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[–]valley_pete 307ポイント308ポイント  (48子コメント)

History major here, couldn't feel less guilty about being white.

12 million people killed in 6 years, by 1 country, including a strong 6 million of people from my own religion...by white people on other white people.

Not EVERY atrocity in history happened against black people, very sorry to say.

Black people have done horrible things, white people have done horrible things, middle-eastern people have done horrible things, and asian people have done horrible things. All of those groups have also all done AMAZING things.

Game, blouses.

[–]SuperPRise 75ポイント76ポイント  (18子コメント)

As a white person who grew up on a Native American reservation, I don't feel any personal guilt because of what white people did to Native Americans centuries ago. I had no control over that and shouldn't need to feel guilty while sitting through a history lesson. However, I feel as though if Native Americans are still feeling the effects of what happened to them in the past (which they are, obviously), the government should be bending over backward trying to make it as right as can be reasonably expected.

[–]valley_pete 17ポイント18ポイント  (15子コメント)

100% still feeling it; the stuff that happened to them devestated their population for generations to come. I agree with you, absolutely. And like you said, the government should continue to make repetitions to them; just as they should those victims of slavery.

I didn't mean to take a "my race got treated worse than yours" type of post; just meant to say that only making it seem so one-sided, especially in today's time only using main examples from the 1800's on, is such a bad way of judging a group of people.

[–]SuperPRise 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh I know, I agreed with everything you said in your post. :) I just wanted to make the point that there are still things that can be done to make up for those horrible things even if nobody today should feel personal guilt about what transpired.

[–]valley_pete 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We're aboard the same train my friend.

[–]Uneje 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah and it's also sorta racist in itself because it ignores the great African kingdoms (some of which were great and terrible)

[–]Jaykaykaykay 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

That´s interesting. What do white people get for many of us, more than were african slaves in the us for example, being taken as slaves by north africans/muslims during the ottoman corsairs, and suffered a worse fate?

[–]telegetoutmyway 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I tried, but couldn't follow your sentence structure, plus your username lol. I think I get what you're trying to say though. Maybe.

[–]hairam 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I translated it I think:

"That's interesting. What do white people get for having been enslaved by North Africans/Muslims /during the Ottoman corsairs? There were more white slaves than there were African slaves in the US, and many suffered a worse fate."

I'm a bit lost with "during the Ottoman corsairs". Perhaps they meant during the Ottoman empire. Otherwise, "during" makes no sense to me, as I looked up Ottoman corsairs, and it refers to North African based groups of pirates.

[–]shark_vagina -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

North Africans at the time we're actually also Caucasian.

[–]theJavoSlytherin Seeker 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

did you know that former slave owners were actually paid for their freed slaves after the civil war but the slaves themselves never got anything in the way of reparations?

[–]illinoisadvertising 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

Did you know at the height of slavery 1.4 percent of the whites in the country owned slaves. And that 20 percent of freed blacks owned slaves

[–]lpc211 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's why it makes a whole lot more sense to approach the issue from the stand point of class. And for the overwhelming portion of American history Whites have been the dominate upper class that has no problem exploiting anyone of a lower class weather they be black, Italian, indigenous, Irish or Jewish among many other groups that have historically been relegated to lower class status. Many times this was done through enforcement by the gov which has always represented the interest of the upper class for the vast majority of US history and even the vast majority of world history.

[–]Uneje 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just because free blacks were rich(er) blacks, and rich people owned slaves.

[–]telegetoutmyway 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, how does that make it "just because"? It's kind of the whole point. Rich people owned slaves. There were also white slaves. I'm not trying to get into a huge debate though as I don't know enough about it. I'm also not trying to claim race wasn't a major factor either, just to clarify.

[–]Uneje 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It seemed like you were saying "1.4% of white people vs 20% of black people, so black people were more racist and had comparatively more slaves and promoted slavery the most", I suppose you weren't.

[–]theJavoSlytherin Seeker -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

and that effects what i said, how?

[–]illinoisadvertising 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought we were stating interesting facts about the slave trade

[–]XPGrinder 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

because of what white people did to Native Americans centuries ago

Lol. You make it sound like there's a White People Club that meets every week and sends out a news letter. Things are done by individuals, not by races.

[–]SuperPRise 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm saying "white people" as in "individual people who were white." I shouldn't feel guilt because I'm white and there were white individuals in the past who did things that harmed Native Americans. Sorry for the poor wording.

[–]-Mountain-King-Unspeakable 39ポイント40ポイント  (6子コメント)

And besides, you've never done ANYTHING. What do you have to be guilty about?

[–]theregimechange 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly, its not guilt they should be feeling, its sympathy.

[–]valley_pete 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

Like, me as a person in general? I've been a TERRIBLE person at points in my life, but it wasn't directed at a single race as the OP's meme suggests. Ironically enough, it was more towards my family and friends, people who you'd never think of being awful to in a clear state of mind.

Edit: to be clear, I don't know if your post is sarcastic or not, so I answered literally haha.

[–]-Mountain-King-Unspeakable 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not sarcastic, but rhetorical.

[–]valley_pete 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah ok. Well my answer stands, just to further what I meant in general, but I see what you were trying to say.

[–]RyanB_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty sure it was literal. He was saying you shouldn't feel bad because members of your race were dicks.

[–]Jaykaykaykay 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, he´s literally accomplished nothing. /s :p

[–][deleted] 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not feeling guilty about being white is a good thing, but I don't understand how that inevitably snowballs into "your race doesn't have more problems than mine does and you guys have done bad stuff too, so ha". If you're going to say that you don't like and don't want to be a part of the Oppression Olympics, don't put name in the running in the next sentence.

[–]Weave77 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nicely put.

In the end, people are people. No ethnic group is intrinsically superior or inferior in terms of morality. People trying to shame you because of the tint of your skin or your particular group of ancestors are nothing more than bigoted morons.

[–]jojotoughasnails 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This basically goes back to that Reddit thread of what's the worst thing your country has done and how is it taught in schools.

Every culture, race, country, whatever..they all have a dark past. How they've handled it since is the real marker.

Ex: Yea, Germany was once the worst ever. However, they don't deny it. They don't hide it. It's all out there to be taught and seen. It's probably the biggest learn from your history example.

[–]TerrorEyzs 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, people forget about the African tribesmen and chiefs that sold their own people to the slave traders....so yeah.

[–]Epicsharkduckweasley is our king 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

why would you feel guilty, you didn't do anything

[–]clwestbr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree right here. Took a rhetoric class in college that wound up secretly being about 'white guilt' (literally the title of one of the required books) and detailed why white people are awful and have been throughout history.

I feel like my country needs to get even footing between races, but I won't feel guilty about that because I wasn't party to it.

[–]bassabassa[🍰] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This post is perfect.

[–]Vassago81 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

By more than one country, romania and the croatian state were very willing participants to the holocaust , and every german occupied country had collaborationists very happy to help in the killings / deportation.

[–]Swankified_Tristan -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not EVERY atrocity in history happened against black people, very sorry to say.

Are we allowed to submit parts of comments to /r/nocontext?

[–]shark_vagina -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Black person here. Let's not compare oppressions. Yes, whites killed whites, but even now black people in America are still on the bottom rung of the ladder in every aspect you can think of.

[–]valley_pete 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Let's not compare oppressions."

::initiates discussion to compare oppressions::

Come on man. I'm not talking about the social structure of America today, and I'm not going to.

[–]shark_vagina 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why not?

[–]valley_pete 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That wasn't mentioned in my original post, and it has zero relevance to the point I was making, in said original post.