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[–]valley_pete 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

History major here, couldn't feel less guilty about being white.

12 million people killed in 6 years, by 1 country, including a strong 6 million of people from my own religion...by white people on other white people.

Black people have done horrible things, white people have done horrible things, middle-eastern people have done horrible things, and asian people have done horrible things. All of those groups have also all done AMAZING things.

Game, blouses.

[–]gyanos422 81ポイント82ポイント  (18子コメント)

I'm immune to white guilt. I didn't do anything to anyone so if they expect me to feel bad about something that happened before I was born, then they can go f themselves.

[–]auronvi 25ポイント26ポイント  (5子コメント)

And this is the attitude we should have. White guilt shouldn't be a thing... You have a responsibility to not repeat the mistakes of the past but you shouldn't shoulder any of the blame. You didn't exist when it happened.

[–]sekai-31 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But what if you're still profiting from it? I'm not Indian, but the crown jewels come to mind. Sure today's white people didn't steal it, but they're the ones still in possession of the stolen goods. I'm sure Indians and the Indian economy would be grateful for them back.

[–]AppleSpicer -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

No it isn't. It's defensive and reactionary and stifles progress by taking people of color's social criticisms as personal attacks. We should recognize modern systems of privilege and discrimination. It's not about blame or making people feel bad, those are internalizations the dominant group has (in the case of race, white people) and aren't often productive. Most of us don't want to admit we've benefited from exploitation or started with a head start, especially when our experiences don't include the absolute hell of modern racism. Unless we're part of a social minority group we aren't exposed to the crap they go through. All of this stuff has historical context too, it didn't just happen out of no where, which is why history is brought up. These problems are ongoing, not buried in the distant past, and must be acknowledged by the dominant group. Please do your part to end the vicious cycle and listen with an open mind to the voices of people who are part of a social minority. It's minimum human decency. It's not always easy, believe me, as a member of the dominant racial group I know, but realize that as difficult as it is for you it's a trillion times harder for that person who's opening up to you, expressing their hurt and frustration at inequality that has benefited you and screwed them over. At the end of the day you can go home and blank it out to revisit later but they can't. It's pervasive, stalks them, infects everything, and can't be cut out of their lives. So keep that in mind if someone ever offers you their perspective as someone from a minority group

[–]auronvi 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who says I don't do what you said at the end. I have an open mind and I don't ever judge someone based on stereotypes as much as I can. I treat everyone how I would like to be treated to the best of my ability. The minute someone tries to use their race to their advantage or pull the race card, or gay card, or trans card or whatever minority card they are holding I lose respect for them because not once did their race enter the equation when I was talking/dealing with them. In fact, I don't think the race card has ever been played on me unless it was in a joking or playful manner if that speaks to how I like to treat everyone I come in contact with.

We should not treat minorities by giving them special advantages. That's just as bad as treating a minority poorly. What you do is you teach love, tolerance and respect for ALL people regardless of their gender, race, sexuality or disability and get everyone to treat everyone else equally. You can't offset it. You can't make laws or rules that raise up minority classes because that will just breed contempt for those who may or may not receive those same benefits.

White people should not feel any guilt for their heritages past. They have a responsibility not to repeat those mistakes though and that's how they should be judged. The only time a white person should feel guilt is when they are actually treating someone bad, or different because of personal bias not because maybe their great-grandfather called someone a nigger once.

[–]fruitscrolllup 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

And do what? You people have a lot of words about feelings but no solution of any kind. "Listen with an open mind" okay and then what?

Give me a break.

[–]AppleSpicer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And take what people say into your worldview and act accordingly to eliminate systems of oppression. I could write a book here if that would be helpful

[–]darktask 26ポイント27ポイント  (6子コメント)

How about just recognizing that the things people did the past created a lot of systems and misconceptions that people still deal with today?

[–]worldchrisis 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I recognize that things people have done in the past have created inequalities in the present.

I was not responsible for those things that were done in the past, therefore I do not feel bad about them.

White guilt is a misunderstanding of the dynamics in play.

[–]Jaykaykaykay -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Every group of people have fucked each other over and gone through shit at some point so it becomes meaningless to say group a is more disadvantaged than group b, unless you´re cherrypicking history of course.

[–]darktask 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not meaningless if our current society is still influenced by the most recent type of racism. I don't think any one people can claim to be blameless of racism in the whole history of the world. But part of supporting equality is working towards equality, it's considering the lives of people different from your own and trying to see the world through their eyes.

[–]HigherResBear 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not like I get the praise for all the decent stuff white people have done why would I get the shit either. Neither would make sense.

[–]sekai-31 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course you do. People look at you being white and assume you're educated with a progressive mindset, that you're automatically wealthy and attractive (relatively and by virtue of being white). It's not really praise but it's still a nice benefit. And even if those things about you aren't true, others will assume it and it will affect how they treat you.

[–]duozieOur word is gold. -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As long as you recognize white people do have built-in social advantages and you're not denying the evident white privileges, that's more important than feeling guilty.

It's true, one person or one group's actions doesn't represent the ideology of an entire population and the generations after. Just like how not all Muslims are terrorists and not all Slytherins are Death Eaters.

[–]CryoftheBansheeI Solemnly Swear That I Am Up To No Good -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

[–]darktask 28ポイント29ポイント  (11子コメント)

I'm stunned that this post is getting so much support in /r/harrypotter. In the books we learn about how muggleborns face discrimination and prejudice, yet some of the posters in here are acting as though past racism in our real societies no longer matters. It does matter, because it influences policies and opinions and misconceptions that continue to this day.

I don't think anyone can say young white people should take the blame of their forefathers, but when you act like something horrible didn't happen in the recent past, you make it possible for similarly horrible things to happen in the future.

Instead of ignoring or not acknowledging past racism just as Voldemort was called He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, we should confront and learn about the past to solve the problems there and build a better, more inclusive, more equal society.

[–]Carcharodon_literati 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

The contention isn't whether racism still exists (it does) or whether people of European descent did systemically terrible things in the past (they did). But comparing a present-day individual student to Voldemort is like comparing a German individual to Hitler, a Mongolian individual to Genghis Khan, and Ugandan individual to Idi Amin, etc.

Regardless of background, it's a false comparison unless that individual has performed actions or expressed views similar to the evil person in question.

[–]ichuckle8 inch Hufflepuff 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Pretty sure most white people acknowledge racism/slavery happened

[–]darktask 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Then why are there posters in here claiming slavery and it's resulting racism still doesn't influence our society?

[–]ichuckle8 inch Hufflepuff 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

You said people act like it didn't happen in the past. No one here is denying that (and if they are they're a moron)

[–]EasySpeezeThe squid in the lake 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

My skin is reflect-the-sun white and my lineage cuts off right when they (almost) all die in the holocaust. People still come up to me and be like "You don't understand what its like for your ancestors to be enslaved and killed for no reason."

[–]PaoRightInThePussy 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

People like making excuses for their own mistakes in life

[–]EasySpeezeThe squid in the lake 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure if that was supposed to be a joke, but this probably wasn't the best place to tell it. I in no way meant any ill will against any race or religion, just that most people judge skin deep. The person that made the comment this thread is about was saying all white people feel that way and it just isn't true.

[–]darktask -4ポイント-3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah, like when they grow up in poverty and have to drop out of school to take care of their siblings.

[–]Jaykaykaykay 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Every group of people were poor at some point. Some were better at getting out than others, as it is with individuals. Take your economic determinism somewhere else.

[–]darktask -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not arguing that white people were magically and always wealthy, I'm saying that at this point in time, in modern societies, racism still exists and exerts influence over people's lives. For someone to claim that it doesn't is ridiculous and insulting to everyone who has suffered discrimination.

[–]ichuckle8 inch Hufflepuff 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because that only happens to people of color

[–]darktask -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It happens more often to "people of color" in North America, yes.

[–]PaoRightInThePussy 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's nothing. You don't know how hard it is out there for some middle-class kid whose great great great great grandfather was a slave. You can feel those chains stopping you from doing your homework.

[–]darktask 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

[–]b0ringusern4me 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

So you only get taught about racism in history? What about all the other millions of years of relevant information

[–]Horrgs 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Where else would it be taught? Science? Math? Only other place it might be taught is English/Literature if you're covering a book like that atm

[–]b0ringusern4me 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well you quite clearly misunderstood my point

[–]Interwebzking"I don't go looking for trouble. Trouble usually finds me." 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is why I'm taking a History class based on pre 1500's. I don't gotta worry about all this racial stuff. Plus there's so much more history in the millions of years before 1500.

[–]Jaykaykaykay 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But that doesn't support the sjw narrative! We need to cherrypick from history to support our preexisting patterns of thinking you silly goose!

[–]It-Was-BloodSlytherin House Official Nap-Taker[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Imagine my surprise at coming back to this post two hours later and finding all sorts of discussions on it.

It was meant to be funny (which I see most of you are taking it as) but I love the discussions that are happening too!

[–]FlintGreyVII 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey! I grew up with this guy! I didn't know he was twitter famous.

[–]Feytale 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]Jaykaykaykay 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Actually no, only white people can be racist because reasons /s

[–]Zeikos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't understand people that downvote these things.

I mean there was the "/s" tag too.

Upvote for you my friend

[–]shaun056Charms Teacher 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Watch out Tumblr is leaking.

[–]brent32well 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

White and British

[–]Jaykaykaykay 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol, i feel especially bad for american white people, mainly men, the way they're being constantly guilt tripped with silly bullshit. its like the new american religion.

[–]Mobster96 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (14子コメント)

As a white person, doing a lot of things make me feel that way

[–]SuitandThaiShit 7ポイント8ポイント  (13子コメント)

such as?

[–]DoctorBees69 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

People expecting me to feel guilty because of something my ancestors or people I dont even know do, because of the color of my skin.

[–]sallyk92 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (9子コメント)

That's not the intention of white privilege, I hope you're not combining the idea of "white guilt" and "white privilege" in your head.

[–]FJSpoof 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

They are both idiotic concepts anyway.

[–]BigBassBone -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Kinda sad seeing a Ravenclaw think that way.

[–]ArgonGryphon 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Saddens me to see Ravenclaws fall in with the usually illogical tumblrina bullshit.

[–]jakenh 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Slytherin just checking in on a ravenclaw comment thread.

[–]sallyk92 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Slow your roll, Tootsie! No need to get so harsh. I disagree with you but it doesn't look like a lively debate is up your alley.

[–]DoctorBees69 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I understand the two separate terms, but I dont have privelege because I am white, that is complete bull shit. There are people higher and lower than me socioeconomically with many different or same skin colors. And some will have better lives with me, some won't. I'm just saying that I'm not going to have 'white guilt' because someone thinks I should be aware or remorseful for my 'white privelege'. Edit: spelling

[–]Sigh_No_More 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think you completely understand the idea of privilege then. It's not about who's better or worse off overall, it's about the fact that some people deal with daily struggles that you will never experience on that level. People can be privileged in some ways and not in others. For example, a rich black person in the US has class privilege, but not racial privilege.

Think of it this way: say you get into an argument with somebody on Reddit about racism. You get frustrated and say "I don't feel like arguing about this anymore. I'm done now." That's privilege. People who experience racism/sexism/poverty/etc. as part of their daily lives can't just get up and walk away from it.

[–]DoctorBees69 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But you're saying that because I am white I have a privelege and don't experience racism? Or that this blackan suffers from racism more than me? You don't know me or what I go through daily, or where I live. Saying that I do or don't have some privilege or lack of suffering because of my race is just a generalization and racist. The main reason racism is still so prominent in today's society is because people can't just see others as equal. Even people trying to be politically correct as possible have started saying that different races are more or less privileged. You know what that does? Create a divide between races, and keeps what happened in the past alive and still in everyones faces. How are we supposed to truly be a better and equal society when people are still trying to categorize or differentiate others based on race?

[–]Mobster96 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Watching 12 years a slave basically

[–]run-forrest-runPuddlemere United Captain and Keeper 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Glad I watched that one at home then.

[–]BigBassBone -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

ITT: People blinded by their own privilege.

[–]ArgonGryphon 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

ITT: People tired of over-sensitive bullshit.

[–]gautampk -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Do you guys only learn about racism your history lessons? What about all that pre-1600s stuff? I don't think race was ever mentioned in any of my history lessons (unless you count the holocaust)...

[–]firestar27 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

You never learned about the African slave trade?

[–]ArgonGryphon 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

You mean where a bunch of Africans sold other Africans to still other Africans and some white people?

[–]firestar27 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Africans aren't all one race, and once they got to America and Europe, it quickly became even more white vs. black.

[–]ArgonGryphon -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

And? How does it change the fact that it was one tribe of African people selling members of another tribe to other tribes, both of black people and white? Yes, whites owned black slaves. Blacks own black slaves. Whites owned white slaves, and blacks owned white slaves.

Not to mention the fact that you ask "Didn't you learn about the african slave trade" while glossing over who was doing the selling?