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[–]dicklord_airplane 123ポイント124ポイント  (7子コメント)

don't be fooled. anti-feminist women have found that being anti-feminist is very alluring to lots of men. remember, never put too much stock into what people say. watch what they do. you may find that anti-feminists do the exact same thing that you despise so much in feminist women. the only difference may be their rhetoric.

[–]Schrodingersdawg 65ポイント66ポイント  (3子コメント)

Another difference: A lot of the girls "against feminism" are a lot prettier than their feminist counterparts.

My theory is that they understand on some level that feminism is attacking them - trying to remove their advantage as prettier girls.

See: fat acceptance

[–]TheJessee 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ah well, there's a reason stereotypes exist and there's also a reason why it's the fat, ugly and angry woman for feminists

[–]grubek 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most of the early feminists were ugly unmarried post wall women.

[–]protoss--OP 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

i saw it as the reverse, that fat losers cry about everything and say they NEED 'feminism', whereas normal or attractive girls are just like "um... whatever"

[–]zombig 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

This also might be a sign of an alpha widow. I know girls like that, the yuse 'their' antifeminism as a bait. It's often te same story: dumped by a valuable guy. Beware.

[–]Dr_Shakalu22 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is an example of the rabbit (or hamster?) hole never ending.

[–]my88thaccount -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

never put too much stock into what people women say

You can only learn life lessons from a guy if you're a guy. Analyze what women say, keep men accountable for who they're pretending to be.

EDIT: Or hold onto your moral standards and be more lenient to those you care about. You outlook on life stems from bias.

[–]OMFGTRIGGERED 88ポイント89ポイント  (5子コメント)

theres still hope guys some girls are posting pictures on the internet and using a hashtag!!!!!

Virgin confirmed. If you'd notice why this is its simply because women have learned/are realizing that feminism means you're getting instantly discarded from dating valuable men. How many dating profiles alone can you spot thay say "no feminists" or how many more stories do you read that say if shea a feminist shes only good for a fuck and chuck? Its a market response. Its like trp only no effort is put into it, just make a sign saying youre anti feminist (while still voting in feminist policies and believing most feminist bullshit, you wont see these girls being chaste virgins or pro chefs) and wait for gullible idiots.

AWALT. Look at their actions, not their words. Posting a pic on the internet says absolutely nothing about why i should date you, in fact it actually suggests shes an attention whore, but you seem to have fallen for it hook, line and sucker.

[–]Isaiah4verse1 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wish I could upvote this more.

[–]NidStyles 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I contributed to the voting effort.

[–]my88thaccount 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Feminism is only a label that ugly women can get behind.

[–]johntcalhoun[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see where everyone is coming from... The girls realize they have gained enough benefit and taking more advantage of the situation will only hurt their imperative. My perspective is a little skewed because I have traveled a lot. I have met beautiful women all around the world but since taking the pill I have noticed the defects in our society(USA). Shame me for trusting a girl idc, These girls are on the right road, the road may just need some more smoothing over.

[–]anitapk 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

I was happy about it until a commenter here on trp made everyone notice that it was just another way probably of showcasing what special snowflakes they are by taking cute selfies and going against the trend.

I don't know, when there are pictures and hash tags involved i am never too trustful..

Don't pedestalise those women just like you wouldn't pedestalise anyone.

[–]Isaiah4verse1 51ポイント52ポイント  (18子コメント)

Feminism is female nature.

50 (real number 100) years of feminism and they're only against it now?

Why?,

Because it's starting to threaten their mating options and wedding fantasies, that's why!

Do NOT fall for "women against feminism". You have been warned. There are no fucking unicorns.

All women are feminists.

[–]ShitfacedBatman 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, children really do want their parents. Maybe it's more like women who prefer their female nature to be checked instead of unchecked. I theorize real women really do prefer patriarchy. Without it, their dreams are unreachable.

Just throwing that out there.

[–]Isaiah4verse1 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Totally agree. All women need daddy whether he comes in the form on a government or a man. They found out equality requires them to work as hard as men.

[–]ModernLifeDating 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

dude you're crazy. Leave America and see the world. All women are definitely not feminist.

[–]Isaiah4verse1 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Feminism is gynocentricism. All women are gynocentric. All women are feminists.

I hope this has been enlightening for you as it was for me. And I didn't even have to spend the thousands on air fare.

[–]Sylv_HS 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Feminism is just a form of gynocentrism. It isn't gynocentrism itself. You're spouting some real bs there.

[–]johntcalhoun[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think some of these guys realize how much of a difference that makes.

[–]FACEisEVERYTHING -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

you sound like the male equivalent of a feminist. take the word "ALL" out of your vocabulary and replace it with the word "most." feminist see things in black and white and dont have the ability to be impartial.

[–]Isaiah4verse1 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

"feminist see things in black and white"

That sure sounds like a black and white statement to me.

Keep trying, amateur.

When I say ALL I mean ALL.

[–]my88thaccount -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

All women are feminists.

Everyone's just looking out for themselves. Both sexes are selfish. Feminism is just a selfish label to associate yourself with as a person.

[–]Isaiah4verse1 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

The notion that men are as selfish as women is laughable.

[–]loddfavne 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The thing is that men pay the majority of taxes in society. In a relationship they almost always have the highest income, so they're providing for their partners. The surplus of society and families is a product that men provide.

The numbers about who contributes most and shares most to society greatly favors men.

[–]my88thaccount -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Men are selfish creatures, dogs are selfish creatures. Treat yourself like a dog and just read my words.

EDIT: The downvotes you use on reddit is just denial. You can only bash someone's opinion when they have a shitty opinion.

[–]thiasus 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

Their is still hope to find a girl that is not femi programmed.

First: a lot "I'm anti-feminist" is simply attention whoring: "look at me, I'm not like those other girls!"

Second: even if you find a girl that is a genuine traditionalist feminine woman, the value proposition of traditional relationships and especially marriage is still abysmal. Society exherts overwhelming influence on female sexual strategy, and if your nice traditional girl realizes that you are a beta bux and she can divorce-rape you, chances are she will and so much for the anti-feminism.

[–]formermangina 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

First: a lot "I'm anti-feminist" is simply attention whoring: "look at me, I'm not like those other girls!

Bit like the laughable white knight male feminists. Look at me, I'm not like those other bad boys!

[–]my88thaccount -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

the value proposition of traditional relationships and especially marriage is still abysmal

If you don't hold your own opinion high enough.

[–]1RPAlternate42 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some of these are funny.

Remember, there are "feminists" who fall for Chads all the time. Suddenly they are less feminist until Chad is done with them. These girls here are prone to the same rationalization machine that feminists are.

All women are different... but the hamster's the same.

Ham on Hammy... Ham on.

[–]19696657 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't fall for the bullshit. Whether a wolf or a fox they still got teeth, and if they got teeth they bite.

[–]paradimeshift 8ポイント9ポイント  (39子コメント)

In my experience most woman are feminists out of connivence for personal benefit.(turbo hamster) I'm glad some are waking up to this.

[–]Isaiah4verse1 38ポイント39ポイント  (37子コメント)

They are not "waking up". Don't we already know of enough about women's chameleon nature on this sub? How is it you guys are still this gullible? They are only against feminism because men are not marrying and barely getting involved with LTRs because of feminism.

No female is truly against feminism living in a feminist framework with all its perks and advantages, and doing little more than fuck all to fight it. They still have the system to their advantage and will not hesitate to use it when the flies they caught with honey step out of line.

[–]Sawagurumi 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yes and no. A lot of women hate feminists - after all, Western women's reputation is absolutely trashed because of them, and those that have always wanted to get married find it so much harder because of it. As I recall, a MumsNet survey in the UK found that 7 out of 8 did not self-identify as feminists. If you go to any mainstream website that is not heavily modded (eg telegraph.co.uk), then articles about feminism raise an absolute shitstorm, and I don't think women can be ignorant of this. So yes, they may not be waking up so much as never really buying into it.

Having said that, I have looked at quite a number of these 'reasons' they are against feminism. Two things struck me. 1) the reasons are often asinine, and 2) the girls tend to be young and pretty, and therefore not having a lot to gain from feminism. They do strike me as ones who see their prospects being damaged by the bad publicity from feminism, rather than coming to it by a sense of justice.

But still, this is not a bad thing. Social standing is very important to women, which is why we talk about them taking the shape of the container. The fact that an increasing number of women are openly and publicly denouncing feminism tells us something about the changing shape of the container (that is, public opinion).

[–]Isaiah4verse1 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

Good comment. But do you think this will be a cycle? Say women against feminism becomes a big enough majority that men start marrying them and the marriage levels increase. Do you think this will just happen again in a few decades when women get too comfortable? The reasons why feminism started (comfortable domestic life requiring little to no effort in the 50s) have not gone, in fact, a domestic partner is less viable than ever before. Why should we care that women are against feminism is what I'm asking. What does that mean to men, especially considering the fact the misandric laws remain?

The fact women are just taking the shape of another new container doesn't bespeak authenticity to me. If its female nature to be a chameleon and take the shape of society, how is anything they are for or against genuine?

I believe "women against feminism" to be a philosophical iPhone 7. It is only here to stay until the iPhone 8.

[–]Sawagurumi 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think I would disagree with any of that. Women act in their own best interests, but then so do we. It is just that in the past those interests coincided rather more than they do now. A lot of women now have heard about 'players' and 'MGTOW' and even 'Red Pill', and are also aware that this is happening as a reaction to feminism. I'm not giving these women marks for being biased in favour of men, although, let's be fair and admit that there are women around who genuinely like men and admire them; I'm not buying into 'all women are evil', I just expect them to look after themselves first. In general, they are doing it because their own mating strategy is being compromised by feminist idiots.

As you say, the marriage market is not going to change because more woman are openly speaking against feminism, it would need the legal framework to change for that. Keep in mind why feminism became so powerful. It wasn't because some morons walked around holding placards, it was because they were useful fools. Businesses wanted cheap labour, and to do that you have deal with supply/demand, make more people want the same jobs. That is why it generally takes two people working now to get the same relative standard of living that just the husband could achieve before. Voting was extended to all men, but that gave too much power to everyman, so women were given the vote too. That way, you can be sure that government would get bigger, because women can always be frightened into voting more power to government and for more welfare programs; feminism now is almost entirely about scare stories for women. In addition, by separating the family, women have to rely on the state in place of a husband. Those forces don't go away just because women get lukewarm about it. Feminism was never about what is best for women, which is why they are more unhappy now than when they started. It was far more about controlling men.

But in one of those quirks, feminism isn't entirely bad for men. Yes the crappy unfair laws that it enables are, but the weakening of the social requirement to get married (because you got no sex otherwise) has enabled an older male mating strategy, which we call 'spinning plates'.

[–]Sawagurumi 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do you think this will just happen again in a few decades when women get too comfortable? The reasons why feminism started (comfortable domestic life requiring little to no effort in the 50s) have not gone, in fact, a domestic partner is less viable than ever before.

I didn't really answer this. My opinion, feel free to shoot me down.

The reasons feminism started had nothing to do with domestic life being comfortable. Let's tease apart the reasons.

  • The nature of work changed. Prior to the 20th century women did not want men's jobs, they weren't that stupid. Jobs outside the home were generally heavy manual labour, generally working outside in all weathers, and some of them were downright dangerous. Can you imagine women talking about how oppressed they were not being allowed to be quarrymen, or miners, or sailing square riggers, but instead were forced to stay at home looking after the children and feeding the chickens? They still don't want those jobs. Patriarchy theory as a theory of history is just batshit crazy. According to that, the slaves of Rome were oppressing their owners by doing all the hard work. Feminism was originally about upper middle-class women wanting to do their husband's jobs, because their husbands had safe, dry, indoor jobs like bank managers, solicitors, or teachers. Later, there was an enormous growth in office work, which women were quite happy to do. It is this that made women want to work outside the home.

  • I think a lot of women are aware, even if they choose to pretend otherwise, that men build civilizations; women are along for the ride, to provide the next generation of men (conversely, men build civilizations to please women, as without them they see no point, see the Rape of the Sabine Women). This gives rise to Penis Envy, which I now understand better as not envy of a physical organ, but envy of the achievements of men.

  • but women still couldn't work much outside the home, because pregnancy and child rearing took up their time, and you can't stop people from fucking. But the development of the pill (and to a lesser extent, the condom earlier) freed them from this. 2nd wave was kicked off principally by The Female Eunuch and Sexual Politics, but these books were published in 1969/70. Most of the change had already happened by then, in the 60s; the pill was developed in the '50s.

  • Masculinity itself retreated in on itself, as men doubted their course. This was caused by the shock and horror of the two world wars, and the development of nuclear weapons bringing our entire existence into question. It made us question whether masculinity had gone too far. Without those events, men would still be proud of masculinity, and not so readily kowtowed to the attack on it by feminists and the media.

So, to go back to your question: yes, of course it is a cycle, but not such a short cycle as that. All civilizations come and go, even ones as great as Rome. This one is now declining. Once some of these conditions no longer pertain, women will suddenly realize that they really want masculinity. Take away the pill and feminism disappears practically overnight, as would a serious external threat. As for why we should care whether women support feminism, we don't care about feminists, we care about what feminism gives cover to governments and employers to do. You can't bring in ever more draconian laws restricting the behaviour and prospects of men if you can't have a pretence of 'giving women what they want'.

[–]Isaiah4verse1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great points. Some things I've never considered before, thanks.

[–]antariusz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That reminds me of a particular bit of blue pill conditioning I was taught and internalized as a child but hadn't yet remembered it in my post red pill awareness, even though I've been following this sub for a while now.

"If women ran the world, there would be no more wars"

[–]paradimeshift 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Waking up still means half asleep. Of course AWALT and there are no unicorns. I don't think it's gullible to be an optimistic realist. The change may never happen, or it may take forever. Neo wondering what the matrix is, is still better than believing it's created for his ultimate advantage.

There are plenty of women raised outside the west who aren't enculturated to the "western" feminist framework and in fact they are repulsed by many aspects of it. They're typically raised with the captain first mate dynamic in mind and are proud of it. Why do you think so many men come to my country for ltrs? Things aren't perfect but compare the situation to the west. It's all relative.

The more western women are realizing(remembering) the value of these traditional philosophy the better. Even if the realization is in its preliminary stages.

[–]Isaiah4verse1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good comment and fair points. Thanks. Nothing I can really add.

[–]WakingUpAlice 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If feminism didn't cancel out male privilege I don't know what would in this day and age.

[–]newls 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"I don't need feminism because men and women are created for different purposes to help each other. They each have different things they are good at and praising one gender more than another isn't equality."

These sound like decent, self-aware women. Glad they're doing some good work.

[–]Derbi50 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I have spoken to some Eastern European girls in the 20-40 demographic.

Many think feminism is ridiculous. Equality of the sexes, women working as hard as men, etc. was basically what their grandmothers/mothers had in the soviet union.

To them womens liberation is being free to be taken care of by a good man in an upright traditional family.

Having to work outside the home is only for fatties and uggos who couldn't land a good man in their minds.

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    [–]Derbi50 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I don't know why that concept is so hard/offensive to some people.

    Sexual dimorphism isn't just for the body, its also for the mind and behavior.

    [–]ThePedanticF0x 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Just because "femi programming" is not as effective on certain women does not mean they will forgo their biological programming, which serve feminine imperative. Some women may not be fooled by feminists covertly campaigning for female supremacy, but in the end their instinctive compulsions exist for the benefit of women at the expense of men. All women are like that. What they say means nothing, zero, goose egg, a womens opinion is fickle and changes with her emotions like the wind. What they do is what should be taken seriously, because their actions betray their true intentions.

    Don't be so easily fooled by appeaser's, their words are often honeyed but laced with arsenic, they tell you what you want to hear in order to break down your defenses and have their way. When you are vulnerable they will resent you for it. be skeptical.

    [–]king_of_red_alphas 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Jesus. The anger-hamstering is strong in this thread.

    So basically, if a woman crows about feminism = crazy bitch. If woman says she dislikes feminism = crazy bitch.

    I mean, you've got to leave room for the remote possibility that a woman can actually speak her conscience in some circumstances.

    And ... Now AWALT includes feminism? Ann Coulter or whatever conservative poster girl is now is actually a secret mattress girl?

    If you believe all women are secret feminists you have not known many women.

    This is the kind of shit really dragging this forum down. The circle jerk of hate is getting pathetic.

    [–]Isaiah4verse1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Tradcons are the flipside of feminism. I guarantee you Ann Coulter is every bit as gynocentric as any feminist.

    [–]tallwheel 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If woman says she dislikes feminism = crazy bitch.

    Not automatically, no. I think the point is to not get your hopes up too much just because she says she is against feminism. That doesn't mean she is a unicorn. AWALT.

    [–]1wakethfkupneo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Just a ploy. They are slowly realizing that modern feminism has gone rampant and men's response is to start withdrawing from marriage/commitment. Just look at declining marriage statistics, "where have all good men gone" rants, MGTOW Google trends etc etc. The pressure is bit to high and even beta conditioned guys (vast majority) are slowly waking up. Myth about cooking the frog by gradually raising temperature is just that - myth; in reality frog jumps out at some point. It's happening and the process is steady and no longer invisible. Imagine their horror ... or better yet, imagine your horror if access to sex for you was on a sharp decline and male behavior was the only thing to blame.

    They can see that the golden goose is about to get killed and this is desperate attempt to stop the swinging axe. Or did anyone really think that, from what I see, mostly young yet to be married girls on that site really want to lose their modern privileges just because.

    [–]pavista 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    For most women, Feminism has done its job. They have equal (or superior) rights in most areas only now if you're a feminism you are actually limiting your opportunities in life. That was never the plan.

    [–]iamz3ro 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Guys, all fun and games aside, this is real. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX37YsFJvR0 It's one thing to laugh at their bullshit, but they're gaining real, tangible progress.

    [–]Solitary_Wolf 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    plenty of women aren't feminists or are anti-feminists, me mam for example. but you dont hear about them because they dont scream and shout as loud as feminists do.