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Wouldn't it be cool if you could send bitcoin as a link that immediately allows the recipient to download a wallet to his phone that receives the bitcoin? (self.Bitcoin)

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Is this possible? Viral Mycelium so to speak. Could be through e-mail, Whatsapp etc.

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[–]itogo 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

Would the recipient, which is not familair with bitcoin immediately install a new app? I don't think so. We have to convince him/her in advance, install a wallet together.

Or this way http://moneypacket.org/. In browser, without installation of app

[–]hodlgentlemen[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The difference is convenience. You could still help them install it, but it would be nice if we could lower this barrier.

Edit: in browser, as you propose, doesn't help to set up a good wallet. We all seem to think breadwallet or mycelium are to be recommended. Why not integrate this functionality into those apps?

[–]rnicoll 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I keep wondering about browser wallets, either keeping keys in browser storage (as in the local-only storage introduces in HTML5) or as a browser extension. Horrific security, useful for very small amounts only, but as a way of bootstrapping new users.

Haven't found a solution that doesn't make me despair too much to write it, so far.

[–]loveforyouandme 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

In the case of the above website, it provides you a file which contains your encrypted private key (disclosure, I'm the author).

[–]rnicoll 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd be nervous of XSS or browser extension based attacks, but... it does seem like a very good way of getting people into cryptocurrency.

[–]peoplma 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Snapcard.io let's you email or SMS coin to friends. It requires a sign up on their part, but I think signing up on a website is more intuitive for newbies than local storage. I'm definitely inherently against web wallets, but I think they can actually be safer for complete newbs with no idea how to secure their coins, and easier to use so long as it's for small amounts.

[–]cqm 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

right, the fastest way to do instant transactions is to give someone a private key. the problem is doing this in a way that doesn't require trust (how do I know you don't have the private key too?). Anyway I think a trusted third party could facilitate this, just removes the decentralized aspect.

[–]hodlgentlemen[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Isn't there a way to let the private key be generated locally (like mycelium does) on the recipient's phone, then send back the address to the sender, then receive the payment, all in the background?

[–]cqm 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

what is instant about that?

[–]hodlgentlemen[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not instant but lower barrier to set someone up with his first Bitcoin

[–]saddit42 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

yes.. send him the 12 words master seed..

[–]hodlgentlemen[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not exactly foolproof I would say

[–]btc5000 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Like rushwallet

[–]hodlgentlemen[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wasn't aware rushwallet did this. I thought it was simply browser based?

Edit: indeed, it handles OneName but not what I proposed

[–]SundoshiNakatoto -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It works beautiful, and uses the camera for QR code too.

Steps (for others out there interested in seeing how fast it is):

  1. Put in rushwallet.com on your phone, show them the url (sometime people don't understand "rush wallet" (like foreign waiters, etc), have them type it in. (10 seconds)

  2. They move their finger around the screen to create a key (5 seconds)

  3. Tell them to favorite it right now (save thebookmark) (5 seconds)

  4. Send the BTC (5 seconds)

About: 25 seconds total to send the BTC

[–]AussieCryptoCurrency 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wasn't aware rushwallet did this. I thought it was simply browser based?

Steer clear of Rushwallet. They ran a contest last year, and after a week of paying out the prizes, they disappeared, then in the end they just took their ฿1 prize back without even letting people know. If you someone can't even be trusted to run a contest properly, why on Earth would I trust them with security and Bitcoin tech stuff?

[–]nycixc -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is ducking beautiful. I'm using this all the time from now on... So much easier than explaining wallets and block chains to my friends.

[–]AussieCryptoCurrency 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is ducking beautiful. I'm using this all the time from now on... So much easier than explaining wallets and block chains to my friends.

Read the debacle surrounding their contest. Rushwallet couldn't even be trusted to give out a 1BTC prize (they took it back themselves); if someone can't run a contest, then why should they be trusted to run a Bitcoin wallet? The contest page is still live. See numbers 1 and 30? Look how they transfer the money back to themselves

[–]saddit42 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

why a link.. but yea sure.. would be possible.. you could encode e.g. the 12 words of an electrum or mycellium seed as an url parameter (would kind of look like a session id)

but why a link.. a simple message with 12 words would be enough

[–]solled 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

One option would be to send a changetip magic url e.g. http://tip.me/once/8BfE-2zgLtUwE This will prompt the receiver to create an account if they don't have one. This way they have a quasi web wallet with bitcoin.

Another option would be to send a coinbase invite with some bitcoin. Once they download the wallet and create an acct, the bitcoin will be there.

Not exactly what you want but it's hard to create a solution without btc being held by a 3rd party web wallet anyway.

[–]hodlgentlemen[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, I knew about those methods, I was just wondering if it might be possible to get someone set up with a nice phone wallet instead of a web wallet.

[–]resetnos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

37coins I believe does this

[–]FlailingBorg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Terrible idea in my opinion.

  • You would train people to install random apps they are linked to.
  • You would have to send them the private key or something equivalent. This means that you or the service you use could take back the coins later, unless the wallet automatically swipes them to a new address.
  • In a world where few people are using PGP, it would be hard to make sure the private key reaches them without compromise. You don't want to send around unencrypted private keys, really.

Of course, if you don't care about security, only use it for toy amounts and people already install whatever apps they come across anyway, I suppose it's okay.

[–]bitvinda 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Blockchain.info sort of facilitates this through their 'send via' options (email or SMS). Bitcoins are sent to a newly generated address, and the private key is sent along within a link to the person. When the persons clicks, they are taken to the blockchain.info site (or prompted to download the app I think) and then the btc are swept to their newly created wallet.

You can do it with any private address I believe. All you'd need to do is send along the address within a link like this: https://blockchain.info/wallet/claim#[private_key]

[–]BitsenBytes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Part of it is there already, you can send bitcoin by email, or SMS or Skype, etc but they still have to set something up a wallet or changetip account.

Hmmm, I just had a brainwave, I think next time I get a haircut I'm going to tip the girl I always go to using Changetip/Email or moneypacket.org. We've been talking about Bitcoin lately but there's no time when I get a cut to setup a wallet on her phone for her because she's busy.

[–]ToroArrr -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Blockchain.info ??? Ive sent txt messages and emails with bitcoin and ut prompts to download the wallet

[–]luke-jrLuke Dashjr - Bitcoin Expert 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like a good way to lose bitcoins...

[–]AussieCryptoCurrency 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Viral Mycelium so to speak.

Viral seems like a good work, because you can guarantee if this was feasible that everyone would be installing viruses on their devices.

Is this possible?

No, it's not.

  1. people are unwilling to trust a link in an email that installs software - the dumbest thing you can do
  2. what's to stop anyone else spending the money before it reaches the destination? ie a Man in the Middle attack.