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[–]s1ugg0 493ポイント494ポイント  (184子コメント)

Government's good for nothing am I right?

Except when it comes to landing on the moon, building the GPS network, building and maintaining 47,856 miles of interstate highways, making our drinking water safe, making sure our food is safe, developing countless modern technologies like the internet, or the Coast Guard protecting 133,312 mile so of coast line with a budget of only $6.82 billion.

I mean if we ignore all that it's the worst.

[–]RedneckBob 307ポイント308ポイント  (40子コメント)

Odds are she gets a disability check each month from the do-nothing-right gubment.

[–]mewithoutCthulhu 121ポイント122ポイント  (22子コメント)

Odds are she does, but let's not make that assumption. I'm in a wheelchair and work 40+ a week. I don't get disability.

[–]PKMNTrainerFuckMe 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Is your username a reference to a band?

[–]EdgarAllenPanda 12ポイント13ポイント  (13子コメント)

You have an awesome username.

[–]MrGoodnight_Goodluck 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are all handicap without the dark lord Cthulhu

[–]mewithoutCthulhu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank ya!

[–]I_DRINK_BONG_WATER 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

You don't.

[–]natlay 13ポイント14ポイント  (8子コメント)

yours makes me gag

[–]ReaderWalrus 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yours seems to be a mispelling of a common name.

[–]ajos2 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

Silly Walrus, books are for kids.

[–]Jollywog 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

R u even trying?

[–]just_add_porn 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why I ought take you out back and slap you till you're loopy as a jollywog

[–]Ticktack16 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The fuck is a Jollywog?

[–]natlay 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

well you're not wrong.

[–]schmucubrator 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Presumably EdgarAllanPanda was taken.

[–]ShelSilverstain 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you intellectually disabled?

[–]inchoaterica 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Look out, it destroys the heck out of that worldview when they find out disabled people have jobs.

It's a fun game, though. Watch the left and the right be confused! I had a bus driver ask me somewhat condescendingly why I took that bus downtown every Monday in my power suit. I replied in my sweetest Good Girl voice that it's because I have a work meeting every Monday. He looked confused.

The next time I got on the bus was with the county commissioner. That bus driver greets me by name and asks how work is now. Not all of us can work, but I think a vast majority of us would like to, and frankly the paycheck is way prettier this way.

[–]mewithoutCthulhu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Back in college I worked a number of retail jobs and it was always awkward when people would come up to me and say things like, "It's so nice to see someone like you out of the house and working! Good for you!"

[–]peon2 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yup. My grandfather was diagnosed with mesothelioma and since back when he was in the Navy (about 60 years ago) he had to work with asbestos in ships he got absolutely everything paid for by the VA. He and my grandmother haven't had to pay a cent for his treatment which could have been quite expensive.

[–]get_real666 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's surprising the VA actually helping people. Get real.

[–]absump 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That doesn't mean it's run well, does it?

[–]stichery87 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The amount is never enough Bob.

[–]padobear -3ポイント-2ポイント  (10子コメント)

Shhhh this is Reddit, not a place of reason. Let them get their pitchforks out on false allegations.

[–]mathees 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do we have to post this every time somebody posts something that has logic in it?

"Get that logic out of here"

"This is reddit, not a place of reason"

We get it, you like repeating jokes

[–]radiohead420 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

stealing jokes actually. its so generic, there a set of generic comments you can make on here that will guarantee upvotes and people fall for it everytime

[–]Ergheis 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes this is Reddit, where everything disagreeing with /u/s1ugg0 is getting downvoted to the bottom while "I BET SHE GETS DISABILITY" and "LOOK AT ALL THOSE PITCHFORKS LOL" are pushed to the top.

Yep, that's Reddit alright. Let's not talk about how a group of people managed to shut down the entire government by throwing a hissy fit that cost us billions, and remember how cool we were when we landed on the moon.

[–]JacksFalseHope -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Obligatory** Shhhh, don't question reddit or they will downvote you, THEYRE WATCHING.

[–]IvanDenisovitch -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You turned the tide!

[–]t4wet4taw 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you hate the big bad gubment so much you should move to Somalia, i hear their government isn't as big as America's.

[–]darman92 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did someone say pitchforks?

--E

[–]rjoseba 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

------&
I think mine is broken!!!

[–]MagicScrewdriver 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

do nothing bitch

[–]NotJustAnyFish 47ポイント48ポイント  (24子コメント)

It's amazing how much the government gets done, considering the number of people there to make sure it doesn't so they can "prove" government is worthless.

[–]autokatana 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well to be fair it's still just people doing it, it just so happens they were paid by the government. Whether or not it would be better/cheaper/faster without the government is a different question.

[–]dsfox 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not fair at all, its pure fantasy.

[–]KingOfFlan 22ポイント23ポイント  (17子コメント)

The US Government is the most stable and effective in the world considering how much we run shit. Any other government you could compare us to that may be better in some way governs much less than us.

[–]Taj_Ramos 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Building codes that are actually enforced, tons of scientific research is taken up by the government, disaster relief is heavily government run, etc.

Same with most developed nations. Governments do a lot of good and have a lot of moving parts. You would miss it within days if you moved to a developing country where roads aren't checked up on, businesses are loosely regulated, and officials are easily bribed.

[–]youlleatitandlikeit 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well… I lived for a year in Egypt which had, you could argue, only a moderately functioning government. I did fine, because I was:

  • a foreigner
  • with plenty of cash
  • with education
  • no need for employment or government services

Even then I still made use of the subway regularly, which for sure was subsidized and run by the government. Had I relied exclusively on taxis for transportation instead, I would have paid a small fortune getting around the city. Just visiting one of my friends in the south part of the city would have cost me $50/month instead of $5.

Basically, I think most foreigners would't notice these differences as visitors (even fairly long-term visitors), but you would if you were born there and lived there as a normal resident.

[–]i_sigh_less 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never really thought about it like that. Most of the governments that are comparable in size are pretty much governments that I would not want to be governed by.

[–]ekjq -4ポイント-3ポイント  (10子コメント)

Jesus christ. The American circlejerk never stops here does it.

Our government has some major problems and yall know it.

[–]Wolfie305 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like healthcare.

[–]bmacnz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure what website you're on, I see the anti-American circlejerk on here more often.

That being said... is anyone saying there aren't major flaws? We all know it and feel it. That doesn't make any of the above wrong.

[–]BigDuse 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

He acknowledged that, but also stated that those governments which do run certain things better are also smaller.

[–]ekjq 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He did not acknowledge that in the least. He just jacked himself off and everyone else patted him on the back for it because they have a dick too.

[–]beantownclimber 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, the circlejerk tends to compare our government to a totalitarian regime, which is absolutely ridiculous and indicative of a woefully out of touch user base that's never actually experienced true oppression from the government. No one is saying the government is perfect at what they do. There are a lot of things that it does wrong. But it sure does catch a lot of shit considering comparable governments of our size have much more serious and fundamental problems (China, Russia, etc.).

[–]Half_Gal_Al 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No one thinks the government here is as bad as those places they sometimes use hyperbole to try and get out the idea that we are becoming more like them. I don't think it's a good time to use hyperbole because people will say oh your being ridiculous and them not listen to the rest of what your saying.

[–]dsfox 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're missing the point. Of course there are problems, the comment above is about the stuff that gets done well, and how miserable it would be if it didn't.

[–]o_bama2016 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

What do you mean "The American circlejerk?" Reddit is profusely anti-America and pro-Europe. Look at /r/ShitAmericansSay.

[–]dsfox 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now its the reddit circlejerk circlejerk!

[–]Half_Gal_Al 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We should make our own version because Europeans say stupid shit too. Shit when I was in England I noticed most of their newspapers were tabloid type stuff masquerading as real news. Not to mention the rampant islamaphobia tied to a strange hatred for immigrats.

[–]squishmaster -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Except for Germany, France, Britain, Australia, and Japan, you're pretty much right about big countries having worse governance.

[–]its_penguin_related 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Guess what buddy? Germany, France, Britain, and Japan are not big countries.

[–]clintonsTwat -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except you lack reading comprehension because while it may be arguable about the quality of their government, it is FACT that they govern much less.

[–]bl1ndvision 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's not worthless, it's just ridiculously inefficient.

[–]FalstaffsMind 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The majority of what the government does supports commerce and as a result, the United States is the wealthiest nation ever on the face of the earth. That doesn't mean legitimate waste should be ignored, bad policies preserved or that criticism should be silenced. But the constant cynicism is absurd.

[–]NightHawkRambo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

But what have the Romans ever done for us?

[–]nickthemagicman 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://i.imgur.com/590Ev.png

[–]roo-ster 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

In Canada, the health care system is managed by the government, and administration costs amount to $416 per person, per year.

In America, the health care system is managed by the corporations, and administration costs amount to more than twice as much, despite having the inherent advantage of a larger population and thus should benefit from economies of scale.

I'll stick with government.

[–]if-loop 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Some people actually argue that the free market approach isn't working that well because there's still too much regulation.

[–]s1ugg0 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every market that has been deregulated ended up worse off. Take the energy market in California for example. Rolling black outs everywhere.

[–]rushmid 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

I like being able to send a letter from Iowa to California for 45 cents.

[–]Logic_85 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

"Actually its 46 cents now"

CUE OUTRAGE

[–]anchises868 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, I don't get the post office arguments. If you discount the 75-year pension funding bullshit mandate imposed by Congress, the post office would actually run in the black. As much as people have gotten away from personal letters or sending in bills by mail, there is still a humongous volume of mail being processed. The post office isn't going anyway. If it's failing, it's because partisan politics are trying to make sure it fails.

[–]Kharos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Postmaster General actually supported the 75-year pension funding at the time the law was passed. The reason for this is because the USPS was that well-runned that it was actually on track to fulfill the newly tacked-on financial obligation. And then the economy cratered and the anti-government ideologues in Congress (i.e., the Republicans) would not budge in providing USPS relief because they relish the moments government-affiliated projects go to shit.

[–]mrNONDESCRIPT 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Post Office in the UK is failing because it is (partially) state owned but not paid for by taxes. In order to cover their loses caused by people using the internet rather than sending letters, they raised the price of stamps and parcels significantly. Thus, more people use the internet to commune with each other.

Currently the Post Office survives only because of the occasional Amazon delivery that isn't managed by DPD, or because of old ladies who send letters to their friend Mabel in Jersey, because the telephone and the computerywidget gives them night terrors.

[–]rushmid -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

GUBBERMENT CANT DO ANY THING!

[–]bl1ndvision 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

...but the US Postal Service loses billions of dollars per year. It operates in the red and just goes further in debt. No real business would ever be able to operate like that.

[–]RomanReignz 13ポイント14ポイント  (9子コメント)

It speaks volumes that most of those things have been such a constant in everyone's daily life for so long that they forget who is providing it to them. Government has never hurt me and have only helped when I've interacted. Apparently I'm the minority according to FB and Reddit posts though.

[–]NaiveMind 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have dual citizenship, Brazilian and US. I cannot beleive how Americans can even begin to critisize our goverment as much as some people do.

Seriously, have you guys SEEN what goes around in other places? Ohh....ONE officer killed ONE person for a unjustified reason? And now the WHOLE police force is corrupt?

The only place where I have seen a police officer be kind and actually be someone who wants to HELP his comunity is in the US.

In alot of countries citizens would be happy if their police force WASNT corrupt, just do their job. But no, in the US most officers go above and beyond to be a example yet people critisize the police as a whole.

[–]gamma286 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What do you mean one officer killed one person? Stating it that way makes it not seem like a big deal, but it happens frequently enough to be a big deal.

[–]SoWrongItsJulia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wish more people understood this.

[–]autokatana 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think people just get annoyed when they have to pay more in taxes than they are using in services, while other people pay next to nothing and use much more of it.

[–]elementalist467 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most people don't comprehend how much service they actually consume. Most Americans are living under municipal, state, and federal governments that are doing everything from maintaining the streets to criminal justice to maintaining parks to defending borders to managing trade to incentivising industry to managing water ways. If you drive to the market to buy milk you have accessed services from the government without even realising it. Roadways maintenance, police services, and food inspection at the least to ensure the safety of that milk and the transit of you to and fro to the market plus the milk from farm to shelf.

[–]For_Teh_Lurks -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Everyone wants to blame someone else. Black people blame white people, white people blame Obama, rich people blame Mexicans, religious people blame gays..

All the while the lobbyists buy our politicians beach houses and basically write the law.

[–]Aspiring_Programmer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You do know there are good lobbyists out there supporting legislation that helps for the common good? You just don't get it from bait-click assfucks on news stations needing to bring home that bacon.

[–]I_AM_THE_LIQUEUR -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm blaming you for triggering the fuck out of me right now.

[–]puttputt_in_thebutt 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh, chill out. Its somebody making a lighthearted joke about their disability. Everybody knows it has its stuff it does well, just like everybody knows McDonald's is a great place to get food when you're on the go or have 30 minutes for lunch at work. But in both cases, its easier to make fun of them.

[–]sydseale -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait, "everybody knows" Mcdonald's is a what? What if you don't eat meat? They don't even have a veggie burger. Check your privilege, Mr. Butt Putter.

[–]Logic_85 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

What have the Romans ever given us!

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9foi342LXQE

[–]nathanisfat -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

A brief and mild improvement at exorbitant cost, followed by a millenia of turmoil.

[–]JacksFalseHope 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cheers man, there will always be issues in the world, but we don't seem to enjoy the luxuries and amenities we DO have.

[–]L1berty0rD34th 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

building and maintaining 47,856 miles of interstate highways,

Yeah I really wouldn't say that the government is doing that pretty well

[–]swollennode 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

The thing is that the government could do better and work more efficiently.

[–]s1ugg0 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's true of every organization on the planet.

[–]Smithium -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

1 out of every 10 Americans works for the Government. With those kinds of numbers, they should also wash my car and do my shopping for me.

[–]s1ugg0 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Population of the US: 318,900,000

Number of Federal employees in 2014: 4,185,000

Or 1.31%.

So take what you think. Divide it by 10. And that's the reality.

[–]Glitterbritches -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So could you.

In fact, so could the New England Patriots.

[–]splein23 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty weak considering how much money gets thrown at it.

[–]throwme1974 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

But let's not talk about government waste...

[–]bergie321 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

"Government Waste" defined as anything that doesn't personally benefit me.

[–]nathanisfat 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, as anything anyone wouldn't be willing to purchase directly themselves.

[–]RemingtonSnatch 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, as anything anyone wouldn't be willing to purchase directly themselves.

Anything ANYONE wouldn't be willing to purchase? Pretty sure that the same thing he just said. I'm sure some people don't want to pay for children in their society to learn. Their shortsightedness doesn't make it wasteful.

[–]throwme1974 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Defined as government paying 10x as much for a hammer as you can get one from Home Depot

[–]Glitterbritches 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just because you're dumb doesn't mean you have to spread it around.

or

1989 called and it wants your bullshit complaint back.

[–]throwme1974 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So we should ignore government inefficiency and just pretend it doesn't exist... Got it.

[–]bl1ndvision 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

that's exactly what people want you to do.

Source: Worked in government for ~7 years. Was ridiculously, laughably inefficient.

[–]youlleatitandlikeit 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

All large organizations, including those in the private sector, become fairly wasteful once they get sufficiently large. In fact, discounting that it creates jobs in advertising and sales, the fact that companies must spend a large proportion of their budget on advertising and sales in order to compete with other companies offering the same product seems a lot like waste to me.

[–]throwme1974 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You could argue that advertising is wasteful, but it's not nearly on the same level as the money the government wastes on a lot of things, including advertising designed to make people feel happier about their waste.

[–]JonZ82 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

building and maintaining 47,856 miles of interstate highways

Wisconsin would like a word with you..

[–]BlackLadiesSuck 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

A pro-government comment on reddit being upvoted? What has this world come to

[–]Luckynumbr7 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh my god it's a fucking joke. There is way too much overthinking and taking things way too seriously on reddit.

[–]atlantajerk 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

In conclusion, if it weren't for government we wouldn't have roads, water, food, or computer networks.

[–]RemingtonSnatch 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You'd have roads, but they'd have all sorts of various tolls and different means of collecting them. And they'd be dangerous.

You might have water, but there'd be no guarantee that it was safe, and there would be terribly inefficient and inconsistent means of purifying it.

You have food, but would likely cost a lot more and food poisoning would be a much more regular occurrence.

And you'd have computer networks, but instead of the internet we'd all be using AOL, Prodigy, and countless other walled-in alternatives. And consumers would still be using dialup, because the idea of a centralized ISP would be rendered pointless due to those proprietary communities (even though something similar could be done, the leap would never be taken). In short, we'd be stuck where we were in the early 1990s. Hell, we might not even have THOSE, since the phone network would be a complete mess.

[–]-Trips 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

cripple in ops post getting btfo

[–]HEADPOCKET 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Without government we'd all be living in mud huts wondering how the hell to travel from one place to another, working 30 hours-per-day, dying from spontaneously combusting consumer electronics, and selling each other dirty meat.

[–]bandy0154 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck da police!

[–]_dejaentendu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In no relation to other countries you are correct. While I don't think our government is good for nothing, it is run poorly. It is easily influenced by business in bending rules and supporting big business before the people. Also (personal opinion) it's budget is tremendously misaligned. The amount of money put into the military opposed to schools is terrible. It is one thing to have the largest military budget but ours far exceeded the next closest country's budget. In addition our management of the healthcare system is done very poorly and it needs to start with the exorbitant costs coming from pharmaceutical manufacturers - look at oncology costs and the uproar happening there, look at hep c, etc. While I am not saying we want to be a socialist society, there are some businesses that involve lives and need to be treated as such. It goes beyond Healthcare and even touches our regulations that are bent in order to allow fracing by the gas industry. If you haven't watched, I highly recommend gasland.

I am not discounting your statement because you are correct the US does a lot of good, but it definitely isn't run correctly. I don't know for sure if there is a government that does it very well but Sweden those sort of countries appear to do a decent job.

We need to hold businesses accountable. The two party system is terribly flawed.

[–]tonywork88 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Spending billions of dollars to go stand on a giant rock. Woo hoo

[–]alSimmonsSpawn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know if maintaining our roadways is a good example, it is well documented that our infrastructure is rated poorly (compared to other developed nations). Plus do we not think that these things would not have been accomplished without the government?

Private companies are entering a space race. If I am not mistaken before it was prohibited for private entities were not allowed to enter space which would prohibit the development of a GPS network. Additionally, they have also subsidize unhealthy crops (on a large scale) so much it has priced low income families out of affording quality/healthy food. Moreover, private companies have been far more innovative that the government, too many examples here to list. If we eliminate the drug war the Coast Guard could become even more efficient at a lower cost.

Overall, while the government serves a purpose it is not the entity that keeps society progressing forward.

[–]TheParagon_MarvelUni 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But it could be better

[–]IRS- 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hi.

[–]tenebrous2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But other than that, what has the government even done for us?

[–]Belgand 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

building and maintaining 47,856 miles of interstate highways

Actually they're not very good about that. The crumbling American infrastructure is a serious problem that isn't being addressed. Not to mention the local level. A few years ago San Francisco had to pass a bond measure just to repair and repave roads because they hadn't been doing so as the regular budget was diverted to other things. To the degree that now it was going to be a massive expense that they couldn't handle otherwise.

[–]Phage0070 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

$6.82 billion divided by 133,312 miles is $51,158.19 per mile. For that kind of money we could easily hire a Mexican to guard every mile personally, 24/7.

[–]s1ugg0 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And would that Mexican guard be able to do at sea rescues during a Hurricane?

[–]JordanCardwell 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do you have any proof that the government accomplishes (using that word loosely) those tasks in a way that is better than the alternative?

I don't have time to debunk every point you have made, but here is the information needed to debunk the "government invented the internet" myth.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/stossel/blog/2012/07/24/did-government-invent-internet

[–]13ltcxmr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Either you're a shill or one of the dumbest people on the planet.

[–]treeman71 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Makes sure our food is safe" Haha good one.

[–]ABob71 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol, "only" $6.82 billion.

[–]RemingtonSnatch -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never understood how people could hate government as a concept. Government in a free society is simply the organization of citizens to get shit done. People who argue to let the "free market" do everything are really just saying "let's not get this done as a society".

Then I realize that these fuckheads are either closet anarchists and/or are just tremendously stupid and will believe whoever fearmongers them the most. And said fearmongers are those who want to make more money off of those things. Which is why these teatards are bankrolled by the likes of the Koch Brothers. Just follow the money. THEY don't think government is ineffective at all. On the contrary, they see it as effective competition. So they BS the above folks into attacking it.

[–]10_of_spades -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeahhhh 'cept for the fact that most of that work is done by your fellow civilians and is also funded by tax dollars. The assertion wasn't that the government can't do anything right, it was the fact that the government is inefficient and downright shifty most of the time.

Ah fuck it, I'll go through the list anyway:

  • Landing on them moon - a project which had billions funneled into it just to be better than the Soviets
  • Making our drinking water safe - not if you listen to Alex Jones
  • Making sure our food is safe - If you stretch the definition, I suppose you could call it "safe" as in it won't kill you now.
  • developing countless modern technologies like the internet - You mean that thing that was set up for military purposes? Like most other new technologies that get money funneled into them?
  • with a budget of only $6.82 billion - That isn't an endearment of the government.

On the flip-side, this is the same government that:

  • Stated two wars against the interest of the populace.
  • Get money from arms manufacturers (Military Industrial Complex, anyone?)
  • Has a legal torture camp in full view of everyone.
  • Has entire organizations that have histories of human rights violations as well as outright manipulation in foreign countries.
  • Has a prison system which thrives on the imprisonment of its citizenry, disregarding reformation of the inmates.
  • The DEA (I don't even need to add to that)
  • Funding of terrorist organizations
  • The drug war
  • The Death Penalty

And to top it off, it's about half a century behind everyone else in terms of basic civil liberties.

So yeah, I love America, the government? Not so much.

[–]montague68 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

not if you listen to Alex Jones

Oh cool, I can ignore the rest of your post then.

[–]bashar_al_assad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What exactly is wrong with the food that makes you sneer at those who call it safe?

What if I don't give a fuck about what Alex Jones, an "American conspiracy theorist", says?

You didn't even counter the landing on the moon or developing new technologies arguments, you just kind of threw irrelevant points up about them.

Your arguments don't make a lot of sense. Sorry.

[–]systemlord 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You quoted Alex Jones. Your entire comment thus became utter bullshit.

[–]objectual -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

ah yes, all those congressmen who are rocket scientists and engineers. all 0 of them.

[–]notthatnoise3 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Who do you think pays all the rocket scientists and engineers? Even "private" firms receive a ton of money from the federal government.

[–]nathanisfat -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Taxpayers. The state doesn't have customers. It has farm animals.

[–]notthatnoise3 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Taxpayers are the government. The fact that so many of them fail to exercise that power is their fault.

[–]objectual -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

who do you think designs products for corporations to sell to pile back into the government to fund x, x and x?

it's a chicken and the egg scenario. but obviously the egg came before the chicken , and modern government wouldn't exist without people inventing shit to begin with. all government did was attempt to make it more fair and organized, but it does a shitty job of it

[–]notthatnoise3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This really isn't a chicken and egg argument. The vast majority of non-medical research in America is paid for by the government. Without those grants, that research simply wouldn't get done. All those scientists and engineers would be looking for new jobs. And it's not like they're making money for the government. There's no immediate economic benefit to sending a space ship to Pluto, but that's a thing the government funded, so it got done.

[–]drunkenviking -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

IT'S. A. JOKE.

[–]AnotherPhilosopher -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Government created the internet?

That's a joke right?

[–]mtutty -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay, you did this better than I did. Take your upvote.

[–]RabPPC -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And that 6.82b is most likely money borrowed from China. Know how Greece is collapsing because of a 150b debt? Try that plus 18 trillion. Last president to chip away from that was Clinton. Greece's debt adjusted to the US population would be 4.3t. This means that we have a 420% higher debt-per-capita than Greece. But of course, they are very bad at collecting taxes. Something that we are much better at. I read somewhere that they only collect 33% of the taxes they should. So if we pretend that the amount of debt that they can handle directly correlates with the amount of tax collected, if they collected 100% and had our population, then the amount of debt required to be in their predicament would be 13 Trillion. This means that we are still 40% worse off in debt than Greece.

TL/DR: If Greece were US, they would be 13 Trillion in Debt and defaulting. We are 18.15 Trillion in debt.

[–]filekv5 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Umm.. yea all the things you mentioned are from our taxes. All we want from this good for nothing government to at least learn to use that money better... Edit: oh the thing about food being safe, yea now it will be much safer cuz they will send it to china for processing xD

[–]Stan_MarshMellow -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The government will be around a lot longer than her. I give her 80ish years, max.

[–]FalstaffsMind 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

[–]piponwa -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hate when redditors say we and only talk about the US. Everybody on reddit is not from the US OK!

My government also provides healthcare. Take that you 'muricans.

[–]bl1ndvision -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I bet I could do some pretty neat things if you gave me $4 trillion dollars a year too..

[–]Velshtein -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should tell that to all the vets who die waiting to see a VA doctor.

I know, universal healthcare will fix that because the government's done such a bang-up job running the VA, right?

[–]ekjq -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That had nothing to do with the government, and everything to do with the military and war.