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[–]itsfineitsgreat -14ポイント-13ポイント-12ポイント 8時間前 (50子コメント)
It's a private company, dude. Vote with your feet.
[–]BadCompSciMod 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 8時間前 (2子コメント)
I am already doing it by using adblock and not giving reddit any profit.
[–]unusual_happenstance 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 7時間前 (0子コメント)
If only that was good enough, but they're already hosting racists for free, so I'm pretty sure any user that isn't a racist using reddit for free is only regarded as a bonus to them.
[–]itsfineitsgreat -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)
cool!
[–]gavinbrindstar 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 6時間前* (46子コメント)
"If you don't like something, know what'll get your point across? Not interacting with that thing ever again! Your silence will explain exactly what you think is wrong."
[+]itsfineitsgreat スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 6時間前 (45子コメント)
What do you not understand about a private company doing what it wants? No one is forcing you to post here. Close the browser, jesus christ.
[–]LysergicDiethylaMan[S] 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 6時間前 (44子コメント)
You're right. Reddit is a privately held company, and they can control their content however they see fit— but do you honestly think everyone who doesn't agree with the content policy needs to shut the fuck up?
I mean, shit, the majority of the user base on this site acts like they're oppressed for their shitty opinions— when the CEO of Reddit basically admitted that they would be given preferential treatment. Saying that reddit is open to all types of opinions is a little different than being like "we're fully in support of these communities, and we've even decided to subsidize their experience." The hate subs are emboldened more now than they ever were before, and it feels like I can't go anywhere without seeing "DAE SJWs" or something along those lines, pushed all the way to the top with upvotes and dank maymays of approval.
So, in short, yeah Reddit is a privately held company that can do whatever with their website— but that doesn't mean I need to shut the fuck up about my opinion on the matter.
P.S. /u/spez how is that containment policy working out for you?
[+]itsfineitsgreat スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10ポイント-9ポイント-8ポイント 6時間前 (43子コメント)
I'm just lolling at the different response the FPH ban got. When they cried about free speech, everyone else was like "it's a private company lol, you can't just force them to adhere to your views".
Suddenly, it's different when it's your views, isn't it?
[–]IAmTheShitRedditSays 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 5時間前 (4子コメント)
Well there was a lot more nuance to the arguments against FPH having a platform to spread their hate, but all the whiners who plagued the front page for days after it got banned weren't listening to in-depth arguments, so it was just the catchy bite-sized slogans (like "reddit can do what it wants") that got traction.
This is the same situation: there are plenty of good reasons not to give hate a voice, but the only argument that the moderate human-shields for racists ("free-speechers") are hearing is "racists should shut the fuck up because I disagree with them." They should shut the fuck up and go the fuck away from any sort of reality that remotely affects my life, but for better reasons than just because me and my friends don't agree with them.
Now shoo shoo you racist shill.
[+]itsfineitsgreat スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8ポイント-7ポイント-6ポイント 5時間前 (3子コメント)
Yeah, see the problem is one person's hate is another person's hobby. That's why government protects basically all of it, and private company's can decide to do what they want.
But it sure is interesting watching all this. Just various camps of partisans demanding their viewpoint gain traction. Popcorn-y fun.
[–]IAmTheShitRedditSays 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 5時間前 (2子コメント)
Well, at least you've found a way to feel superior to the racists and the people who are tired of hate, siddhartha.
[+]itsfineitsgreat スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 5時間前 (1子コメント)
lmao this is the second time recently that /r/circlebroke has been bothered by smugness. It's funny. It's a private company, it's gonna do whatever it thinks is best for its brand. That's all.
If you could, would you shut down all conversations about things you don't like, the world over? Or are you just focused on making certain companies adhere to your viewpoints?
[–]sameshiteverydayhere 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
TIL racists spewing venom, harassing every sub in town, and celebrating and advocating violence against people they dehumanize is a "conversation".
Oh, and that we are obligated to suffer their shit because "free speech" and accept without question a company encouraging it. We can't complain that Reddit is lesser because of it, because THAT speech is not okay.
[–]LysergicDiethylaMan[S] 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 6時間前 (0子コメント)
No, it's not any different. It's exactly the same. But I still should be allowed to openly disagree.
[–]kaowerk 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 4時間前 (25子コメント)
i love how you have to abstract it out and talk about them being just "opinions" or "views" to avoid admitting that you're defending hate speech
[–]itsfineitsgreat -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 4時間前 (24子コメント)
I have no problem saying that I defend hate speech.
I DEFEND HATE SPEECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /R/CIRCLEBROKE, I'M A HATE SPEECH DEFENDER!!!!!!!!
Who cares? Is that something that makes people gasp in your circles? They freak out at the idea of not lashing out against anything you don't like? I'm literally using the exact same argue I made against fph. Do people in your circle of friends and coworkers flip out at intellectual honesty and consistent viewpoints?
[–]LysergicDiethylaMan[S] 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 4時間前 (8子コメント)
Sorry, where have I been intellectually dishonest in this conversation? I admitted that I'm a big fat hypocrite because I want a private company to make a concession based on my personal values. Does that make me any less smug? Fuck no. A bunch of racists and misogynists got a huge concession because they threw a temper tantrum. Where's my concession? I can be a child too.
EDIT: /u/spez how is that containment policy working out for you?
[–]itsfineitsgreat -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 4時間前 (7子コメント)
I'm glad you admit to being a child, then.
And I was talking to /u/kaowerk, who seemed to imply that saying a company can host what they want to host is something you have to "avoid admitting". Dinners must be real fun with him, what with all the things you should "avoid admitting".
But yes, I'm glad we reached that point: it was childish when fph did it, and it's childish now.
[–]LysergicDiethylaMan[S] 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (6子コメント)
Oh jeez, don't act like this somehow made you superior. That's just as childish.
I don't really get how you think both sides of this argument are equally represented. Preference is obviously given to the casually racist and misogynist. It's fairly apparent when browsing the default subs. If the voting system were actually a purely democratic tool, this wouldn't be an issue– but it's not. It's frequently used as a means of silencing dissent.
[–]kaowerk 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 4時間前 (10子コメント)
Who cares?
quite a few people lol
i dare you to announce that on facebook or whatever and take a look at the responses you get
[–]itsfineitsgreat -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 4時間前 (9子コメント)
I don't have a facebook anymore, but since my friends and family aren't fucktarded, I think it'd be fine.
"OMG /u/itsfineitsgreat, you're fine with a private company allowing what it wants to allow? YOU MONSTER!" Is that what your facebook friends would say or something?
[–]kaowerk 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 4時間前 (8子コメント)
again, you have to remove all of the details to make it not reprehensible lol
"a private company allowing what it wants to allow" vs "a private company providing a safe haven community for virulent racists, misogynists, etc"
[–]sameshiteverydayhere 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間前 (3子コメント)
Basically it just makes you the sort of insufferable asshole I would avoid in real life. And I imagine that's how people around you feel in the real world. That you have your priorities in human interaction way out of whack and can't see the impacts words have.
[–]itsfineitsgreat -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
Wow, too smug for /r/circlebroke again? You flatter me so.
[–]sameshiteverydayhere 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間前 (1子コメント)
That's nice, dear.
[–]krucen 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間前 (6子コメント)
Which was a reply to the "free speech" argument and nobody here is making that free speech argument.
Seeing as how the question was different of course the response was different.
No shit, that's how opinions work. Germans are such hypocrites since they ban hate speech and swastikas but not anti-racist speech and rainbow flags. /s
[–]itsfineitsgreat -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 3時間前 (5子コメント)
No, it's a reply to people whining about content. If you don't like how a private company conducts itself, feel free to use another one. It's not like reddit has a monopoly on internet boards. Exactly what we all said to the FPHers.
[–]LysergicDiethylaMan[S] 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
we all
I'm getting the feeling you shouldn't associate yourself with me.
[–]LysergicDiethylaMan[S] 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Oh no, I did. But I obviously am unfazed by your claims of hypocrisy, and still think the socially progressive side of the argument deserves a concession just like CoonTown got.
[–]itsfineitsgreat -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 3時間前 (0子コメント)
Oh, you didn't say that to them?
[–]krucen 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間前 (1子コメント)
You're being reductionist. It was a response to the free speech argument.
I just think it's funny that we loved a private company doing as it saw fit a month or two ago, now we very badly want them to change for us. Delicious irony.
That's not irony or hypocrisy. You were cool with the political party doing X but now that they're doing Y you object, how ironic.
We can break it down in granularity until absolutely nothing is ever comparable: even if a situation had the same actors in the same situation, the time would be slightly different and therefore things are different and therefore you can't make a comparison, yadda yadda.
Months ago, a group was upset because a private company looked at the bottom line and said "we don't want this". Now a group is upset because a private company looked at the bottom line and said "we're going to allow this." And it's manifesting itself in the exact same way, except, thankfully, the shitposting whine is much more (again ironically) contained. For now.
[–]sameshiteverydayhere 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前 (3子コメント)
Sure is different. People were glad FPH was banned because it was hateful and attacked people.
Yet here you're saying we shouldn't also stand against other even more hateful grous and should just accept it because the High Fuckety Fucks have patted those subs on the head and given them a genuinely better user experience (no ads) than people who aren't scum. Reddit is actively rewarding scum.
And that's what it boils down to. We're putting the idea of a less hateful reddit "community" before the Invisble Hand bullshit. You're holding some fairy tale Free Market idea above human decency.
We have different ideals. Yours is Randian, ours is a wee more altruistic.
[–]itsfineitsgreat -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)
lmao, you're in college, aren't you?
Nope! College was decades ago for me, chief. I'm old enough to have grown past the grimdark living 90s comic book attitude you're stuck in.
[–]itsfineitsgreat -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 2時間前 (0子コメント)
That's so outrageously sad.
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