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Trans agenda on reddit is sickening (self.conspiracy)

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I'm by no means old fashioned and take an empathetic stand for people who identify as trans. But I really feel we need to draw the line somewhere. By undergoing surgery they aren't actually changing their sex. I will always see them as their original sex. Bruce Jenner to me is still as manly as ever. Moreover, i feel that this is completely manufactured and allowed to happen by the US govt. It is going to set a bad precedent for the future generations. Anyone else feel this way?

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[–]David_Kleinfeld 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh this thread should be fun.

[–]Chel_of_the_sea [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yeah, it's always great to see a totally original objection to one's existence /s

[–]jacks1000 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

no one is objecting to anyone's existence.

It's just a lot of people don't like being attacked for not playing along with fantasy role play and/or mental illness.

[–]FREETHOUGHTSOPEN 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope, I don't feel this way at all, if people are allowed to express themselves and be happy by getting a dick or a vagina installed, I don't give a shit.

The whole purpose of the agenda is to help you see the perspective that gays/trans are people too and you should accept them because they are themselves and there is nothing wrong with that. We need to drop this trained Right Brain agenda, we are all catalyst and learn from what we see and hear from the day we are born. If no one ever told you it was wrong or weird you wouldn't think it, so I doubt future generations will at all.

[–]kebutankie [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I feel bad for the kids mostly. Boys legitimately feel that they are girls just because they prefer the color pink or like to play with barbies. Like what! And some of the parents actually believe it too.

It wouldn't be so bad if people weren't so focused on or surprised by boys wearing skirts or something. Let the kids wear what they want to wear and do what they want to do without categorizing them as a specific gender based on those things. Then they probably wouldn't go mutilating/cutting their body parts or taking hormones to stop puberty just so that they can fit into society's constructs, ideas, and labels.

And swapping out body parts isn't going to bring any real happiness. The breasts and vagina doesn't make the woman, just like the penis doesn't make the man. It's way more than that.

[–]AliceHouse 3ポイント4ポイント  (10子コメント)

Wrong sub. Also, grow up.

[–]X1Cygnus -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

Because your response was so mature?

This is an agenda being pushed purposely for nefarious reasons. It is divisive and it is being used to corrupt younger generations that shouldn't even be considering their sexuality until post-puberty. It represents a decline in morality and promotes perversion in place of actual love and true deep bonding.

You can accuse people of being immature and phobic all you want, but until you see INSIDE their "community" you'll never get it. Join fetlife.com or alt.com where these people congregate and expose themselves for what they really are. But even that's only looking through the keyhole. If you ever actually see the whole picture, you'll may finally get it.

Most people say they won't believe it until they see it, but it's really the other way around - most people won't ever see it, until they believe it. Screw your head on straight and look. Until then, you're just fooling yourself and dragging others down with you.

This most certainly is the right sub. Deviance and perversion should not be forced upon us under the guise of tolerance and coexisting.

Edit: Fixed a spelling error since petty little namby-pamby puffs have so little else to harp on.

[–]Vathoska [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

This is an agenda being pushed purposely for nefarious reasons

Which are?

It is devisive

Not a word

being used to corrupt younger generations that shouldn't even be considering their sexuality until post-puberty

Sexuality =/= gender identity. Come on, this is basic stuff. Also, if you're implying that trans people are "made" trans by "societal pressure", you might actually have some kind of mental development issue. I don't want to judge you but if you seriously think anyone is being pressured into being trans I worry what kind of world you think you live in.

It represents a decline in morality

Who decided that your view of morality is the absolute? I think people being themselves is beautiful.

promotes perversion in place of actual love and true deep bonding.

Ah yes, love and bonding. Two things you're definitely not promoting. Two things you don't stand for.

You can accuse people of being immature and phobic all you want, but until you see INSIDE their "community" you'll never get it.

I'm inside the community, it's pretty sweet. For starters, nobody tells me that my existence is a perversion.

Join fetlife.com or alt.com where these people congregate and expose themselves for what they really are.

"I went to a fetish website and everyone I found there had weird fetishes!" Are you serious? "I went to reddit and everyone was a redditor! Oh my goodness!".

But even that's only looking through the keyhole. If you ever actually see the whole picture, you'll may finally get it.

I must be missing something, since I'm not getting any of the steamy kinky sex you're describing. Please, point me to the "whole picture"; I might want in on this.

Most people say they won't believe it until they see it, but it's really the other way around - most people won't ever see it, until they believe it.

AKA "It doesn't exist unless you imagine really really hard". This is pretty much exactly the same as the "I know God is real because I have FAITH" argument.

[–]jacks1000 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Come on, this is basic stuff.

Your hilarious propaganda is pseudo-science.

If someone's brain "doesn't match up with their physical sex" - the problem is the brain.

"Gender reassignment surgery" does not change someone's physical sex - it doesn't add a y chromosome to a woman and it doesn't remove a y and add another x for a man."

It's nothing but glorified plastic surgery. It doesn't - cannot - change anyone's sex.

So if you REALLY actually cared for these people, you would support healing their BRAIN - the cause of the problem.

But no one even suggests that, now do they?

Because it's not about healing sick people.

[–]Vathoska [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Your hilarious propaganda is pseudo-science.

Can you link me to any science that disagrees with me that's not 20 years out of date? You realise that science is on my side in this, right?

If someone's brain "doesn't match up with their physical sex" - the problem is the brain.

People with medical degrees and people who are transgender both disagree with you. Why are you so much better informed?

If you have a limb amputated and experience phantom limb syndrome, is that a mental health issue because your brain doesn't match up with your physical body? No, the problem is obviously the fact that you had your limb amputated.

"Gender reassignment surgery" does not change someone's physical sex - it doesn't add a y chromosome to a woman and it doesn't remove a y and add another x for a man."

Nobody thinks that surgery can change chromosomes. But SRS can change your sex, aka your genitals. And for what it's worth, you yourself might have XX, XY, XXY, XXXX chromosomes and not even know it. Chromosomal disorders are more common than transgender people are. Do you consider a cisgender man with XX chromosomes to be a woman because of his karyotype? Have you had yourself tested in case you're actually intersex? I doubt it. Chromosomes are important but they're not everything. For instance, even in the absence of a Y chromosome, XX-chromosomed trans men are able to experience facial hair growth and deepened voices as a result of hormone replacement therapy. Not all genetic information relating to sex is contained on those two chromosomes. Once again, I have to wonder how informed you actually are on this topic. I doubt you have a medical degree of your own and I doubt you've done any significant research into this topic.

It's nothing but glorified plastic surgery. It doesn't - cannot - change anyone's sex.

It's not glorified... it is plastic surgery. Nobody in the universe has ever denied that. You're arguing against a person who does not even exist.

So if you REALLY actually cared for these people, you would support healing their BRAIN - the cause of the problem.

It's been tried and it doesn't work. Conversion therapy causes suicide rates to skyrocket and doesn't prevent gender dysphoria. Treating the body, on the other hand, through hormone replacement therapy and occasionally through surgery IS effective and does reduce suicide rates, life dissatisfaction and the manifestation of gender dysphoria. This is scientific fact, it's the agreed consensus of the greater medical community. Everybody who is informed on this topic disagrees with you. You're just wrong.

But no one even suggests that, now do they?

They do, every day. I literally get told exactly word for word that by the same idiots every day. But again, none of them have medical degrees, and none of them have even bothered to read the wikipedia page of the word "transgender". Why on earth should I listen to them?

Because it's not about healing sick people.

What's it about then? Preparing for the invasion of the transgender lizardmen? Please tell me, because as far as I'm concerned it's about making me want to not kill myself.

[–]jacks1000 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

It causes suicide rates to skyrocket and doesn't prevent gender dysphoria.

So does "sex reassignment surgery" aka plastic surgery.

Can you at the least admit the dysfunction is in the brain, not the genitals?

Or do you think that people's "identity" i.e., thoughts, come from the penis or vagina?

Seriously, think real hard.

[–]Vathoska [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

So does "sex reassignment surgery" aka plastic surgery.

Can you tell me why you think this? It's not true, by the way. Also, you seem fixated on genitals. You realise that very very very few trans people have surgery?

Can you at the least admit the dysfunction is in the brain, not the genitals?

I have a case study that proves this wrong. David Reimer was a cisgender man (a man born with male genitals and male chromosomes) who, due to a botched circumcision, was given a vaginoplasty and raised as female. Now, according to you, his brain would not be flawed, and thus he would not be transgender; he should have been happy to live as a woman. However, he showed all of the same symptoms as transgender people do throughout his life, until he decided to change his name (to David) and transition to male. I think you'll agree that the problem here was his body, not his brain. This is exactly the same situation that transgender people are in. Although we're given the wrong genitals earlier than Mr Reimer was, his case proves that we cannot be "mentally ill" because someone who would otherwise have lived a normal, mental illness-free life was able to become "transgender" through the manipulation of his physical body alone. Essentially, you don't need to touch the brain to make someone trans, just the body . Because our brains are normal.

Or do you think that people's "identity" i.e., thoughts, come from the penis or vagina?

Of course I don't think this. I think that people's identity is in the brain, and that thus when the brain declares something about identity, it's right. You seem to think that just because the genitals disagree, the brain must be wrong; essentially you think that the genitals are better judges of someone's mental identity than the brain is.

The body is a vehicle. You can cut off an arm and the person, though wounded, is still the same. You can give them a tattoo and they're the same person. But mess with the brain and you've changed their identity. That's why conversion therapy is so unethical; horrific though it may be, being transgender is a part of my identity and self-determination. It's given me life experiences I would have missed out on without it. Changing that part of me would change who I am into a different person. That's something no amount of surgery can do.

[–]jacks1000 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The David Reimer case proves MY point! He was a normal man that was then mutilated as if they could change his sex with surgery and hormones. It didn't work.

I think that people's identity is in the brain

OK, so if the brain thinks "female" but the person has a functioning male body - THE PROBLEM IS IN THE BRAIN.

Yet no one wants to fix the dysfunctional brain.

Why? Because this isn't about healing sick people.

[–]Buddug-Green [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Maybe you should invent a cure and discretely distribute it in the water supply.

[–]X1Cygnus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Okay, DIVISIVE.

Your point by point attempt at dismantling my comment is pretty lame. Nice try though. Keep fooling yourself. You've made no point, what-so-ever. I'm humored that you wasted so much of your time.

[–]X1Cygnus -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right on cue: An LGBT Nazi goes on the personal attack against someone looking for discussion.

[–]Terex80 0ポイント1ポイント  (16子コメント)

How will it set a bad precedent? It is a legitimate thing being transgender

[–]Putin_loves_cats -2ポイント-1ポイント  (15子コメント)

Blurry gender lines and calling mentally ill people heroes and normal.

[–]FortHouston 1ポイント2ポイント  (14子コメント)

The medical establishment does not agree that those people are mentally ill.

[–]Putin_loves_cats -1ポイント0ポイント  (13子コメント)

The medical establishment

Yet, the same people call these people mentally ill:

  1. Schizophrenics
  2. Delusional
  3. Anorexic

...To just name a few. Aren't anorexic people considered mentally ill because they perceive their body larger than it actually is? Hence why they do what they do (starve themselves)... So if a person is staring into the mirror and thinking they should have female or male body parts, how is that any different than the delusions of an anorexic person? Right, because it's in their damn minds and it's the same thing. We treat these people, we don't call em heroes and we sure as shit do not encourage their delusions.

I do not think transpeople should be ridiculed and shunned from society. But, at least call it for what it is, a mental illness.

[–]Rocket_Admin_Patrick 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

There's a difference between harming your body via starvation and identifying as a different gender. If you can't see the difference there I've lost all hope in you.

[–]Putin_loves_cats -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

How is chopping off your dick not harming your body? Also, implants can harm your body because it's silicone and they could burst. There are plenty horror stories about that (google it). Like I said, it's the same, all delusions. I'm not saying they should be ridiculed and shunned, just like schizophrenics shouldn't be. It's a mental disorder and should be treated/addressed as such. Sorry.

[–]Rocket_Admin_Patrick 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's another misconception, not all people who identify as another gender go through the surgery, as it is very expensive, just like implants. It is the choice for the person to go through the surgery, it is NOT the choice of an anorexic person on whether or not they want to eat.

[–]Putin_loves_cats -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just because they do not go through with the surgery doesn't mean that they do not perceive their body a certain way and/or hate the body they were born with. Your argument kinda sucks. It's no different than an anorexic.

Edit: what if that person doesn't have the money and then tries to chop their wee-wee off? Is that self harm in your eyes?

[–]Rocket_Admin_Patrick 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I believe your argument is the one that "kinda sucks"

Hence why they do what they do (starve themselves)... So if a person is staring into the mirror and thinking they should have female or male body parts, how is that any different than the delusions of an anorexic person?

I said it is different because they have the choice of whether or not they physically change. Also hating a part of your body =/= a mental disorder. I dislike that I was born with a large nose, (which results in people calling me a Jew) does that mean I have a mental disorder? Think about it, there is literally no difference aside from the fact that transgender people want to change a particular organ that is used in reproduction/decides the gender that they are. Transgender people don't think that perceive their body in a different way, they think that the inside of their body is different than the outside. They don't look at themselves and think, "I'm the opposite gender". That's just ignorance on your part if you think that.

[–]Putin_loves_cats -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your argument sucks but you are solely basing it on physical change. The anorexic does not have the ability to un-see their delusions without help. Even with help, they could still see themselves that way and not starve themselves. Same thing with a transgender. Okay, they do not physically change themselves, but in their minds they are still seeing it. Same with an anorexic. Treatment doesn't cure an anorexic person from seeing delusions, what treatment does do, is help the person understand that, that's what it is, a delusion. It's not real, just in your head. Which helps them not starve themselves and could help a transgender person from chopping of their own dick and getting tits.

[–]Terex80 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you circumcised? I think you are American so I assume you are

But they don't do it for pains sake. By your logic trying to change your body at all is a mental illness

[–]Putin_loves_cats -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you circumcised? I think you are American so I assume you are

No I'm not and yes I'm American. My parents were rational/responsible. I thank them for that.

By your logic trying to change your body at all is a mental illness

Not saying that at all. If in your mind you truly think you are a female but born a male and want to physically change your sex (organs and all), then yes, that is a mental disorder. Not sure how you jumped to that extreme. Because I'm sure your are implying boob jobs, piercings, nose jobs, face lifts, etc etc.

[–]FortHouston 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Schizophrenia is a brain disorder instead of a mental illness. Delusional is a symptom of a brain disorder like Schizophrenia. Anorexia is considered to be an eating disorder instead of a mental illness. So maybe you should leave diagnosis to the medical professionals.

[–]Putin_loves_cats -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fine, transgender is a brain disorder. Happy Fort?

[–]FREETHOUGHTSOPEN 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

No I think it's because

1.Schizophrenics have voices in their head that nobody else can hear, usually causing self bodily harm.

2.Delusion can be voices,sounds,confusion and any thing else other the sun that people might go "hey that guy is crazy".

3.Anorexics are literally harming their body and hurting themselves, it's self mutilation and while the perception they see may be something else, it is not personal when someone is causing themselves bodily harm.

Having a dick or a vagina is pretty much normal yo. These transgenders drop big money to have different stuff installed. It also allows the world to feel pretty normal toward robotic limbs and changes (cyborgs) as we move toward a future society.

[–]Putin_loves_cats -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

1.Schizophrenics have voices in their head that nobody else can hear, usually causing self bodily harm.

Wrong, not all schizophrenics have voices saying to harm others/self harm.

2.Delusion can be voices,sounds,confusion

How is that any different than looking in the mirror and thinking you are a woman and envision female body parts. Can anyone else see that?

3.Anorexics are literally harming their body and hurting themselves, it's self mutilation and while the perception they see may be something else, it is not personal when someone is causing themselves bodily harm.

Not talking about self harm, I'm talking about delusions. Stay on track here.

Having a dick or a vagina is pretty much normal yo.

Yeah, if you were born with it, yo.

It also allows the world to feel pretty normal toward robotic limbs and changes (cyborgs) as we move toward a future society.

Your comparing say a soldier with a limb blown off, who had a robotic limb attached, to a guy who now has tits and a vagina? Are you delusional (honestly, no offense)?

[–]FREETHOUGHTSOPEN [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I've been to a crazy house before as my sister has severe autism, ocd and is schizophrenic. While you are correct that ALL don't cause bodily harm, alot of them do.

  1. Anyone in the world can experience delusion, that's why I said what I said. Delusion is to general a thing to diagnose, someone can have a situation where they have delusion and 15 mins later never experience it again.

  2. Yes, you are not talking about self harm but I am, because my original point was that these are classified as MENTAL ILLNESSES.

Yes but if you know everyone has a dick and vagina, why don't you criticize every female for such a thing or every male? Could the ultimate answer boil down to simply because you are not sleeping with them, why do you care?

With robotics, there have been a lot of recent reports that people are being attacked for wearing tech like the Google glasses or trying to make robotic eyes. You can understand why allowing transgenders as the opening stepping stone to allow robotic tech to become the norm right? Otherwise those soldiers with limbs blown off aren't able to feel SAFE in a world where people think something out of the world is pretty much the end game, I can see it now Bill O'Reilly, "Cyborgs in your workplace, who are these people, and what they can do to you".

If transgenders and gays get more laws in place, it becomes a normal thing, it means it's not a big deal, people don't feel weird, hell people would actually tell some of the people they are sleeping with that they aren't what they appear and feel safe to be honest as to not make the other party make a mistake, although I will miss Jerry Springer. I won't even speak on the tax, insurance and credit scams that go unnoticed because their no real core aim for it.

I honestly think that most of the propaganda pushed to the masses is to enlighten them, basically to open their mind to new ideas, so many ideas that they people start to grab these ideas and use them or more of live off them. The idea of a different reality and that anything can change at any time. An idea of a war on ideas completely subjugated to change by whomever can grasp the meaning out of them. I feel that changes like this may seem silly or stupid but deep down, they are the most important changes that the world will ever see.

I am delusional in the sense that our perspective on reality is different but In my reality that is totally normal, it's simply because you live in the year 2015 while I'm reaching for the future. We as a world need to stop living for the world of today, and start living for world of tomorrow. Yea we got some shit we got to handle before then but I'm telling you salvation is just around the corner.

[–]FortHouston 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

By undergoing surgery they aren't actually changing their sex.

If their brain is programmed with a gender different than the one that is physically expressed, then they are correcting the physical expression of their gender.

Bruce Jenner to me is still as manly as ever.

Janice Dickinson has a few manly qualities. Despite that, she was a supermodel.

Moreover, i feel that this is completely manufactured and allowed to happen by the US govt.

The U.S. government is not to blame for everything.

[–]jacks1000 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

their brain is programmed with a gender different than the one that is physically expressed

But that's not true.

[–]Putin_loves_cats 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yup, and you'll get downvoted to hell for calling it a mental illness. I can say that I feel like I'm a cat (delusional), and get the surgery to make me look like a cat, doesn't mean I can produce a cat. It's all in the mind, like schizophrenia. Bruce Jenner will never be a woman, because his internal body isn't a woman, it's male. He will never have a period, PMS, or a have the ability to birth a child.

I await my downvotes.

[–]1-800-GOFUCKYOURSELF [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

To play devils advocate, males are first females before they start producing the hormones that turn them into males. No human was first feline.

[–]Putin_loves_cats [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Your right, it may have been a bad analogy, but the point still stands. A female thinking she is a male with never produce sperm and a male thinking he is a female will never have ovum. These very characteristics set male and female apart. It doesn't matter what the brain says, because that should be viewed as a disorder and/or delusion. Not hating on them, just saying it for what it is. We do not encourage delusional people to embrace their delusions. That would be unethical and unhealthy.

[–]jacks1000 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If the brain doesn't "match up" with a person's physical sex ...

... why not fix their BRAIN - the cause of the problem?

Why mutilate their genitals - the genitals aren't the problem.

It's a brain problem.

[–]4to6 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Western civilization has fallen into a pit of perversion and corruption. We can't sink much lower, because we are close to the bottom. If you look back through history, very few cultures have been as perverse and corrupt as ours. Rome under the Caesars is one that stands out. Rome soon declined under that corruption, which was not only a moral corruption but extended to politics and the justice system.

People today just don't realize how completely defiled their souls are. They can't comprehend it. They've been swimming in this fish bowl all their lives, and it has become pregressively more and more filthy, until the poor fish can't even see out through the glass, but to them it's still normal. They are swimming in raw sewage but it's normal to them because it's all they know.

We are literally a fallen people, all of us. If you live in this society, you can't escape the stain. It is smeared on your from birth. What the average person regards as normal is completely vile and poisonous. A society such as ours cannot long endure. And ours won't endure.

The mullahs of Islam know this. They look at the West and they count the days until we collapse like a puss-filled cyst. And our society will collapse, spewing puss and filth in all directions.

The question is, where will you be when it collapses? Are you going to be one of the drones, the zombies, the sheep, who think this society we live in is normal and healthy? Or are you going to be one of the few who have come to understand that we are corrupt and poisonous and doomed to fail, soon?

I'm not pretending to be some perfect person, I'm just telling you, your mind is filled with filth. Your soul is black with disease and corruption. It stinks. You stink of foulness. So do I. So do we all in the West. There's no escape from the filth, unless you recognize it, and deliberately withdraw yourself from it.

[–]jacks1000 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are just taking advantage of mentally ill people to do medical experiments.

It's sad.