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[–]DeltaBlack 1527ポイント1528ポイント  (540子コメント)

This is actually a crime in Germany and he could have gone to prison for 3 years.

EDIT: It's been pointed out that he is likely to be fined and that 3 years are usually for repeat offenders like neo-nazis.

[–]AcuteAppendagitis 92ポイント93ポイント  (15子コメント)

Unless you are using it for art, or parody.

[–]DeltaBlack 54ポイント55ポイント  (5子コメント)

... or as part of an anti-facist symbol1 or for educational purposes.

1 Yes technically art, but that's also a political statement.

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    [–]NorthtoYukon 421ポイント422ポイント  (450子コメント)

    seriously?

    [–]DeltaBlack 553ポイント554ポイント  (147子コメント)

    Jep according to this imgur post he was arrested:

    http://imgur.com/gallery/HEYjqmr

    According to this Bild-article he was just charged (German link):

    http://www.bild.de/news/inland/adolf-hitler/hier-baendigt-ein-polizist-einen-hitlergruss-affen-42030530.bild.html

    EDIT: To add there is the German Strafgesetzbuch section 86a and in Austria the Verbotsgesetz.

    [–]sharktank 186ポイント187ポイント  (127子コメント)

    hmmmm, ya got any more of those...translations?

    [–]DeltaBlack 172ポイント173ポイント  (88子コメント)

    The article doesn't say much it's only 10 or so sentences.

    There was a demonstration for the rights of refugees he "greeted" that way. The cop in the picture was part of the detail securing the demonstration. He obviously presses the man's arm down and explains the legal situation.

    The man is a 57-year-old retiree from Freital in Saxony. The article points out that he used to be a miner from the former DDR (Eastern Germany).

    The police man took his information and he is going to be charged under the Strafgesetzbuch section 86a. No mention of an arrest.

    [–]CookieDoughCooter 38ポイント39ポイント  (62子コメント)

    How does a miner retire at the young age of 57? Hard to believe they have saved up enough to live off of. Maybe he couldn't mine anymore, but I figure he'd need to do something to sustain himself.

    [–]shallow- 110ポイント111ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Germany has a well funded social services system and pension system.

    They have three layers of pension, one layer provided by the government, one by the employer, and a personal fund.

    [–]ChieferSutherland 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Bismarck practically invented the modern welfare state so it's a pretty deeply ingrained part of German culture

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      [–]RandPaulsBrilloBalls 78ポイント79ポイント  (23子コメント)

      Pensions, baby. The United States is one of the few first world countries that got rid of pensions. Companies used to give you those for working there a long time. It made employees loyal and retirement decent and reasonable. Then they replaced them all with 401(k)s, which are actually named after a loophole in the 1978 tax code that was never meant to be used as a retirement system for the masses. Now you need to save until you're 70 and hope for the best.

      The funny thing is that few people realize that the most popular retirement savings vehicle in the United States was not legislated or discussed on the floor of Congress, but rather an accident of a 1978 law that a benefits consultant figured out could be exploited in 1980. And nobody has done anything to fix it since.

      [–]dontgive_afuck [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      No shit?? Goddamnit, TIL.

      [–]jlablah [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

      Not only do Americans not have pensions, financial interests rob their of their savings via 401k.

      [–]greygringo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      how do you figure? mine has grown 6-15% annually for the past 10 years or so. Unless you're taking early distributions and incurring the associated tax penalties with those early withdrawals, you're not getting robbed in your 401(k) and if you are, you're robbing yourself.

      [–]synpse [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Let's just invest that $20 for ya... ...and it's gone!

      *South Park

      [–]DilapidatedTittiesLL [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I started working for my current employer in 2003. I have a pension and a 401(k). If I retire after 20 years of service I also get to stay on the medical plan. I realise this is not the norm, but they are still out there. You just need to be marketable and picky about who you work for.

      It also helps if your employer is not publicly traded. Wall Street likes to see a growth in profit every quarter, and this can put pressure on those big long term liabilities like pensions.

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          [–]Hamilton5M 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Son, there's no old miners.

          [–]DeltaBlack 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Probably some sort of disability retirement, mining is a rather strenuous job.

          [–]DeckerR 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Mining is good money. As it should be.

          [–]OhIamNotADoctor [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

          Miners in Australia make $200,000+ per year easy.
          Base wage for a skilled trade is usually $40 - $60 per hour
          Specialist trades start seeing $100+ per hour.

          On saturdays and sundays you get paid double your wage per hour. You work usually 10 - 12 hour days, every hour after the 8th hour is paid at 1.5 time the base rate for the first two hours. Every hour after that is paid at 2 times the base rat. You work for 3 - 4 weeks straight, then have a week off at home, then do it again.

          Now throw on top you daily allowance of $45 (that's just for waking up and geeting out of bed) then your site allowance of an extra $5 - $10 per hour. Then a tool allowance to ensure you maintain your tools. You also get paid PIP, which is like a redundancy plan, after a 5 year project some miners walk away with an extra $150,000 pay out at the end of the job.

          So 5 x $200,000 + $150,000, you can easily retire. too bad most FIFO workers here blow it on cars boats and strippers.

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            [–]Drev0008 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

            They should have arrested young smokie there for rockin' that haircut.

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              [–]StrikeAnywherePanda 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I took German in high school...

              ...so yeah... I don't know.

              [–]linesreadlines[S] 62ポイント63ポイント  (30子コメント)

              http://i.imgur.com/NRkervo.jpg

              [–]Deus_ 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

              What's with all the Nazi/Germany content on your hands?

              [–]accountname900 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

              He is an extreme German nationalist and coming pretty close to neo-nazi territory.

              [–]Stygma 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I am Jack's raging bile duct.

              [–]MrGerbz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Well you're definitely not Jack's originality.

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                [–]dainternets 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Here tames a policeman a Hitler salute monkeys

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                  [–]harvestah 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  When Bild calls you an ape you know you've fallen hard...

                  [–]jlablah [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  verboten

                  [–]JediNewb [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                  "First they raise me to hate jews.... now they tell me to love gays... I'm leaving this country damn it!"

                  That's what I imagine is going through his poor brainwashed brain.

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                    [–]5thStrangeIteration 182ポイント183ポイント  (71子コメント)

                    I mean, if your country was responsible for something that bad less than 100 years ago and the new people in charge want to be a modern first world country, I can see them being like "guys, nobody fucking do anything related to that fucking shit ever again."

                    [–]tomanonimos 32ポイント33ポイント  (59子コメント)

                    Yea its a geographic type of situation. As an American I would be pissed if this happened in the States.

                    [–]_unforgiven_ 101ポイント102ポイント  (56子コメント)

                    Yada yada yada confederate flag.

                    [–]FirstRyder 107ポイント108ポイント  (23子コメント)

                    The confederate flag is no longer flown on the South Carolina state capital building, and some retailers no longer sell it.

                    But you don't go to jail for 3 years for flying it. In fact, it isn't a crime at all.

                    [–]untrustableskeptic 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    I've seen quite a few more around since that happened. Good ol boys rebelling.

                    [–]hipster3000 39ポイント40ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    Which I think is the way it should be.

                    [–]fondledbydolphins 22ポイント23ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    I had to go looking for quite a while for this, but it's a really unkown part of law in this country, but reddit seems to like it.

                    And no, I don't support the people who fly the confederate flag or the people who hate gays... or anything of the like. I do however support their right to have that opinion if they do so in a non-violent way.

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                            [–]AbleWyattMann 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            Yep in parts of Europe it's also illegal to speak ill or doubt the holocaust.

                            [–]JohnCoffee23 139ポイント140ポイント  (219子コメント)

                            MFW europeans actively mock America because it's not actually "Free" and then this happens.

                            Edit: it seems as though some Euros are salty about my comment, i apologize and offer you consolation

                            [–]kuikka3 267ポイント268ポイント  (97子コメント)

                            Well, the police didn't shoot him...

                            [–]Staeff 31ポイント32ポイント  (30子コメント)

                            I hope you realize that you are only free to do what you want in the USA and anywhere else in the world until you break the law, the same way you can't go around and rob a store you are not allowed to use nazi symbols or hate speech against races in germany by the law, so you have to deal with it, which in my opinion is actually not that stupid given where it has lead to in the past.

                            [–]GenericUsername16 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                            How about we all just agree that the country that one by chance happened to have been born in is the bestest, most awesomest country ever!?

                            And that, by extension, someone born in that country must be pretty great, and can deservedly feel superior to people not living in the same place as them?

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                                [–]Geofferic 78ポイント79ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                Indeed.

                                About 10 years ago I was in Berlin for uni (my mom is German, I was raised in the US) and I was pretty plastered on the train with a buddy (we were in law school).

                                I started singing what I thought was still the German National Anthem.

                                Apparently, only the third stanza is now used, but for about 15 seconds before my friend told me to shut-up and explained the situation, I was terrorizing some people on the train with my rather loud, large, drunk and very Aryan self belting out

                                Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, Über alles in der Welt, Wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze Brüderlich zusammenhält. Von der Maas bis an die Memel, Von der Etsch bis an den Belt ...

                                For context for those who don't understand why the first stanza is particularly troubling (other than "Germany above everything in the world"), the Maas is a river in Belgium (not in modern Germany), the Memel is a river past Poland in Lithuania and Belarus, the Etsch is a river in Italy, and the Belt is a strait between some German and Danish islands (and the only legit border of modern Germany in the song). So in other words, a modern person singing the song is essentially saying that these are the border Germany should have.

                                Yanno. To have a little ... living space.

                                [–]Rarehero [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                                You have to understand the historical context. Originally "Deutschland über alles in der Welt" didn't mean to imply that Germany is greater than every other nation. Before 1872 Germany was lose collection of individual countries. That particular line expresses the wish that these countries should be united into a single German state. It was about untity and not supermacy.

                                Furthermore back then the German countries covered a territory that actually stretched roughly from the Masse to the Memel and from the Belt to the Etsch. So naturally when the 19th century were talking about Germany, they were talking about that territory.

                                Of course due to certain events that I have heard of on the History Channel the third stanza of the "Deutschlandlied" has different flavor today. It is easy to misinterpret the text as a wish for supremacy, and for some reason the Poles don't take it lightly when certain people talk about historical German borders in Eastern Europe.

                                [–]Leo_Verto [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                Well, the lyrics of the "Deuschlandlied" were originally not meant in the way that Germany would be better than other states, but that the idea of a unified Germany should be furthered instead of many small, mostly insignificant states.

                                The bordering rivers aren't actually that far off when you look at this map (for non-German speakers, German was the prevalent language in the green area).

                                As for modern people singing that song, certainly troubling. Unfortunately neo nazis have that tendency to ruin certain songs for everyone else.

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                                  [–]linesreadlines[S] 96ポイント97ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                  he could have gone to prison for 3 years.

                                  While Nazi symbology outside of artistic or educational work is illegal in Germany, its extremely rare that prison sentences are handed out. That clause exists to punish far right neo nazi groups who leave behind nazi symbology at crime scenes, it wouldn't be applied to regular citizens. At worst he'll get a fine.

                                  [–]DeltaBlack 23ポイント24ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                  Which makes it more likely that he was only charged and not arrested. It's no use to arrest someone for something that'll end in a fine.

                                  [–]SonnyLove 14ポイント15ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                  It definitely is. At least here in America. That way they can tack on their court costs and jail booking fees. Take you downtown, get your prints on the books.

                                  [–]DeltaBlack 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  I think in Austria and Germany you're not arrested for minor crimes where the minimum sentence is a fine unless you're a disruption or worse.

                                  It's basically unfair to put someone in jail for a month awaiting trial, when he would get two weeks in prison.

                                  [–]McDaioh 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  so, its basically just a walking ticket, thats a pretty smart idea to cut down administrative costs on fines.

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                                      [–]GreyscaleCheese 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Yeah, so sad that he can't heil hitler. What a German problem!

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                                        [–]HornAndDrunky 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        I wonder if they have a secret police force that goes out and hunts all the neo-nazis. That would be terribly ironic on so many levels.

                                        [–]seewolfmdk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                        Yes, kind of. There are the "Bundesverfassungsschutz" and in most states there are a "Landesverfassungsschutz". The are comparable to the NSA and the FBI, like a mix of them.

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                                          [–]my_name_is_gato 409ポイント410ポイント  (37子コメント)

                                          Have you seen Kyle? Seen Kyle? He is about this tall...

                                          [–]linesreadlines[S] 201ポイント202ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                          German team comes out at the Olympic opening ceremony

                                          That feel when the German team comes out to this song in the next World Cup in Russia

                                          [–]Gtownbadass 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          The sun is bright!

                                          [–]StoneyLepi 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          ...and went that way

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                                            [–]_morganspurlock 272ポイント273ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                            Are bowl cuts making a come back?

                                            [–]high_side 165ポイント166ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                            Right? This is the real problem.

                                            [–]sincerelyryan 24ポイント25ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                            I think every guy in their 20's-30's has a photo of them with this haircut that they'd like to burn.

                                            [–]Obsidian_monkey 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            The undercut is just an Illuminati conspiracy to bring back the bowl cut.

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                                              [–]TURBOJUGGED 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              I prefer the term mushroom cut

                                              [–]Empire_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                              bowl cuts never disappeared from germany. They are pretty good at fucking up their hair. Such as mullets and rat tail.

                                              [–]nutcrackr 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              He looks like ewan mcgregor in the second picture.

                                              [–]leshake [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                              I don't think they ever went out of style in Germany.

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                                                [–]likwitsnake 1581ポイント1582ポイント  (571子コメント)

                                                http://i.imgur.com/WUj9S7s.jpg

                                                [–]goatcoat 852ポイント853ポイント  (461子コメント)

                                                The context lower down is that the guy actually was giving the Nazi salute to a group of protesters he was trying to anger. Nevertheless, I believe in freedom of speech--not the freedom granted to people in the US by the US constitution, but the inalienable human right that inspired people to write the first amendment in the first place. He should be able to give his shitty salute all day long.

                                                [–]SirMildredPierce 168ポイント169ポイント  (69子コメント)

                                                I believe in freedom of speech--not the freedom granted to people in the US by the US constitution, but the inalienable human right that inspired people to write the first amendment in the first place.

                                                You'll be happy to know that those guys who wrote the first amendment agree with you. The amendment doesn't grant rights, and it certainly doesn't grant them to just Americans. It prevents the government from restricting those rights. The language is very clear on that. It is very obvious, when you read those amendments, that they believed that the rights came from somewhere else other than just a document.

                                                [–]Frog_Todd 99ポイント100ポイント  (63子コメント)

                                                I wish more people understood this. The government doesn't grant rights, it recognizes the rights we have simply because we are human.

                                                [–]PleaseBmoreCharming 55ポイント56ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                Yeah, that's the "inalienable human right" part that people tend to misinterpret.

                                                [–]destroyerofjokes 18ポイント19ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                                You have exactly as many rights as society decides you should have, and only while it's convenient. Native and Black Americans didn't have those rights for the majority of America's history, and Japanese American's had them taken away during WW2. That couldn't happen if they were innate or inalienable.

                                                [–]Frog_Todd 15ポイント16ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                I disagree. The fact that I as a private citizen could shoot someone doesn't mean that someone else doesn't have the right to life, it means that I violated that right. No different than a government. The logical conclusion of this is that the US government didn't do anything wrong, didn't violate any rights in their actions previously.

                                                Just because it was an officially sanctioned violation of rights doesn't make it any less a violation of rights.

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                                                      [–]drinkonlyscotch 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      the freedom granted to people in the US by the US constitution

                                                      The constitution doesn't grant freedom — it prohibits the state from intruding upon it.

                                                      [–]flippersforducks 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      Ironically, one of the critiques of the bill of rights by Federalists in the period of time when the Constitution was being written was that there was no need to enumerate the specific inalienable rights that the government had no right to infringe upon, e.g. freedom of speech, because it was implicit in the fact that the Constitution creates a government of limited powers, with all remaining authority left with the state and the people from whom that authority is derived.

                                                      In other words, the freedom of speech in the constitution is the same as the inalienable human right.

                                                      [–]linesreadlines[S] 594ポイント595ポイント  (178子コメント)

                                                      Yes, one of the worst things about modern liberal society is the thoughcrime mentality...even here on Reddit

                                                      [USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST]

                                                      [–]NoblePineapples 140ポイント141ポイント  (35子コメント)

                                                      Soo.. lynch the mods?

                                                      [–]esuohe 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      As is tradition

                                                      [–]hiphopapotamus1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                      What a great day for Reddit and therefore the world.

                                                      [–]safariG 110ポイント111ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                                      So...blame Ellen Pao/admins too?

                                                      Edit: and Obama

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                                                        [–]everythingisarepost 16ポイント17ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                                        I am so fucking curious to know what happened. I even attempted to ask why through a post but obviously it didn't have a year on it so it was taken down. Idk man. Documentaries has gone to shit.

                                                        [–]linesreadlines[S] 86ポイント87ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                        I am so fucking curious to know what happened.

                                                        http://i.imgur.com/KQdQvfP.gif

                                                        [–]masheo 13ポイント14ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                        Basically Israel was under attack from multiple Arab nations, one of them being Egypt, who were and still are a close ally of the United States of America. Long story short the Israelis attempted to blow the USS Liberty out of the water. Two theories at why are a.) oh shit wrong ship b.) The U.S. may or may not have been providing intelligence to the Egyptians and the Israelis did not take kindly to that.

                                                        [–]Iam_TheHegemon 28ポイント29ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                        The third theory being that it was a false flag operation they were going to try to pin on the Egyptians to draw America into things.

                                                        [–]kromozone 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        These guys showed up - https://i.imgur.com/iBxe0j8.png

                                                        Mass reporting spam until the mods just deleted everything.

                                                        [–]Tb0n3 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                        Something something jews and 9/11.

                                                        [–]RIP_BerthaChampagne 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        It's crazy to think all jews were behind 911. It was Mossad.

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                                                          [–]cc81 103ポイント104ポイント  (74子コメント)

                                                          I think entitlement is a bigger problem with modern society. People think that the world not only need to hear what they say but that they have the right to say those things on other peoples platform. It is like whining that you cannot talk about fishing on a hockey forum.

                                                          Create your own forum.

                                                          [–]Mazon_Del 75ポイント76ポイント  (41子コメント)

                                                          My social group is currently dealing with a guy that read some book about spreading awareness of social problems. It basically says that people won't pay attention, so you need to force them to. Any public place (IE: Any location that isn't invite only) can and SHOULD be used at every opportunity to make people converse about these issues so that we can finally talk about them and fix them. If anybody (such as a moderator....or the person running a kickstarter that has nothing to do with your issue) tries to stop you, they are literally as bad as Hitler and should be treated as such.

                                                          So basically he's showing up to all of our standard social events (gaming on Thursdays, movies on Tuesdays, etc) and trying to make people talk about a variety of topics, such as "We should ban Kickstarter because they allowed someone who made material harmful to sex workers to have a Kickstarter, and thus they condone and endorse such actions!", etc etc. When you say "Steve (not his name), we are playing a game of Battlestar Galactica, this is not the time or place for this conversation." he goes ballistic.

                                                          It is not going terribly well.

                                                          [–]You-Are-Really-Dumb 110ポイント111ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                          Maybe he's just mad that you call him Steve instead of his real name.

                                                          [–]sterreg 42ポイント43ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                          Honestly, why the hell do y'all keep inviting him? Tell him he's being an annoying cunt, and that he's not welcome until he stops trying to hijack y'all's get togethers for his own bullshit.

                                                          [–]Mazon_Del 24ポイント25ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                          It's not a closed event. It is held in a public space at the college and in an unreservable area (but public, as we like walk-ins), meaning we have no authority to have campus police remove him unless he actually begins doing things that break the rules of the area.

                                                          As far as the rest of it, we pretty much have been. What is the most annoying thing about the whole bullshit is he's recently said "I've tried the whole facebook, G+, etc setup. No reposts, no +1s, nothing. Since my damn friends have failed me, I have to go to the friends of my friends." And so he's started trying to find people we are connected to on social sites to start throwing info at.

                                                          Some have been considering going through the school harassment reporting process.

                                                          [–]Azzmo 21ポイント22ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                          "Steve. Look. We're all very aware that you read a book and believe in the message but none of us do. And we won't. We're here to have fun and enjoy our lives. It's awesome that you're passionate about making the world a better place, but what you're actually doing is making it worse for all of us. We're here to have fun together and forget our troubles for a while. We're making the world a better place through happiness and what you've been doing is making us not want you around anymore."

                                                          Drop that on him.

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                                                              [–]Wonderingperson 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                              Well, he sounds like a social reject, don't get me wrong i'm trying to say this in the nicest way, but tell him to fuck off if he's doing this.

                                                              [–]Caelinus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              It honestly might be the best option for him as well. He is smothering his own message in the noise.

                                                              Social norms may be somewhat arbitrary and stupid from the outside, but in that society they may as well be law. And in order to convince anyone of anything you need to play the game well. He needs to know that if he actually cares about his causes.

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                                                                [–]paper_liger 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                If he wants to act childishly give him a time out. Tell him the next time he starts spouting non sequiters he gets a week off from your social gatherings. Escalate the punishment.

                                                                Social gatherings aren't just forums for debate, they have actual functions, and if he tries to continue to subvert time you've set aside for socializing or relaxation or leisure he's no helping anyone, he's putting his own will above the groups, and the group should take steps.

                                                                Long story short, it's not your lack of concern for social issues, it's his selfishness that is the problem.

                                                                [–]blarg_dunsen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                Get everyone to stop what they are doing whenever Steve enters and just start making chicken noises. Keep doing this vigorously until he leaves.

                                                                Do not let up, do not feel sorry for him. If everyone joins in and keeps at it, it would take maybe 2 or 3 times before he moves on.

                                                                Also encourage everyone to block him on social media. If he can't see you he can't see your contacts.

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                                                                  [–]speaksthetruthalways 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                  they have the right to say those things on other peoples platform

                                                                  You LITERALLY just described the whole modus operandi of Reddit.

                                                                  It is like whining that you cannot talk about fishing on a hockey forum.

                                                                  That's not what a lack of free speech is at all. Reddit isn't dedicated to one subject.

                                                                  [–]butheactuallydoes 25ポイント26ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                  Create your own forum.

                                                                  http://i.imgur.com/z9Il6Mp.jpg

                                                                  [–]cc81 22ポイント23ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                  But I strongly believe in it. That is why I say people should start their own forums!

                                                                  I don't believe in silencing or forcing people on the Internet and therefore it would be wrong to force reddit to accept content they don't want.

                                                                  [–]huge_hefner 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                  There's no arguing that Reddit doesn't have the right to decide what content appears on its site, but I think the general "start your own forum" mentality is dangerous. It's exactly what herds people into polarizing, comfortable echo chambers in which they will never be challenged with other opinions (or reasonably explained versions thereof) or information that doesn't fit their subscribed narrative.

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                                                                        [–]Spacecoyote123 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        George Orwell would be impressed by this.

                                                                        [–]EatDonutsGetFat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        I would have thought especially here on reddit

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                                                                          [–]DeltaBlack 18ポイント19ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                                                          It's a result of the Allies demand of Denazification from Germany and Austria after WW2, so that's really ironic.

                                                                          [–]Big_Baby_Jesus_ 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                          Germany has been a sovereign democracy for a while now. They're responsible for their own laws.

                                                                          [–]jheohdgs 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          Frankly, after World War II I don't think the US was too terribly concerned for the civil liberties of Germans, just so long as they were strong enough to resist the USSR, firmly in the Western camp, and kicked the pesky genocidal habits

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                                                                            [–]Bickus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            I think the US and Germany can deal with respective demons as each sees fit.

                                                                            [–]newtizzle 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            I agree with you, but I also see why they arrest you for this. The entire world hated the fuck out of them because of what they did. They are doing their best to distance themselves from their past when they almost wiped an entire race of the planet.

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                                                                              [–]l0calher0 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                              I like the mini confederate flags on America.

                                                                              [–]dog_in_the_vent 26ポイント27ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                              The Hitler salute is not a symbol of German pride.

                                                                              [–]TheTrueFlexKavana 22ポイント23ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                              Your post inspired me to further research German nationalism and when I googled it I found this image.

                                                                              It only goes up to 1850, but I'm excited to see what the future holds for German nationalism!

                                                                              [–]DeltaBlack 19ポイント20ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                              Germany is the youngest of the more powerful nations in Europe.

                                                                              At the beginning of the 20th century, the major powers in Europe were Austria, Great Britain, France, Italy, Russia and Germany, Most of them had been existing in similar forms for a few centuries, while Germany was "just" about 150-170 30 years old.

                                                                              If you go by the earliest roots, then there are still a couple of centuries difference.

                                                                              Germany is actually younger than the US as a concept.

                                                                              EDIT: Correction about the age as /u/willmaster123 correctly pointed out my mistake.

                                                                              [–]PM_Tits_Ladies 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                              Well the concept of a German state has been around since at least medieval times, since there have been German peoples for a long time but there was never a centralized government to rule over the German people (The Holy Roman Empire was the closest).

                                                                              [–]Wizzad 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              The full name was The Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation.

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                                                                                [–]Cambridge_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                Italy is younger than the US as well.

                                                                                [–]DeltaBlack 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                I may have made a mistake with Italy, which I think was unified by Garibaldi.

                                                                                Please consider that I am only typing this off the top of my head without any googling.

                                                                                https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/3foogk/german_problems/ctqp18h

                                                                                ;)

                                                                                Yes I forgot about Garibaldi and his red shirts.

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                                                                                      [–]linesreadlines[S] 86ポイント87ポイント  (59子コメント)

                                                                                      http://i.imgur.com/7ZtJIb0.png

                                                                                      World's leading exporter with one of the most prosperous high tech manufacturing economies, high social welfare, high human development, excellent education and scientific development, leading political role in Europe, voted most popular country in the world, makes the best cars, best engineering, best beer and best football teams.

                                                                                      My face when Germany is Weltmeister of Everything, rest of the world are you even trying?

                                                                                      [–]brampel 45ポイント46ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                      not best csgo

                                                                                      [–]Acoustics1001 144ポイント145ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                                                      Don't forget two-time World War runner-up

                                                                                      [–]Fionnlagh 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      Uh oh, someone get the hose, the Germans are being nationalistic again.

                                                                                      [–]grimm22 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                      I'd love to live in Germany for a few years, but I don't know if i'm good enough at Simulator games to fit in.

                                                                                      [–]spaceturtle1 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                      Fellow German here. Your comments make me believe you have serious case of Nationalism. Chill out.

                                                                                      "You take pride in accomplishments you had no part in"

                                                                                      [–]ColdFire86 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      Yes! Yes! Glory to Prussia!

                                                                                      Heil dir im siegerkranz

                                                                                      [–]MastaClar 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                      Jeez, that's /r/murica level of nationalism.

                                                                                      Most of the "high" examples are good, but the "best" ones are all subjective or debatable.

                                                                                      I hope you know that how you come off is how people view nationalist/"american exceptionalism" americans.

                                                                                      [–]Peezy 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      Not the best beer, nope.

                                                                                      [–]iwillneverpresident 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      Belgian beer 4ever!

                                                                                      [–]wyvernx02 16ポイント17ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                      and best football teams.

                                                                                      Men's, yes. Women's, no.

                                                                                      [–]jge333 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      World's leading exporter? Are we talking about China?

                                                                                      [–]GreyscaleCheese 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      So, you're a bitter German. Makes sense

                                                                                      [–]Pol_Pots_Crockpot [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      Geez kill a few million Jews one second and the next you're invited to aaaaaalll the parties.

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                                                                                          [–]Pryvete 49ポイント50ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                          Why is that guy in riot gear?

                                                                                          [–]MarlborosandCoke 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          He was part of a squad that was there to monitor a protest against refugees that was going on. The saluter was making it towards that protest group.

                                                                                          [–]noxlius 27ポイント28ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                          there was a small demonstration there in the area, so prob police were watching out.

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                                                                                            [–]mealzer 119ポイント120ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                            Did anyone else think the guy on the left was a child at first because of his haircut? I didn't even realize he was an adult until I looked at the second picture.

                                                                                            In my opinion the wrong man was arrested... That haircut is the real crime here.

                                                                                            [–]MakhnoYouDidnt 92ポイント93ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                            "Gimme that school shooter look"

                                                                                            "Say no more fam"

                                                                                            [–]Django_Unchanged 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            Oh, look at that kid. Hmm, is that kid smoking? What the fuck, that's a man!

                                                                                            [–]cloveronover 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            I thought it was the guy's wife. I stand corrected—and may need corrective lenses. Still a terrible haircut for man, woman, or beast.

                                                                                            [–]Django_Unchanged 128ポイント129ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                                            That shit is no joke there. Gestures like this or spray painting swastikas will get you in some serious trouble.

                                                                                            [–]dablumoon 23ポイント24ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                                            Can I ask you something about this? I remember watching a documentary clip about Neo-Nazis almost getting into fight with antifascists who were protesting in some town in Germany. The police (in green) was there to separate the two sides and make sure no physical contact was made.

                                                                                            These Neo-Nazis had their own bar and had flags, shirts, tattoos etc relating to Nazism. So how come they're not arrested or banned in this case? This always confused me.

                                                                                            EDIT: For anyone wondering, thanks to some helpful people who replied to my comment- I have found out that loose references (no direct Nazi symbols etc) is not enough to get one arrested. So most of these far right/ Neo Nazis in Germany wear black, shave their heads, and have ominous symbols (that looks like Nazi stuff at first glance) here and there to reference Nazism, but do not flaunt actual Nazi symbols in order to avoid arrest. TIL.

                                                                                            [–]hassface 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                            Because not everything is forbidden in germany, have a read:

                                                                                            http://understandinggermany.de/society/tainted-words-and-symbols/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a

                                                                                            I seriously doubt there were people with actual forbidden symbols in a bar with the police knowing about it.

                                                                                            [–]Django_Unchanged 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                            Was it that the they just hadn't been arrested yet? Perhaps there are loopholes? Couldn't say for sure.

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                                                                                                [–]ForgettableUsername 74ポイント75ポイント  (30子コメント)

                                                                                                "Zeig Hei--"

                                                                                                "No. You shouldn't do that."

                                                                                                [–]alekzander01 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                zeig

                                                                                                ಠ_ಠ

                                                                                                The Grammar & spelling Gestapo is coming, I suggest you run.

                                                                                                [–]Tb0n3 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                More like "report to reeducation offices immediately."

                                                                                                [–]wolfmann 16ポイント17ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                                                                                Sieg Heil... means holy victory.

                                                                                                [–]krutopatkin 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                Heil is a greeting in this context. (basically hail)

                                                                                                [–]Wizzad 13ポイント14ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                                More like hail victory or to victory.

                                                                                                [–]Spitzenhund 20ポイント21ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                                For other needless German translations:

                                                                                                Ja = Yes

                                                                                                Hallo = Hello

                                                                                                Nein = No

                                                                                                Auf Wiedersehen = Good Bye

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                                                                                                  [–]v_e_x [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                  Meanwhile in 1945:

                                                                                                  http://i.imgur.com/AsdTcdD.jpg

                                                                                                  [–]TorontoAnnex 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                  There are my friends Ezekiel and Kyle

                                                                                                  Zeek , Kyle !! Zeek , Kyle !!

                                                                                                  [–]I_Burned_The_Lasagna 22ポイント23ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                                  So this happened in Freital, Germany. A retiree did the hitler salute to a group of protesters against refugees to show his support.

                                                                                                  He didn't notice the Police man behind him and he immediately stopped him. Now the hitler salute is strictly forbidden in Germany and he could now be facing 3 years of jail time.

                                                                                                  His charge is called "Verwenden von Kennzeichen verfassungswidriger Organisationen" which roughly translates to use of signs of unconstituional organisations.

                                                                                                  According to /u/frailty over here.

                                                                                                  [–]emp_starslayer_09 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                  nsdap in saxony. who, who could have predicted this?

                                                                                                  [–]alekzander01 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                  Serious question: why are the ex communist states (as in within a country state, not whole countries) have so much more Neo nazis? Wouldn't the communists have stomped them out (Repeatedly)?

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                                                                                                    [–]sharktank 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                    it just won't stop doing that

                                                                                                    [–]tinyweinr 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                    Video not available :(

                                                                                                    [–]sharktank 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                    really? it works for me even when i sign out of google...don't know why it's not working.

                                                                                                    anyways its the clip from Dr Strangelove when his alien hand keeps making the nazi salute

                                                                                                    [–]donquixote235 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                    Prior to WW2 this is how US children would salute the flag. Needless to say it went out of vogue...

                                                                                                    [–]GregEdge 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                    The real problem is that dude is still rocking a bowl cut 20 years later.

                                                                                                    [–]aaronmfraser 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                    Heh, Guy looks like William H Macy

                                                                                                    [–]Metaphoricalsimile 67ポイント68ポイント  (46子コメント)

                                                                                                    I feel like I'm the only person here who has absolutely no fucking problem with Germany prohibiting Nazi salutes/iconography/speech/etc.

                                                                                                    Like, holy shit yeah if you murder 12 million people maybe you shouldn't get to promote that ideology in the civilized world any more.

                                                                                                    [–]alekzander01 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                    Don't forget the whole thing where Nazis totally suppressed any freedom of speech after abusing it to get to power.

                                                                                                    But the moment they get kicked off their high chair they try and act like they are the free speech supporters and have the moral high ground....

                                                                                                    [–]Scoops1 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                    Thank. You.

                                                                                                    I don't understand the sympathy for the "free speech" of a hate mongering neo-nazi.

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                                                                                                      [–]tucci007 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      for some reason, I want to go watch Dumb & Dumber now.

                                                                                                      [–]Raysor 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                      I know, what is up with that guys haircut. It's not 1997.

                                                                                                      [–]margenfeld [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                      This picture makes me proud being a german actually. The officer handled the situation absolutely right. This is my country!

                                                                                                      [–]datboigucci 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                      That cop looks like Steve Carell

                                                                                                      [–]Omega_Hertz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      Guy on the far right giving zero fucks.

                                                                                                      [–]soylent_me [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      Aw, heil no!

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