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[–]WisdomTooth8 487ポイント488ポイント  (103子コメント)

The "stupid white dad" on tv adverts pisses me off. It's not that I feel discriminated against, it's the whole double standards thing that gets me.

Errrr... I mean herp a derp fall down

[–]isaidthisinstead 238ポイント239ポイント  (36子コメント)

There's a dishwasher ad that features a wife hitting his 'silly' husband over the head with a large socket wrench. Hilarious! :/

[–]NukaCooler 156ポイント157ポイント  (15子コメント)

Hey, at least the ad is promoting same-sex relations.

[–]obeseclown 38ポイント39ポイント  (13子コメント)

we are tainting the children

[–]GodspeedInfinity[🍰] 38ポイント39ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hahaha.

Taint.

[–]FoxyGrampa 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Taint story:

So my last name starts with TANT and I had this (shitty) substitute teacher write me a hall pass once in high school. Thing was the lady was too lazy to write my full name, so she wrote; "Foxy Taint." on my hall pass.... my buddies called me "Taint" for so damn long but it was all in good fun

[–]Onurubu 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

What.

[–]Cannondale1986 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm going to show children my taint.

[–]Trackman89 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

This thread took a dark turn

[–]VoilaVoilaWashington 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, my taint is pretty dark. Maybe I should start washing it...

[–]MethoxetamineLover 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah man. Taints are like cast iron pots, they have to be seasoned.

[–]PatHeist 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wouldn't a pipe wrench be better suited for a dishwasher ad?

[–]tonny23 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only time your gonna use the pipe wrench is for the one nut that's on the drain I would say a open ended wrench set and a screwdriver would be the most used hand tools (why am I typing this....)

[–]HeresZachy 55ポイント56ポイント  (37子コメント)

"tired of teenagers, dogs, and husbands making a mess in your kitchen?..."

[–]LutherDingle 65ポイント66ポイント  (36子コメント)

couldn't that sentence also be offensive to women, as it assumes women are the only ones who clean?

[–]sisonp 135ポイント136ポイント  (17子コメント)

Everything Can be offensive to everyone

[–]Joshtopher_Biggins 25ポイント26ポイント  (11子コメント)

Micro-invalidation!

[–]spooc 16ポイント17ポイント  (8子コメント)

Uh excuse me. Your comment hurt my feelings because it challenged my political views. Please check this table before commenting on the internet in the future or I'll have to permanently block you for harassing me.

[–]BeginnerLevelFoodie 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

this thread omg WHAT SUBREDDIT AM I IN

[–]DataLoreThrowaway 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

IT'S LIKE /R/FUNNY IS ACTUALLY FUNNY! EVERYONE HIT THE DECK, IT'S THE END OF TIMES!

[–]Kah-Neth 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Tables like this are my trigger.

[–]TheRollsMan 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I just read that and it was absolutely preposterous

[–]AnomalyUndetected 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just read these and there was maybe three valid instances of something you could say that would actually be offensive -- but asking someone what their heritage is is a micro aggression?? Maybe, just maybe, I might be excited to see someone of a different ethnicity move into my culturally homogenous Irish Catholic neighborhood and I want to learn more about them, so I guess I'm a racist.

[–]kliman 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

As someone who doesn't get offended by anything, your statement offends me.

[–]The_Wiseass 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a black man im offended due to how my race was not included in messing up the kitchen, implying that slavery and staying outside and no inside.

/s

[–]xdonutx 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yes, I can't stand commercials like that. Your husband is an adult and your kids are fully capable of running a piece of paper towel over a mess they made. I feel like this notion of women as cleaners of household messes needs to stop propagating. I can't believe that shit flies in this day and age.

I think I would throw my money at a company that pictures a man taking care of his own kids and cleaning his own fucking kitchen.

[–]frankxanders 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

Big part of why ads are like this is because of who shops, not who is doing the chores.

70% of family spending decisions are made by women. So if you're selling household items, market to women.

[–]BeginnerLevelFoodie 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

get out of here with your logic.

[–]xdonutx 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes, I'm aware of this. It's also why I think you shouldn't insult your target demographic by implying their lives should be spent picking up after people.

[–]akj80 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

If it actually insulted most people, they wouldn't do it.

Most people watching a TV show aren't trying to get outraged by a paper towel or dish soap commercial.

[–]noggin-scratcher 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure, wouldn't be the only place where out-dated gender roles are harmful to both men and women.

[–]GrandEdgemaster 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

TRIGGERED

[–]LutherDingle 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

doesn't seem fair to complain about how men are presented in media, but then act flippant when women are able to do the same.

[–]GrandEdgemaster 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I honestly thought you were trolling in your first post, sorry.

I didn't take it as implying that women are necessarily the ones that HAVE to clean the kitchen by virtue of being women, but rather that their husbands are too childish to keep it clean. Sort of like:

"Men, aren't you tired of your wife always leaving hair all over the drain?"

I don't think that's offensive to men, trying to imply that they have to clean the bathroom; it's offensive to women, implying that they are all slobs in the shower.

[–]Flowah 30ポイント31ポイント  (16子コメント)

That doesn't seem entirely relevant to the comic but I'd say it has a dual effect. It makes guys look dumb (and it's hardly limited to white guys. It's just that white people are so overrepresented in media that you think so.)

But it also creates this idea that guys can be out of shape, dumb, incompetent, and still land a capable hotty who will love them forever while still having a job, providing for their families, and living a comfortable middle class life.

[–]wordserious 29ポイント30ポイント  (8子コメント)

I had recently that the reason for this setup is that sitcoms before civil rights, and a little after, tended to be highly prejudiced. All women scatterbrained messes that could only function by command of their wise husbands. All minorities were "the help" or were entertainers or athletes. All blacks were ignorant and lazy. And it's not that they were portrayed like that, it's that those were the reason for the jokes. So for a couple of decades, racial and minority stereotypes were the basis of TV humor.

They had to change that, but they didn't want to lose the old easy sitcom formula of making fun of someone, instead of just being fun (it's not every day that a Jerry Seinfeld or a Louie CK appears). So who could they make fun of? The only acceptable target became the white male. And the dumb incompetent TV husband was born.

[–]Tipop 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

As /u/freerain pointed out below: the Honeymooners. Ran from 1951 to 1955. The Flintstones was based on it. The husbands were the idiots and the wives were the smart ones.

[–]DataLoreThrowaway 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was a subversion of a trope, as it was uncommon back then. Now it's a trope in itself, as it's so common.

That's the shift he's talking about.

[–]rumnscurvy 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

That, and, you know, Homer Simpson happened. Not saying he birthed the whole phenomenon, nothing happens in a context free vacuum, but to me the creation of Homer Simpson as a character, and an archetype, finalizes this concept.

[–]freerain 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

honeymooners

[–]Tipop 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's what I was about to say. The idea that the "stupid husband" is a recent phenomenon is ridiculous. The wives on the Honeymooners were the smart ones and the husbands were the idiots. Fred Flintstone was based on the Honeymooners.

[–]small_havoc 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It goes way back into Medieval literature, but the point wasn't 'stupid' husbands back then, it was 'conniving' or animalistic wives making a fool of the good husband, usually by having an affair. Women were thought to be very sex driven for a time (things shifted from place to place, the medieval period is surprisingly varied), but the ideal was a gorgeous, unobtainable woman. Chaucer's Wife of Bath broke the mold for these stories, by giving a voice to the 'conniving' woman. And she was definitely not put on a pedestal for her actions, but Chaucer even notes that her husband would 'read tales about bad wives' to her, as a sort of lecture (mental beating before the beating). So it shows that even then, a popular form of literature was about women ruining good men's lives, and making fools of them. Popular trope, like.

[–]user6580 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Over represented".

When you sell products to the white market in a country that is 77% white you use white people in the adverts.

Yea, consumerism is racist. Did you know 95% of all people who go camping are white? So naturally all the advertising for campers feature exclusive white people, because why sell to a demographic that isn't going to by your product.

[–]AnomalyUndetected 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But it also creates this idea that guys can be out of shape, dumb, incompetent, and still land a capable hotty who will love them forever while still having a job, providing for their families, and living a comfortable middle class life.

This is yet another example of society setting up unrealistic expectations of me and my life, leading me to intense dissatisfaction and depression. So triggered.

[–]cheddarfire 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

dude, totally this. The only time you'll see a woman be the "stupid" one in a commercial is if there are no men in the ad. Same with race.

[–]Joke_Getter 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Look, if what you're saying is, "we, who have been allowed to vote, run for office, own land, and not be owned ourselves from the moment the country was founded, and who still are hired more often and paid more than everyone else with similar qualifications, found guilty less often, given shorter sentences and put to death less often for identical offenses, and whose privilege is expressly evident a thousand different way every single day, want it acknowledged that we too can have our feelings hurt," then yes, YES, a thousand times, yes, such is granted. Now, can we move the discussion forward at all, or is there anything else we can do for you?

[–]Maclamond 325ポイント326ポイント  (186子コメント)

I had an employee try explaining to me how you couldn't be racist towards white people. She kept telling me to look up the definition of racism...

I also kept telling her to look up the definition.

[–]chaoslink20 108ポイント109ポイント  (109子コメント)

I had a similar conversation with someone before. I asked them if racism wasn't essentially the idea of being prejudiced/discriminatory towards someone based on their skin tone, or other certain factors. They then responded to me by saying "race-ISM! Look it up! It's a system of privilege from which white people benefit!" They were trying to say that the "ism" suffix implies that it's a system; later on I found out this is a definition that is taught in sociology/social science classes.

I personally don't even like using "race" or a colour to really identify someone, because there's really a lot more to an individual than being "black" or "white". So needless to say, that person annoyed me quite a bit.

Edit: Thanks for the responses everyone! I honestly did not expect so many people to reply to my comment; I'm learning a lot about different views on the topic.

[–]EvilTomte 90ポイント91ポイント  (13子コメント)

I personally don't even like using "race" or a colour to really identify someone, because there's really a lot more to an individual than being "black" or "white".

Why not? When I describe my colored (brown) friend to others, the quickest way to do so is to first describe his appearance. What else do you start by saying to someone who doesn't know him?

Like "oh Jimmy? He's the kind, caring and intelligent guy over there in the corner."...

"...who?"

[–]Clue_Balls 56ポイント57ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah, it's not as bad as racism for sure, but it always bothers me when people go out of their way to avoid talking about race as if it somehow doesn't exist.

[–]chaoslink20 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, I would firstly argue that there are more ways than skin tone to actually describe someone (e.g. clothing, or hairstyle), and I certainly would not state personality traits either, as they cannot be seen, as you suggested.

Secondly, when I used to word "identify", I meant it in a context where I would not use mere skin colour to assume and describe the beliefs and viewpoints of the individual at hand. Please excuse me if it may have been the wrong word to use or was more subtle.

[–]EvilTomte 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, well that makes sense. It all depends on the purpose of describing someone by their race, simply put.

[–]Terrh 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

At the same time, if there's one person of whatever race in a room filled with people, what's the easiest way to identify them? It's race.

[–]PM_ME_UR_MOLARS 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was at a BBQ last night and one of my work partners (he is Vietnamese) was there last night with his youngest daughter. My ten year old wanted to play a game with his daughter but was too shy to ask her, and so she was trying to explain to me who it was she wanted to play with because she didn't know her name. There were lots of kids at the BBQ, and so I was going through naming name, then describing them. When I got to the Vietnamese girl I asked my daughter if she looked Vietnamese, or Asian, and she got a horrified look on her face and said "I didn't want to be RACIST!" This is the world we live in folks, our children don't know how to even talk about race because of fear of being racist. My daughter is raised in a household where she doesn't hear racist names, words, comments, etc., but she somehow feels that describing someone by how they look is racist. Maybe this speaks more to the history of America, or perhaps more to our current state of hypersensitivity to anything race/color based.

[–]desertsardine 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How do you describe all your other friends?

[–]TheFrenchCommander 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Barney's brother's first appearance in How i met your mother is a really good example.

[–]PooOnYoureFoot 22ポイント23ポイント  (17子コメント)

You can find videos of black panthers saying, "We have to kill cracker babies!" with a shitload of people responding, "YEAH!"

The fact that multiple different black people in my life have called me a cracker and kicked me out of stores/gas stations/restaurants while stating words along the lines of "leave honkey" or "get the f out cracker" means there is a system of oppression and prejudice that is adhered to by some black individuals.

So yes, there are some black people that adhere to a "system" of racism set up to shit on non black people, therefore black people can in fact be racist.

Not really sure what crack all the dumb-ass professors are smoking, maybe they should go outside once in a while and experience something other than their books.

[–]BenFranklinsCat 9ポイント10ポイント  (74子コメント)

Yep. That's actually the problem I have - I understand the reason behind the definition of an -ism as being a reference to a system of power and dominance, and why that's a good thing.

What people who claim this need to understand is that not everybody understands that definition, and if you don't understand that definition, flatly stating "you can't be sexist against men" is quite hurtful.

[–]chaoslink20 28ポイント29ポイント  (70子コメント)

I think one of the biggest issues I have with the ideas that "you cannot be racist towards 'white' people" or "you cannot be sexist towards men" is that a lot of these people defending such statements are using examples of what certain people's ancestors may have done long before they, as individuals, were born; such as people with a light skin colour enslaving those who had darker skin, many years ago.

The issue I have with this line of thinking is that they assume their descendants are carrying the same ideological viewpoints or mentalities as their ancestors, or that they specifically are at fault for an action that was committed simply by someone that they have a close genetic link to.

[–]DoesTheNameGoHere 53ポイント54ポイント  (10子コメント)

It's really annoying when people tell me my ancestors were slave drivers. no. they were farmers in Ireland, where there were no black people at all, including slaves.

[–]lll_lll_lll 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

Even for those with deep American ancestry, only the richest 6% of whites owned slaves.

Slaves were expensive, and there were far fewer of them than there were whites. It's not like each white person had their own personal slave.

Rich plantation owners each owned many, while the poor whites, the vast majority, worked their own land. If you don't come from a rich line, chances are your direct ancestors were not slave drivers.

[–]yngradthegiant 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

My family just happens to have been rich slave traders in the south up until slavery was abolished. That doesn't mean someone should be able to hold it against me, since that happened more than a century before I or my parents were born. I've never done anything terrible to someone based on their race, some of my ancestors that are long dead did.

[–]skabbo 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've had a fucking dumbass SJW exchange student say the same thing to me in Australia. To to top it off, I'm of Greek ancestry.

[–]krainboltgreene 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uh, Greeks had a ton of slaves. Of all kinds.

[–]hugthemachines 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can tell them your ancestors were african! Since Africa is the origin of humans. ;-)

[–]ghosthustler 13ポイント14ポイント  (14子コメント)

The idea isn't that modern white people hold the same mentalities as racist white people generations back, but that those people built a system from which modern white people benefit.

Like someone building a house that their ancestors live in.

[–]chaoslink20 14ポイント15ポイント  (11子コメント)

I understand that, but what boggles my mind about this is how 'white' people from impoverished areas and less well off backgrounds are then factored in. Also, to my understanding, the identification of someone's skin tone can be quite relative as well. I know someone who is of middle-eastern descent, that is considered "white" by some, and "brown" by others.

[–]puppyciao 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

Not to make it sound like a pissing contest, but it's because they still have the white thing going for them. White men are thought of as the default. Generally, the target demographic of mainstream American media, advertising, etc. is a white man. A rich black dude is going to have a MUCH better life (financially, at least) than a poor white guy, just because of the fact that white privilege is still a thing. Class, race, sex and sexuality all factor together in a weird formula to make up how well off a person will be or be treated. I'm upper-middle class, white, female and straight, so my life is pretty good. But I face a lot of sexism, especially in the form of cat calling, probably more so than an upper-middle class straight white male. This isn't to say men never face discrimination for being men.

It's more of what you don't see than what you do.

ETA: clarification, examples, grammar

[–]Therval 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not saying that its right, but at least in America, isn't it safe to assume that your audience is white? Whites make up 77% of the US population according to 2010 census data.

I've got nothing on the assumed gender/sex part, though, as women slightly outnumber men.

[–]nomstomp 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Right--The bit you have to explain to those who don't yet understand this is that, yes, as a man or white man you can be discriminated against, bad things can befall you, you can be poor, you can be hurt/abused/demeaned/sexually assaulted/raped/bullied, etc. Anyone who says otherwise is being disingenuous or is undereducated on the very point they are trying to make. However, an entire system of power as it relates to gender and race is not tiered against you from birth. Historically, you benefit in certain respects from your gender and race if you are a) male, b) white. You are considered the "default human" (fucked up if you look at this as a woman, gender-fluid person, POC, etc..--people who will never be "default").

To give an example of a common misunderstanding or what I view as a lack of awareness really. I'm a writing tutor. Something I have to deal with all the time is when students write "mankind" or "man" in the generalizing sense, that is, making some point about humanity. I explain to students (college age) that it's not offensive to me, per se, but it is at this point antiquated. Why? Because it is now considered more inclusive to say "humankind" or "humans." I shit you not, probably two-thirds of the students I have this conversation with counter my explanation with, "Oh, but I prefer 'mankind/man/men' because it sounds better," or, my favorite, "sounds more powerful." YES, it sounds more powerful, because men are associated with power! This is not what I respond with, however. I typically respond, "Yes, I'm aware you may enjoy the aesthetic better, and I'm not here to correct you, but I am here to tell you there is a more inclusive term you could use and to point out to you why you might choose to move past an antiquated, exclusive word that reads 'men=stand-in word for humans'." That "man" is a stand-in for human means, of course, man is the default human. You would never see "womankind" used in the same sense "mankind" is used.

Once you are a little more aware of what's behind this argument, you understand... Historically, men have been favored by many cultures around the world. Still today, men are looked at as "default" human beings, although this very default position is not all that clear to many people. It's invisible status in more than one way--because it's accepted as normal. Whiteness is another level to this. People like Toni Morrison are described as "black writers"--not just "writers." Writers are white. The white is silent.

edit: expanded a point a bit

[–]Terrh 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

But even that idea is incorrect, i benefited nothing from my color period. In fact, being white has harmed me by preventing me from getting scholarships that i otherwise qualified for.

[–]TheLaramieReject 9ポイント10ポイント  (16子コメント)

You don't have to carry your ancestor's views in order to benefit from your ancestor's privilege. If holding slaves meant that your ancestors made more money, and they used that money to educate their children and leave them an inheritance, and then those kids used their inheritance to educate their kids and buy property or investments to leave when they died, and so on down the line until it got to you, you benefited from slavery. On the other side of the coin, if your great-great-grandparents were slaves and had nothing, they left their children nothing. Those children might have done a little better, but they still probably didn't accumulate much to pass on. Following that to the present generation, it stands to reason that the descendants of a slave owner are going to be much better off than the descendants of a slave. Add into that that for much of the 20th century anybody who looked like their grandparents might have owned slaves was institutionally advantaged against anybody who looked like their grandparents might have been slaves and you have a recipe for lasting inequality.

[–]mully_and_sculder 7ポイント8ポイント  (15子コメント)

It is far easier to piss away your privilege than it is to drag yourself out of poverty. I'd much rather say that black people are disadvantaged from their ancestry than white people are privileged from theirs.

[–]puppyciao 4ポイント5ポイント  (24子コメント)

It's not that they assume a white person is carrying the same ideological viewpoints as their ancestors or are at any fault. It's that white privilege is a thing.

I'm Polish and Latvian. My ancestors never owned slaves and came to America in the early 1900's poor as dirt and treated like crap for being thought of as lesser than Anglo-Americans. My great-grandfather changed our last name to sound more American and less ethnic. I still have white privilege because I'm white.

It's just a problem of people thinking of the TECHNICAL DICTIONARY definition vs the definition with sociological context. There should probably be a separate word for it, but then you'd have to do that for a lot of things. They're talking about institutional racism, power dynamics, etc.

Maybe a poor example but it's like how the dictionary definition of feminism is "the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men" but in the real world, where we don't exist in a vacuum, feminism has a multitude of forms and meanings that extend beyond that (though don't stray from that basic principle, in my opinion).

[–]JustAMinuteAnHourAgo 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem is that they are describing a racist system or racist institution by using the word racism. Racism on its own is the idea of the superiority of one race over another or that certain qualities are inherent to a large group of people based on some surface level similarity, a system of racism is one that incorporates that idea on a wide scale, societal level. So if they were to say, "the racist institution in white majority countries benefits whites over non whites" then they would be right, but it's still very possible to hold ideas that are racist against whites. Some people who do this should just reword what they mean when they are talking about institutions rather than individuals, but I think a lot of people are just confused by the teaching of this new definition of racism. The people who came up with this are changing the popular use of words to suit their own purposes. The definition of racism as institutional racism means you can say all whites are racist because they benefit from the system, and minorities can't be racist because they don't.

[–]Yrcrazypa 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if you understand that definition, it's still stupid to say it.

[–]gourmetprincipito 66ポイント67ポイント  (28子コメント)

The ridiculous thing is that their definition of racism is an important idea that needs to be discussed on a culture-wide level, but we can't even start talking about it because someone decided to try to hijack an already existing word instead of coming up with a different one. I don't care if you have the best idea for a chicken and titty place in the world, we can't call it Hooters.

[–]reacher 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

There was a place like this in Clearwater, FL my dad loved going to. It was called Mugs 'n' Jugs

[–]WritersLego 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It closed, but they are opening a new one in Tarpon Springs I believe. Source: local

[–]iambecomedownvote 15ポイント16ポイント  (12子コメント)

There was a posting on reddit recently about vaginas. It started with the text: "vaginas are a body part that some people have" (emphasis mine).

If only there were a term for those people...

[–]swogie 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah obviously they're called vagin-owners

[–]sln26 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not sure if you're kidding but there are certain groups which legit want terminology like this.

NYTimes article

“Even the word “woman” has come under assault by some of the very people who claim the right to be considered women. The hashtags #StandWithTexasWomen, popularized after Wendy Davis, then a state senator, attempted to filibuster the Texas Legislature to prevent passage of a draconian anti-abortion law, and #WeTrustWomen, are also under attack since they, too, are exclusionary.

Abortion rights and reproductive justice is not a women’s issue,” wrote Emmett Stoffer, one of many self-described transgender persons to blog on the topic. It is “a uterus owner’s issue.”

[–]Draffut2012 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Holy shit that's dumb. Lumping all uterus owner's together like that. Just because you have one doesn't mean you can have children. What a belittling scumbag.

[–]Wallace_Grover 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, they're not wrong.

[–]Lots42 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have one. In my freezer.

[–]everfalling 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

The problem is that people who think that way are really just lumping systemic racism into the single term racism so when you try to say it's possible to be racist against white people they disagree. It's either impossible, or very very highly unlikely, to be systematically racist toward whites but it's not on a personal level.

[–]countmontecristo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That analogy is awesome haha and it works too!

[–]manamachine 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, it's this. Oppression, lack of privilege, etc. It's really a battle of semantics, but you alienate people who would otherwise be allies when you tell them their experiences aren't valid.

[–]SnowLoco 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Racism - the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

[–]Fangqaz 41ポイント42ポイント  (9子コメント)

I took sociology in highschool (2003) and the textbook definition of sexism specifically mentioned it being against women.

I argued the definition with my black female teacher and she wouldn't back down.

I wasn't surprised at all when we got to racism that she specifically excluded white people as targets.

It was not a good year.

[–]swogie 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Considering that contemporary feminism was born from sociological academia, that definition of sexism in a sociology classroom makes a lot of sense.

[–]puppyciao 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It was the textbook sociological definition, not the Merriam-Webster's definition. She was right in this instance. Context matters.

[–]B0BtheDestroyer 26ポイント27ポイント  (10子コメント)

She was probably referring to the definition of racism that racism is racial prejudice supported by systemic power. This is an extremely common understanding of racism at least in the field of sociology and in communities of people of color. By this definition, you can't be racist against white people, at least not in the U.S. You can be prejudiced against white people, but calling it racism attempts to name a power structure that supports racial prejudice against white people. If you want to make a case for racism against white people to your employee, you should try to tell her that you think prejudice against white people is rewarded by a system of power. That's a tough case to make.

[–]xX_Badonkadonk_Xx 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

Surely that's already referred to as institutional racism though, isn't it?

[–]swogie 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

At least in a sociological context, the abandonment of "institutional" is to illustrate that these concepts go further than institutions. Power structures are based on collective subconscious thought, social organization, and group or team dynamics. Racism did not originate in institutions, it's the people who create and support institutions and the biases they bring to their creation and support that are the problem.

[–]shitlord_lucan 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

So you can't call someone racist unless they have systemic power? So if you were white, but also a homeless crackhead, you couldn't be racist because you don't have any systemic power?

[–]Dr_octopus 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is what I've heard, which is understandable because more often than not, racism in the U.S. is and has been mainly against blacks. However, this does not mean discrimination based on race cannot exist against a certain race.

[–]TGBKyle 33ポイント34ポイント  (13子コメント)

So, I had a conversation with someone who believed you couldn't be racist towards white people. The argument is that you CAN be racist towards white people, but the words and or actions don't carry the same weight.

So if a black person hates a white person, nothing happens.

If a white person hates black people, they have more power to ruin their lives?

I'm still confused on the subject, but that was their argument.

[–]Tipop 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

That argument is about institutional racism as opposed to individual racism.

[–]TheOriginalRaconteur 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let's me explain it another way.

If you think your boss is an idiot, you can't do shit. If your boss thinks you are an idiot, they can fire you.

That is a power imbalance. Now, it's one you've agreed to because you want the money, but things like race and sex are power imbalances that people are born into.

Does that make sense?

[–]Ziphoblat 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

So when my girlfriend and I had a large glass bottle thrown at us by a group of Pakistanis because we were white, my worrying about the situation was unnecessary as due to racial power structures the Pakistanis lacked the agency to do any physical harm with the bottle so nothing bad could have happened? Neat!

[–]guesses_gender_bot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

White people aren't as offended by petty racism because we know petty racism doesn't stop us from being successful. Hell, even full blown racism often doesn't. Look at natives and casinos, or polish/Irish immigrants and how they are today after a generation of suffering. I find the ones that get most offended are just projecting because they know they're talentless hacks that will never have nice things.

[–]ASK_IF_I_LiKE_TRAINS 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you still make YouTube videos? I used to watch you a few years ago.

[–]WillowNiffler 91ポイント92ポイント  (73子コメント)

I had a teacher who spoke about racism a lot. He spoke a lot about reverse-racism, and why one can't be racist towards white people. He said racism stems from privileged and power; the dominant race can be racist, but you can't be racist to the dominant.

I for one don't know where I stand here. While that makes a lot of sense to me, I believe racism is about skin color and ethical background rather than placement in power.

[–]JuicemaN16 93ポイント94ポイント  (4子コメント)

Naw, that's pretty much the biggest crock of BS ever. Racism is racism.

That's like saying it's OK for a smaller dude to go up to a big guy and punch him but the big guy can't punch back. Or that it's OK for women to hit men but men can't hit back.

You just simply don't do any of it, period.

[–]canismellyodick 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

Any hatred stemming from the fact that someone is a different race than the person saying/doing something is racist. Doesn't matter who you are or what you look like.

[–]JuicemaN16 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the thought that the "minority" is allowed a level of racism is just an excuse to justify their own racism towards others.

[–]DoesTheNameGoHere 81ポイント82ポイント  (22子コメント)

this whole racism=power thing has really only propped up in the last few years. it's also a piss poor excuse. how is being prejudice somehow better than being racist?

[–]hugthemachines 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

That depends. If a manager denies a man work because he is black. It is worse than if a guy imagines all mexicans likes Tequila.

[–]DoesTheNameGoHere 47ポイント48ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yes. It is.

A black manager denying a white man work is also worse than imagining all Mexicans like tequila. Or all Irishmen like whiskey.

Edit: Let me clarify. Believing stereotypes is hardly even prejudice. However, believing all whites are trash, is absolutely no different from believing all blacks are trash. Both of which are equally racist.

[–]DarthZarth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not racist though, that's stereotyping, and those are two different things. Stereotyping comes from a lack of education on the world through experiences, racism comes from a person either felling like they are being prejudiced against by a race, and therefore discriminating against said race, or someone felling better than another simply because they look different, witch is a way of thinking problem.

[–]lolmonger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey, just a small thing:

"being prejudiced*"

Same deal with bias/biased

Someone with prejudices is prejudiced. They may have some particular prejudice against someone else.

[–]NonsensicalOrange 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I for one don't know where I stand here.

Racism is defined as prejudice due to race. All people identify with others based on what they have in common (i.e. race), everybody acts prejudice in one form or another, any person has the capacity to be racist. To claim that one race is too good to be racist, is to be racist.

The other factor people fail to consider is how absolutely narrow-minded these perspectives are. American history isn't world history, white people are a minority in most countries. When you talk about the wealth & power that "white people" have, you generally talk about national prospects, white & black people in the US get paid a lot more than white & black people in Zimbabwe.

European powers were more powerful than most other cultures, they did use this to their advantage. But look back at the wider picture, when black people were being sold into slavery by their brethren - white people were also being taken as slaves by debtors & arabs, when white people fought other people - those people fought them too & Europeans fought themselves more than anyone else... White people is a category that includes so many different people - there are white homosexuals, jews, disabled, many white people have faced abuses (some personal, some much bigger), many live in poverty, it is silly to stamp privilege on hundreds of millions of people.

[–]Orchid-Chaos_is_me 28ポイント29ポイント  (11子コメント)

I think this is best explained with some economic terms.

Macro-racism is what the teacher would be talking about in that particular example, an oppressed community does not have the power to oppress the dominant culture, and whatever racism it displays.

Micro-racism however relates to individual power, where a teacher can display racism in a classroom regardless of the greater social context, because they are in that situation, the dominant one.

[–]spooc 30ポイント31ポイント  (5子コメント)

Here's a better definition: "Racism is being dick to someone because of their race. Don't be a dick."

Benefits: No need to study critical theory for 100s of hours to understand. 5 year olds get it.

[–]bakemaster 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Macro-racism is when Koreans are better than you at Starcraft II.

Micro-racism is when Koreans are better than you at League of Legends.

[–]Sylvester_Scott 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Macro-racism"

This term reminds me of the great need to invent a button by which I can punch someone in the face over the Internet.

[–]beansaregood 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't that a bit of a macro-reaction?

[–]elbenji 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh, it makes things easier. What would be better "Racism in the wider context?"

[–]Procyonid 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's talking about institutional racism, which is certainly way more of a problem than just the average random person of whatever race hating people of a different race, but trying to change definitions to change the debate isn't helpful. Our society has a lot of things to fix when it comes to institutional bias, but changing the debate by pretending plain old garden variety racism doesn't exist is fundamentally dishonest.

[–]40charsMax 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That actually made me think a little.

[–]KoboldCommando 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The issue I see, and I see it coming up over and over, is people conflating the ideas of race, culture, and social status. Yes, the three may have a degree of influence over one another, but mixing the terms or implying they're the same is, well, racist. And usually classist and culturally insensitive to boot.

[–]FoboBoggins 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

thats just racisit in itself

[–]Wallace_II 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

Well I'm white and have no power over anyone. But, we have a black president, and there are corporations with a black CEO. I'm not sure where in a modern society white people have power over black people. The only disadvantages black people have are the same that I have. If you are born in poverty it doesn't matter if you are black or white, you still have to work hard to get where you want to go in life. This whole idea of racism being more about class is just another way to blame someone else when black people fuck up their lives.

[–]snowcrash512 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Shhhhhh! We like to pretend that poor white people dont exist in this country, white people are all rich and hate anybody that isnt white, get with the times.

[–]Wallace_II 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

That reminds me.. I need to get my nazi arm band and confederate flag detailed. Then I'll come home to my tiny 6 bedroom 3 bathroom house. I can only afford 1 part time maid, so some days I have to do my own dishes... life is so hard as a poor white man... /s (please note that none of this is true.. I live in a $400 a month house and barely scrape by some weeks.)

[–]snowcrash512 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Join the 200 dollar apartment master race, were having ramen noodles at this months gathering.

[–]elbenji 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's more institutional. It's not that black people don't have like individual power, or latinos, or anyone, it's that...for example, a lot of black people live in shitty places and have for generations? Why? After WWII, that was the only place they could get after zoning laws and white fright. Then drugs because poverty.

It's less about fucking up their own lives than, if Dad was a drug addict, kid doesn't learn much more than being a drug addict. That shit hurting the kids is the bigger problem. Watch the Wire dude, it basically explains that in detail.

Or, for example, the one successful guy in your block is the drug dealer. Like, that shit warps a kids view of things.

It's the same thing for the kid who grows up watching his Dad drink his life away in their trailer in Nebraska, or smoking meth.

[–]w1n5t0nM1k3y 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

There's different ways of looking at it though. There's racism in just worlds that are said. Like, [Insert non-dominant race here] are all stupid and good for nothing, then most people would find it racist. But if you insert "the members of congress" or "rich white men" in there, people wouldn't find it so offensive. If on the other hand, somebody is applying to a job, and you said you wouldn't hire them specifically because they were white, black, male, or female, then most people would think it's deplorable regardless of which of the specific cases it was.

[–]elbenji 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yup.

Acceptable targets!

For example, people wouldn't get outraged by Al Bundy's existence, but if you made him black...

[–]DarthZarth 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think that's what he just said, he said that racism is discrimination against any race, and it's equally bad in each case, no matter of the race discriminated against, weather that race is white, black, Asian, or Martian, it doesn't matter

[–]rabidbot 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

People that say shit like that are just trying to justify their own hate to themselves and others.

[–]Manakel93 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Power + prejudice as a definition of racism is meaningless. Power is highly contextual and can change based on the situation.

[–]Socific 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So what your professor is saying is that it is possible to be racist against whites - if you're in South Africa, where the dominant race is black and whites are oppressed.

And going further, that in South Africa, you can't be racist against blacks, only prejudiced, because they hold so much power.

[–]anticiperectshun 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's an operational definition for a sociological argument. It's not applicable, in my opinion, to regular conversation because you create too many restrictions by relying on petty semantics. .

[–]Shadowranger13 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

My experience was the head of HR where I used to work tell me that we could not use the word "Cracker" in the workplace as it was offensive to black people. Even though she and I were both Florida natives and I had always thought it came about as a result of the first cowboy settlers here using the whips to herd cattle and keep the rattlesnakes at bay and that is was actually a racial slur against white people for obvious reasons. She explained to me that she was told it's the term that African-Americans use to describe white folk to remind them of the whips used against them in slavery...

[–]Lots42 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I ever find a black person that was a slave, I will not use the word 'cracker' around them.

[–]kappaprincess 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

This logic is always funny to see being applied world wide by Americans. White people are being oppressed by other white people in Europe even today. But no, it's not racism because they're white, right?

[–]elbenji 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope, it's still racist.

People just don't get that it's supposed to be applied on the micro level and not the macro except when talking about the state.

The shit the Basque, Albanians and the Roma deal with on the daily is still racist.

[–]slightlydENTed 72ポイント73ポイント  (12子コメント)

"I'll just take two popular opinions often expressed on the frontpage of Reddit and fit them into a comic."

[–]furtivepigmyso 75ポイント76ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm not really even sure what your point is. This wasn't attempting to be edgy. It's as if you're suggesting no popular opinion is allowed to be referenced.

[–]Garviel_Loken95 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think they're implying it's pandering

[–]huehueheuhue 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

The cool thing now is to counterjerk. It's how we know we're still better than everyone, especially redditors, "redditors" of course doesn't include me.

[–]rocker5743 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's weird how much people make this a part if their identity. It's just a website I waste time on and enjoy using.

[–]tonny23 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

"COPS ARE BAD" is pretty in right now too

[–]TacCom 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

The counterjerk is the highly upvoted pictures of cops supposedly giving kids iron on badges in the mail

[–]sfoxy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Today its the cop that didn't pull his gun on someone who has their hand on a gun.

[–]CaptainWeekend 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So the cool thing to do now is to counter the counterculture? Dear god we've gone full circle.

[–]VioletWinters 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, it probably happens with unpopular opinions too. The only difference is that you never see the unpopular ones because theyre never upvoted

[–]Reali5t 15ポイント16ポイント  (11子コメント)

Adult white men who aren't military/veterans, aren't disabled and aren't retired are the only group of people that aren't protected by some kind of discrimination/harassment law in the US.

[–]Riverrun_past_eve 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

except for sexual harassment laws, sexual discrimination laws, workplace safety laws, fair housing laws (income discrimination)...breath into the paper bag

[–]strangea 10ポイント11ポイント  (7子コメント)

You can't say retarded on the internet anymore.

[–]Dxhexicity 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I like these comics, is there a site/subreddit for them?

[–]TheOriginalRaconteur 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

It astounds me that, despite virtually the ENTIRE ACADEMIC COMMUNITY being in agreement about this, most Redditors still dig in their heels and scream whenever someone tries to point this fact out.

You guys are like the anti-vaxxers of the social sciences.

Racism and sexism are systemic, meaning they go far beyond an individuals personal beliefs and prejudices. While it is entirely possible to have racial hatreds towards whites, and prejudices against men, these are personal prejudices. You can't have a systemic oppression of the dominant social group, otherwise they wouldn't be dominant.

Why is it so hard for redditors to understand that racism and racial prejudice are different things? It's like you're holding your hands over your ears and screaming "nah nah nah" rather than listen to the fucking professionals tell you you're wrong. I get that you want to use the more emotionally charged sounding words, but you're using them wrong.

[–]CastrolGTX 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

Can you not have a shared prejudice across a culture against another without having power over it? Can railing against the dominant group not take on a life of it's own and become a systematized, if powerless, prejudice? To say it can't is to say that all criticism against the powerful group is justified as means to the end of social change regardless of its actual merit.

Besides, everyone uses the word racism to simply mean prejudice, and the dictionary doesn't say anything about needing to have power to be racist.

[–]gregsg 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's the same monkeyshit crazy little rich white boy persecution complex on a tape loop -- that's what reddit is now: the international stomping ground of all the pedos, racists, misogynists and other socially dysfunctional shitheels that were thrown out of everywhere else

just wait a few weeks -- I bet next it'll be "heterophobia" once friendzone week is up

[–]Mecha_Derp 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Safe bet this is top post for the Cheeto lords on SRS

[–]Lots42 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, no. This entire comment section is retarded.