accurate. My mother was advised to abort me, as there was a high chance I had it. It was incorrect. I'm very thankful she took a chance.

                        [–]InfiniteBlink 58ポイント59ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        How do you know you're not just "special"? ;)

                        [–]smkn_ 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        but could you regret it if she had done it?

                        high chance is more than enough for me (and most people who are pro choice i would think).

                        also i dont think it is correct to say the test was inaccurate. if there was a 99% chance you would have it and you didn't it get it, it still wouldn't be inaccurate. you'd just be the 1%

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                            [–]Rooked-Fox 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            You should talk to her about this before she gets pregnant.

                            [–]cactuscat 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            This! This is super important. Even before you try (accidents happen) you both want to at least know what each other thinks about these kinds of things.

                            [–]Bartlet4America 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            I had an uncle who had Down Syndrome. Was the nicest, most honest person you'd ever meet. I loved him dearly. He died at 59 (old for someone with Down's) because of a multitude of other health problems that come from having Down's (early Alzheimer's, for example). He could barely function the last 2 years of his life, often unable to feed himself and could almost never bathe himself.

                            He lived a great life and was actually very high functioning in his youth. He volunteered at a hospital for something like 15 years. He loved Elvis and country music (to an obsessive level, which is common for people with Down's). He was an amazing person that lived a very full life.

                            ...but, even having having had the relationship I had with my Uncle Johnny, i'd likely still lean towards aborting.

                            Here is a video of my Uncle Johnny and his brother, my Uncle Gene, singing "I Can't Help Falling In Love With You" about 2 years before he passed

                            [–]dziwizona 20ポイント21ポイント  (6子コメント)

                            Those tests aren't 100% accurate. That's what happened to my little sister, they thought she might have Down's, and the doctors really urged my mother to abort. Both my parents were older, so it was ver possible. And nothing came of it, my sister is perfectly normal.

                            [–]GooseWithTatarSauce 107ポイント108ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Her retarded sibling on the other hand

                            [–]ContraBols98 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            That happened to me! Whenever I tell my friends they always go "oh that explains a lot" it's great

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                              [–]cactuscat 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I'm pretty sure there are no tests for mental illness, though there are other disabilities that can be picked up during pregnancy (besides Down syndrome).

                              You should

                              a) Educate yourself a bit more so you actually know the reality of the situation, what can be screened/tested for, how accurate the results will be, what the prognosis would be.

                              b) Talk to your girlfriend before any pregnancy happens, even an accidental one. Don't wade in with "you should do X" because that will piss her off, but ask her what she feels and let her know your preference and why. If you ever end up having this kind of conversation about a real pregnancy it's going to be really really tough and emotionally charged, it's best to get these things aired ahead of that.

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                                [–]Helvedes 201ポイント202ポイント  (102子コメント)

                                I'm in for the fact that if immigrants or refugees are breaking a law in the country they come to they have to be sent back to their home country. I'm no racist but I seriously hate when people we welcome into our country don't give a fuck about the society. Like running over red light because they did it in their own country. No honey, no money.

                                [–]Stylnator 51ポイント52ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                The principle of nonreforment states that refugees cannot be sent back to their own country when their lives are threatened. Many refugees who come into certain countries experience serious xenophobia and cannot get jobs. This, coupled with serious PTSD from war torn countries results in many refugees becoming desperate for their families even in the country they enter.

                                I'm just trying to shed light on your 'bad people' cliche of refugee law breakers. The issue is a lot more complex than you think it is.

                                [–]harm_reduction7 18ポイント19ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                Why should a country have to take on that burden?

                                [–]thirstyfish209 65ポイント66ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                Because its a decent thing to do and we should all be looking out for each other

                                [–]Tangocan 35ポイント36ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                The same reason we send aid when a national disaster (such as the Japanese tsunami) occurs.

                                The same reason you would call an ambulance if you found someone injured on the side of a road.

                                [–]Phrich 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                They don't have to. They choose to do so because it is the right thing to do, and because it is good for humanity as a whole.

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                                      [–]hismikeness 189ポイント190ポイント  (51子コメント)

                                      A good hearty plague would do the planet well, provided it offed 15-20% of us.

                                      [–]Rockmar1 149ポイント150ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                      I always think this is funny. I mean yes, it probably would do us some good if the plague worked in EXACTLY the way we wanted it to.

                                      "Hey Mr. Plague, can you only kill exactly 18% of us? And can you try to spread it out a little so we don't accidentally destroy somewhere important? Maybe try to only kill the dumb people? Yeah if you could just do that that would be great!"

                                      [–]BigFish96 47ポイント48ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      If we wanted a plague that could would only remove dumb people we could just remove the warning labels from things.

                                      [–]nonnativetexan 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      Thinking that any people are actually reading warning labels on things, let alone the "dumb" people (whoever they are), is really giving a lot of credit.

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                                        [–]RidderRust 66ポイント67ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        Wow easy there Ra's al Ghul.

                                        [–]magnificentpineapple 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Do you volunteer as tribute?

                                        [–]MacrosCM 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        If enough people go with me, yes.

                                        [–]slowfreq 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        us meaning not you, right?

                                        [–]bongo1138 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Just not my 20%.

                                        [–]eking85 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Maybe some billionaire with a lisp can offer the other 80% a free cellphone, sim card and internet.

                                        [–]BartWellingtonson 27ポイント28ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                        You people are weird, the world isn't over populated.

                                        [–]Br0metheus 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Are you kidding me? With a 20% mortality rate, you're killing off 1 in 5 people. That would be the fucking end of human civilization.

                                        You might not realize it, but modern civilization is dependent on a hugely complex array of institutions and organizations to survive; Governments, businesses, producers of goods and services and foods. They all need people to operate, and oftentimes these people are specialized, performing specific roles for that organization.

                                        If you kill off 1 person in 5, you're going to cause incalculable disruption to all of those systems. Every person you remove contributes to a stacking butterfly effect across the system. Productivity won't just drop by 20%, it'll drop by closer to 80%. The plague will be the least of your worries, because people will be starving to death everywhere, which will only further contribute to the death spiral of civilization.

                                        A plague that kills off 15-20% of us would send us back to the stone age.

                                        [–]Mintaka7 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        so a plague that kills one leg of every person on earth? how would that help?

                                        [–]Devanismyname 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Nah, there needs to be more. At LEAST half of us.

                                        [–]tahlyn 11ポイント12ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                        Isn't the Bubonic plague attributed with ushering in the Renaissance. With fewer people around they were able to demand higher wages and ultimately that snowballed into the renaissance? Unless I am sorely mistaken (and if I am I am certain I'll be corrected).

                                        [–]DDBB4LYF 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Sort of. A little bit, but no really.

                                        The reduced population made feudalism no longer tenable.

                                        A mass dying off now would only bring misery. It wouldn't replace our political and economic system with something better.

                                        [–]andyzaltzman1 33ポイント34ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        Not really, or no one with a shred of academic training anyway. The plague did have the effect of rebalancing the value of labor, but to claim it "ushered in the Renaissance" is absurd.

                                        [–]GrooverMcTuber 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        The printing press and the fall of the Byzantine Empire had more effect.

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                                            [–]FoxHarem 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I totally agree, as long as it is none of my friends or family...

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                                              [–]SillyKneeGrow 139ポイント140ポイント  (53子コメント)

                                              If a woman hits a man repeatedly and he can't get away from her, I don't have a problem with him hitter her back.

                                              Edit: Getting a lot of hate for this not being "extreme" enough. If you're willing to say it in person to a group of feminists then I will be glad to agree with you.

                                              [–]LovingThatPlaid 94ポイント95ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              Damn, if a woman hits me once with intent of hurting me in a malicious manner, she is getting hit back. Play fighting, wrestling, even if you are into boxing or something and she is trying to hurt you, that's alright. But if it's out of malice, she's getting hit real quick.

                                              [–]flowgod 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Agreed. If I'm attacked I'm fighting back. I don't care what you have between your legs I'm going to hit you.

                                              [–]ChocolateDragonTails 26ポイント27ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                              Would this not constitute as self defence?

                                              [–]Superplex123 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                              I don't know the law, but to me personally, self defense is what it takes to defend yourself. Anything excessive is assault even though she started it (and of course the woman also assaulted you because she started it).

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                                                [–]unicornlocostacos 19ポイント20ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                Why so many conditionals? How many hits justifies it?

                                                [–]lvysaur 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                WHOAH MAN WE ASKED FOR EXTREME OPINIONS, NOT INSANE OPINIONS. /s

                                                [–]wickyewok 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                As a woman, if I hit anyone, I deserve to be hit back. Treat others as you expect to be treat yourself.

                                                [–]Neppey 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                There's nothing wrong with defending yourself. I don't think men should hit women... well, I don't think anyone should hit anyone, but if your situation happened I'd say he's okay to hit her back - at least enough to disable her and stop the fight. Appropriate response, basically.

                                                [–]pniggua 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                In Bruges- "I don't hit women. I would never hit a woman, Chloë. I'd hit a woman who's trying to hit me with her bottle, that's different, that's self defence, isn't it? Or a woman who could do karate. I would never hit a woman generally."

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                                                  [–]DDBB4LYF 89ポイント90ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                  Internet communities like Reddit are a good idea in theory, but in practice, they only seem to attract shitheads and extremists.

                                                  99% of the defaults are unreadable now because of people whinging about "SJWs" and how their "Free speech is being oppressed" because their shitty meme got removed.

                                                  The up/downvote system encoruages extremism I think. This community tends to look at things a black and white issue (We should have either no gun laws or totally ban guns!) when reality is literally always more nuanced and complicated than that.

                                                  [–]patpavs 249ポイント250ポイント  (61子コメント)

                                                  I'm socialist. I would gladly pay more in taxes in order for everyone to have education, healthcare, and many other things provided to them for free. Also I think that the government should put a cap on the annual wages for certain jobs.

                                                  Edit: I realize this is not too extreme, but many conservative Americans would consider it to be. Also, as long as we keep the process democratic and transparent, we shouldn't have to worry about the funds being misallocated.

                                                  [–]Braver_Incident 109ポイント110ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                  That's not socialism, thats social democracy, a socialist wants the means of production reappropriated to society. Taxes and free services having nothing to do with an economic system separate from capitalism

                                                  [–]PacSan300 26ポイント27ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                  Spot on. Some conservatives in the US call Sweden a "socialist paradise", when it's really a capitalist social democracy.

                                                  [–]KalSkotos 56ポイント57ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                  You just took away his extremism, the one thing that was special and dear to him. He was a red revolutionist half an hour ago, a radical force, the American nightmare. Now he is just an ordinary man.

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                                                    [–]ilovedramadan 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    ...yeah that's not socialism

                                                    [–]kingofquave 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    That's not socialism, that's welfare capitalism, and many people agree with you on that, at least on reddit.

                                                    [–]surfrock66 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    This. I'm comfortably in the 1% (wife is a doctor)...we have a financial adviser (provided by her job) that is completely short and intolerant of us because we don't do bullshit itemization and financial "jiggery pokey" to reduce our tax burden.

                                                    She works in a hospital, but was part time as an independent contractor at another hospital for a bit. He wanted us to measure the square footage of our guest bedroom, divide it by the square footage of our house, and claim that % of our mortgage as a business expense. While legal, there's no moral justification for that. This is one tiny example. My adjusted tax rate, both state and federal in 2014, was 30%. I have a friend that got it down to 8%.

                                                    My kids will go to public school, they have to interact with people who rely on public funding. They have to drive on public roads and will be impacted by infrastructure programs that rely on tax dollars. I personally think my conservative friends that arrogantly cheat at taxes don't deserve to send their kids to public school, don't deserve to use the roads I pay for, and shouldn't be protected by the police that my tax dollars pay for.

                                                    [–]legitster 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    This would only be an extreme view if you were Donald Trump.

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                                                      [–]littlebrothermma 33ポイント34ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                      Most people have kids for stupid reasons, others don't even have reasons they just sorta do it.

                                                      (note: there is a small minority who take this decision seriously and have kids for the right reasons, can actually afford it, and do it at the right time)

                                                      [–]NoShoeNation 170ポイント171ポイント  (168子コメント)

                                                      I'm for the death penalty. If you kill an innocent, why should tax payers have to take care of you?

                                                      Edit: I can't words.

                                                      Edit 2: To me there is a difference between paying for the death penalty and paying for them to live in prison. Also I am aware that the way the current system is, is flawed in that innocents could be convicted, obviously I'm not for that. But for the extreme crimes, I'm definitely going to support the death penalty.

                                                      [–]TowelMerchant 106ポイント107ポイント  (63子コメント)

                                                      I agree that some people deserve the death penalty, but it actually ends up costing more to execute someone than just letting them sit in prison.

                                                      [–]unicornlocostacos 57ポイント58ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                      I'd like to see more common sense in these cases. If 50 people watched you gun down 10 people in a movie theater, you should be put down in less than two months.

                                                      Yes, I realize shit like this could be abused, but I also think judges should be allowed to interpret sometimes. Another example is mandatory minimums. It seems like we have rules for political reasons, because people feel like scumbags if they vote down harsher penalties for drug users. I just wish the laws in general were more straight forward, understood by the common citizen, and interpreted by fair judges based on the circumstances. I'll circle back now and cite that this could result in more death penalties, but far less cost. Obviously I'd only say to do it if the evidence was overwhelming. It shouldn't take three years (and who knows how much money) to convict the movie theater shooter, only to give him death and let him sit around for decades on our dime before it ever happens.

                                                      Before anyone busts my balls about harsher penalties, I think we have way too many people in prison in the U.S., and for way too long. This goes back to the whole mandatory minimums discussion. I hope Obama gets more deserving people out of jail and off our dime. We don't need a weed dealer in jail for 60 fucking years.

                                                      I'm for common sense.

                                                      [–]corchin 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      Here in argentina a good amount of prisoners work and have a salary there, and they earn more than a retired person who paid all his life for the retirement, so poor people who are broke as fuck go and kill someone and they live much better in prison

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                                                          [–]bcGrimm 37ポイント38ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                          So the real dilemma here is this: would you rather let a guilty person walk free, or an innocent man put to death?

                                                          [–]Rockmar1 49ポイント50ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                          Given the two choices, I'd rather let 10 guilty people walk free than put an innocent person to death.

                                                          Imagine that innocent person was you. I can't think of anything more horrible than sitting in a room while a bunch of people decided if you should live or die.

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                                                            [–]Andromeda321 19ポイント20ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                            Except it costs more to kill someone with the death penalty than to have them in prison for life. So if your argument is merely financial, it isn't the best argument.

                                                            [–]gingerattacks 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                            Wouldn't it be if we changed how long someone sat on death row? Let's say within 6 months to a year rather than years

                                                            [–]Andromeda321 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                            Well it's not as much that so much as trials are also more expensive automatically when it's a potential death penalty case, both for the trial and appeals. This is for pretty obvious reasons: if you kill someone, you can't bring them back if new evidence comes to light. (Which of course happens more often than we'd think, but is another issue.)

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                                                              [–]jmastaock 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              The problem with the death penalty is in its finality; I'm not so much opposed to killing people who are CLEARLY guilty with completely damning evidence... I'm worried about those who were wrongly found guilty and cannot appeal the case once they die.

                                                              This is what makes the death penalty so difficult to implement efficiently in a cost-effective manner. It's very difficult in many cases to be ABSOLUTELY sure they were guilty beyond a shred of doubt. I would much rather every guilty man be given a lifetime of appeals than have one man wrongly executed. We don't have a Minority Report-esque means of deducting guilt, so the death penalty is both reckless and hugely inefficient in my view.

                                                              [–]Ramza_Claus 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                              How sure do we need to be when we decide to kill? With our current justice system, many deathrow inmates have gone on to be exonerated. If we had just convicted them and then quickly carried out their sentence, then WE would be the ones killing an innocent.

                                                              Consequently, we afford convicts facing the death penalty plenty of opportunities to appeal their conviction to ensure that we've got the right guy. As a result, we spend more prosecuting the appeals than it would have costed to simply sentence them to life with no possibility of parole/release.

                                                              So if your argument is strictly about money, then doing away with the death penalty may be the better option, given our current technology and criminal justice system.

                                                              [–]Rockmar1 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              If we had just convicted them and then quickly carried out their sentence, then WE would be the ones killing an innocent.

                                                              Nah, screw your well thought out and reasonable response. We're angry! We need blood to make us feel better!

                                                              I know, how about we just go somewhere crowded with a machine gun and just mow down everyone in sight. I'm sure at least one of them will be criminals right? Who cares how many innocents we have to kill to get to them?

                                                              /s

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                                                                [–]The_Potato_God99 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Of couse they deserve to die, but because I believe tat somebody deserves to die, does it mean that justice has to kill him?

                                                                Justice is supposed to be what is good in the world. it's an example. If you believe that somebody deserves to die, it's because you wnat revenge. Should vengeance be acceted in society? I don't think so.

                                                                also, you could say "but what if the person killed somebody in your family?" then of course I would think that he deserves to die. but because I wnat somebody to die, does it mean that justice should do what I say? And now imagine that somebody killed your mother for example but doesn't get caught. you will want him to die. then what if your brother decides to go kill him but get caught? Shold he be killed? the family of the original killer will want him to die. But does does the killer deserves to die more than your brother? they both killed?

                                                                also, don't forget that when you're in prison, you have time to prove that you are innocent, while if you get the death penalty, you die. even if in 10 years we learn that you were innocent, you will still be dead.

                                                                and we know that death penalty costs more to society than life sentence. so why would we accept it in our world? for vengeance?

                                                                sorry for my english

                                                                [–]KalSkotos 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                Then don't kill them, let them go into wilderness and fend for themselves, that way we can avoid the tax payers all together. We will all be so rich without this expense of course and live in an utopia and build huge walls around our cities to keep the criminals out while they hunt each other down in peace. It's a win win.

                                                                [–]darthatheos 7ポイント8ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                The death penalty costs more than life in prison.

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                                                                  [–]dmun 55ポイント56ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                  I firmly believe that Marx was right (he just missed the time-frame of his predictions): production will, within this century, outstrip labor; automation will guarantee a high unemployment rate and an even more calcified flow of wealth; those able to crawl by with a middle income will be faced with a world of 3D printers and digital ownership, where they do not even own the objects they have purchased-- they merely license them for a time, when even out of date objects like wrenches will be forced to be "re-purchased" and reprinted.

                                                                  Within this century, the class war will happen in earnest and the workers class will lose.

                                                                  I hope I'm comfortably dead before it happens.

                                                                  [–]rattfink 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  Everyone talks about the need for a new plague. I kinda think what you're talking about is gonna be that plague. Unless the workers really start to pull their shit together and revolutionize the way labor works an how we distribute resources, there will be a lot of people dying off because we just don't need them anymore. Either way it's gonna be brutal.

                                                                  What's more, I know I have no choice but to be on the side of the workers, I'm not gonna be in that one percent. So I have to fight for my side, even if we will probably lose.

                                                                  [–]bpdexter85 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                  And America will be the very last place it will happen. We will all continue to see ourselves as potential millionaires until the very last moment.

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                                                                    [–]beccaonice 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                    Why do we have to do this every day?

                                                                    [–]ManGrowTanGrow 33ポイント34ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                                    Socks and sandles. Reddit don't hurt me

                                                                    [–]Mythical-Man-O-Magic 173ポイント174ポイント  (43子コメント)

                                                                    That cyberbullying isn't anywhere as big an issue as everyone makes it out to be. I was bullied (in person) for a long time and never thought to kill myself because of it, I just have no sympathy for people who "just can't take the bullying anymore". It's just so easy to block people and ignore them and it pisses me off that people allow themselves to be harassed just to later complain for attention.

                                                                    [–]cactuscat 38ポイント39ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                    "My experience was <this>, therefore anyone who didn't feel the same is wrong".

                                                                    [–]spiritriser 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Anecdotal evidence is fine for an opinion, which is what the thread asks for.

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                                                                      [–]harm_reduction7 83ポイント84ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                      You probably just weren't bullied that hard. Some people get severe beatings on top of the humiliation and a horrible home life.

                                                                      [–]___Iowa___ 40ポイント41ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                      Thank you. All these people saying it's "overblown" are fucking crazy. I had a very extreme case and still suffer today because of it.

                                                                      [–]harm_reduction7 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                      No problem. People like to think that they have it worse then everyone else which leads to idiotic thoughts like " if I could get through it then you should be able to. " These people don't get that what they went through is a cake walk compared to what others have experienced. These people don't understand empathy and just how bad things can get. Someone who doesn't understand suicide is someone who has never explored the depths of pain. There is no bottom but everyone seems to think they've been there.

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                                                                        [–]Br0metheus 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Pretty sure that if you got a beating, it wasn't "cyberbullying."

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                                                                          [–]mishka_shaw 47ポイント48ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          and never thought to kill myself because of it,

                                                                          Because everyone's life and every act of bullying is 100% undeniably the same with no variation or difference in circumstances. /s

                                                                          Although I do agree it is WAAAAAY overblown in the media.

                                                                          [–]___Iowa___ 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                          You must have had a light case then because I was maliciously bullied for a decade and I thought about suicide constantly. It can be hard to ignore when it is a constant all day everyday for several years kind of situation.

                                                                          [–]CraftedCircle 37ポイント38ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                          THANK YOU. Although the ones that do commit suicide probably have some sort of mental issues before they started getting bullied for it.

                                                                          [–]TheComebackKid 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          I wouldn't be so quick to judge people for how they deal with stress/harassment. I don't know your situation so I'm not going to make assumptions, and forgive me if I'm incorrect, but you obviously had a support system and drive (whether from your family, friends, or just within yourself) to work through your troubles in a healthy way. Not everyone has that. Just like I don't really know what you went through, you don't know other people's situations, so don't compare yourself to them thinking that you've got it the same way.

                                                                          And cyberbullying from strangers can be easily ignored, but threats and rumors spread from people you know in real life to other people you know in real life? That's different

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                                                                            [–]mynamesyow19 76ポイント77ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                            that people constantly asking for "extreme opinions" on Reddit are Karma Whores wasting our time.

                                                                            [–]gnutrino 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            wasting our time

                                                                            Yeah come on OP I had important redditing to do before you forced me to read your damn thread.

                                                                            [–]marbles25 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            Technically speaking they don't get karma for self posts. They get karma from commenting on everyones top post and riding the karma train.

                                                                            [–]andywolf8896 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            Trying to hop aboard the karma train with OP, eh?

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                                                                              [–]montroller 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                              You have to sort threads like this by controversial to get the real answers.

                                                                              [–]Velostodon 305ポイント306ポイント  (175子コメント)

                                                                              Feminism is necessary in the Middle East, Africa, and Asia. It is worthless and needs to die in the West.

                                                                              You can keep arguing all you want. I've probably put a lot more thought into this opinion than you assume. You aren't going to change my mind. And bitching at me about how I must be a misogynist is only going to make me think you're an imbecile.

                                                                              You want a full explanation?

                                                                              Look at what Third Wave Feminism has done to males in America.

                                                                              Women have more protections than men here.

                                                                              Is consent to sex consent to reproduction? For a woman, no. For a man, yes.

                                                                              If someone claims you raped them will it ruin your life regardless of actuality? For women, no. For men, yes.

                                                                              If you are due to have a child can you opt out of the responsibility? For women, yes. For men, no.

                                                                              If you have a divorce can you seek alimony and get paid money for no reason? For women, yes. For men, no.

                                                                              If you have a divorce with children can you get custody despite making less and being irresponsible? For women, yes. For men, no.

                                                                              Does your gender keep you out of prison for heinous crimes? For women, yes. For men, no.

                                                                              Can you work at a daycare without people thinking you're a pedophile? For women, yes. For men, no.

                                                                              Women DO NOT make less than men for equal work. Rape is not accepted in America as even the claim of it can ruin your life.

                                                                              Increasing the rights or protections of one demographic does not make equality.

                                                                              Same as taking rights or protections away from another does not make equality.

                                                                              Programs like Affirmative Action assure that blacks get jobs, but actively takes jobs from other people.

                                                                              Criminal courts like to make sure they press hard on sex crimes to protect women, but end up destroying a lot of innocent men's lives in the process.

                                                                              Allowing women control over their bodies, like through abortion, gives them a right to control their reproduction, but other than abstinence men have no equal right. They can't "opt out" of the responsibilities unless someone else adopts their child. Why not? Because the legal system decided to protect women from being stuck as single mothers without support. So child support became a thing and for a man there is no way out of it.

                                                                              Men work 98% of mining and construction jobs, or something like that. Why? Because women don't apply. Women have been encouraged their whole lives to go "break the glass ceiling" at corporate and become a CEO by working in the office and moving from job to job. Then they sacrifice time from their careers to do what? Well, a lot of women have children and leave work to raise them. A lot of women switch careers. They quit their jobs more often. This results in them making less money over their lifetime, and the solution is to pay them for the time they choose to take off? Most jobs don't offer men paternity leave. Why should a woman be able to take more than a month and half off and be paid for her decision? Not only by her job, but by her husband if they divorce. Alimony is supposedly meant for a man to pay a woman for the time she spent out of work doing whatever. My ex-wife chose to sit on her ass the entire time we were married, but if she had sued for alimony she would have gotten it. Why? To pay her for time she chose to not work.

                                                                              And then look at what it has done to the social norms.

                                                                              Egalitarianism seeks to mend these cracks in the system and protect all demographics equally.

                                                                              Third Wave Feminism has directly adversely affected this country and continues to be extremely hostile to anyone that attempts to refute it.

                                                                              There are countless other examples of that the new wave of this movement has done. I'm not going to waste time listing a bunch of them further.

                                                                              Anyone that knows me knows I am probably the most equality loving person there is. Everyone is equally neutral until they prove me otherwise. I'm bisexual, I don't care what people's sexuality is. I have a black child, I don't give a shit what color you are. I don't give a shit if you have a vagina or a dick. I don't fucking care. Everyone is equally able to be called an asshole based on their actions, not the definition of a word. Stop clinging to a dictionary to save your sheltered idea of what feminism has become.

                                                                              Equality is great. Destroying people and denying them equality is not how you achieve it.

                                                                              [–]usuckusuckusucku 109ポイント110ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                              I don't think it needs to "die" in the west, particularly if most western "feminists" actually gave a damn about the middle east, Africa, and asia.

                                                                              Fuck, if many western "feminists" gave a shit about issues that effect more than white mommies and college students, that would be fucking nice.

                                                                              [–]RedCanada 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              Fuck, if many western "feminists" gave a shit about issues that effect more than white mommies and college students, that would be fucking nice.

                                                                              But they do. There are entire branches of feminism devoted to making things better in these countries.

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                                                                                [–]Joey_Kikue[🍰] 36ポイント37ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Can confirm the criminal court views on sex. Got arrested on felony because some third party made false claims. She never had to show up to court, they wouldn't take her word for anything, and we're hardset to believe I was a bad person despite a lot of evidence from the both of us. Took about a year to fight and she was barely informed of anything going on if at all.

                                                                                [–]morelikeaclay 79ポイント80ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                                                I appreciate that you elaborated so fully on your views, even if I disagree with a large majority of them. It is nice to get a glimpse into your perspective.

                                                                                That said, I disagree with a lot of what you said. I'm just going to touch on a few things because of time restrictions.

                                                                                1. Why do so few women work in construction, mining, and other male-dominated industries? Well as someone who is in construction I can tell you that men make it a very insular community. I worked closely with two women on my current two-year job and both of them had at least two sexual harassment cases against former employers and/or coworkers in their past. The day-to-day conversations I heard from some of the guys working on site were without a doubt the primary reason why women don't want to work in this field. I heard things on a daily basis from every level of the organizations on my site (including comments from a senior vice president) regarding the few females that worked here that made me sick. Men keep construction a man's game and I wouldn't be surprised if the same were true for other male-dominated fields.

                                                                                2. You briefly touch on the asymmetrical nature of abortion so let me briefly touch on the asymmetrical nature of abortion. Right now, there is a single abortion clinic serving the entire state of Mississippi. You could easily live 200+ miles away from the nearest clinic that provides you with this option. And why is that? Because of a predominantly male legislature trying to completely erase this right of choice for women in their state.

                                                                                3. You link to a bunch of social media posts and call them "social norms." One of them only has 2 favorites and no retweets so I don't think we could call that one a "social norm." I could probably find some neo-Nazi tweets with more popularity but we could both easily agree that that is not proof of a "social norm" or even a marginally popular opinion. You really need to do a lot more to establish the popularity of the views you are talking about.

                                                                                4. Feminism is not a singular movement. It has always been a fragmented movement that has a lot of variants represented by the various intersectionalities of the participants. A common complaint against the most popular variant of feminism throughout the ages is that it has always represented the views and beliefs of the majority and may miss out on the core beliefs and struggles of the truly oppressed. Even First Wave Feminism is heavily criticized for almost entirely focusing on the plights of white, middle-aged, middle class women while overlooking the struggles of minority and/or poor women. It is incredibly misguided to lump feminism all into a single movement and cast it off completely. Large parts of it still has its merits and a lot of feminists still adhere to earlier beliefs about gender equality and would argue that part of its mission is to bring equality to men (e.g., paternity leave, recognizing that men can be raped by women, breaking men out of social gender expectations, etc).

                                                                                5. Finally, if we want feminism to be strong in lesser developed countries, it needs to be strong in the developed world. The feminist movements of Asia, Africa, and Middle East will look towards and take inspiration of feminists from North America and Europe. Feminism is a worldwide issue and the goals of the movement should not know political boundaries.

                                                                                [–]stonewall456 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                I think feminism has limited useful modern legal applications. I think it still has work to go on a cultural/social front however.

                                                                                The most useful legal application remaining is actually to extend various kinds of family leave for both men and women.

                                                                                Reproductive rights laws generally need a work-over. Alimony shouldn't be a thing ever. Custody laws and child support laws should generally be 100% based on income and safety and have nothing to do with gender. Child support should only be compelled when married couples divorce (or perhaps in cases of convicted rape). Marriage should be seen as an opt-in for the potential of shouldering the costs of child support. That way if you don't ever want to pay for kids, you can just avoid marriage. To avoid the syndrome of historical unwed motherhood, contraceptives should be widely and cheaply available and abortions should generally be accessible. The tax breaks and other things marriage grants can be seen as an offset/incentive for being willing to shoulder the potential of child support.

                                                                                As a social movement though, I think feminism has value - generally encouraging women to achieve and pushing to have women's voices in various avenues. The problem comes when diversification is forcibly attempted.

                                                                                [–]karlrocks23 66ポイント67ポイント  (75子コメント)

                                                                                The severity of discrimination towards women in the likes of Iran compared to the UK is going to be different. But feminism needs to exist anywhere where a female is discriminated for being female.

                                                                                Disregarding feminism is disregarding the extreme discrimination women experienced throughout history. Feminism is a profoundly important movement which is built fundamentally about equality for all. Dividing the movement to locations where it appears to be 'needed' more contradicts feminism's idea of equality.

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                                                                                  [–]Admiral_Nopeton 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  My extreme opinion is that we should get rid of Welfare. People abuse/milk the system for what it's worth. I know this will get down voted, but here's a true story.

                                                                                  Afghan woman (don't confuse her with Persian/Iranian, those are two separate things), needs interpreting. Of course, she has needed interpreting for the past 5 years. To top it all off, none of her family works for a living, they buy a new car (Ford Fusion), and they live off of food stamps. They even admitted "Cool, we're milking the system."

                                                                                  If I became president, I would make a law saying "Uncle Sam will pay for your bills for up to one year. During that time, you learn english, you earn your own money. If you can't do any that, get the fuck out and don't come back"

                                                                                  Edit: Seems like some people agree with me.

                                                                                  [–]m5726 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Allowing black thug culture out of fear of being politically incorrect is going to be the downfall of America

                                                                                  [–]redcolumbine 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  I think everybody should be able to go to the doctor and to go to college. (American here)

                                                                                  [–]Zephandrypus 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                  Necromancy should be a required subject at school.

                                                                                  [–]ExpressoYourself 18ポイント19ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                                  I think that the human race as a whole over all this time is belligerent and pretty much just plain blinded by greed. If we worked together instead of fighting over useless shit we would be where we are now years ago. Killing your own species for no reason. Pretty much goes against any kind of logic my tiny brain can shit out. I hate to sound like the parent of a 4 year old but seriously people just share and grow up.

                                                                                  [–]Rockmar1 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                  I don't think you understand what an extreme opinion is.

                                                                                  [–]seanjohn12117 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  Guys I know this is really out there, and please don't judge me, but I think murder is bad

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                                                                                      [–]casfacto 40ポイント41ポイント  (35子コメント)

                                                                                      People shouldn't just be allowed to have kids if they feel like it.

                                                                                      We know there aren't enough resources to support humans multiplying at the rate we are.

                                                                                      Sure, I understand there are risks with choosing who can have kids. I understand that we have enough food on earth, but it's not getting to the right people.

                                                                                      But wow, things would sure be a lot better for everyone and the planet if there were less humans.

                                                                                      [–]lvysaur 13ポイント14ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                                      How do you just stop people from having kids? You can't put fucking hormones in the water supply and you cant fine them since the majority are poor.

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                                                                                        [–]CharlesButtlet 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                        Crunchy peanut butter is gross

                                                                                        Orange juice with pulp is disgusting

                                                                                        Shaun of the Dead is funnier than Zombieland

                                                                                        [–]HermanVelasquez 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                        Abortion is fine, if condoms and masturbating is, then so is abortion, although it is longer played out.

                                                                                        [–]tommyjohnpauljones 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Game of Thrones is ridiculous and I don't understand why it's such a big deal.

                                                                                        [–]CommanderDerpington 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        That the mob is ruled by emotions. Cecil, case and point. Dude please guilty, got fined. He's not ducking hitler.

                                                                                        [–]mattreyu 32ポイント33ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                                        If you have a nut allergy you should probably die rather than spread your lousy genes

                                                                                        [–]cunt-hooks 28ポイント29ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                        I kinda feel sorry for people that are allergic to nuts. You couldn't eat anything. Every packet now says "Produced in a factory where the cleaning lady may have once seen a nut."

                                                                                        [–]Hot_Tub_JohnnyRocket 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                        Louis CK has a great bit on that. It's called "of course but maybe". No link because I'm on mobile but it's actually really clever

                                                                                        [–]Superkroot 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Are nut allergies (or allergies in general) gene related?

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                                                                                          [–]snakeoil-huckster 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          I am a firm believer in eugenics. I do not believe that a person with a low IQ or serious genetic conditions has the right to breed. It slows evolution, steals resources from others and adds a strain on the planet.

                                                                                          I include myself in this. I have no intention on having children due to my families health history.

                                                                                          [–]neo2419912 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                          Sooner or later, we need to start trimming older people. Let's get real here, longevity is increasing as well as the costs of taking care of seniors and that money could instead be use to stimulate class rejuvenation and jobs, younger generations have little means and incentives to get by on their own (im excluding young couples because they're safer). I know this doesn't look good applied to me, but if not my solution then something else has to be cooked up and, preferably, fast!

                                                                                          [–]MackIsBack 10ポイント11ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                                                          I believe that many mean people are born that way, it's not the parent nor the system's fault.

                                                                                          [–]Rockmar1 15ポイント16ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                          That's a very odd belief to have considering the correlation between crime and abusive parents.

                                                                                          [–]bpdexter85 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                          He didn't say all, he said many. That doesn't even necessarily imply majority.

                                                                                          If people can be born gay, can be born with mental illness, why couldn't they be born mean?

                                                                                          [–]Rockmar1 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                          I guess I interpreted "many" to mean a majority. "Many" is incredibly vague so you can kind of just use it to say whatever you want.

                                                                                          "Many people believe that President Obama is actually a reptile"

                                                                                          This is a true statement.

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                                                                                              [–]excaliber90887 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                              The more Wikileaks releases, the more I believe in some of the 9/11 conspiracies...

                                                                                              Keeping this vague because fuck...the government is starting to scare the living shit out of me.

                                                                                              [–]Whatsamattahere 13ポイント14ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                              We allow way too many appeals. If you're found guilty and they have DNA evidence or video to prove you did something, you should get one and then that's it. No more. Case closed.

                                                                                              [–]Sylaris 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                              DNA doesn't prove you did something. It proves you were there at some point recently. Video evidence I agree with, though.

                                                                                              [–]ERRORMONSTER 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                              Video evidence can be doctored. And it could be someone who just looks like you. Most security cameras only run at like 144p or 360p.

                                                                                              [–]flowgod 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                              A lot of times the appeal isn't about whether or not they're guilty. They're appealing the sentence, not the conviction.

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                                                                                                [–]trashbaugh 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                The internet being a completely free and accessible public utility with no exceptions.

                                                                                                I understand this has its challenges, but the free flowing and sharing of knowledge and information instantly across the globe is one of, if not the, great wonder of our time.

                                                                                                [–]The_Wozzy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                So to set the stage, I'm all for a form of modern dueling. Physical disagreements should not be classified as assault if both parties agree on it beforehand and there's no dirty play involved (knife/gun pulling, etc). However, this isnt that intense. I'm sure a lot of you have heard of the mutual combat laws they have in Washington state.

                                                                                                My "extreme" opinion is- if someone is convicted and sentenced for a violent crime, the family of the victim should be allowed to exchange the punishment (jail time) for a cage match type event where it's the defendant vs the victim or someone fighting on behalf of the victim. It should be the victim's choice on whether they want jail time or blood compensation for the crime committed against them. You won't have the problem of overgrown maniacs like the hound running around committing crimes and demanding "trial by the gods", but I think the victim should have the choice to reciprocate the pain that this person made them feel. If this is for a murder trial, the decision goes to the closest of kin. These "cage matches" would be to the death, and reserved for only the most heinous of crimes. It would suck putting a murderer back on the streets because he won one of these cage matches, and I'm sure it would happen occasionally, but I doubt it would happen often. You usually know your fighting limitations, so I doubt many people would take the gamble if they weren't at least 80% sure they could kill the other person.

                                                                                                [–]AuroraLux 20ポイント21ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                                                                                I think people who hurt, abuse, or kill animals should be treated the way a person who hurt or abuse a child should.

                                                                                                [–]Mowgli3 30ポイント31ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                                So you're vegan?

                                                                                                [–]fuckflyingpigs 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                Animals are great. I live on a farm with a horse, goats, chickens, cat, dogs ect. However, animals are no way on par with a human life. Abusing animals is terrible, it's wrong, and should definitely be punished. But you must be absurdly misguided if you think torturing a bird is on the same scale as torturing a child. Fuck no. Human lives are worth more than animals.

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