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MFW someone compares the illegal poaching of Cecil to the killing of cattle for food and then some other guy compares it to abortion. (i.imgur.com)

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[–]LucyAndDiamondsI'm here to burgle your turts! 67ポイント68ポイント  (4子コメント)

Warning: There is a rant ahead and I am pissed. This is meant to be read in my angry voice. This rant is not directed towards the wonderful community of Trollx but rather to the general fuckernanny that is everywhere outside of Trollx. Enjoy.

Poaching is wrong. The rampant abuse in the meat and dairy industries is wrong. The use of "there" to show possession is wrong. Right now we're talking about an asshole...Who paid $50,000 to poachers, to hunt and kill a protected animal...Whose presence had a hugely positive influence on conservation efforts in the country. This man not only illegally baited the animal until he was out of the reserve perimeter but he was a shit shot and allowed the animal to walk around suffering for 2 days before killing him. The death of this lion is most likely going to result in the deaths of his cubs and also some of the females in the pride. The other males also have a greater likelihood of becoming victims of poachers due to the oncoming territory disputes. This one fucktard paid more money than lots of people make in a year, to go kill an animal, because he thought it would be fun. He didn't kill the lion for food. He didn't kill the lion for warmth. He didn't kill the lion for safety. He killed the lion because he wanted to feel powerful, because to him, fun is contingent upon being reassured he's a big guy. As a result of his vanity and insecurity, he's not only cost the animal his life, but country one of its most important assets in terms of conservation. To boot he's successfully fucked up the ecosystem...So that he could have a little fun. This is the second time this individual has been in prosecuted for the illegal killing of a protected animal (a few years ago he poached a protected black bear in the US). Obviously the consequences he received were not enough to deter him from doing it again.

Instead of dismissing this problem with the "others have it worse someplace else" argument let's address them...One by one. The issue here at hand is poaching. It's a major problem. The importance of this issue does not take away from the importance of any other issue. There are four white rhinos left in existence. There are 3200 individual tigers left. We have an opportunity to do right by this animal who was so brutally and wrongfully killed. We seldom have that chance. We have an opportunity to talk about it. We have an opportunity to make an example of the person who committed such an atrocity. We have an opportunity to start changing the notion that might makes right. This is no different than telling someone to shut the hell up about how they're not being paid enough to eat, because some people don't have jobs.

God. Cecil was already given a slow, painful death, decapitated, and skinned. Let's not shit on his memory too by diluting or cheapening the circumstances surrounding his death. You want to advocate for animal rights? You've got a perfect poster child right here.

[–]Feargus1 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was really well put, thanks for helping me understand the situation better.

[–]rachel_soup[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly.

[–]MsCynicalMaster of the manly sneeze 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

but he was a shit shot

I wish this would be more commonly broadcasted. Not only is this bloke a horrible, horrible excuse for a human, but he couldn't even be a competent marksman.

Hope the Americans extradite him, and the Zimbabweans fine/jail him as much as they can under the law.

[–]LucyAndDiamondsI'm here to burgle your turts! 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was pretty shocked at this part too. While I am disgusted by people who hunt because they find pleasure in it, there is a huge difference between those who hunt responsibly and those who don't. The fact that this dude has had issues of this kind before (seriously) and did the same damn thing again, suggests to me the dude lacks the same respect for the ecosystem that most hunters and fishers have.

This man also bragged publicly about his archery skills stating he could "skewer a playing card from 100 yards." He's arrogant and overconfident. No hunter I know would encourage or support this kind of thinking.

[–]theanxietyinsideme 85ポイント86ポイント  (81子コメント)

From an ethical viewpoint, I feel worse for the cattle that suffer the majority of their lives versus this lion that suffered for a day or so?

But I am with you on the abortion front.

[–]TheFutureMsKitty 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

But you'd feel worst of all when it's your pet cat or dog that's killed, right? The lion was the star of the wild life reserve. He was a national pet. That's the reason people are upset.

[–]thebeginningistheend 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The solution to this ethical quandary is either a lot less killing or a whole lot more.

Hopefully the former.

[–]anarkittieFriends of Durruti are Friends of Your Booty. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel worse for the cattle that suffer the majority of their lives

Agreed.

On dairy farms, even the "happy" free range farms, cows have their babies taken from them shortly after birth. This means ALL dairy farms abuse their cows. (If being separated from your child isn't abuse, I don't know what is.) Cows are mammals like us, and feel very attached to their children. When separated they feel and express grief and anguish.

This is about a visit to a "happy" free-range farm: http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/ar-appointment.html

This is the sound the author describes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBnZPJJ2QG4

[–]IDreamofLokiHooray for mutated MC1R gene! 30ポイント31ポイント  (3子コメント)

People also brought abortion into a post about a snake who swallowed a porcupine and subsequently died when the quills tore up the stomach lining. These nutjobs probably think about abortion more than the people who get them. And trophy hunting is not like meat-hunting, it's cruel and wasteful. Cecil's killing was also canned, there was no 'sportsmanship' involved, it was almost as bad as shooting at a horse trapped in a corral.

[–]SudenveriThe Dr. Herbert West of Cock 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

People also brought abortion into a post about a snake who swallowed a porcupine and subsequently died when the quills tore up the stomach lining.

I...what? I don't...I don't understand. What do those two things have to do with each other?

[–]IDreamofLokiHooray for mutated MC1R gene! 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

People were saying things like "Aww, poor snake!/Poor porcupine/What an awful way to die for both animals!"

Apparently the pro-life nuts were offended that people had the audacity to feel bad for the animals when lots of ebil, sex-havin' wimmins are killing millions of babies a year.

[–]erly 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel the same. I grew up eating meat my dad hunted, but he brought back a ton of food and let nothing go to waste. One moose lasted in the freezer for A YEAR. He kept the hide and antlers and let skilled folks take the bones etc.

If you are not hunting for sustenance or to protect yourself/your livelihood, I can't help but wonder what is being compensated for.

[–]Hobbes_Loves_Tuna 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

...my ultra conservative brother said it wasnt a tragedy because malaria exists. I don't even fuckin know

[–]Fairy_floss84Cat mama 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

The way we treat cattle makes me sick

Killing animals just for sport is fucking disgusting. I can't get over it and I am so sad for that poor thing.

[–]TheFutureMsKitty 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I recently drove from LA to Big Sur along the coast, and the cattle had such amazing real restate to roam and graze! Then we took the 5 home, the inland freeway, and the poor cows were all jammed together and there wasn't even any grass for them, just black dirt and poop and prison cells. I vowed to only by grass fed free-to-roam dairy products from then on! Double the price of cheese is worth it to not contribute to such horror, when perfectly fine cow conditions can be found across the mountains!

[–]rachel_soup[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree, we treat cattle pretty terribly and I do not condone that whatsoever.

[–]Fluttershychotic 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Definitely a lot of feelings here.

We eat just about everything. We are told that we need to have a balanced diet from a variety of sources. Yes, animals we farm and eat are treated like shit.

Having an animal killed for no other reason than because you want to is definitely not the same as slaughtering animals for food. Consuming other things to continue yourself is what species do. If you think we are beyond that. No, we are waaay off.

I believe that a day will come where everything is great and harmonious. Until that day we need to be aware and improve things. At the same time not kid ourselves. Killing a protected animal vs killing things bred for food and isn't endangered and is at least used to ensure our survival as a species, that's just not on the same level.

If you want to raise awareness. Don't do it with bad comparisons. You lose your intellectual audience that way and only get a bunch of Facebook likes in return.

[–]Poopoodemons 24ポイント25ポイント  (13子コメント)

I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion but I have to disagree. I don't really think it makes sense for anyone to be outraged by a lion being killed (even though he was a famous and important lion) when they participate in the mass slaughter of other animals. The "waste" argument is relative to what humans consider to be useful. It's just as wasteful to breed animals for food when you can be entirely sustained and healthy without meat; as it is wasteful to kill an animal for sport or its head or its pelt. Neither are necessary. Idk it's pretty common to see "animal lovers" coming out of the woodwork when they've never done a single thing for animal welfare and in fact participate in an ethically, and environmentally irresponsible practice every day.

But I completely agree about the abortion comparison, that is quite a leap they are trying to make with that one.

[–]fz-independent 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree!

[–]rachel_soup[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think there's a difference between poaching endangered and protected animals versus animals that are specifically bred for human consumption.

[–]Poopoodemons 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

the only differences I see are the ones humans arbitrarily assigned to them. It's not necessary to eat meat, but we do it out of taste and convenience. It's not necessary to hunt wild game. But we do it out of sport and to obtain their pelts etc

[–]N_las 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't want to sound dissmisive, but have you really thought about that?

Imagine slavery of black people in the US would still be a thing. There sure would be people who argue: 'I think there's a difference between enslaving endagnered and protected people like Tibetans verus people that are specifically bred for cotton farming.'

If the guy would have caught the lion instead of killing him, and 'bred' him for human consumption. Would that make it perfectly fine to slaughter his cubs?

[–]oncemoreforluck 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

We aren't about to run out of cows. As long as we plan on eating them they will be plentiful, but your grandchildren may well be reading about lions in the same context I read about woolly mammoth's or dodo birds, because of poachers.

If we decide to start mass producing lions and they are as plentiful as chickens and cows then the death of one will be much less dramatic.

[–]YOLOSWAGGINS1337 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If our consumption of animal products remains steady, your grandchildren will wonder what lions were like the same way they wonder what winter was like. The context here being, animal agriculture is the leading cause of climate change. It's not about running out of cows.

[–]IDreamofLokiHooray for mutated MC1R gene! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not all of us are comfortable with modern meat farming, either. I am currently trying to give up meat, it's just a lifelong habit that's been somewhat difficult to break. My pharmacist friend at work is Hindu and doesn't eat flesh, so he's has been a big help, too, suggesting legumes and different types of food that provide the nutrition I need without eating meat. Lentils are pretty amazing little things.

[–]RedHotCupycakethere is only zuul 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've seen a lot of contrasts drawn between the page people expressed over the killing of the lion to the lack of outcry over the deaths of many black Americans lately, but I missed the abortion crazy train. Do tell their reasoning

[–]eleshnorn1 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah seriously how does killing one lion even begin to compare to daily mass killing of over 116,000 cows every day?

[–]oncemoreforluck 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cause lions are dwindling and cows won't be at risk of goin extinct anytime soon?

[–]shaynaxnicole 11ポイント12ポイント  (10子コメント)

Okay, since there's comments in here about it, this is what's pissing me off.

People are saying that I am not allowed to be upset over the killing of this animal for FUN and not FOOD because I eat meat. Animals kill animals for food, humans kill animals for food. We have the fucking teeth MADE to eat meat. Do not tell me I am not allowed to be pissed over the ILLEGAL killing of an endangered animal because some prick wanted to have fun.

Yes, I know how the majority of animals are killed in America. I would LOVE to be able to buy my meat from a place that humanely kills their animals, but I currently live paycheck to paycheck and can't afford that. My SO and I know for a fact that when we can afford it, we are buying meat and dairy from a place where we know how they were killed, we know their living conditions, and we know how they are treated.

This was the same bullshit with the stuff with the dog festival a month or so ago.

I know someone's going to comment and say "you could just not eat meat." No. I can't. I would absolutely starve to death.

In short, do not fucking tell me I'm not allowed to be pissed over this.

Also this is not directed at you OP.

[–]eratoastthere's probably ice cream in my hair 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

PREACH.

Look, I don't give a fuck if you're a vegetarian or a vegan or what the fuck ever. That's your choice. It's my choice to eat meat/dairy of some type. It's my choice to choose to purchase certain products and not other. It's my choice to be upset about this beautiful, wild creature being hunted for fun. How dare anyone call me a hypocrite because I don't self-flagellate and be sad over omg all the animals, and choose to be upset over this one lion. How dare anyone say, "Well, you don't support animal welfare because you eat meat and cheese," because you don't fucking know my business.

[–]freakspeak 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I haven't eaten meat in quite a while. How am I not dead?

[–]MeggywenBisexually Lingual 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

Context don't real; which is why I feel it's also appropriate to compare all of the above to swatting a mosquito or stepping on an ant! You know, since we're gonna get cray-cray.

[–]rachel_soup[S] 21ポイント22ポイント  (7子コメント)

I was going to comment back on the Facebook post, but it was literally all dudes. And his comment with like 8 likes was:

"Women abort nearly 1,000,000 babies a year and no one cares about that. :("

THE RAGE.

[–]Poopoodemons 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh yeah no one cares, that's why there's protests outside of abortion clinics and abortion doctors are literally murdered for it. /s

[–]orangeunrhymedMan Hands: resident jar opener and basketball palmer 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those kinds of people care less about aborted fetuses than the attention they receive from their anti-abortion posts. Fucking ghouls, the lot of them.

[–]MeggywenBisexually Lingual 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

People do care; we just don't care that they care (at least to the extent that they don't interfere with our lives, which is like their goal).

[–]forsakensolace 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's also assuming that every single woman who aborts a baby gives zero fucks. I mean, it's going to differ from woman to woman, but there are tons of women who CARE that they had an abortion. (Fuck even if not the emotional impact an abortion isn't exactly PLEASANT motherfuckers.)

[–]TheGoodWife77 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I fucking hate it when men on reddit (I don't interact with men like that IRL) say that a women's right to choose is some sort of carefree entitlement, with absolutely no physical, psychological and moral burden.

[–]dirty_harrietpunk rock skank with a heart of gold 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly! If a woman chooses to have an abortion, she most likely had a long, difficult process in making that decision. People don't just get abortions like a tetanus shot.

[–]IDreamofLokiHooray for mutated MC1R gene! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. Women don't get purposely knocked up and then go have an abortion for "sport". They don't take the fetus and have it stuffed and mounted on the wall so they can brag about what a big woman they are.

[–]qloria 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh god i had this same fucking thing. "If you aren't vegan you have no right to complain." Dude wasn't vegan either. I'm just like.... trying to be level headed and not just call him stupid but god he apparently doesn't see the different between livestock and exotic, protected animals. Or the difference between hunting for sport and hunting for food.

I mean the mother fucker took the head and the skin and left everything else to rot. That's fucking different.

[–]draw_it_nowHas a ticklish Y chromosome 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit! I think you witnessed both extremes of the political spectrum there!

[–]Djeter998Comfort food junkie in high heels 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I understand this, but from my perspective it really sucks when people get all up in arms about animal rights every once in awhile. We get angry on social media and then forget about it. Meanwhile animal abuse like poor treatment of livestock and puppy mills happen every damn day. This is like KONY 2012 all over again, but with a badass lion. And yes, OF COURSE it's shitty that he killed Cecil, and he's a twat who should be professionally ruined, but I still don't get why people can't have similar reactions to other animals that suffer needlessly every day.

[–]anarkittieFriends of Durruti are Friends of Your Booty. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

On dairy farms, even the "happy" free range ones, the cows are ALWAYS abused by having their babies taken from them shortly after birth. (If being separated from your child isn't abuse, I don't know what is.) The cows feel grief and anguish and they express this.

This is about a visit to a "happy" free-range farm: http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/ar-appointment.html

This is the sound the author describes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBnZPJJ2QG4