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[–]DeltaBlack 1198ポイント1199ポイント  (179子コメント)

This is actually a crime in Germany and he could have gone to prison for 3 years.

EDIT: It's been pointed out that he is likely to be fined and that 3 years are usually for repeat offenders like neo-nazis.

[–]NorthtoYukon 380ポイント381ポイント  (178子コメント)

seriously?

[–]JohnCoffee23 131ポイント132ポイント  (177子コメント)

MFW europeans actively mock America because it's not actually "Free" and then this happens.

Edit: it seems as though some Euros are salty about my comment, i apologize and offer you consolation

[–]kuikka3 216ポイント217ポイント  (78子コメント)

Well, the police didn't shoot him...

[–]linesreadlines[S] 232ポイント233ポイント  (9子コメント)

http://i.imgur.com/ImV8YAz.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dYrckWo.png

[–]Vik1ng [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vBVAXA5_iw

[–]bitchdantkillmyvibe [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Fuck that first one sent me into coughing fit, I have a chest infection. Thanks.

[–]AnOnlineHandle [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Your comment sent me into a coughing fit, and I have a slight chest infection. No kidding.

[–]bilog78 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is the first time I hear of a coughing fit causing a chest infection.

[–]Meleagros [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's my god damn American right to be fucking shot. God damn Euros trying to take away my damn rights!!! How the fuck am I supposed to earn my street cred?

[–]lonelyboyonreddit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

it's like I really am on /int/

[–]SeanMegaByte [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Yeah, I was onboard right up until the "Jewnight Show". Making a post in solidarity with your fellow aryan in the picture?

[–]randomfact8472 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Lmfao. Always funny to see someone miss the mark.

[–]kccc33 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

that's the part of the show panel you find offensive?

i mean to get offended at any of it makes you a prude, but that part?

[–]Dwood15 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well that's actually a statistically rare occurrence compared to EU's Free Speech problems (Germany's in particular)

[–]t_hab [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Who wants to live in a country where the police don't have the freedom to shoot citizens?

[–]Redrum714 7ポイント8ポイント  (34子コメント)

When has someone been shot by the police in America for using free speech?

[–]biskino [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You mean like Kent State?

[–]Hypoallergenic_Robot 12ポイント13ポイント  (12子コメント)

No you're right, that's just reserved for when your hands are up or your running away.

[–]jubbergun [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

that's just reserved for when your hands are up

"Hands up, don't shoot" is a lie:

What DOJ found made me ill. Wilson knew about the theft of the cigarillos from the convenience store and had a description of the suspects. Brown fought with the officer and tried to take his gun. And the popular hands-up storyline, which isn’t corroborated by ballistic and DNA evidence and multiple witness statements, was perpetuated by Witness 101. In fact, just about everything said to the media by Witness 101, whom we all know as Dorian Johnson, the friend with Brown that day, was not supported by the evidence and other witness statements.

I think the out-of-control nature of police in our country is bad enough that actual evidence of it suffices to make the point without lying about Michael Brown. Michael Brown robbed a store and attacked a police officer. He wasn't trying to run away, he was trying to take the officer's gun. The argument is better served focusing on cases like the death of Eric Garner or the shooting of Walter Scott and forgetting the debacle that is Ferguson.

[–]t_hab [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Maybe he was talking about John Geer?

[–]reddelicious77 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Well hold on now, Brown may have been a dipshit and an asshole for shoplifting and hitting a cop prior - but when he was shot, he was completely unarmed, and outside of arm's reach of the cop - and sure he may have been charging him, but he did not deserve to die.

If a cop is afraid of a charging unarmed teenager, he shouldn't be a cop.

[–]Meleagros [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As a human, if someone tried taking my gun to shoot/kill me with it I think all bets are off.

The second you go for a cop's gun, you're done. Don't do stupid shit like that.

[–]jubbergun [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

when he was shot, he was completely unarmed, and outside of arm's reach of the cop

One of the things I remember from my military training is that anyone within 21 feet of you is close enough to close the distance and put you at risk. Even if you don't hesitate, and your aim is perfect, you will be lucky if you hit any potential attacker coming at you from that distance. "Arms reach" is a silly metric when you're talking about a physical confrontation involving firearms.

when he was shot, he was completely unarmed

Unarmed is not a euphemism for "harmless," especially when you're dealing with an individual who has already hit you and attempted to take your weapon.

sure he may have been charging him, but he did not deserve to die.

While I agree with you that Brown did not deserve to die (who does?), his choices that day led to the events that transpired. I'm sure everyone, especially Darren Wilson, wishes none of that had ever happened and that Michael Brown was alive today.

If a cop is afraid of a charging unarmed teenager, he shouldn't be a cop.

Again, unarmed is not a euphemism for harmless, and Michael Brown was not some lanky 15 year old. He was 18 years old which means he was an adult. The "teenager" description in this case is only being used to give the impression of policemen shooting children. Michael Brown was also 6’4” tall and weighed over 250 pounds, which is larger than average for most men in the United States. Don't try to use semantics to make it sound like Michael Brown was some small, harmless little kid. He wasn't. He was a grown man.

[–]TheGhostofWoodyAllen [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Did his comment trigger you? Cause that's a hell of a specific response to a broad-ass statement.

[–]SirSoliloquy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Well, the "hands up" thing was heavily pushed as what happened in the Michael Brown case, so it's not too much of a stretch that he would assume that's what /u/Hypoallergenic_Robot was talking about.

That said, there are plenty of instances of police killing unarmed civilians who are running away, so it's still a major issue.

[–]TheGhostofWoodyAllen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I see. The fact /u/Hypoallergenic_Robot also said "or running away" I guess made me think he was talking in generalities.

[–]lonelyboyonreddit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

just like poor, innocent Mike Brown was definitely doing

[–]Falark -4ポイント-3ポイント  (8子コメント)

Martin Luther King comes to mind

[–]llamasauce [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

...shot by the police

Nope.

[–]jubbergun [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The guy that shot MLK was a cop?

[–]Falark [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

He wasn't? Just kidding, but you act as if free speech never has any consequences in the US.

[–]jubbergun [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm generally opposed to punishing people for saying stupid things no matter who is doing the punishing, but there is a huge difference between private individuals or companies firing someone or breaking ties with them and the government punishing people for their speech.

[–]Redrum714 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No that was aliens.

[–]Jay__Gatsby [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

MLk was shot by James Earl Ray, who was not a cop

[–]ThinkBEFOREUPost -5ポイント-4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Fred Hampton, MLK Jr, Malcolm X, hell Biggie, Tupac...

Seriously now (although Hampton was a proven LEO assassination), black people get killed by police after getting pulled over for "failing to signal", not showing "respect", etc. As far as being killed for speaking their mind, that happens still. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/07/21/424909760/death-of-woman-found-hanged-in-texas-jail-cell-will-be-investigated-as-murder

Prior to cellphone cameras, "bad apple" police were killing people, but most people bought their cover ups. Unfortunately, these same bad apples are still being protected.

[–]greatzimkogway 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

People. Not just black people. People.

[–]smadge [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Black people are disproportionately affected by police violence.

http://www.vox.com/2015/4/10/8382457/police-shootings-racism

[–]ThinkBEFOREUPost [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A surprising number of white people are still ignorant of these statistics. It's like that Chappelle bit I guess: https://youtu.be/43_KU1eEMyw

[–]Mediocretes1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Black people make up 10%ish of the US. The idea that only 10% of the people shot by cops are black people is silly. I'm not saying that other factors aren't involved as well, but black people get waaaay less benefit of the doubt in dangerous police situations.

Anecdote. A few months ago my dad (68 year old, upper middle class, white male) was pulled over for swerving around a cop who cut him off. My dad was pissed and immediately got out of his car and started yelling at the cop. He got a ticket for not wearing his seat belt. Ask a black man, ANY black man in the US, of any age, and any financial situation what they think would happen if they got out of their car and started yelling at a cop.

[–]Jay__Gatsby [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They just arrested him for raising his hand.

[–]Gunney55 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I taste the salt from across the ocean.

[–]EatDonutsGetFat -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

shots fired!!

wait...

[–]lonelyboyonreddit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

thats because guns are banned in europe

[–]Staeff 23ポイント24ポイント  (16子コメント)

I hope you realize that you are only free to do what you want in the USA and anywhere else in the world until you break the law, the same way you can't go around and rob a store you are not allowed to use nazi symbols or hate speech against races in germany by the law, so you have to deal with it, which in my opinion is actually not that stupid given where it has lead to in the past.

[–]NoCancerHere 5ポイント6ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yeah but suppressing stuff like this can be a slippery slope and could very easily lead to totalitarian rule like stuff suppressing free speech and hauling people away for their beliefs, I don't agree with Nazis but i also don't think this is the proper way to go about discouraging it.

[–]Staeff 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a perfectly valid argument! The intention of this law is to shut down people instigating crimes, so saying "we should burn down this refugee center" or "we should kill all muslims" is illegal. The part about nazi symbols is about baning criminal organizations which are a danger for the order of the constitutional state, like baning some criminal gang. Which still makes sense to me.

[–]GasPoweredStick_ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Ignoring right wing extremism is a slippery slope. I'm pretty sure you're aware of German history.

[–]xxganjamastaxx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh no, a society where people aren't allowed to be racist! HOW COULD WE DO THAT?

[–]alekzander01 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Issue is, the nazi doctrine is responsible for 12-20 million deaths (12 million holocaust victims, 6 million Jews and the other 6 million being Slavs, Romani, gays, etc. Another 20 million Eastern European civilians are estimated to have been killed by the Nazis), suppressing the Nazi ideology is responsible for probably less than 10. One of the firs things the Nazis did was limit free speech (arrest all socialists, communists, ban newspaper that were against them, etc) but then they desperately cling onto free speech the moment they aren't in power, abuse it, and then do what Nazis do. If they banned you for being right wing, that would be an issue, but supporting Nazis is supporting censorship and mass murder, which is pretty horrible

[–]RichardRogers [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

"Supporting Nazis is supporting censorship! We have to censor them instead!"

[–]alekzander01 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And nothing of value is lost

The nazis had and have 0 ideas that aren't complete insanity.

[–]cbmuser [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This law has been in effect since around 1949 and it hasn't lead into any sort of totalitarian state last time I checked. Meanwhile, many Southern states in the US still haven't come racism.

[–]Mediocretes1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Germany hasn't tried to take over the world in 70 years. Must be working.

edit: /s

[–]Calimali [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's worked well for the Germans and they're not complaining about it. What's your beef?

[–]Bob_Droll [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Burn all the Nazi books!

... Wait a minute...

[–]Bobbers8 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Unless you're on a boat. In the middle of the ocean.

[–]phila305 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't get when people always say this. Do you think they had free speech in the Weimar Republic that lead up to the Nazi takeover?? Of course not. Any Nazi type hate speech was strictly banned. Which had no success (obviously) in suppressing it, but probably the opposite effect, because everyone that heard it didn't hear any opposing viewpoints and it was like some "government is afraid of you hearing it because they don't want to let the people know the truth about the Jewish conspiracy" bullshit.

[–]reddelicious77 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Holding your hand in the air in a particular manner is a completely harmless and victimless/non-threatening "crime". Now, whether you're offended by that or not is on you, not on the person holding their hand. You will decide how you feel and react.

And let's be clear: It's a completely stupid, disrespectful and asinine gesture, but any kind of harmless freedom of expression does not deserve jail time.

It's ironic, really, as Germany is acting like a despotic and authoritarian nation by criminalizing free expression, all to somehow stop people from emulating Hitler and his totally despotic and authoritarian ideals.

[–]Psych555 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It wasn't the allowance of hate speech that lead to social dictatorship. It was the banning of love speech.

[–]linesreadlines[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (15子コメント)

MFW an American gets shot by the police for drinking a beer at age 20

[–]DonTago 25ポイント26ポイント  (11子コメント)

Got a source for that. I drank beer before 20 and didn't get shot, so did everyone else I know. Sounds like absurd hyperbole to me. How about you link to even one example where that actually happened.

[–]unkillable94 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Be realistic dude. You believe someone would exaggerate to benefit an agenda on Reddit?

[–]Nozphexezora [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

OP's a fucking moron.

[–]TheGreatSpagett [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Try doing it while being less white.

[–]realigion [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Eh kids at my high school got tazed all the time for being at parties. Shooting nah. Tazing fashow.

Door swings open and hear that TICKTICKTICKTICK

[–]DonTago [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Sounds doubtful. Is that what they told you.

[–]realigion [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

No, I've been at parties where it's happened. If you try to run for the back doors or if they chase you through the woods they'd taze people all the time.

If you just stand there they would just breathalyze and write you a ticket.

It was in Arizona, probably one of the most trigger happy places on earth.

[–]SeanMegaByte [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Can confirm, Arizona isn't just a miserable place because of the heat.

[–]DonTago [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Okay, I see... that is a little different of a story than the one you told to begin with.

[–]GenericUsername16 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So you broke the law?

[–]RobertFlobert [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

MFW I read America hate as an American

[–]Spacecoyote123 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's hard to say which image is more offensive tbh...

[–]JohnCoffee23 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (6子コメント)

offensive

Can't take a joke?

[–]Spacecoyote123 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

I was trying to be funny but of course it is hard to convey this with words, I just thought being a New Zealander I always cringe when I see American patriotism in NZ we tend to hate our flag it's really boring etc..Your flag is so much cooler though.

[–]JohnCoffee23 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Americans aren't very patriotic despite popular belief, 90% of the time it's sarcasm. If you want cringe worthy patriotism you have to go down south.

[–]Spacecoyote123 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

"The south will rise again"..

[–]bethroebodeen 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

OBUMMER TOOKED OUR FLAGS!!!

[–]IronOreAgate 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah considering the Google suggestion when I tried to see a picture was, "New Zealand flag change." I would believe you.

I also agree, I think the American flag is a lot cooler then New Zealand's... Yours just feels so dull and the UK flag in the corner makes me feel like your a still a puppet state for the Brits.

[–]Spacecoyote123 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes we kinda are still are.We have Knighthoods given to high achieving NZs which is really medieval and fucked up I think..

[–]Smoog 1ポイント2ポイント  (41子コメント)

If you think Europeans are actively busy mocking America and their lack of freedom, you should make spend some time in the real world.

Also why are you creating some sort of relative freedom? How does not being allowed to make a Nazi salute in public in Europe, affect how free or not you are in America?

[–]JohnCoffee23 4ポイント5ポイント  (38子コメント)

Well for one you won't spend 3 years in jail for it.

[–]ropid 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

He won't get a prison sentence. He will have to pay a fine at most.

[–]Gastronomicus 10ポイント11ポイント  (36子コメント)

No, instead you'll spend three years in jail for possession of marijuana, or some ridiculous 3rd strike for some trivial crime.

[–]phukinrektm8 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Rekt

[–]NoCancerHere -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ridiculous 3rd strike makes sense since it only applys to felonies, like murder, kidnapping, arson, etc which are the upper tier crimes as opposed to misdemeanors, and they do the 3rd strike because its a strain on the court system for repeat offenders and at that point with 3 felonies the person isn't learning from their actions.

[–]Gastronomicus -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Examples of the pre-posterousness of the law:

Jerry Dewayne Williams' was sentenced to a life sentence for violent assault and stealing a slice of pepperoni pizza, after previous convictions for robbery and attempted robbery.

Gary Ewing was sentenced to a life sentence for shoplifting golf clubs, after previously being convicted of burglary, and armed robbery.

There are many legal implications of the three-strikes law that raise problematic and ethical questions. California is the only state in which a misdemeanor crime can be made into a third strike. In Leandro Andrade's case, he was given two 25 to life sentences for various shoplifting charges that were deemed felonies given California's three-strikes provision that would otherwise, if a first offense, result in just 6 months of jail.

In 1992, Timothy L. Tyler was sentenced to life in prison without parole for possession of 13 sheets of LSD, the third time he was found guilty. He was on a three-year probation and had not previously served any jail time.

Curtis Wilkerson stole a pair of socks worth $2.50 in 1995. As he had had two prior convictions for robbery in 1981, aged 19, this theft was considered a third strike. He was convicted and received a life sentence.

On November 4, 1995, Leandro Andrade stole five videotapes from a K-Mart store in Ontario, California. Two weeks later, he stole four videotapes from a different K-Mart store in Montclair, California. Andrade had been in and out of state and federal prisons since 1982, and at the time of these two crimes in 1995, had been convicted of petty theft, residential burglary, transportation of marijuana, and escaping from prison. As a result of these prior convictions, the prosecution charged Andrade with two counts of petty theft with a prior conviction, which under California law can either be a felony or a misdemeanor. Under California's three-strikes law, any felony can serve as the third "strike" and thereby expose the defendant to a sentence of 25 years to life in prison. Andrade was sentenced to two consecutive 25-years-to-life terms. The decision was upheld by the Supreme Court in 2003.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-strikes_law#Controversial_results)

Etc, etc. Are these people guilty of doing stupid and illegal things and deserve some form of punishment? Yup. Does the punishment match the crime? Apparently not in many cases.

[–]makita69 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

In most states marijuana possession is just a ticketable offense. Nazi salutes, however, are legal everywhere, and in some places, encouraged.

[–]mrchumbastic -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

most states

just a ticketable offense.

lolwut

[–]Skinnj 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But we have Kinder Surprise Eggs! HA-HA!

[–]Citizen_O 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, the fabled Chris Evans self-boob grab.

[–]GenericUsername16 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How about we all just agree that the country that one by chance happened to have been born in is the bestest, most awesomest country ever!?

And that, by extension, someone born in that country must be pretty great, and can deservedly feel superior to people not living in the same place as them?

[–]WalterHenderson [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Until very recently you were so free that you weren't even allowed to visit another country (Cuba). Every country has its restrictions...

[–]Eurynom0s [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Europeans are probably more free than America in some regards. But on free speech, America comes the closest to getting it right.

[–]knitre [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think Americans have a lot more freedom when it comes to having the right to have fucked up world views. It works because you have a culture of "if you don't fuck with me, I won't fuck with you" which doesn't really exist in Europe.

If European Nazis lived like the Amish and only heiled hitler in their closed communities while letting everyone else live in peace they wouldn't be a problem. They are a problem because they want to "share" their ideology with everyone else.

[–]blomqv [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh, beware of upsetting the euros, they are genetically predisposed to getting their panties in a twist.

[–]GenericUsername16 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, it's just a salute to Nazism.

Not like it's a naked human body or a bad word on TV.

[–]ReasonablyBadass [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

We don't go "Freedom! FREEDOM!" all day and then ban people saying "fuck" on tv.