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[–]BroSiLLLYBro -4ポイント-3ポイント  (54子コメント)

Honestly though, I think that would not work. I like John Oliver's part on this topic.

[–]assangeleakinglol 37ポイント38ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]Aeolsu 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, one is a single mother, and the other is the president of Ecuador. His thing was more of a political thing than a safety thing.

[–]CookyM0nster 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

«If you're this sensitive then Twitter and Facebook might not be for you.»

[–]Nermelzz 70ポイント71ポイント  (35子コメント)

Hard to take him seriously when he references Anita Sarkeesian

[–]dickpics_pls 21ポイント22ポイント  (19子コメント)

yeah, lending a con artist credence just completely blows it.

[–]EditorialComplex 1ポイント2ポイント  (18子コメント)

I've never understood the con artist meme. She asked for a tiny amount of money, got a bunch, expanded the scope of her project and even started new projects in response to criticism (positive female characters and harmful tropes about men) without raising more money.

And a lot of the "evidence" that she scammed people (like the tweet about buying new shoes) was faked. Compare that to the Sarkeesian Effect guy who literally bought a new car with his money, but nobody calls him a con artist.

So... is that she's been slow to deliver? That she's gotten things wrong? If a Kickstarter project being slow is enough to get you called a con artist and scammer...

[–]stfnotguilty 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

There's a LOT of stuff out there that indicates she is either willfully ignorant or actively manipulative.

For example, she talks about "acts of misogyny always being implicitly encouraged by the game" over a clip of Hitman: Absolution. During the clip, the player character knocks a woman out and drags her body to be hidden. The funny thing is, the score counter is going DOWN while this is happening, because the game penalizes you for it. Sarkeesian is talking about violence against women being encouraged...over a clip which shows the game ACTIVELY DISCOURAGING AND PENALIZING THE PLAYER FOR IT.

She flat-out says things that just aren't true to advance her agenda and get paid.

[–]EditorialComplex -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

That always has felt like a misunderstanding of her point though. Someone had to program the possibility of it into the game, right? And IIRC you can just dump the body in a hiding spot and your score goes back up.

What are your other examples? Everyone always trots out Hitman, but that's literally the only one I go "yeah, I think she's off the mark on that one." And she's talked about what, 50+ games? 98% accuracy isn't half bad.

Edit: If you have a while, this video does a pretty good job at arguing her point in more depth and making the case that the common criticisms of her Hitman bit tend to misunderstand her.

[–]hatebeesatecheese 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's A FUCKING VIDYA GAEM

Is this the real world or is this just fantasy?

It's fantasy, thank you for the question.

Game developers can create games however they want, if she disagrees with those games, she can create her own.

[–]EditorialComplex -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's A FUCKING VIDYA GAEM

Okay. Your point?

Game developers can create games however they want

Yes. Nobody thinks otherwise.

if she disagrees with those games, she can create her own.

Or, and this is a ridiculous notion, she can criticize them. Because she is a critic and not a game developer. And she has freedom of speech to criticize things that she sees as below her standard.

[–]stfnotguilty 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes. Nobody thinks otherwise.

I think the cases of harassment and financial lockout against developers who create 'offensive' media proves that to be a lie. The people saying "Nobody's stopping you! We just want a critical conversation!" (NEOgaf, GamerGhazi, etc) are the same ones using organized mass complaints to get people removed from PayPal, Patreon, and Kickstarter so they CAN'T create what they want.

[–]duende667 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]Dangerestdrag 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

She made 4 times the money she asked for and put out 1/10th of the contents. She has amassed fame and fortune pushing erroneous facts, lied about assaults, doesn't even have a logical argument in the first place and most of all because she actually thinks video games are stupid and she is just pretending to care about them so she.can be outraged. Let alone all the people that follow and support her, those people alone are reason enough not to like her.

[–]EditorialComplex -4ポイント-3ポイント  (7子コメント)

Do you have evidence for your claims?

Made 4x the money: ok? Not her fault.

Produced 1/10th the content: 3/10ths by my count, as well as extra videos to address common criticisms. Slow? Yes. Con? No.

The other stuff, is either your opinion or not supported by the facts.

[–]Dangerestdrag 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's been 3 fuckin years, that isn't slow they just aren't coming out. Even if they did come out the would be the same washed up arguments she has already made. She is making money attacking an industry for having a target audience, boys. Instead of using her money to empower women or make a "game for women" she just criticizes what boys like and says that it is sexist. she is just critical of existing culture with absolutely 0 reasonable solutions. You don't pay a doctor to tell you you are sick you pay them to get better. She doesn't give a fuck about video games and is just scamming all of these "girl gamers" out of money. You are going to disagree with me no matter as you seem to think delivering 3/10th of content 2 years after the promise is okay. She had hundreds of thousands of dollars it's not like she HAD to work during that time? Instead she was off making more money and using her fame for her own gain. Anita is someone who has accomplished nothing but to make girls into even bigger victims, she has fixed nothing and created a cultural backlash against the male gaming community in the process. I dislike her because she is considered a civil rights activist because she used feminsm to make her some money and for some reason people can't see that. She did nothing, is nothing, and will be nothing but a scam artist.

[–]EditorialComplex -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's been 3 fuckin years, that isn't slow they just aren't coming out.

She comes out with a new video every three months or so. This is provably false. The new videos, I remind you, were an attempt to expand the scope of her project in order to address criticism. She really can't do anything right in your eyes, can she?

She is making money attacking an industry for having a target audience, boys

Do you really think so little of boys and men that you think we can only appreciate objectification and can't handle, say, playing as a female character? That's pretty misandristic of you.

She's a critic, not a game developer. What a silly argument.

she is just critical of existing culture with absolutely 0 reasonable solutions

Do you think every critic needs to be offering solutions, too? If I'm a game critic last generation who wants to criticize the prevalence of QTE-based games, do I really need to offer an alternative? It can be helpful, sure, but it's not necessary.

She doesn't give a fuck about video games and is just scamming all of these "girl gamers" out of money.

This is purely conjecture. There are pictures of her playing nintendo as a kid and she has talked at length about how she got disillusioned with games and only got back into them with the Wii. BTW, she published a breakdown of her expenses and the "salary" bit means she makes about $30k a year. Not exactly rolling in it.

You are going to disagree with me no matter as you seem to think delivering 3/10th of content 2 years after the promise is okay.

How do you feel about Star Citizen, out of curiosity?

My point is: There are a gajillion fucking Kickstarters that have been slow to deliver. This does not make them scams. She has produced ~181 minutes of footage. That's 3 hours. That's two full-length movies. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

She had hundreds of thousands of dollars it's not like she HAD to work during that time

You know, literally at the beginning she said she would be slow, because thanks to the expanded scope of the project she A.) invested in new equipment (and there is a marked increase in quality between her old and new stuff) and B.) had to invest in security options thanks to getting harassed all the fucking time. Star Citizen is taking forever too, and they're at least not getting yelled at by a mob the moment they poke their heads up.

Anita is someone who has accomplished nothing but to make girls into even bigger victims, she has fixed nothing

Many, many developers disagree. There's an awareness now that there wasn't before. GDC panels on writing better, more diverse casts are now packed. They gave her a fucking award for christ's sake, obviously they think she's doing something right.

She did nothing, is nothing, and will be nothing but a scam artist.

Here's what you haven't demonstrated: That any of this was a con. Even if I agree with you that she's been slow, what makes you say it was a con rather than her just being not a very good producer? Has she been going back begging for money, like the Sarkeesian Effect people? Did she take the money and run like the Tropes vs. Men people? Did she spend her money on a new car, like again, the Sarkeesian Effect people?

You have failed to demonstrate malice or intent. All of the actual evidence suggests that she A.) asked for a very moderate sum of $6k, B.) was completely unprepared for it to get as big as it did, and C.) has been slowly producing videos, even if they weren't the originally planned ones, because she's reacting to feedback.

Edit: Since you deleted your comment - "misandrist" does not mean what you think it means.

[–]tubbsmcgee 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Calm down Anita.

[–]EditorialComplex -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm just annoyed at baseless accusations.

[–]MiddlingPenguin 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

You either have no idea who this lady is, or are one of her irrational, ignorant supporters.

[–]EditorialComplex -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just don't think that the evidence shows what people think it shows. And half the time it seems like the smoking gun ends up being wrong. Like the whole "she didn't call the police... wait yes she did" thing.

There is so much vitriol and bullshit going around that is honestly undeserved for such bland feminism 101 videos.

[–]Buzz567 4ポイント5ポイント  (11子コメント)

It's still a valid argument. They still did get harassed. The other facts about her, while true, aren't the point of discussion. She's still a scumbag, but doesn't mean she wasn't cyber bullied.

[–]lorigina 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

A lot of the cyber bullying she also made up too. She's a professional victim.

[–]EditorialComplex 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

There is no actual evidence for that.

[–]hatebeesatecheese 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

No sir, you are wrong. She is the one who is supposed to provide EVIDENCE because she is making the claim.

[–]EditorialComplex -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

OK. She has. She's provided screencaps. Now it is someone else's turn to prove that they're made up.

[–]lorigina 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

[–]EditorialComplex -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Return of Kings is like the least unbiased site possible. Got a source that doesn't have a blatant agenda to push?

Edit: also, that's a hilarious stretch. You know why she might have logged out? Because if you block someone you can't see their tweets while logged in and have to log out if you want to screenshot them. It's 100% plausible that this guy started going after her, she instablocked him then decided to cap the tweets that he'd been sending, and he kept saying things the whole time, hence the 12s tweet.

Easily explainable. The rest of it is hilariously flimsy and not remotely hard evidence.

[–]lorigina 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Both sides could be just as easily true. They're stretching a bit but so are you as well.

[–]EditorialComplex -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But I'm not. I've logged out to view tweets from an account I've blocked before. Hell, I use tweetdeck rather than the website so I'm rarely logged in.

It is infinitely more likely than the tortured conspiracy theory ROK postulates.

[–]Buzz567 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

A lot, true. But not all. She may be a professional victim, but when John Oliver was making the segment, it would have been easy to find her, but he has no reason to know the whole story behind her.

[–]lorigina 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah I'm not saying she wasn't ever harassed. But on some occasions you could tell she was milking it a bit.

[–]Buzz567 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're 100% right. We all know this. But even though she milked it, she's also a valid interview target.

[–]AspiringMountaineer 28ポイント29ポイント  (6子コメント)

I like most of John Oliver's stuff but lately I've noticed he's sort of a hypersensitive baby and likes to blow things out of proportion.

[–]hatebeesatecheese 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

He has to say what the audience want's to know, same with the Lion incident few days ago, it's not really a big deal. It's nothing unusual. There isn't anything psychotic about that but people who know literally nothing about it want to hear how cruel and gruesome it is. But ask a person from the area where it happened.

[–]Oodalay 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's pandering to his audience

[–]Muscar 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

He = him and the rest of the people working for/with him.

[–]this_is_not_real 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Welcome to any media news source.

[–]AspiringMountaineer -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah, difference is most new sources aren't even trying. At least he's somewhat trying.

[–]iUsedtoHadHerpes -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's just a ham. I like what he says sometimes, but he reminds me of a class clown in the sense that he just likes the attention regardless of how he gets it.

[–]hatebeesatecheese 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some of the points John Oliver is trying to make are just ridiculous.

1, Why is the response "what is Twitter" inappropriate? I mean are Police Officers supposed to know every single social media or internet webpage and every single TOR onion as well from now on? Can I go to the police and complain about that one time the Polish player of league of legends told me he will cut my penis off and put it in my mouth, and than actually found out my IP adress and skype and kept harassing me?

Officer:"when and where did this crime happen sir"

Me: "You see he was killing the wolves as Vi in the jungle, and I threw a javelin into them causing me to get the gold and him wasting his smite"

They would laugh me off, and that's alright. Jesus fucks it's the internet.

2, Why is it inherently wrong to say "if you don't want your nudes to be leaked, don't take nudes." and how the fuck does he make the connection with robbery? You need a house to live in, it's a basic need and it's normal. You don't need to take naked pictures of yourself, it's not the norm and you definitely don't need to send them online. They are trying to make the internet into something it obviously it's not designed for, it's just a connection of many many computers. You shouldn't expect that people respect your rights and your own culture online. Suck it up or don't use the internet. And about the threats... if you are safe you don't have to worry about anything, if you are an retard, post pictures of your house with the exact address on your public Facebook feed. It's entirely on you if someone uses this information. I don't even take threats I get IRL seriously, if someone drunk says "maaan I'll fuck you in the ass" in a pub. I am not going to the police for fucks sake. Why would I go to the police if it's said to me ONLINE. NOT IN PERSON. BY A STRANGER. WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHERE I LIVE OR WHAT MY NAME IS? If you make your information available to 7 billion people, what do you except? This is no longer about the internet.

Everyone should just be educated about what Internet is before using it

[–]Littlebelo 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes but he is talking about things that directly threaten people's safety. Calling her out on being a hypocrite is not a direct threat

[–]iUsedtoHadHerpes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, she's not even really being a hypocrite. She's judging people based on something they have literally no control over (although that is her preference, and she's not a bad person if she's only attracted to tall guys).

[–]Darktidemage 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Imagine meek closed his eyes.

Ok.

Are you imagining it?

It changed nothing.

[–]GrampappyJoe -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Weird he congratulates people on their white penis(classy) for not being harassed online but doesn't delve into the topic of the other colors of penises. Guess racism isn't a thing online. And white males get as much shit thrown their way online as anyone else (see: any multiplayer video game ever) they just know it's another dumbass on the other end and don't take it seriously.