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[–]valley_pete 306ポイント307ポイント  (48子コメント)

History major here, couldn't feel less guilty about being white.

12 million people killed in 6 years, by 1 country, including a strong 6 million of people from my own religion...by white people on other white people.

Not EVERY atrocity in history happened against black people, very sorry to say.

Black people have done horrible things, white people have done horrible things, middle-eastern people have done horrible things, and asian people have done horrible things. All of those groups have also all done AMAZING things.

Game, blouses.

[–]SuperPRise 73ポイント74ポイント  (18子コメント)

As a white person who grew up on a Native American reservation, I don't feel any personal guilt because of what white people did to Native Americans centuries ago. I had no control over that and shouldn't need to feel guilty while sitting through a history lesson. However, I feel as though if Native Americans are still feeling the effects of what happened to them in the past (which they are, obviously), the government should be bending over backward trying to make it as right as can be reasonably expected.

[–]valley_pete 17ポイント18ポイント  (15子コメント)

100% still feeling it; the stuff that happened to them devestated their population for generations to come. I agree with you, absolutely. And like you said, the government should continue to make repetitions to them; just as they should those victims of slavery.

I didn't mean to take a "my race got treated worse than yours" type of post; just meant to say that only making it seem so one-sided, especially in today's time only using main examples from the 1800's on, is such a bad way of judging a group of people.

[–]SuperPRise 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh I know, I agreed with everything you said in your post. :) I just wanted to make the point that there are still things that can be done to make up for those horrible things even if nobody today should feel personal guilt about what transpired.

[–]valley_pete 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We're aboard the same train my friend.

[–]Uneje 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah and it's also sorta racist in itself because it ignores the great African kingdoms (some of which were great and terrible)

[–]Jaykaykaykay 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

That´s interesting. What do white people get for many of us, more than were african slaves in the us for example, being taken as slaves by north africans/muslims during the ottoman corsairs, and suffered a worse fate?

[–]telegetoutmyway 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I tried, but couldn't follow your sentence structure, plus your username lol. I think I get what you're trying to say though. Maybe.

[–]hairam 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I translated it I think:

"That's interesting. What do white people get for having been enslaved by North Africans/Muslims /during the Ottoman corsairs? There were more white slaves than there were African slaves in the US, and many suffered a worse fate."

I'm a bit lost with "during the Ottoman corsairs". Perhaps they meant during the Ottoman empire. Otherwise, "during" makes no sense to me, as I looked up Ottoman corsairs, and it refers to North African based groups of pirates.

[–]theJavoSlytherin Seeker 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

did you know that former slave owners were actually paid for their freed slaves after the civil war but the slaves themselves never got anything in the way of reparations?

[–]illinoisadvertising 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

Did you know at the height of slavery 1.4 percent of the whites in the country owned slaves. And that 20 percent of freed blacks owned slaves

[–]lpc211 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's why it makes a whole lot more sense to approach the issue from the stand point of class. And for the overwhelming portion of American history Whites have been the dominate upper class that has no problem exploiting anyone of a lower class weather they be black, Italian, indigenous, Irish or Jewish among many other groups that have historically been relegated to lower class status. Many times this was done through enforcement by the gov which has always represented the interest of the upper class for the vast majority of US history and even the vast majority of world history.

[–]Uneje 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just because free blacks were rich(er) blacks, and rich people owned slaves.

[–]telegetoutmyway 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, how does that make it "just because"? It's kind of the whole point. Rich people owned slaves. There were also white slaves. I'm not trying to get into a huge debate though as I don't know enough about it. I'm also not trying to claim race wasn't a major factor either, just to clarify.

[–]Uneje 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It seemed like you were saying "1.4% of white people vs 20% of black people, so black people were more racist and had comparatively more slaves and promoted slavery the most", I suppose you weren't.

[–]XPGrinder 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

because of what white people did to Native Americans centuries ago

Lol. You make it sound like there's a White People Club that meets every week and sends out a news letter. Things are done by individuals, not by races.

[–]SuperPRise 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm saying "white people" as in "individual people who were white." I shouldn't feel guilt because I'm white and there were white individuals in the past who did things that harmed Native Americans. Sorry for the poor wording.

[–]-Mountain-King-Unspeakable 42ポイント43ポイント  (6子コメント)

And besides, you've never done ANYTHING. What do you have to be guilty about?

[–]theregimechange 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly, its not guilt they should be feeling, its sympathy.

[–]valley_pete 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

Like, me as a person in general? I've been a TERRIBLE person at points in my life, but it wasn't directed at a single race as the OP's meme suggests. Ironically enough, it was more towards my family and friends, people who you'd never think of being awful to in a clear state of mind.

Edit: to be clear, I don't know if your post is sarcastic or not, so I answered literally haha.

[–]-Mountain-King-Unspeakable 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not sarcastic, but rhetorical.

[–]valley_pete 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah ok. Well my answer stands, just to further what I meant in general, but I see what you were trying to say.

[–]RyanB_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty sure it was literal. He was saying you shouldn't feel bad because members of your race were dicks.

[–]Jaykaykaykay 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, he´s literally accomplished nothing. /s :p

[–][deleted] 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not feeling guilty about being white is a good thing, but I don't understand how that inevitably snowballs into "your race doesn't have more problems than mine does and you guys have done bad stuff too, so ha". If you're going to say that you don't like and don't want to be a part of the Oppression Olympics, don't put name in the running in the next sentence.

[–]Weave77 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nicely put.

In the end, people are people. No ethnic group is intrinsically superior or inferior in terms of morality. People trying to shame you because of the tint of your skin or your particular group of ancestors are nothing more than bigoted morons.

[–]jojotoughasnails 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This basically goes back to that Reddit thread of what's the worst thing your country has done and how is it taught in schools.

Every culture, race, country, whatever..they all have a dark past. How they've handled it since is the real marker.

Ex: Yea, Germany was once the worst ever. However, they don't deny it. They don't hide it. It's all out there to be taught and seen. It's probably the biggest learn from your history example.

[–]TerrorEyzs 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, people forget about the African tribesmen and chiefs that sold their own people to the slave traders....so yeah.

[–]Epicsharkduckweasley is our king 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

why would you feel guilty, you didn't do anything

[–]clwestbr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree right here. Took a rhetoric class in college that wound up secretly being about 'white guilt' (literally the title of one of the required books) and detailed why white people are awful and have been throughout history.

I feel like my country needs to get even footing between races, but I won't feel guilty about that because I wasn't party to it.

[–]bassabassa[🍰] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This post is perfect.

[–]Nyarlathoteps_Cat 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

A great man said something along the lines of "it is our choices and not the circumstances we are born into, that make us who we are."

[–]bassabassa[🍰] 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pretty sure anyone with even a basic understanding of world history would see this is total bullshit.

[–]gyanos422 370ポイント371ポイント  (136子コメント)

I'm immune to white guilt. I didn't do anything to anyone so if they expect me to feel bad about something that happened before I was born, then they can go f themselves.

[–]auronvi 83ポイント84ポイント  (77子コメント)

And this is the attitude we should have. White guilt shouldn't be a thing... You have a responsibility to not repeat the mistakes of the past but you shouldn't shoulder any of the blame. You didn't exist when it happened.

[–]ChocolatePopes 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

So true. I'm a minority myself and I feel bad that my white girlfriend feels bad about something her ancestors have done.

Now before I get r/asablackman, I think that just cause people should ignore the feeling of historical guilt, they should also realize that institutionized racism exist and still a big problem. You shouldn't feel bad about slavery, but you should feel angry at the lost of a black man rotting in jail cause he had marijuana on him.

[–]poondi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You summed it up well. No rational person can say that white people should be punished for what happened before them. You should recognize that racism exists. The biggest problem is that people don't see outside of their race and life, which applies to all races, not just white people.

[–]Game_boy 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

On the flip side, pride in your race for no other reason that it's the color of your skin is equally dumb - be it white, black, yellow, or purple.

Hell, really giving skin color more thought than you would hair color is pretty silly. Just treat people like people, treat assholes like assholes. The rest will sort its self out eventually!

[–]Uneje 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pride in your race, like pride in sexuality, it usually a response to messages, subtle, institutional, or otherwise, that there is something wrong with your race or sexuality. Treating it no different than hair color would work if all of society thought that way, but many do place importance on it and people still experience racism, so racial pride is in some ways necessary.

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hell, really giving skin color more thought than you would hair color is pretty silly. Just treat people like people, treat assholes like assholes. The rest will sort its self out eventually!

Yeah, it won't though. It hasn't and it isn't going to. If you treat everyone exactly the same then race relations aren't ever going to get better. If you act like skin color doesn't matter then race relations are never going to get better. It is human nature to categorize and stereotype people and that's never going to change, especially not if we refuse to admit that we are all inclined to stereotype groups of people and therefore don't ever challenge our assumptions. And there is a lingering history and a present aftermath of damage that stem from poor race relations--pretending they didn't happen only builds resentment. Refusing to acknowledge this shit is why it keeps on going.

It's also human nature to take pride in a shared heritage, which may be skin color. It's normal.

[–]Karnmanfull of Knargles 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

no one is asking you to immolate yourself, acknowledging that there was and still is a shitty system in place that favours white people is enough.

[–]ElBomberoLoco 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, I don't have white guilt....but I do recognize white privilege. This country was founded by white men, for white men...its laws written by white men...has been and continues to be run, by and large by white men.

Where a lot of people trip up...is getting mad, thinking "white privilege" means that white people automatically have it easy...or were handed everything...or never had to struggle. And that's not what it means. White privilege means....if you're white...particularly a white male (which I am)...the system is set up in your favor. That's all it means.

It doesn't mean you never had to work hard...or didn't earn your accomplishments. It simply means...the system was set up in our favor.

[–]darktask 106ポイント107ポイント  (29子コメント)

How about just recognizing that the things people did the past created a lot of systems and misconceptions that people still deal with today?

[–]worldchrisis 147ポイント148ポイント  (5子コメント)

I recognize that things people have done in the past have created inequalities in the present.

I was not responsible for those things that were done in the past, therefore I do not feel bad about them.

White guilt is a misunderstanding of the dynamics in play.

[–]hoobidabwah 42ポイント43ポイント  (4子コメント)

Also many white Americans for instance didn't emigrate until the late 19th/early 20th century, ie Central and Eastern Europeans. They weren't even around for slavery. Many lived in the north away from Jim Crow laws. And many faced discrimination and hatred as well. Think of them as the Latinos of their time. Working in coal mines and steel mills and lots of people shouting "They terk erh jerbs!"

Judging someone based on the color of their skin is stupid regardless of what that color is.

Now if I came from an "old money" family where some of that money was because my family had slaves, you'd better believe I'd try to track down the descendants of those slaves and give them the payment their ancestors should have received. But that is not the situation for most white people.

We as a country should address the after effects of slavery and segregation- not because we feel guilty, but because it's the right thing to do. Our country is supposed to be one where a person can be anything they want, and we should make sure people have a fair chance to do that.

[–]adistantplanet 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

Even if you came from an old money family, why would you track down the descendants and give them money? Yeah their ancestors deserved money, of course, but not the people living today. They're not slaves, they never were slaves. I wouldn't give them anything.

[–]phi186 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because he has white guilt...

[–]WhatABeautifulMessRed hair & a hand-me-down robe? Must be a Weasley. 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also many white Americans for instance didn't emigrate until the late 19th/early 20th century, ie Central and Eastern Europeans. They weren't even around for slavery. Many lived in the north away from Jim Crow laws. And many faced discrimination and hatred as well. Think of them as the Latinos of their time. Working in coal mines and steel mills and lots of people shouting "They terk erh jerbs!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_ethnic

[–]Nowin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

My family has been on this continent since 1608, but they never had slaves. My ancestors have been here longer than America. Does that make me Native American?

Duh. No. It's a joke

[–]brobroma 40ポイント41ポイント  (2子コメント)

White guilt is stupid to have because it's a way to avoid that issue altogether. "I feel bad for stuff that my ancestors did." Well unless you actually do something about it (i.e., working towards rectifying racial inequities), then that guilt is just an empty statement. Feeling bad about racism is, in a way, a way for some white people to feel better about themselves - feeling guilt towards a problem without actually contributing towards it's solution.

[–]Jaykaykaykay -3ポイント-2ポイント  (12子コメント)

Every group of people have fucked each other over and gone through shit at some point so it becomes meaningless to say group a is more disadvantaged than group b, unless you´re cherrypicking history of course.

[–]darktask 10ポイント11ポイント  (11子コメント)

It's not meaningless if our current society is still influenced by the most recent type of racism. I don't think any one people can claim to be blameless of racism in the whole history of the world. But part of supporting equality is working towards equality, it's considering the lives of people different from your own and trying to see the world through their eyes.

[–]Jaykaykaykay 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

Our current society is influenced by thousands of years of whites fucking over blacks, blacks fucking over whites, whites fucking over asians, asians fucking over blacks etc. Not just slavery in the south.

The problem is that some people, perhaps yourself it seems, only concider whites fucking over other races and thats the only thing thats our society is influenced by and what should inform how we go about things.

The empty platitudes about equality and empathy is a waste of both of both of our time.

[–]blueguy2 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

When did blacks fuck over whites?

[–]Could-Have-Been-King 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Barbary Slave Trade.

For a modern-day example, Google what's happening in South Africa re: racialized violence. Hint: it's not white people hunting down and killing block people.

[–]Teaslinger 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Empty platitudes of equality and empathy?! Wtf are you even a Harry Potter fan?! What do you think a core message of series is? Also acknowledging the ongoing marginalization and struggles of minorities isn't an empty platitude to any of us who actually truly do care about rising the tide for all ships. Which should be all of us. Including you.

[–]darktask -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm sorry you automatically assume I'm speaking in empty platitudes. I'm really not and I try my hardest to do as I say, like volunteering with new Canadians so they don't face the challenges my family did.

[–]HigherResBear 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's not like I get the praise for all the decent stuff white people have done why would I get the shit either. Neither would make sense.

[–]Apollo3519 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

thank you. I always say the exact same thing. It's not my fault my ancestors were dicks.

[–]Okichah 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Im white and my irish ancestors were almost wiped out by other white people. Color doesnt matter people are shit either way. Thinking the color of your skin is whats important is bigoted and dumb, whether you feel great or guilty.

[–]XPGrinder 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have a feeling this guy didn't go to class

[–]dasher11 38ポイント39ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you make a joke about white guilt on reddit, you're gonna have a bad time.

[–]Uneje 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well they made it on twitter. Still a bad time tho

[–]EasySpeezeThe squid in the lake 48ポイント49ポイント  (26子コメント)

My skin is reflect-the-sun white and my lineage cuts off right when they (almost) all die in the holocaust. People still come up to me and be like "You don't understand what its like for your ancestors to be enslaved and killed for no reason."

[–]SlappaDaBayssMon 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

If you go far back enough in history there's a high likely hood anybody has an ancestor who was enslaved. Slavery ended with black Americans, it started milleniums before. Why the fuck don't we talk about that?

EDIT: I know slavery didn't "end" with the American civil war, I was speaking figuratively. The American emancipation happened around the same time many other European nations banned slavery, and was a positive force on the global trend to make slavery illegal.

[–]alexi_lupin[Gryffindor Chaser] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just wanted to add that slavery has not really ended, it has just become illegal.

[–]Cazraac 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Slavery ended with black Americans

Arguably incorrect, even in America.

Slavery is alive and well in many places around the world and if you consider human sex trafficking slavery, which I do, then the United States still has a deep, unresolved slave issue.

[–]Frodoholic 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Slavery hasn't ended globally.

[–]Marvolo_Mescudi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A lot of the slavery in the Americas and to a greater extent post-1884 colonized Africa was a whole different animal than earlier forms. Earlier forms in Africa, Europe, the Middle East, etc. had slaves as mere property, nothing more, nothing less (with obvious exceptions like Israelites in Egypt). They did work, were fed enough to survive and that was mostly it. With the ones I mentioned (Americas, Africa) the owners saw the slaves practically as sub-humans that were born to serve humans, and any signs of the slaves attempting to act like actual people needed to be met with a stern reminder of their place in the world. Idk if you guys saw the historical photographs post today, but the Belgian Congo pic was a perfect, albeit, extreme example of this. To the the white group of individuals that perpetuated this, these were basically animals that needed to be forcibly tamed.

And then (using the US as an example) you have to consider the century of white violence and systematic suppression against blacks following slavery, for many of those years state-regulated. It was like "Fine, you don't wanna be slaves? We'll just make your freedom a living hell."

And then we get offended when black leaders say things we would consider anti-white? I'm not saying they're right to do so, but if you were in their position, having a respectable grasp on history, trying to make yourself educated, yet living in a white man's world where your life was in every way harder than your white peers' lives, and white people are directly responsible for that wouldn't you be kind of salty?

That's probably why we don't compare situations of slavery in public. Sorry I ranted, I'm very delusional and tired and I don't know if this all even makes sense.

TL;DR the enslavement of Africans and people of African descent in the 19th century isn't totally comparable to other forms and eras. The results of this slavery are still incredibly tangible today, moreso than other historical examples of slavery, and this leads to feelings of resentment against the race that was primarily responsible for this large scale slavery, AND why it's not polite to compare it to the other examples.

[–]PaoRightInThePussy -2ポイント-1ポイント  (19子コメント)

People like making excuses for their own mistakes in life

[–]EasySpeezeThe squid in the lake 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm not sure if that was supposed to be a joke, but this probably wasn't the best place to tell it. I in no way meant any ill will against any race or religion, just that most people judge skin deep. The person that made the comment this thread is about was saying all white people feel that way and it just isn't true.

[–]McCheesington 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think what PaoRightInThePussy meant was that some people use the suffering their previous generations went through as an excuse for their own actions. I don't think it was a joke.

[–]EasySpeezeThe squid in the lake 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ahh okay I understand. The worst part is that I have heard idiotic things from both sides that bring slavery into an argument (usually as an excuse). Like I can relate to and understand what you are feeling, I just don't think that it is so important to harbor ill will against anyone for it. Shit like that happens less because the people around you, of every race, are the ones that don't want it to happen. Sorry if I'm just ranting now...

[–]McCheesington 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I understand what you mean and agree, but there are always going to be either people who spin things to manipulate others or who are brought up with racial prejudice.

[–]darktask -2ポイント-1ポイント  (14子コメント)

Yeah, like when they grow up in poverty and have to drop out of school to take care of their siblings.

[–]ichuckle8 inch Hufflepuff 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because that only happens to people of color

[–][deleted] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It disproportionately happens to minorities. But the point is that for minorities "their own mistakes" are often times events out of their control; saying that this happens to minorities in no way implies that white people don't also suffer from events out of their control.

[–]darktask -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It happens more often to "people of color" in North America, yes.

[–]Jaykaykaykay 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Every group of people were poor at some point. Some were better at getting out than others, as it is with individuals. Take your economic determinism somewhere else.

[–]darktask -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not arguing that white people were magically and always wealthy, I'm saying that at this point in time, in modern societies, racism still exists and exerts influence over people's lives. For someone to claim that it doesn't is ridiculous and insulting to everyone who has suffered discrimination.

[–]b0ringusern4me 31ポイント32ポイント  (8子コメント)

So you only get taught about racism in history? What about all the other millions of years of relevant information

[–]Interwebzking"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is why I'm taking a History class based on pre 1500's. I don't gotta worry about all this racial stuff. Plus there's so much more history in the millions of years before 1500.

[–]Jaykaykaykay 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is?

[–]Interwebzking"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well obviously

[–]Sabrovitch -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

wat

[–]Interwebzking"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm replying to the guy ahead of me? What's not to get?

[–]Jaykaykaykay -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But that doesn't support the sjw narrative! We need to cherrypick from history to support our preexisting patterns of thinking you silly goose!

[–]mightytwin21 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]mrbfowl 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

No kidding. I come here because I like Harry Potter. Not because I want to get into a discussion about race in modern society.

[–]FlintGreyVII 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hey! I grew up with this guy! I didn't know he was twitter famous.

[–]BeachSluts 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

He's a pretty awesome dude

[–]KOTOR_III_CONFIRMED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not if this post is any indication.

[–]darktask 62ポイント63ポイント  (22子コメント)

I'm stunned that this post is getting so much support in /r/harrypotter. In the books we learn about how muggleborns face discrimination and prejudice, yet some of the posters in here are acting as though past racism in our real societies no longer matters. It does matter, because it influences policies and opinions and misconceptions that continue to this day.

I don't think anyone can say young white people should take the blame of their forefathers, but when you act like something horrible didn't happen in the recent past, you make it possible for similarly horrible things to happen in the future.

Instead of ignoring or not acknowledging past racism just as Voldemort was called He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, we should confront and learn about the past to solve the problems there and build a better, more inclusive, more equal society.

[–]ichuckle8 inch Hufflepuff 54ポイント55ポイント  (5子コメント)

Pretty sure most white people acknowledge racism/slavery happened

[–][deleted] 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm stunned that this post is getting so much support in /r/harrypotter

Welcome to reddit, my friend. /r/harrypotter is a public reddit space and is no exception.

[–]Carcharodon_literati 36ポイント37ポイント  (2子コメント)

The contention isn't whether racism still exists (it does) or whether people of European descent did systemically terrible things in the past (they did). But comparing a present-day individual student to Voldemort is like comparing a German individual to Hitler, a Mongolian individual to Genghis Khan, and Ugandan individual to Idi Amin, etc.

Regardless of background, it's a false comparison unless that individual has performed actions or expressed views similar to the evil person in question.

[–][deleted] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

But the problem is not that people agree with the OP and want to argue the point that white people should feel guilty about the past but that the reaction people are having to the OP is--well, straight up racist.

[–]Carcharodon_literati 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've seen a bit of both - arguments and pure racism. And I agree that the latter doesn't belong in /r/harrypotter.

[–]It-Was-BloodSlytherin House Official Nap-Taker[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

Imagine my surprise at coming back to this post two hours later and finding all sorts of discussions on it.

It was meant to be funny (which I see most of you are taking it as) but I love the discussions that are happening too!

[–]capitolprostituteSlytherin Prefect 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

I saw it when you initially posted and was like "exhale loudly through my nose" and then I come back 5 hours later and just...

At least you got some nice karma from it?

[–]It-Was-BloodSlytherin House Official Nap-Taker[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Pretty much. I thought I'd get like 5 upvotes or something. Now there are people being pissed at each other in the comments, so my original "discussions are cool, guys" sentiment doesn't even really apply anymore.

[–]ObversaElm, 12 3/4", Dragon Heartstring, Hard 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I guess you could say...it was blood.

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[–]Marvolo_Mescudi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"I don't get it......oh, heh."

[–]SlowRollingBoil 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

These types of jokes used to be funny until people started being serious about white guilt and pushing an agenda that literally all white people are born racist and non-whites can't be racist.

[–]RichardoftheTrees 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

First of all, everyone is basing a lot of their opinions off "statistical fact"... But have we forgotten who's running this world?

If you own the publishing companies, then you dictate the information...

It would be much more strategic to the "power mongers" to keep us all fighting, of course.

I've lived in neighborhoods where my family, being white, were surrounded by African American families, Asian families and Hispanic families. There were times where there was only one or two other "white families" we knew of within the neighborhood. But there were just as many times where it was mainly "white families" and only a few "minority's". And I can tell you right now, without a doubt in my heart, it has more to do with where you sit financially than anything else... When we lived in the "hood", the police didn't give a shit what color your skin was... And I've seen white cops beat white, blacks and Asians and I've seen black cops dropping "n bombs" as they beat blacks, whites and Asians as well. (And Asian cops doing the same...) My point is that I've seen all people of every ethnic background doing the same things to every variety of person. On the counter side, I've been in "rich" neighborhoods and watched people get away with violent, malicious crimes. (Although I'm sure that the brutality knows no boundaries.) My point being was just that financial situations play a larger part into what cops, authority figures and people of all professions and walks of life will do to one another.

Secondly, every race has enslaved and been enslaved themselves. I'm not going to belittle anyone's heritage by trying to compare or justify one over the other.

In fact, I often wonder, though I know I can't be the only one to have realized how SMALL and MEAGER we've made this all in doing so...

What a SMALL and BELITTLING measure it is to view this all as "race against race"...

The only race that should matter is the one we're all apart of; we've given ourselves such small respect and acknowledgment upon labeling ourselves with made up titles...

We are ALL human beings of the planet Earth...

It's disgusting and such a disrespect to our glory as a species to group ourselves into national titles and uphold notions that we would be better than others simply for being born where we were...

(YES, I understand that these titles explain something about our upbringings, but there's no denying that a man or woman, regardless of their roots, has any less potential than the next...)

It's pitiful. It truly is. And perhaps we'll never dig ourselves out of this grave. I understand that.

All I know is that is that within myself and from what I've seen and heard of others, it takes a far greater strength to find the compassion and patience to love than to so easily embrace the urges to hate... EVERYONE makes judgments and at times is quick to anger... What makes us such wondrous creatures is when we find the strength to not let those fears sway our actions...

"To truly love is to have no enemy's. For though they may consider you as such, your heart is only open for them. To truly love is a courage beyond."

(And I'm no fuckin hippie. I have tattoos/piercings and long hair, but as I said... I know rage and confusion as much as the next man. I'm not ever going to be completely right. None of us fuckin will. But together, we will come a lot closer than ever imagined. Real talk...)

[–]gautampk 4ポイント5ポイント  (15子コメント)

Do you guys only learn about racism your history lessons? What about all that pre-1600s stuff? I don't think race was ever mentioned in any of my history lessons (unless you count the holocaust [edit: and a brief overview of the 1800s slave trade])...

[–]Rusted123 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, we are taught tons of new information.It just seems that thats all that those people learn.

For one, almost all of this shit happened because of the British.

Two, they almost never teach about the Anti-Irish violence in America that happened for years.

Three, they forget about the fact that they showed up and bought people who were already slaves. They didnt just find some Africans, point their guns and enslave them. They paid for slaves that were already enslaved by black people.

[–]poondi 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think most colleges talk about that stuff? I know my high school did, so I'd imagine colleges would too.

[–]OnSnowWhiteWings 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Haha

It's because people with white skin are inherently evil.

Down with racism.

[–]Feytale 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

[–]Legendhidde 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

That comment was fantastic and that song was insightful, awesome and above all funny. Thanks a ton for posting that, it made my day.

[–]Feytale 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Glad I could help.

They still do live theater performances filled with many many other great songs. Just saw them myself and was crying from laughter.

[–]Legendhidde 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It seemed kinda like sesame street, the Muppet show and a generally very rational song all stuffed together.

[–]Jaykaykaykay 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

Actually no, only white people can be racist because reasons /s

[–]Zeikos 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can't understand people that downvote these things.

I mean there was the "/s" tag too.

Upvote for you my friend

[–]-Mountain-King-Unspeakable 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone probably downvoted because they agree with the moronic idea that only whites can be racist.

[–]theJavoSlytherin Seeker 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

no not everyone is racist....

[–]maiwson 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

...and now imagine being German. You literally feel like Hitler.

[–]bloodguard 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

[Wanders into comments - looks around - rolls eyes and sneaks out]

[–]shaun056Charms Teacher 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Watch out Tumblr is leaking.

[–]Jaykaykaykay -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

lol, i feel especially bad for american white people, mainly men, the way they're being constantly guilt tripped with silly bullshit. its like the new american religion.

[–]willy_tha_walrus -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

yeah way worse than having to deal with systemic racism. we have it so, bad us american white men

[–]ilikzim 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This just sounds like he's either an avid fan for history, or he is rooting for Hitler...

[–]totally_jawsome 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My ancestry is from Scotland and Holland. My family members weren't even here in America for any of that stuff. And they faced their own discrimination just for being Scottish.

[–]Avatar_Yung-Thug 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

My entire family was busy being Jewish in Russia until 1925 so I answer to no one.