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[–]avian_buddha -22ポイント-21ポイント  (16子コメント)

What's wrong with heterosexual people?

It's happening already? Nothing is wrong with heterosexual people. In fact, they are the great majority, we are a small minority, they are good, they further the species, your parents were almost certainly heterosexual, they are the ones in all positions of power, they have created society, they have founded the great religions, most great scientists, musicians, artists, leaders of business, politicians, military strategists, etc. have been heterosexual men.

I can't believe people in the gay community actually resent straight people.

Now that's not OP's question. But I see some definite hate in this thread. We are the minority. We should adjust ourselves to the majority - NOT the other way around. I can't believe that the idea of changing the majority to accept the minority - instead of the other way around - is mainstream. Very backwards.

As for OP's question, that was a rude response to him. Yeah sure what he said was a little ignorant, whatever, but that's what it was - ignorance. You basically told him that he was absolutely disgusting in response. He wasn't worried that you would come on to him - he was upset that you thought he was gross and wouldn't hit on him. And you told him that he was so disgusting that even if somebody was threatening to kill you, you wouldn't even consider coming on to him. Man. That would hurt my feelings.

[–]Konstantin29[S] 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

You know, I don't regret it in the slightest. He's been getting on my nerves quite a lot. Next time maybe he'll think twice before saying something stupid.

[–]avian_buddha -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well in that case it's fine. I thought it was a one-time thing. When somebody pisses me off I like to put them in their place too.

[–]Andrew-Ashling 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

We are the minority. We should adjust ourselves to the majority - NOT the other way around.

If you really believe that you should become straight. :) Which, incidentally, is what some straight people believe as well.

[–]avian_buddha -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Haha no that isn't what I mean. But I see what you're saying. What I'm saying is (and I said it poorly, yes), yeah we're gay, but we shouldn't get mad at the straight community and expect them to change. There's way more of them than there are us. We can't let them be our enemy, they can (and historically have) destroyed us. No, we've got to befriend the straight community and show how having us around is useful and good. Show the world why gay people should be welcomed and loved - not why we DEMAND they accept us OR ELSE.

Because, as you know, powerful groups of people have historically decimated the weak. That's why I believe we've got to integrate instead of making enemies!

Should severely hard times come around, and some crazed nationalist or whathaveyou take power, God forbid that the gay people haven't ingratiated themselves to the straight community.

What, do we think that persecution of homosexuality has ended permanently? Or what, do we envision the march of society continuing endlessly forward without resistance from the opposition? Do we expect that the great massacres - Stalin, Hitler, and those of various dictators today - are over, and will never touch us in the West? Let it be known how gay people are great - and that we are the allies of straight people, we are their complements, we fit in society right alongside them, we have a useful function, and that we deserve to be a part of healthy society, because we benefit them.

Let's remember that historically, groups have been wiped out - and instead of lording it over the majority and demanding their acceptance of us, let's keep that remembrance to ourselves. Minorities have always been relegated to second-class status. Let's enjoy that we've got it damned good right now, and that we are permitted to enjoy these rights by the majority. A document like the Constitution won't stop a furious majority, I can tell you that. Governments are overthrown by an angry populace. Let's not have them be angry with us. In fact - best to not have them angry at all.

[–]umpteenth_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I dearly hope I do not live in a world where I have to be thankful that my rights are guaranteed simply because the majority decided that day that they should. No minority whose rights were being infringed upon gained those rights because they decided to assimilate into the majority. They did it by what you call "demanding they accept us or else." Asking minorities to be docile because they might otherwise have their rights taken away is like telling a woman, "don't dress provocatively because men might rape you," or a black man, "when you are stopped by a policeman, be quiet or you might be shot and killed," or to a Muslim, "you must look American or people will target you for being a terrorist."

I do not know much about queer theory and all that jazz, but I agree with the notion that assimilation should not be the goal for gay people. We should be respected even though we are different, not because we are non-threatening to the heterosexual majority.

[–]avian_buddha -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

You should be thankful. We should all be thankful. We don't live in a world of principle and 'God-given rights' - we live in a world of power, where the powerful decide who gets what. Right now the powers that be enforce increasing equality. It won't necessarily always be so. There have been regimes that have prioritized certain groups above others. There have been genocides, slaughters, mass killings, whatever you'd like to call them - because they are in the interests of the people in power.

Let's be in the interests of those who hold power.

[–]umpteenth_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

We live in a world of "God-given rights," not rights guaranteed by people in power. And if it is no longer so, and I have to curry favor from those in power in order to keep my rights, I will lose nothing by being one of those whose rights are taken away, because then no one will have any rights that matter.

I have been nice in responding to you, but I am very offended by your viewpoint, and cannot continue being polite if I keep replying. So I will stop. I hope you change your mind, but since it most likely won't be changed on the Internet, I will not try.

[–]avian_buddha 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't expect you to be polite. We're determining right now what is true and what is false; there is no room for politeness here, as truth is never polite but is only accurate. That being said, the world is constantly changing. Homosexuals were stoned in ancient Israel and have been hated ever since. Only recently has that changed, and only in some places. Did they not also live in a world of God-given rights? What of gay men in the Middle-East, under that great and friendly religion of Islam - do they not live in a world of God-given rights?

Do you not understand that what we are permitted to do is determined by those in authority over us? - this was demonstrated quite recently, when gay people were finally allowed to marry in the United States. Before, we did not have that right. Tell me, who granted that right? Was it granted by angry homosexuals, or was it granted by justices sympathetic to the cause of gay men and women everywhere? It certainly was not granted by an obvious understanding of constitutional rights - there would not have been so much division on what the Constitution said, if it were clear on the matter.

Where does power lie? It lies with those whom we give power to.

I have a pet cat. I could get rid of this cat. I don't though. I love the cat, and the cat loves me. Were the cat constantly attacking me, vicious with me, destroying my possessions, though, I'd want her gone. I am the one with power here. It does not matter how the cat feels, it only matters if this cat's behavior is beneficial to me. How can this cat know to behave properly but we as human beings forget such an obvious lesson? Power is morality.

This is the basis of Biblical morality - an honest Christian or Muslim will say that God is correct. Why? Perhaps they will try to justify it. But really, it is because there is no power that could possibly challenge God. What God says goes. You can fight God, but the story is, of course, if you do so you will suffer eternal and unbearable wrath.

This lesson can be applied to human relations, of course. The exception is that the great Powers of humanity can be destroyed and replaced. It is best not to behave in a manner that will make you an enemy of power. For example, if you murder, you will be jailed or perhaps put to death. This is power's response to rebellion - punishment.

Now, if we as gay men (and I suppose the entire LGBT movement) are in rebellion to power, we have two possible outcomes - either we change the power to be one more favorable to us, or we incur the power's wrath. No, the progress of gay rights has not come from militant, in-your-face gays. It has come from people gaining the sympathetic support of the majority - it has come from working with those stakeholders in the current system.

Open rebellion to the system is destroyed. ISIS is in open rebellion against power, with the hope of establishing a new power. We are not ISIS. We must work with the powers that be.

Lots of people around the world don't like Western government, don't like gay people. Since it is Western powers almost exclusively that support gay rights, we had best work to strengthen Western powers. We should show the West how we can help our civilization. We should celebrate those virtues that make Western civilization great. And we should not hesitate to crush enemies of Western civilization. We should rejoice that we have been liberated from the bonds that still plague nearly every other nation on earth, and be thankful to our liberators, instead of resenting them as former oppressors. Because if the people that we choose to resent - and then to work against - lose power, those that take power in their place will not be nearly as kind.

[–]noobpept 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can't believe people in the gay community actually resent straight people.

lol, are you serious

[–]NorCalTico -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Found the breeder!