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[–]Inorashi -29ポイント-28ポイント  (207子コメント)

Wow that statement basically blows it off as if they did nothing. Such a childish way to react by just saying they didn't think they did anything wrong. Sure maybe what he did wasn't that serious to you or me, but Twitch doesn't fuck around with this stuff and he should know that.

[–]Dinomight3 115ポイント116ポイント  (76子コメント)

I don't understand what he did wrong though?

It's clearly an entertainment channel. People in TV don't suffer similar consequences for shooting someone in character.

You people need to lighten up, damn.

[–]GeneralRectum 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

He hurt everyone's feelings and must be reprimanded!

/s

[–]lmhTimberwolves 23ポイント24ポイント  (27子コメント)

They dared to do something that somebody may not have found funny.

[–]WockItOut 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't that how a lot of the best comedy was born? Not saying it WAS funny, but I don't see what harm it did... of course some people will be offended, just like some people will be offended with racist jokes. But we tell them anyway because there is a larger community that would find it funny.

[–]Trolokr 3ポイント4ポイント  (25子コメント)

Yeah, making it seem like swatting is something that should be considered funny is definitely not a problem at all. /s

[–]bkalen17 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

No but making light of an uncomfortable topic is a frequent tactic in comedy.

[–]ios_k 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

Then let's ban all the comedies that make fun of police, crime, etc.

[–]Trolokr -5ポイント-4ポイント  (6子コメント)

You don't see the difference between someone making a verbal joke, and someone pretending that they get arrested by a swat team?

[–]TheHalfire 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

verbal joke

You dont watch enough TV if thats all you think there is. Just watch the average episode of South Park and then say that this fake swatting was worse.

[–]Trolokr -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, South Park really tries to convince the viewer that the show is actual made of up real people living real stories.

[–]BansheeGoose 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Did you even watch tricks skit? He was fucking laughing for most of it .......

It obviously wasn't real ..

[–]Trolokr 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

He was smirking for a second, he never laughed. Did you even watch it?

[–]Dinomight3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a visual joke. What's the difference? The act was placed upon him, he was not harming anyone.

[–]lmhTimberwolves 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Time to shut down League of Legends, killing people is not funny

[–]beebopcola -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

mah feelings though.

seriously this is symptomatic of a weird hyper-politically-correct culture that has been growing. how can something like fake swatting offend anyone.

i just don't get it.

[–]Windover 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Apparently a bunch of female streamers on twitter (ex-Sirens Alexa for example) were triggered by it.

[–]beebopcola 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

ahah. thats pretty odd. did they hear about it, watch it, and then feint or were they watching it live-streamed?

either way i'm of the opinion... who cares? low-cut blouses is a trigger for my boner, yet i don't see Twitch addressing a large portion of the female userbase. nor should they. i have the option of watching the damn thing or not.

[–]Windover 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Apparently they all reacted after the fact that it happened so they weren't even watching live, but some of them had flashbacks.

[–]beebopcola 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

oh boy. the fucking horror.

[–]lmhTimberwolves -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right? He didn't say anything about any race, religion, handicap, gender, what have you. He did a completely self-contained act, just like any youtube video, TV show, or movie.

[–]Lavoisier21 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

It was undisputeddly a prank, not a real swatting. If you made a prank where someone disguised as a cannibal (maybe Shia Lebouf?) runs around pedestrians trying to scare them, nobody would bat an eye, and nobody would accuse you of supporting cannibalism.

[–]Trolokr -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

So you think nobody would call the police if someone is acting like a cannibal... interesting world you live in.

[–]Lavoisier21 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

There's absolutely no crime being commited as long as it's not actually done with intent (which it isn't if it's part of a prank), at least in the laws of my country. You could call the police if you feel bothered and they might even detain you for questioning, but there's not much more they'd do about it.

This is not to mention the fact that no harm is being done since most of the time the prankster tells his victim that they're being pranked and were in no real danger, which is exactly what Trick2g did.

Here are just two of many examples, you can find more on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-LTvV3CRoo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfw5yvn17VI

[–]Trolokr -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So you admit that people will call the police, yet you said this:

If you made a prank where someone disguised as a cannibal around pedestrians trying to scare them, nobody would bat an eye

Seems legit. TIL calling the police on someone = nobody batting an eye.

[–]Lavoisier21 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nobody would bat an eye as in there wouldn't be any outrage stemming from a supposed immorality of the prank, like the outrage being aimed at the (obviously) fake swatting prank. If you had taken it into context, you'd have understood my meaning.

Causing the reaction of making people call the police is largely irrelevant to the discussion as it can be taken as no more than fairly weak circumstantial evidence of the lawful or unlawfulness of an action, let alone it's morality or immorality.

Indeed, today you learned.

[–]Capatillar -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just like TV shows that depict gang violence make me want to go join a gang because it looks like so much fun!

[–]Trolokr -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bad comparison. Joining a gang affects you negatively, swatting a streamer doesn't affect you negatively since that can be done completely anonymously and even from a different country.

[–]Ajhale[Jinkku] (NA) 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Swatting is a terrible thing that threatens streamers and their families. Do you remember PL's swatting incident? He ended up moving and had to find his parents a new house because of that shit.

Even if it is fake. It's not something that should be promoted in any way whatsoever.

[–]maxintos 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well 9/11 or killing or other stuff comedians joke about is even worse if you take it seriously. If the humour is too dark or you are too sensitive don't watch it.

[–]Darkseekerr -2ポイント-1ポイント  (14子コメント)

People get butt hurt at anything that can be even be considered remotely offensive and are terrified by the "what ifs", rather than focusing on what did happen. Its just cowards being cowards.

[–]MiniTom_ -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

I don't think it has anything to do with what ifs. I also haven't taken the time to think about how serious I think it is, but I can totally see the argument for suspending and maybe even banning. Basically what he did has 2 implications, firstly, it blatantly pokes fun at a traumatic and serious event other streamers/people have went through (having yourself thrown on the ground, gun aimed at you is pretty fucking serious). Secondly, it plays the event off as if it's nothing more then a joke, which it absolutely isn't, and can even lead to people doing it more, as they think its nothing serious, which it is. Swatting is just one of the shittier things you can do over the internet, and faking one is just outright stupid, and can lead to worse.

[–]Audunseth -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

firstly, it blatantly pokes fun at a traumatic and serious event other streamers/people have went through

Jesus Christ, grow a fucking spine dude. God damn.

[–]MiniTom_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

People asked why he was suspended. I answered, tis not me who's offended, have a nice day.

[–]Darkseekerr 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So what? Anything can be funny. There is no bounds of who and what you can make fun for the sake of comedy. Why should I care if its a traumatic experience? That's not what I got out of the stream. That's not what the majority of his fan base saw when he played this little stunt. They just saw it as a form of entertainment. I did not once think that this joke belittled swatting victims.

I simply saw it as a form of entertainment. Patrice O'Neal sums its up perfectly. Everyone gets so damn worked about being offending victims like it matters if they're offended, like its not a choice to be offended.

Of course if you look into this little prank too deeply you'll get those same conclusions you pointed out. But no everyone thinks that. His demographic is younger teens. They're not going to read into the prank to much. Just an example. A shitty one, but still.

The movie Snowpiercer. You know what I got out of it? It was a fun action movie that kept me entertained. That's it. Nothing else. But if you actually over think it and look into it, its much more. Its a political movie about the common good blah blah blah.

[–]MiniTom_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree, I saw it as comedy, and I found it funny, I was simply answering the question being asked generally, why was he suspended. Basically, Twitch has to deal with a ton of BS if swatting continues, so poking fun reduces the serious nature, allowing it to be done without people thinking of the consequence. That's it, no being offended, no anger from myself, just a simple response to a question, that Twitch as a company can't allow it to happen, no matter how harmless it may or may not be.

Also, thanks for giving an actual response! : D

[–]LeeIguana -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I get your point, but satires almost always are done about something that is polemical, just look at the recent events about the Mohamed charges.

Also, the police raid satire it's something Monty Python did in 1975, and didn't got shat because of it.

I did not saw the VOD of the Trick parody, but for what I'm reading about, it looked like it was some clear joke that was misunderstood/disliked by some people, and these people decided to cause a ruckus about it.

[–]MiniTom_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was a clear joke, and it was pretty damn funny, and really obvious. If I had to guess, it had very little to do with the response as Twitch hasn't given a shit about many uproars in the past, and they usually pass judgment by their own standards, and not those of the community (probably a good think now). Twitch can't have swatting, it screws them in a few different ways from investers (honestly I'm not sure if they're public or not), probably having to interact with the police every time, and dealing with other general bullshit every time it happens. The event further popularized it at the same time as making it seem harmless (despite being a joke).

Also, despite my undying love for Monty Python and all of the satire they've done, that was 40 years ago and the state of media has changed drastically. Thanks for the actual response!

[–]Zarifff -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

You should go back to Tumblr.

http://i.imgur.com/MoAQjf7.jpg

[–]MiniTom_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

People asked why he was suspended. I answered, tis not me who's offended, have a nice day. I also don't use tumblr, never have, Sorry.

[–]IAmA_Lannister -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is what bothers me about our society the most. Everybody is so worried about people being offended.

[–]GloriousFireball 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone WANTS to get offended, they go looking for shit to offend them and then bitch about it. Drives me fucking insane. Yeah this swatting thing was a joke in bad taste, he doesn't deserve a ban for it though.

[–]Minty_Face[MintyFace] (NA) -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's not the issue here though. People being offended is more or less irrelevant. What he did (even if unintentionally) was promote the act of swatting. He gave his viewers the idea that swatting is normal and okay (again, even if he didn't mean to). This is particularly troubling because a substantial amount of his fan base is young (in the 12-18 yr. range) which, for anyone that's taken a psychology class, or lived through those years already, knows that many people in that age range don't always make the most rational decisions. Also his response to the whole thing was incredibly immature. It's okay (in fact it's encouraged on this scale) to admit when you've done something wrong, and he really should, but he won't, because mentally and emotionally he's about 13 years old.

[–]IAmA_Lannister -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why would it give the idea that swatting is okay? It gives the idea that fake swatting is okay.

[–]Minty_Face[MintyFace] (NA) 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There really is no difference between promoting "fake swatting" and promoting actual swatting. The fact that he staged a swat demonstration on his stream promotes the idea that swatting is normal. Aside from the issue of promotion, by staging a fake swat he's also down-playing the severity of a situation like this, essentially saying "swatting is no big deal guys, it's funny", when in reality it's actually quite serious. As other users have already noted, real swatting is actually quite dangerous and costly for law enforcement, and we shouldn't be promoting it or diminishing its severity in any way.

[–]ElectronicWar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

[ ] You understand the difference between live streaming and a recorded TV show

[–]Social-LoL[Social] (EU-W) 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well i dont think thats the point, Swatting is a real problem for streamers and could potentially get people hurt. I think thats why twitch decided to ban the channel (my best guess)

[–]an_admirable_admiral 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

streamers and swat teams have a special history though and streaming is not generally considered to be fiction. Its like if people on the show survivor had a history of being eaten by sharks and then for a season finale they fake someone getting eaten by a shark... its on a different level than a character on CSI getting shot.

[–]ExceedingChunk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because swatting is something people actually does for fun. Making it a fun thing, even when fake, contributes to the idea, for some already fucked up people, that swatting is ok because it's just fun to watch.

Swatting someone can ruin their lives and potentionally get them killed.

[–]insanePowerMe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought the same and then I saw this video. It is not funny after seeing how american swat take it to this level. Shouldn't joke about it in america.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiW-BVPCbZk

[–]ChrisSetzer -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

You people? He messed with the mouth thats feeding him, aka twitch, and he was stupid enough to mess with the people he has a contract with. That has nothing to do with TV. If you jail yourself to a company that treats you nicely most of the time you better make sure you stay within your limits. He's fucked for 4 months now and I hope his contracts doesn't allow him to stream somewhere else. Punished for stupidity.

[–]Dinomight3 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can you show me where this is against the rules of conduct?

[–]ChrisSetzer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No need to be in the TOS to be relevant to twitch and enable them to hand out punishment.

[–]brna767 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol. Probably the last time he or his subscribers thinks being obnoxious is something he should teach other viewers, that's for sure lol.

[–]eXigent123 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

What exactly did they do that was wrong though? Is it now illegal to improv? Are people not allowed to act in jest? I dont see where the problem lies here.

[–]Inorashi -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

How did you even get the idea that anyone is saying he did something illegal?

[–]eXigent123 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I didn't. I asked if it was illegal to improv. You need reading comprehension. Since you failed to respond to my comment, and instead asked a pretty dumb question in response, I will ask again.

Wheres the problem here?

[–]Inorashi 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The problem is he did something Twitch is strongly against.

[–]eXigent123 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Where does it say that? Got the reference?

[–]Lycan7369 8ポイント9ポイント  (23子コメント)

You would think that being such a huge streamer, and planning all this in advance, (they had to buy the SWAT costumes) they would be smart enough to check with Twitch Staff to see if this was against the ToS or not.

[–]byKonzii 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

''swat costume'' its a paintball vest from amazon

[–]Lycan7369 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

My apologies, saying costume took it a little too far. The point is that they had to order it off of amazon which means they planned it a couple days in advance and had time to check with twitch staff, which they clearly didn't. Of course it is still debatable whether or not this is against the ToS.

[–]nio151 2ポイント3ポイント  (17子コメント)

It's not against the tos. Why would you need to ask twitch staff when the tos is public.

[–]Lycan7369 0ポイント1ポイント  (16子コメント)

You say it isn't, obviously it was or he wouldn't be banned. Like I said, debatable.

[–]Lavoisier21 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not like the ToS could be open to interpretation or a company could be unlawfully hiding under it in order to promote their own interests

[–]Lycan7369 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you, someone with a brain just made an intelligent comment.

[–]nio151 0ポイント1ポイント  (13子コメント)

Something written isn't debatable

[–]Lycan7369 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

What I am saying is that while it does not explicitly say "SWATTING IS AGAINST OUR TOS". His actions may have been construed as a breach of some other ToS violation.

[–]nio151 -1ポイント0ポイント  (11子コメント)

Please read the tos. It's not and it didn't

[–]GloriousFireball 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Incorrect, see the following from Section 13 part 2g:

Content that, in the judgment of Twitch, is objectionable or which restricts or inhibits any other person from using or enjoying the Interactive Areas or the Twitch Service, or which may expose Twitch or our users to any harm or liability.

Which basically means that twitch can ban for whatever the fuck it wants to. Not that I agree he should've been banned, it's stupid he was, but it's in their ToS that they can do whatever they want in their platform.

[–]Lycan7369 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

You seem really sure. Why is he banned?

[–]nio151 -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

Because twitch is covering their asses. Plus I read contracts I agree to.

[–]Lycan7369 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

I guarantee you don't read every contract you agree to.

[–]read_the_books 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well they didn't because it isn't, and it shouldn't be. Even if they had approached Twitch before, they would have been told it was fine. This is just damage control by Twitch after the incident since everyone seems to think this is something really bad.

[–]moush 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's calling having an ego.

[–]Eladriol 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

why the fuck would it be lol

[–]Thenateo 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

Childish reaction for childish streamer with childish viewers. Not a surprise.

[–]DarthVantos 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Fuck his reaction, fuck him, fuck his viewers" - Thenateo

[–]Windover 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That Thenateo guy sounds super fucking childish.

[–]rine4321 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That "childish" streamer found an easy way to get people to talk about his stream. Which means more people will possibly check it out.

[–]Ionsai 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mature statement.

[–]ScionMonkeyRoller -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

You've been back door'd a few times, I can tell.

[–]Avairce -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Would help if it was Trick who wrote that response, so childish response from someone who didn't bother reading the reaction?

[–]Pyrannus 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Your exactly the person the statement is describing.

[–]ThatOneHandedGuy 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

And? Their statement is bullshit. They should be glad they're not a company that will ever be taken seriously because they would be blown off the face of the earth if anyone that wasn't a teenager read that PR. Take that statement, and imagine if any company that got media attention said it. They would be made fun of for years. If you quoted that as something Donald Trump said, it would be completely plausible.

[–]Pyrannus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I respect companies and people that make true to the heart statements over politically correct bullshit any day of the week.

I like Donald Trump for that reason.

[–]Eladriol 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah they did nothing lol

[–]kogmawesome 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Where exactly were you, or anyone, injured by that stream? A victimless crime isn't a crime most of the time, regardess of what cop dramas have taught us.

[–]Maltadelo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

they are right to be honest

[–]tuzero 0ポイント1ポイント  (31子コメント)

What did they do wrong? It's a pretty obvious joke...why would you think that deserves any kind of punishment? His job is to provide entertainment to his viewers and he does it well enough to garner a significant viewership.

[–]tblessing1995 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because they didn't do anything wrong, it was a joke. Get off the internet if you can't take jokes because everyone on here is a fucking joke.

[–]Chaoz_Caster2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

And whats wrong with it? Please would love to hear your explanation. And dont mention anything about real swatting, because this was not real.

[–]DotDotDashh 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh so you were offended by this. That's about all I got from your comment.

[–]Inorashi -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Careful i'll bring Ellen Pao down here if you offend me again.

[–]Ambushh 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Get thicker skin bro

[–]Inorashi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why? I don't care about what he did.

[–]NeverPull0ut -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm going to assume that you didn't watch the video. Was it funny? I personally didn't really think so. But the "fake swat" guy was literally in the room for the entire stream, made no effort to disguise himself, and was wearing a 2g hat. It was clearly done as a joke.

[–]freefrogs -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The ending was scheduled for 3PM which again if thought process was used in any way, one would know that a swat team would not wait until the end of a stream to engage.

This is... incredibly backhanded. "If you weren't total idiots, you'd realize it was all a funny joke".