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[–]TheOfficeJocky -2ポイント-1ポイント  (62子コメント)

Maybe should have thought about their career path before jumping into college?

[–]Deggyy 15ポイント16ポイント  (43子コメント)

Yeah, because being miserable in an office is better than being miserable behind a bar, with your art as a side job/hobby.

[–]PalinAmerican -1ポイント0ポイント  (41子コメント)

But, when I work in my office, I don't go begging people for money.

I get no tips for doing my job, why should I subsidize their poor education/career choices?

[–]VanimalCracker 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

And what you're doing is subsidizing the bar owner while they pay the bartender less than min wage. That's what really pisses me off about tipping industries. Buy a $20 meal or run up a $50 bar tab, now pay my employees directly so I don't have to. And if you think that cash tip is being claimed for taxes, you're extremely naive.

[–]PalinAmerican 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly, in which other profession do business owners ask for their employees to be paid by the customers directly?

I am a software professional and my customer(s) do not pay me or my software developers. I pay them a wage that is decent.

[–]rawlingstones 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The logic is that tipping should actually benefit the customer. You're paying the same amount anyway, because they would have to raise prices if they discontinued tipping. Tipping makes the employee accountable to the customer directly. If I'm getting paid flat minimum wage, I have almost no incentive to do more than the bare minimum work. If the customer's satisfaction affects how I get paid, damn straight I'm gonna bust my ass.

I'm not saying tipping is good or bad. I'm just explaining the logic.

[–]Vornim 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because unfortunately we don't have spots available for everyone in the world to have office jobs. Someone still has to do jobs like these, even though everyone goes to college these days.

[–]rokimaru 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone I work with is fucking talented in their chosen art, and we all still have to live with food service jobs. And for the most part we do it humbly, hoping someday people we'll value that we are helping them achieve their desired lifestyle.

[–]bythepowerofthor 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's not begging you for money. We're providing a service to you, so we deserve to get paid. I agree the tipping system is pretty fucked, but it's a necessary evil if you want to promote locally owned restaurants and bars. It's not going to change anytime soon

[–]rawlingstones 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's ridiculous that asking to be fairly compensated for the service you provide constitutes "begging" now.

[–]bythepowerofthor 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

A lot of people don't realize what goes into being a career bartender/server. It's not just filling waters and running food, you have a knowledge and a skill set that most people couldn't do. It's tough work, and most of us are super intelligent, kind people who at the end of the day somewhat enjoy what they do.

[–]Fitnessfreak64 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

But why does the customer need to pay for that directly? Why can't the owner pride themselves on hiring the best service by paying them fair wages?

I'm trying to understand why you think it's appropriate to shame customers and not your boss.

[–]bythepowerofthor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never said it was perfect. It ends up saving you (the guest) money and time. Look at places that don't use the tipping system (i.e europe) service there is typically slower than what you would expect here in the states. That's typically okay there because it's also more ingrained in their society that food shouldn't be fast. You're suppose to sit down and have a drawn out dinner/ lunch because you're suppose to enjoy it. Here that typically doesn't fly, people want fast and cheap. So, what are people that own those sort of places doing? They're paying their employees less and having the guest "tip" them on it. If you didn't have to tip us, you would still be paying the same amount roughly, because where do you think the owners are going to get that extra money to pay us? That's right, that 10$ burger just turned into a 20$ burger.

[–]Deggyy -4ポイント-3ポイント  (26子コメント)

Are you paid under the living wage so you need tips? No? Do you enjoy the service they provide? Yes? Then stop being an entitled brat about it.

[–]ikahjalmr 8ポイント9ポイント  (18子コメント)

Its not entitled to expect me to give you charity for being a bartender? Fuck that. I have family that have picked strawberries for 12 hour days in summer sun for pennies, where's their tip? Fuck you and your entitled attitude. I've waited and don't give a fuck about tips because I aim for better jobs later on for money, not pity from strangers

[–]bythepowerofthor -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Then don't go out and waste these people's time. It's a career choice now homie, with a lot of room for growth, where you can make some serious cash. So knock it all you want, I have better hours, and more freedom than a lot of other people in different fields, and I enjoy what I do.

[–]ikahjalmr -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

Okay cool dude if you're successful that's all that matters, I'm just saying the entitlement lies with waiters acting like they should be paid a tip no matter what. Anybody can bring me a plate and refill my water, its not like a barber giving me a dope cut or a DJ really keeping the party live and fun, both of which can be really difficult. I'd rather even pay the chef tip for making a solid meal long. As long a waiter doesn't give me attitude or something i could get the same result from a robot or conveyor belt.

And the reason I say this is because the OP was trying to say people like me are entitled for not feeling its right that business shift the burden of payment onto the customer and rob the waiter of consistency, just so they can cut costs. Its not entitled to expect an employee be adequately paid and for a customer to purchase a service without having to give charity

[–]bythepowerofthor 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well from your statement right there I'm going to assume you're not going to high quality restaurants, or even bars. You're dealing with order takers that literally just do that, take your order and refill your drinks. You're not going out to a place where the server/bartender can tell you everything you need to know about the wines/beers/preperation techniques that are used in the kitchen, and where exactly that 60$ steak you just bought came from. If I'm telling you that you should probably get a nice chenin blanc with that seafood dish, or a deep cab sauv to pair up with your steak. Yea I expect you to tip me.

Edit. It's not charity, it's me providing you a service. It's you paying me for delivering you food, suggesting things, pairing beverages with your food, cleaning up after you, and smiling and being polite to you and your 12 top separate check table, even though you walked in 25 minutes till close and want drinks, 2 courses and then want to camp out for another 45 minutes after you finish.

[–]ikahjalmr 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're correct, I wasn't talking about that, I meant places like Applebee's or olive garden. If you help me pick out a wine or something yeah that's something I couldn't do so I would be happy to tip you for the help

[–]bythepowerofthor -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh and that DJ couldn't keep any party "alive" without the help of those entitled bartenders. Who else would be shoveling everyone vodka redbulls while you try and fist pump yoyr way into that broads heart?

[–]Fitnessfreak64 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is it OK if I stiff you on the tip if I don't waste your time?

Like, if I refuse you listen to anything you have to stay and just bark simple orders at you, your expertise wasn't a part of the equation and doesn't need to be tipped, right?

[–]bythepowerofthor -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bro, you can do whatever you want to do. People like you (read, idiots) don't pay my bills. You're a small minority that I unfortunately get to deal with within my line of work. I'll still go home after my shift, drink a beer hang out with friends and still get to do cool shit with or without your money.

[–]Fitnessfreak64 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hahaha you will never never make as much money as me though so, congrats for that.

Enjoy your food career hahahahahahah

[–]bythepowerofthor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow man, bragging about how much money you make over the internet. I bet you only fuck models and strippers and only eat the most endangered of animals.

Meanwhile in the real world, no one on this site gives a shit who you are or how much money you claim to have.

[–]PalinAmerican -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

Again, this is not my problem.

If you can get better jobs, go get them and earn your living. Just because you cannot find a better job, it does not make it my responsibility to pay you.

Look at the rest of the world, all waiters/waitresses earn a living wage because they have a decent hourly wage. Here, waiters/waitresses like the under the table "tip" which they don't have to report to IRS.

I, for one, am happy that me and family are moving to Europe from here.

[–]ikahjalmr 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hate that attitude. Restaurants are supposed to pay full minimum wage if a waiter gets zero tip, if they don't get it or dont like how things are they should take it up with restaurants and lawmakers, not people who want services without giving out obligatory charity. Id rather tip a janitor or garbageman for dealing with actual shit all day not somebody moving dishes back and forth

[–]unknownSubscriber 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hope you don't expect "no tipping" in all of Europe.

[–]bythepowerofthor -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You sound like you're going to be a piece of work in any country you wind up in. Good riddance

[–]Deggyy -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We're glad too.

[–]icanspoil 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

People downvote this because they're likely liberal arts majors who are pigeon-holing themselves into the same situation. Life isn't all about doing what you're passionate about, people. This is America. You have to work hard to get what you want - very few ever actually get to turn their hobbies into their dream job.

[–]Aldheim 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

...This is the Internet, and that sentiment stands true for every other country in the world, many of them vastly more so than America.

[–]monkfish24 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think this is a uk pub judging by the taps.

[–]fastal_12147 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

or maybe people hate assholes you judge other people's career choices