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OnePlusOnePlus AMA - post-launch edition (self.Android)

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[–]archon810Android Police [スコア非表示] 1時間前* (32子コメント)

I don't care if I have to buy the review unit or not (not everyone knows this but most review units are loaners). It's not about that. It's about timing. Those with review units will get weeks, sometimes months to come up with a review. Those without are at the mercy of the invite system to get a unit.
Embargoed pre-briefings, like the one we had for the OnePlus 2. I highly dislike embargoes, but when some get it and some don't (which ultimately is always the case, it's the definition of an embargo), things become unfair. So publications try to stay in the good graces no matter what so they could continue getting first dibs on the embargoes. Case in point for why embargoes are stupid: everyone with the embargo was forced to sit on their asses twiddling thumbs till 8pm, pretty much half an hour after the announcement was done.
We were promised hundreds of priority invites to give away to the community. These were cut off.

[–]sethoscopeHammerhead [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (2子コメント)

[–]techietalk_ticktock [スコア非表示] 33分前 (1子コメント)

[–]SolarAquarionMod | OnePlus One : CyanogenMod [スコア非表示] 16分前 (0子コメント)

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[+]dleriumOnePlus One w/ CM11S スコアが基準値未満のコメント[スコア非表示] 1時間前* (16子コメント)

I think its unfortunate and perhaps a dumb move by OnePlus to cut you guys off but at the same time, when you spend 5 posts in 24 hours bashing OnePlus not even in a constructive criticism manner but in a mocking social media GIF-filled spree, it goes to show that you're probably not out there to give them a fair review.

Look, I get this is your personal account, but personal accounts on G+ for many Android News sites often blend in with the actual News site's account. Many personal accounts including yours have been noted to report on some Android news here and there, so its not like there's a clear separation from your account and Android Police.

With that said, I'd have to say its a bit immature of you to go post like this. You won't see this on Anand Lal Shimpi's Twitter account or the revered Brian Klug. Sure he did go about a tirade before about SD cards, but that's far from post after post about a single company.

Edit: Can't forget another one this morning

Edit: Here comes the circlejerk. Say anything negative about Android Police and get downvoted to hell. Let's have a reasonable discussion, no?

[–]archon810Android Police [スコア非表示] 51分前* (2子コメント)

Hi, have you met me? I talk in GIFs on G+ and it's my personal account, so no matter what you think my status there is, I'll say what I want on there. Notice how I didn't post any of those on AP's social accounts. The separation is there, it's not up to me to mandate whether people want to see it or not.

Anyway, I am a OnePlus One owner (and so is my wife), and I still use it as a daily driver. Outside of all the technical issues I've had with it (and many that I helped resolve by working directly with the Cyanogen team), I like the phone. And I didn't think the OnePlus 2 was that bad, outside of a few omissions.

What I do have a problem with is the company, its values, and its marketing. And I'm not the only one. So I'm choosing to react a certain way to it. And now because of the marketing and their repeated actions (need I also remind you how many missteps they had only to then have the community react in a condemning way and OnePlus rescinding like a puppy that knows it fucked up by shitting on the rug?), and the competing phones coming out, my opinion of the OnePlus 2 has also been affected.

I'll probably still buy one, though due to the lack of NFC, I probably won't make it my daily driver. And I'll still post my thoughts about it and OnePlus's behavior which is undoubtedly going to continue to be ridiculous. You bring up some of the G+ posts I posted as if they're bad just because I posted them, like the one this morning that you highlighted. I see things, I call them out. Always have been (hi, have we met?), and if you think the interview excerpts from this morning didn't warrant being highlighted, then... we'll just agree to disagree.

[–]fonix232Samsung Galaxy A5 (SM-A500FU), TouchWiz Lollipop 5.0.2 [スコア非表示] 19分前 (0子コメント)

[–]mastersoup [スコア非表示] 33分前 (0子コメント)

[–]pedropeguerojr [スコア非表示] 1時間前 (12子コメント)

So you're saying you HAVE to post constructive criticism, and everything else is unwanted? He can post as many gifs or posts as he wants about the company, but that shouldn't "revoke" him access to the device all because it won't be a "fair" review.

Do you know 99% of the reviews you read, aren't "fair" regardless? They all follow a review sheet which is handed out by the company. Fail to follow the sheet, you fail to see another review device again. It's sketchy stuff, and for them to, in your words, "bash" OnePlus and then for them to whine and revoke the promised invites and such is unfair.

We should be able to criticize whoever and whatever we want, without penalty. Don't like to be criticized?

Don't make a hyped "2016 Flagship Killer" product, because not everyone is going to agree with you.

Simple as that.

[–]dleriumOnePlus One w/ CM11S [スコア非表示] 1時間前* (11子コメント)

No, I was never saying that one HAS to post constructive criticism. I'm just saying the recent actions of Android Police are pretty close to rock bottom and immature. This isn't like a solid Anandtech article that is exposing flaws of the phone using empirical data that's receiving a revocation of access. It's over a pretty crappy editorial that results in a bunch of whining and isn't even fair at all. I'm not saying op-eds need to be subjective--they aren't, but when all you do is whine and write like this what do you expect?

Because of this, it's unlikely OnePlus' attitude will ever change. If anything, I expect them to get more annoying. They're too far down the rabbit hole of absurdity to go back now, and you honestly have to wonder if they've started to believe their own nonsense, because it really does boggle the mind that anybody can take any of what they say seriously anymore. OnePlus: you've jumped the shark. And then you killed the shark, mounted its head on a wall, and Instagramed a picture of yourself humping the shark head to all of your followers. Even if OnePlus hasn't been all bad (and they haven't), they seem intent on making sure we don't run out of reasons to dislike them.

The only people who would take that writing seriously is a bunch of OnePlus haters, which you see in the comments section and you can hear them chanting "Yeah, FUCK YEAHHHH" just by reading those comments.

Look, both parties are immature here, but I don't see OnePlus spamming their blogs or Carl Pei's twitter running foul. Meanwhile you see Artem's G+ feed and 5 posts in 24 hours (Jul 30 - Jul 31) are filled with butthurt OnePlus posts. Let's not forget he's not done and had to post another one today. There's far more civility and discussion in this whole thread than what Artem is posting. Sure cutting off access is stupid, but if they never had access to begin with, would you as a company PR person feel like Artem is worth giving a device to seeing how he posts like this on G+? It's not like everyone gets devices to review after all.

[–]pedropeguerojr [スコア非表示] 1時間前* (9子コメント)

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[–]fonix232Samsung Galaxy A5 (SM-A500FU), TouchWiz Lollipop 5.0.2 [スコア非表示] 28分前 (0子コメント)

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[+]aurorafluxicOnePlus One | Nexus 7 2013 | Moto 360 スコアが基準値未満のコメント[スコア非表示] 1時間前 (8子コメント)

I'm so bummed that my favorite Android site ever is now one of the sites I either avoid or think twice about visiting. I just don't get you guys.

So, you hate their invite system, you think the company is catastrophically stupid, and you repeatedly curb stomp them both in stupid articles where you decide that an issue with your screen is applicable to every single phone ("my phone and my gf's phone have this problem, let's put out a news article saying the latest update completely disables the phone without bothering to check with any other OP users, the OP subreddit, or anyone like that! Such a responsible article!"), as well as Google+ posts, and finally you run an editorial that literally categorically insults every little thing about them, and you're shocked that they don't want to give you hundreds of priority invites to hand out to the audience that licks up all the hate you put out?

And then, you make a post on G+ where you claim OnePlus "broke up" with you, and how they were "attacking your journalistic integrity", when all they did is tell you no more review units and no invites to give to your community (which, let's be honest, is more beneficial to AP in terms of traffic than it is to OnePlus)?

Like, how fucking old are you people? I may never buy this phone, but AP's reputation as far as I'm concerned as dropped like a rock. You guys are acting like immature brats, abusing your site's excellent reputation to spread total BS.

When you do finally get around to getting the phone, you can be sure I won't read your review, because rather than reviewing the phone for what it is, I have no doubt you're going to pepper it with editorials about the invite system and you'll again be fixated on the "flagship killer" marketing nonsense.

Sad. I know I'm just one person, and you don't give a shit about my opinion because you have legions of other AP fans who support you, but for what it's worth, you guys have lost my trust and faith in you as a reliable reporting site.

[–]mastersoup [スコア非表示] 25分前 (1子コメント)

[–]aurorafluxicOnePlus One | Nexus 7 2013 | Moto 360 [スコア非表示] 10分前 (0子コメント)

I don't give a shit about OnePlus. If tomorrow they went bankrupt and stopped existing, I wouldn't shed a tear. I am not so attached to a company that makes my smartphone that I would feel hurt or feel the need to defend them.

In fact, going further, the way they handled the touchscreen issues on the One was a total disaster. The hoops that support made us jump through to get a replacement were ridiculous. They won't live that down any time soon, and it's something that still bothers me to this day.

However, my opinion on phone reviews is that they should be realistic. A phone review should review the phone. Not the marketing of the phone. Not the purchasing of the phone. The phone itself. And I don't have the confidence that AP is capable of doing that. The review is going to be critical, scathing, and undoubtedly negative, especially because of this so-called "break up".

Someone will have to break this chain of immaturity (as Artem is going around on non OP articles on AP saying "Yes, this phone does have NFC. I mean who wouldn't add NFC to a midgrade phone").

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