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[–]jgardnerReagan Conservative 92ポイント93ポイント  (37子コメント)

What's sad is this technology, just like smart phones, could be much more affordable if we let the market do its job instead of writing rules and regulations and funding and fining and everything else.

[–]AKSasquatchLibertarian Atheist 33ポイント34ポイント  (15子コメント)

Imagine if the cable companies could go wherever they wanted instead of having a monopoly over areas, I imagine cable would be cheaper.

[–]legalizehazing 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know several employees of our local cable. In all seriousness they could build a space shuttle with the waste, from scrap, with current cable repairman level knowledge. That's a security no one should be able to buy

[–]snayta 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you seriously asserting that the employees of your local cable company, using cat 5 cable, some satellite dishes, and a cable box could build a level 5 clean room. Then build a space craft capable of attaining low earth orbit whilst keeping those inside alive in the vacuum of space? Damn I guess that pothead I went to high school with should have been an astrophysicist instead of a cable guy.

[–]NumenoreanMunky 3ポイント4ポイント  (12子コメント)

I believe they have an area monopoly just like power companies due to infrastructure. It reduces how many cable/power lines that are needed.

[–]dcman00000 11ポイント12ポイント  (11子コメント)

they're called "natural monopolies", they are rare but they do exist.

Comcast and their ilk have argued that they are natural monopolies.

As someone with a degree in economics its a persuasive argument, but I'm not sure if they truly make the cut.

Texas has an interesting policy in regards to their electric utilities where the lines are publicly owned, but the power companies compete for the business over those lines.

So in Texas people can get deals like free nights and weekends for example for their electricity. I think it may make sense to do something like that for other examples of natural monopolies....maybe

[–]Tullyswimmer### 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

So in Texas people can get deals like free nights and weekends for example for their electricity. I think it may make sense to do something like that for other examples of natural monopolies....maybe

I would generally agree with comcast arguing that it's a natural monopoly. And I may be biased because I worked at a cable company, but the reality is, shit ain't cheap. That's a single card, with 20 Gb of bandwidth. Not including chassis, licenses, power supplies, fan modules, the power/HVAC redundancy and support several of these would take... Most major service providers are running several hundred Gb of bandwidth.

Plus, my current job just got quoted $5000 to run two pole's worth of fiber - The real cost to the service provider is probably about $3000 but still. That's for ONE pole. Spaced at 125 feet typically, you can get an idea of just how expensive running fiber really is. After all there are about 42 poles per mile.

I won't argue that comcast and co. can be huge dicks about price and service. But honestly, if anyone even wanted to use existing fiber (and a lot of it's fairly full, especially in cities), I don't see a way they could possibly be cheaper than the existing companies.

[–]dcman00000 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I can go either way on this subject

[–]Mier- 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jesus you guys and your logic. Just cut it out already before someone has to go to a safe zone.

[–]Willssss 6ポイント7ポイント  (14子コメント)

What regulations should we repeal to make healthcare costs go down?

[–]Bordo12 22ポイント23ポイント  (8子コメント)

Purchasing over state line. Increase competition. This increases customer service while reducing costs.

Remove government administration. How much money is sent to the government personal to sit and make sure you do your job correctly?

[–]bryanlharris 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

sit

Key word right there. All these people voting for more government have no idea what the government employee actually does to earn his six figure income.

[–]Bordo12 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's like the IRS. We pay the IRS to, in turn, make sure we are paying them properly. Eliminate the IRS by implimenting a flat tax!

[–]sucka_puncha 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I shit you not, the argument I heard from a serious proponent of allowing insurance across state lines what that it was a license for people to be underinsured because of different requirements between states.

What the fuck? Why not trust people to be grownups and pick what they want.

[–]Bordo12 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We live in an entitlement society. No thinking for yourself. No making you own decisions. No making you own success story.

[–]KuztomX 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course, he wasn't expecting there to be a valid answer. I'm sure he has been brainwashed enough by the Left to believe that socialized care is the only option.

[–]MithrilTuxedoNeoprudentist[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Purchasing over state line.

When did that become a restriction?

[–]jgardnerReagan Conservative 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

State by state. Here in Washington State, we sued the bejebus out of Health Insurance companies. Now, if we allowed out-of-state insurance providers, then we couldn't sue them in state court, and they'd skate in federal court. The state constitution forbids discrimination for arbitrary reasons, so they had to shut down out-of-state insurance altogether. Our state's story isn't much different than many others were democrats ran roughshod over our freedoms to buy the health insurance we want.

[–]unalienable1776 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hospital and doctor liability for one. They run far too many test, a lot of those are unnecessary and the just to be safe and so they can't get sued. Asking people to name regulations off the top doesn't prove anything. Healthcare makes up 1/6th of the economy or something close. You can bet your ass they're an abundance of unnecessary regulations and general bureaucracy.

[–]MithrilTuxedoNeoprudentist[🍰] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was about to say tort reform, patent reform, tighter FDA regulations... but repeal... pharmaceutical companies already spend most of their lobbying power trying to do just that.

They also spend a little bit of their money keeping one regulation in place, the one against marijuana, so I guess that's something that can be repealed and improve healthcare costs.

[–]jgardnerReagan Conservative 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Short list:

  • End government licensing. If you want to demonstrate that you have the ability to perform medicine, go get licensed by a reputable third party. (See: UA). Hiding behind a state license and the good name of the government is criminal. You're stealing something that is not yours --- reputation.
  • End the FDA. If you want to ensure a medical practice or medicine is safe, use a third party. Again, hiding behind the reputation of the government is criminal.
  • End arbitrary restrictions on who is allowed to open medical schools where. Let supply and demand meet. Third parties can certify schools if they want.
  • End restrictions and zoning regulations on where medical facilities can be opened. Most of our cities have far outgrown the hospitals they have, but thanks to past laws they cannot open more.
  • End laws forcing hospitals to provide emergency care. This is bankrupting hospitals and provides perverse incentives. If you need help and don't have money, you can only beg for help. (There will be people to provide it, of course, because Americans are nice people.) You should have set aside some of your income and money for when you would be sick. It's not my responsibility to take care of people who don't take care of themselves.
  • Rewrite tort law so that doctors stand trial in front of a jury of their peers --- other doctors. Limit payouts to something reasonable. It makes no sense to award anyone more than a million dollars for bodily or emotional harm. I don't care what the legal fees are.
  • Eliminate all regulations surrounding health insurance, especially tax breaks for businesses that offer health insurance. (Replace it with a comparable across-the-board tax break.) If you want health insurance, go to the marketplace with everyone else. If everyone, including the elderly, the poor, the soldiers, the workers and the rich, all participate in the same market, costs will go down as volume goes up.
  • Allow the import of health insurance from out of state and out of country. If you want health insurance from the Bahamas, you can have it.
  • End funding of the VA and medicare / medicaid. Instead, write a lump-sum check to veterans and the elderly. If they want to spend it on medical care, they can. If not, then let them make their own decisions. We simply cannot continue with these unfunded mandates. It will bankrupt us. For veterans, it can be as simple as if you are found to have a disease or something related to your service, then you get cut a one-time check as compensation. Lose a leg in the service, get $500k. No long-term medical care, just the money.

The idea is basically this: When it comes to medical care, there is only you. If you want to spend your money on top doctors and treatment, you should be free to do so. If you'd rather spend your money on fast cars and booze and drugs, don't expect those of us who are saving for a rainy day to bail you out. If you end up wrapped around a tree, and it turns out the hospital has no hope of getting compensated for fixing you up, then you're going to die. All those bad choices about how you spent your time and money caught up to you, and it cost you your life. So take some time to get some health insurance so that when you do end up wrapped around a tree, there will be a team of doctors and nurses, staffed and supplied, ready to assist you. If that means you have to get a little more educated and work a few extra hours, or pour some more sweat, blood and tears into making money, then do it. Because there are a lot of people pouring sweat, blood and tears into developing cures and training themselves to be there when you need them most. Why should you get a free ride?

But don't worry: Once we get government out of the equation, health care and health insurance prices will drop like a rock.

[–]JordanCardwell 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If we ever get to the point where having a smartphone is considered a "right" then you can kiss that goodbye as well.

[–]Oppenheimerdinger -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is a ludicrous notion. The market "did its job" in the late 19th and early 20th century and we had monopolies with the workers suffering. Something like 4 companies controlled everything. How does that at all seem beneficial for normal citizens? Yes, let's remove regulations so we can be paid in company tokens only usable at the company store.

[–]jgardnerReagan Conservative -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

The late 19th and 20th Centuries saw the death of poverty in the US.

Would you rather be a dirt farmer on the edge of death and disease, or living in a modern society as a "suffering worker" with "monopolies"?

It seems the rest of the world is voting and they'd rather take what we have.

[–]Oppenheimerdinger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is what your precious free market will do when left alone. Laissez-faire doesn't work. It never works, it will never work. Stop thinking that the market should dictate everything. If not for government regulation, we'd all still be working ridiculous hours for even less pay. Our children would be in the factories. The rest of the world IS NOT voting and wanting what we have.
http://countrystudies.us/united-states/history-82.htm http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3406401046.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_history_of_the_United_States#Organized_labor_1900.E2.80.931920

[–]bryanlharris 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ironically cancer rates skyrocketed after a democrat in charge of a committee for malnutrition decided he should expand the committee's scope and include nutrition policy for the entire country. The deciding factor for the main focus of the food guide was to offset the costs of food stamps.

You could not make this stuff up.

“With her science-based food guide looking like it had just been rearranged by Picasso, Light was horrified. She predicted—in fervent protests to her supervisor—that these “adjustments” would turn America’s health into an inevitable train wreck. Her opinion of the grain-centric recommendations was that “no one needs that much bread and cereal in a day unless they are longshoremen or football players,” and that giving Americans a free starch-gorging pass would unleash an unprecedented epidemic of obesity and diabetes.6

But despite her concerns, Light was the lone wolf howling at the untouchable moon that is public policy. The only justification she’d been given was that the changes would help curb the cost of the food stamp program: fruits and vegetables were expensive, the head of Light’s division explained—and from a nutritional standpoint, the USDA considered them somewhat interchangeable with grains. Emphasizing the latter in the American diet would help food assistance programs stay within budget without causing deficiency.”

Excerpt From: Denise Minger. “Death by Food Pyramid.”

[–]well_here_I_amReagan Conservative 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should read The Big Fat Surprise. It also has government bullshit that has screwed America.

[–]waitnotryagain 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit this is a revalation! Thanks for sharing.

[–]DRKMSTR 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

The biggest problem with price is the government.

From a Doctor: https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/3dngld/this_is_the_cost_of_a_rattlesnake_bite_in_america/ct71jme

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

And then of course there's the guy who's oblivious to the quality of care he gets compared to the US (and the cost of said inferior care).

[–]DRKMSTR 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Darnit, I can't believe I was charged $50,000 for staying in the best hospital in the country where they re-attached my arm....they could've done the same thing in russia for half the price.

The difference: He has a 50% better survival rate, he'll be able to feel stuff and use his hand, and he'll likely not die from future complications.

But then again, who could argue with half the price?

[–]PatriotsFTWLibertarian 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's a paragraph and a half for an image macro. Also don't worry dems, socialist Bernie Sanders will give you everything for free!

[–]michaelnc4444 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is a beautiful. The idea that anything "should" be free because someone thinks it is easy just infuriates me. It's no different than the free internet argument, or the free college argument, or any other, "it should be free" argument.

In order for the service to exist it takes untold amounts of money and people and resources, but just because you want it, it should be free and free in any quantity?

What if people stopped becoming doctors, and the number of doctors started to diminish? Instead of one doctor per 1000 patients, it could become one doctor to 1,000,000 people. Those doctors don't want to work 24/7 for free, but if healthcare is a right that's basically what happens, you turn those doctors into slaves. Or worse yet, what if people stop producing altogether, I mean, why produce when you can get food, shelter, internet, healthcare, phone, clothes, school, pretty much everything you could want for nothing and not produce anything in return. Wouldn't that make it so people who do produce just get sick of having to provide their more and more of their time and services for ever shrinking amounts of money, do we then start forcing them to do those jobs because someone needs to do them?

[–]bryanlharris 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

What if people stopped becoming doctors, and the number of doctors started to diminish?

That's already happening. Read some of Dr Eades' comments here:

[–]Sumner67 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

happening all around the US. Many started shutting office doors when the government tried to force the new medicaid reimbursement levels on them from Obamacare. Who the hell is going to agree to getting paid 22-25 cents on the dollar?? That isn't reimbursement, that is making doctors pay out of their own pockets to take care of patients.

[–]Bordo12 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You need to stop using logic.

[–]snayta 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

A 65 ton truck pulls up with 10 tons of water inside to your 20 story apartment building. The ten highly trained men operating the vehicle risk their lives to dispense a specially designed fire suppressant requiring hundreds of feet of hose and ladder over a hundred feet in length to apply the suppressant to said fire. After, millions of dollars in damage caused by the suppressant alone, a single person is brought to safety. The company that has insured the building is bearing a huge loss because of the incident.

Could, or rather would, the free market do such a thing? If you were the person saved from a burning building I don't think you would protest paying a tax to ensure those life saving men are there to help. Why should someone who contracts cancer not be able to be provided such a service?

[–]recentlyunearthed[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In much of america firefighters are volunteers. Able bodied young people donate time and older people donate money. It's even "progressive" but for the small fact that it is voluntary.

[–]machinebaby 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

We already have socialized medicine, that's what Medicare is. If you want a truly competitive market you have to be willing to cut out exceptions for things that seem nice to do. Eliminate Medicare, reform insurance so doctors aren't afraid to get sued with every procedure, reduce heroic end of life measures, the cost of which is passed on to all paying medical patients, and eliminate compassionate care for the indigent.

[–]LawlosaurusNeoconservative 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good luck getting rid of Medicare.

[–]recentlyunearthed[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

We already have a single-payer system too. It's called the DoD and they pay $35 for a hammer and $400 for a toilet seat.

[–]ampfin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the VA literally had veterans (the guys who signed their lives away to protect us) die from lack of care. Yet universal health care sounds like a great idea, right?

[–]deathbirdstories 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Calm down, Judd Hirsch.

[–]B_P_G 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you want a truly competitive market then you need to eliminate all the rent-seeking that goes on in healthcare. Increase the number of residencies. Allow importation of grey-market drugs and medical equipment from overseas. Allow foreign-certified physicians to practice in the US. Reduce licensing and allow nurses and pharmacists to do things that only physicians are currently allowed to do now. Step in and block hospital and drug company mergers. Allow US citizens to use Medicare anywhere in the world.

[–]Stinkfoot69 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

SJWs are generally lazy sacks of shit and don't want to pay for anything. They think the world revolves them and their precious self esteem therefore everyone should just want to do free shit for them..

Fuck 'em.

[–]keithykeithers 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Someone's got to pay for your healthcare, I for one don't want to pay for people's stupid actions that lead to their own injury, or for their lack of discipline in exercise and diet.

[–]DaveThe_blank_Libertarian Conservative 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

you already do if you buy insurance.

[–]xXnewbsonlyXx -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not really. Insurance isn't paying for every person's healthcare, it's sharing risk. Every person on the plan won't use the healthcare.

[–]legalizehazing -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA well done

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[–]knotaredditor -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sometimes, life is just not fair.