[Opinion] Question 5 Follow up

higgldeepiggldee · 11時間前

Short answer? The Truth. Not what the poorly-researched media has told them.

Long answer? That we're ordinary people who have been unfairly maligned simply because we don't want an in-crowd of cultural authoritarians telling us what to do and what to think. If gaming has any genuine problems that need dealing with (and none of these superficial issues like "air conditioning is sexist"), we, the community, want to deal with them on our own terms.

Zacoftheaxes · 10時間前

The ones keeping exclusive groups are not in gamergate. I know someone who is anti who refused to talk to one of my friends (a lesbian and cancer survivor) for several days after he started an argument about why she should support Anita Sarkeesian (she doesn't).

I've played games with all sorts of people and the only thing I ask is that they are fun to play with.

Back when I was a single dude in the late teens I played Team Fortress 2 with a woman and we flirted back and forth. I found out she was trans and hadn't gone through any procedure yet but I didn't care, we flirted because we got along and had similar sense of humor (I'm now dating a cis straight shitlady).

I've played games of Crusader Kings 2 with a man I can only describe as the world's proudest southern gay fat man.

I've gamed with people of all races, sexes, genders, socioeconomic class, and all across the world.

Gaming brings people together, political othering tears people apart. We want ethical journalism and an end to the clickbait culture war so we can go back to playing video games.

JRBelmont · 10時間前

Gamergate is provably one of the largest and most diverse groups online right now. It has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for charity starting with a radical feminist group trying to get more women into game development and moving on to other causes from there. It has given female, LGBT, and minority gamers an unprecedented platform to speak for themselves and pursue a message of empowerment rather than have almost universally rich white men speak for them and cow them into submission with fear, hate, and fabricated statistics.

And these people have done all of this despite an equally unprecedented violent backlash which started with racial slurs and racially targeted doxxings costing multiple people their jobs all the way up through knives, syringes, and dead animals being sent in the mail culminating (so far) in credible bomb threats all from the very same people who claim to be "feminists" fighting for "equality". Women who built girls schools in pakistan (where Malala got shot in the head) are afraid of being seen as "gender traitors" and yet still stand with us.

Research has proven repeatedly that gamers and nerds are among the most egalitarian of demographics. The difference is that we reject the toxic notion that women will never be anything but weak, fragile, helpless victims perpetually in need of saving and special treatment. Women are equals, not eggshells, and we expect them to stand and fight beside us.

MrHandsss · 11時間前

That we don't hate women, we don't hate LBGT, we don't think we are better than them, we don't condone harassment or doxxing anyone, etc.

ALL WE WANT IS JOURNALISTS TO BE PROFESSIONAL AT THEIR JOBS.

NobleH · 11時間前

As TimetravelerKi said, rather succinctly, "The fucking truth." We want people to know what we stand for and why we stand for it.

We stand for ethics in journalism, specifically gaming, though we are not slow to call out ethically breaches in other forms of journalism.

We stand for ethics because biased journalism is anti-consumer. Either through the spread of misinformation, or through the pushing of a narrative, it harms readers. We've seen it time and time again in GG, where journalists will portray gamers as harassers, sexist pigs. Similarly, we've seen the pushing of an authoritarian agenda, one promoting censorship through the lens of "equality."

Dwavenhobble · 9時間前

Answer.

What do I want the public to know?

That Gamergate isn't the monster in the dark trying to oppress people and hold the medium and creators hostage.

Gamergate is the one saying "make what you want, don't feel restricted. Try as this medium of gaming will only get better if people are allowed to fail sometimes and not crucified for doing it." Just look at which side was happily pushing for GTA V to be banned.

Make a game, get an audience and gaming as a whole welcomes you to carve your own niche out.

goonerh1 · 11時間前

There is such a wide range of people from diverse backgrounds in #GamerGate, in race, gender, sexuality, politics and nationality.

Look beyond the "boy's club" image that is painted of us and you'll see that we are passionate but welcoming people.

NoOneWhere · 10時間前

The truth.

Namely, GamerGate is a consumer movement born from a scandal involving a female game developer and a male game journalist, which evolved quickly into in-depth investigations into possible cronyism/corruption which left it's original story behind and has started to cover broader issues after years of suspicious behaviours by game journalists and game developers/distributors alike.

We have always acknowledged that there are people who use the #GamerGate tag to harass/stalk people, both male and female targets. Yet unlike what most of the media claim, the group that forms #GamerGate has never sought to harass and/or stalk people. We've always spoken out against it.

Also unlike what the media claim, we do not seek to exclude people from playing and/or making games. There will always people who make politically engaged games. And there will always be people who buy it. Yet what is not acceptable is if the journalists, while knowing their influence on making or braking a game, play favorites while also having a relation (direct or indirect) with the game developer(s).

What is expected is that journalists tell us what a game is. Sure, they can have an opinion - but it shouldn't be that you give a game favorable reviews solely because you personally know the developers, or it fits your personal world view, while you give negative reviews to developers because you don't know them personally (or you do but you don't like their personality) and/or the game narrative/style doesn't fit your personal world view.

Limon_Lime · 11時間前

We want games news and games, not political propaganda.

Aurondarklord · 7時間前

We're not about hate. We're not defined by who or what we want to keep OUT of gaming, but by what we want to keep IN. Artistic freedom, creativity, honesty, a fair balance of power between consumers, developers, and reviewers, and the standards and practices journalists have ALWAYS been expected to uphold.

IMULTRAHARDCORE · 10時間前

I want them to know the media they have come to rely on (wikipedia in particular) is not to be trusted. The journalists and editors and ombudsman have lied. It's time to grow up and stop relying on other people to tell you what to think. If you want to know something you need to research it yourself otherwise you run the risk of being vastly misinformed. Next time this might not be just about video games and it's extremely important that the public be prepared to weather a misinformation campaign the likes of which most have never seen before. Trust but verify.

popehentai · 10時間前

We're not some kind of "sexist" monster. We arent a mass of "racists". We aren't saying "we don't want those games, but you can't have them either because we don't like them" We just want to play games and be left alone. We want the public to know that they've been fed a line of bunk by a corrupt media who is invested in keeping us as a bogeyman.

DwarfGate · 9時間前

Gamers are being demonized by the same idiotic puritanical media that demonized games a decade ago, called metal and rock music the devil, and said Dungeons & Dragons inducted kids into a satanic cult.

If you want to let the media paint your children as rapist stalkers because they play video games, then by all means, let this crap continue.

Rolling_Rok · 10時間前

All the stuff we've achieved. All the charities we've supported. http://imgur.com/DIIv675 How we actually support women in tech. That we are more inclusive than any other group on this earth, because we are gamers. We don't care, as long as you love to play games. That all the slandering came from the corrupt media and the people profiting by devaluing what #GG stands for. The very people that we've been calling out since the very beginning and their followers.

The following part is not part of the answer:

I have big problems with your (Keep it brief!) Glasgow. I don't want to rant here, but I still want to give this feedback. The answer to this question is really important to GG and readers that don't know about GG might not understand how hurt we are because no one ever listened to us. I personally like "The fucking truth." by another poster here, but that doesn't tell the reader anything. The answer to this question should be quite big in my opinion, but hey, it's your article.

richmomz · 10時間前

We're nice people who just want our media representatives to act ethically and take consumer concerns seriously. We also want the people who make our games to feel free to express themselves freely without fear of being slandered and shamed by outside activist groups and special interests.

HowAboutShutUp · 11時間前

Gaming as an industry is bigger than Hollywood in terms of money, and an industry of that size deserves better coverage than the politicized garbage it gets.

nucking · 10時間前

Just come and investigate yourself, I don't want you to take my opinion, I want you to weigh in and have a rational reasoned discussion.

zagiel · 5時間前

awareness of media bias, and actually know the truth about gamergate

i'm baffled how public isnt terrified that media can turn people against each other through lies and misinformation. Gamergate is a hard proof that media can and will spin fact to get "story" and push their ideology, they dont care about fact checking they want "good" news out of the gate ASAP as long as they get the clicks

TimetravelerKi · 11時間前

The fucking truth.

mcantrell · 8時間前

Q5a. What do you want the public to know about GamerGate? (Keep it brief!)

We're not fighting Feminists, or Feminism. We're fighting fake "womyn supremacist" "third wave" feminists.

The major source of the "GamerGate are misogynists" is Gawker. You know, the same Gawker who everyone finally realized is full of snot?

We hated Gawker before it was cool.

sryii · 11時間前

I would like the public to please judge from our actions here on KiA. Reddit is fairly easy to use, come ask questions, participate, and even have a disagreement with us. Likewise, go seek out our detractors and use their sites, ask questions, participate, and even have a disagreement with them. You can come to your own conclusions and you may be surprised at how off the information reported by your previously trusted sources of information like Wikipedia and newspapers are!

Aldershot8800 · 2時間前

Just the truth. Tell them the god honest truth.

I've read the comments as I'm sure you have as well. I don't feel like there is anything to hide. There's nothing I want to say that I don't think you didn't pick up yourself.

Besides a few trolls, ask yourself: Was the discussion about hating women?

Ralod · 7時間前

The truth. We are not misogynists. We are not harassers. We are fed up with people who should be defending the hobby we love doing nothing but attack it. We are tired of politics being brought to a forum it has no place being.

JymSorgee · 9時間前

We're gamers. Gender and race are not identities in games they are something you choose at character generation. Is it challenging? Is it fun? This we care about.

Angle_of_the_Dangle · 11時間前

I want the public to know they have been lied to concerning gamergate. I want the public to be called to action against those who lied to them.

crystalflash · 5時間前

Honestly, the most important thing I want the public to know is that gamers aren't the demons the media always makes us out to be. We've had to deal with such misconceptions since the NES era, and finally when it seemed that people were opening up to gaming and gamers after Jack Thompson's disbarment, SJWs sprouted up to declare every gamer a sexist monster.

Gamers are the most diverse group of people you'll ever meet. We may talk rough to each other sometimes, and there may be the occasional bad egg, but as a community we're all good-natured and willing to go the extra mile to do good. The countless charity drives gamers have ran are proof of this. Those who continue to claim that gamers are nothing but white pasty nerds who hate outsiders should stop watching old 80's flicks and actually go out and see the various gaming communities.

Taylor7500 · 10時間前

We're not a harassment/hate group.

All we want is an end to censorship and good, ethical journalism.

turbodan1 · 10時間前

"Gamers" (very broadly, and speaking of dedicated gamers as a whole) are not a privileged group, nor are we the establishment, simply because we are largely white and male. Gamers have been entirely unable to voice their opinion on this topic, yet are painted by the establishment as the establishment. We don't even have say in our own very tiny corner of the media.

KMyriad · 7時間前

A group criticizing the media will always have a bad media portrayal. Remember that. If they're accusing us of being neo-conservatives, they won't talk about the group's large liberal majority. If they're accusing us of being anti-gay, they won't talk about the disproportionately high number of us who are LGBT+. If they call us misogynists, they won't mention those who are women or long-time feminists. They have a story they want to tell, and it makes them look very good.

Sometime, though, take a look at the game journalism industry that is actually making these claims about us, because I've seen party platters with less crackers and sausages.

carbohydratecrab · 9時間前

Look, ideally we would want people to know that we're fighting for the right things, that the gaming press has serious problems and these serious problems flow down and actively hurt gaming.

However, if that is not possible, a good compromise would be that we aren't malicious- that we at least believe we are fighting for the right thing. That we're not sexists, we're not racists, we aren't against games becoming more 'progressive', we aren't against representation of women, other races, trans people etc. in games. Even if the gaming press isn't as bad as we feel it is, our cause is still just.

Zero132132 · 11時間前

That the activities that are consistently claimed to be our entire purpose and goal are banned at all of our hubs of activity.That, to the extent that we are a group, we're very diverse, and don't oppose the diversification of games.

Most importantly, I want people to quit assuming that we're all monsters.

Geocities_SEO_Expert · 5時間前

The short answer for me are points 1, 2, and 3. Gamers (and everybody else, for that matter) don't want disruptive people showing up and sabotaging things for their own selfish ends. It doesn't matter if it's blog click$ or GOTISing to get freebies, or just flailing around to get any attention possible. People pay for hobbies to enjoy those hobbies, not prop up some internet stranger. If somebody feels like she's been singled out because she's a girl, she should contemplate why and how so many other women don't have that problem at all.

Seruun · 8時間前

The truth. That gaming culture has a corrupt press that is in cohorts with people who want to heavily engineer gaming culture to suit thier needs, economical (create a problem then sell the solution) and ideological. We do not want that. We do not want gaming to be come the latest left versus left turf war, like new atheism versus atheism plus or what happened during #shirtgate.

We do not want that. We just want a press who tells the truth and not being dragged into political turf wars while playing video games.

AFunctions · 9時間前

Not the best phrasing there. There's a whole list of things that the public should learn, but facts about GamerGate itself are very low on it. It's more important that they learn about the nature of certain media outlets, their ideological biases and methods of pushing agenda; that they stop being fed lies about internet and "nerd" culture as a whole, or biased "scientific" research about media.

To keep it really brief: I want the public to know that we're right and our detractors are wrong.

Battess · 11時間前

No matter what you end up concluding you will understand the GamerGate situation better by investigating it yourself first-hand rather than relying on Wikipedia, the mainstream media, or negative stereotypes of gamers. Its an amorphous movement and a complex situation that can't be summed up as "loser nerds want to chase women out of gaming", a narrative which as far as I can tell is almost totally irrelevant to anything that goes on here.

Wavinator · 6時間前

GamerGate is made up of a diverse group of men and women who happen to be gamers. They are from all walks of life, ages, different political stripes (mostly left or apolitical), gay, straight, trans, etc. You should ask yourself why you haven't been told this and what those who are keeping this truth from you stand to gain. If it is possible to lie so consistently and blatantly about gamers, what else is it possible to lie about?

Kinbaku_enthusiast · 10時間前

The truth.

There has never been a single credible example of a death threat or harassment against women from a gamergate supporter. There hasn't been a single conviction. We don't know who makes these threats.

But we do know that two of the three women that claim to have received these threats by gamergate supporters have in the past made threats against themselves. They have also both claimed to have left the house in fear of danger, although both of these trips turned out to be pre-planned trips that they had announced prior on twitter. The game journalists spread this as truth to prevent any discussion about their lack of ethics.

Please visit deepfreeze.it and see the many ethical problems and uncovered corruption so far and have a visit on reddit.com/r/kotakuinaction/ to get to know us and see us as we are.

Radspakr · 3時間前

I want people to know how much we love gaming and want it to grow and thrive, I want new experiences and new voices in the gaming world. There was a certain amount of relief on my part when gaming became mainstream because I wasn't being judged as much any more (still happens though) then our own media turned on us. They put self interest ahead of the community and have become the very people who derided us.

xChrisk · 6時間前

GamerGate wants the public to know that the media is lying to them and coordinates their deceptive agenda. Our story couldn't be clearer evidence of that.

The public really has no role in fending off the far left's cultural imperialism we are experiencing. Despite the established history of far left cultural imperialism within other movements, it is an issue only we can address from within.

urbn · 7時間前

The press is a powerful tool that can be used to a persons own advantages when given the opportunity. We have seen this happen in the past and it can't be allowed to happen again. The people and companies in the journalism industry need to be held accountable when they try to abuse this power to their own ends and the public needs to be aware of what has happened when we take our eyes off them.

AvianMinded · 8時間前

I'm more interested in getting the whole story out about (for lack of a better term) SJWs. They've invaded academia, law, gaming, politics... They're fucking with the legal definition of rape, redefining what constitutes a hate crime, ruining once trusted sources of information. The list goes on, but you wanted brief answers.

Saltyintelshills · 10時間前

I would like the public to think of Gamergate as a hashtag to talk about the consumer revolt against unethical journalism in video games. I would like the public to think of the consumer revolt as a train, without brakes and often on fire, that will either arrive where it needs to go or the ride will never end at all.

Javaed · 6時間前

The mass media is failing in their duty to report the truth, as it is more profitable for them to only report what is interesting and scandalous. We've been falsely accused of a number of horrible things for daring to suggest the media should a) behave ethically and b) stop reporting political opinions as fact.

oldmanbees · 10時間前

Q5a. What do you want the public to know about GamerGate? (Keep it brief!)

That's a silly question, because GamerGate is the public. If there's anything people who don't yet know anything about it should know, it's that all are welcome, no barriers to entry. Come by, say hi, fight censorship. Or be a dick (this is what ghazi chooses to do, every single time one of those knuckleheads drops by). People probably won't react to you well, but they still won't bar you from speaking, and that's a rare community value in 2015.

Niridas · 6時間前

that it's a legitimate consumer revolt against lies, deception, corruption and cronyism in games- and mass media

it's NOT a hate-mob and doesn't consists only of straight white men

also.... we're the Jedi and the Hobbits. the others are the Sith and the Orks :3

SkizzleMcRizzle · 9時間前

The truth. That the media for the most part are liars. I don't care if they agree with gamergate. I just want them to see the people they trust have been lying to them... mostly. Some journalist, like perhaps yourself, seem to be trustworthy and respectable still.

frankenmine · 11時間前

In short, GamerGate is but one front in a larger war for the soul of western civilization. The narratives and tactics that have been used to keep the truth about GamerGate out of the public eye have also been used in all aspects of western civilization by adherents of the same political and ideological schools for the past half century. The public has a right to know the facts and needs to be equipped with the necessary tactics to fight back.

Astojap · 10時間前

The unethicalk behavior of the Gaming press, that GG is mostly about ethics and not harassment and the extrem media bias in regards to the reporting and viciousness of a subset of people fighting activley and prolonged against gamergate.

Agkistro13 · 10時間前

That anyone can be a part of it. The problems GamerGate has discovered in gaming journalism are there in other subcultures as well, and sci-fi fans, comics fans, sports fans and others shouldn't be afraid to get active.

GOU_NoMoreMrNiceGuy · 7時間前

we want gaming to be about gaming. we don't want people who don't like or play games telling us what is ok or not ok to want and like.

men don't police romance fiction. leave us the fuck alone with what we like.

KarzanGilgriksson · 10時間前

We aren't racist. We aren't sexist. We want people to feel welcome if they really want to be part of our hobby.

No one in a niche group likes posers or invaders. That's why people who seem to be "wearing" gaming like part of an outfit are so openly despised. It's why Anita Sarkeesian is so disliked -- because her videos demonstrate a complete lack of understanding or genuine appreciation of the hobby.

Yosharian · 10時間前

Gamergate is a place of discussion. If the public is to be informed of anything it should be what is discussed in Gamergate. Those things have already been stated by me and others in answers to Q1.

The most important thing for the public to know is that they cannot trust the mainstream media to tell them anything about GG.

TheCid · 9時間前

Q5a. What do you want the public to know about GamerGate? (Keep it brief!)

That GamerGate is at its core a consumer revolt by gamers against corrupt media cliques and censorship.

DelAvaria · 10時間前

Unethical journalism exists and attempts to manipulate the consumer. It is important to stand up to because otherwise the few get to control the opinions of the many.

Orzasku · 10時間前

We are pretty much the same people as anyone else. All we wanted to do was play and enjoy video games without being told we are terrible human beings for doing so.

dannylew · 9時間前

That we do, in fact, have a reason for coming together like this. That we are, in fact, not monsters. And that we will not accept abuse from the news media.

mnemosyne-0000 · 11時間前

Archive links for this post:

archive.is: https://archive.is/wGkfB

I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

Akudra · 8時間前

GamerGate represents people of various beliefs, identities, and experiences, and is nothing like what has been described in most media outlets.

AdiposeSingularity · 9時間前

Tell them that Gamergate is the gamers version of Shirtstorm. Same shaming tactics, same media narrative. same corrupt nonsense.

IIHotelYorba · 9時間前

Virtually everything you've heard is probably wrong. Don't listen to them, or even us, read about all this stuff yourselves.

DaedLizrad · 7時間前

That the stereotype pushed by the mainsteam media and now our media pandering to that narrative for views is bullshit.

anirtkce · 9時間前

The truth, is what I want. This other question is just a way to dehumanize us. I really don't understand why it needs a response.

troushers · 52分前

Where they can find out more information, or hang out and talk to us.

Phrenologicus · 5時間前

If you love liberty, truth, and inclusiveness - support #Gamergate.

MSMPlan · 6時間前

Points at the Dossier and Leo The Pirate's video on the sidebar

AntonioOfVenice · 11時間前

We support ethics and believe in creative freedom.

GoggleHeadCid · 8時間前

We fight against Yellow Journalism.

wharris2001 · 9時間前

GamerGate is not a hate group.

HariMichaelson · 9時間前

The truth.

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