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[–]wongo 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 4時間 前 (2子コメント)
it's just so crazy to me that this is such a big deal. just saw some other people in another thread going back and forth about this, too.
1) it's perfectly acceptable for there to be multiple pronunciations
2) I'm not sure if there's such a thing as an authority on the pronunciation of acronyms, and I'm not sure there should be
3) the inventor is not the ultimate authority, but I don't think we should completely ignore his input, either
4) in the end, it's totally subjective. someone in this thread said "jiff" just feels stupid to say. for some reason, I feel the opposite -- "jiff" just feels right, while "ghiff" feels wrong, even though "gift" is perfectly normal. doesn't make any sense to me.
5) it's an arbitrary pronunciation of an essentially arbitrary acronym -- we can call little moving pictures on our computers whatever the fuck we want, what does it matter?
[–]Monkeyavelli 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
Never. This is worth dying or killing for. Those who pronounce it incorrectly are monstrous abominations, affronts to human dignity that cannot be endured.
The only solution is found in the camps, and I'll tell you now fence-sitters like you have a one-way ticket.
[–]jamesbondq 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間 前 (0子コメント)
It's just kind of funny that a file extension is like the epitome of something that's been standardized, and the one remaining aspect of its existence is suddenly not.
[–]Sgt_Jiggles 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 7時間 前 (1子コメント)
Aaaaaaand here we go... http://www.olsenhome.com/gif/pronounce-gif.gif
[–]Poopship_Destroyer 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 3時間 前 (0子コメント)
Elmer G.
[–]Ex-Rumia 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間 前 (1子コメント)
It's not about gif/jiff, is about whether or not you pronounce the . before the extension.
[–]ecnepsnai 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 1時間 前 (0子コメント)
DOT JAY PEG
[–]adaminc 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 8時間 前 (51子コメント)
It's gif, like jif, or geography.
[–]PenguinPerson 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 6時間 前 (11子コメント)
I disagree. Its GIF with a G and by reading your orher comments you feel way too strongly about this so yeah I plan to egg you on a bit. Just because its creator acted like he had a speech impediment when he said it doesn't mean that the rest of the world should emulate him.
Its a simple Tomato Tomato situation (which might be an even bigger argument than the gif vs retarded jif one).
[+]adaminc スコアが基準値未満のコメント-11ポイント-10ポイント-9ポイント 6時間 前 (10子コメント)
Is saying jee-ography, for Geography, a speech impediment? What about jin for Gin?
No, some people are just upset they have been pronouncing it wrong all these years, because the guy who invented the acronym decided to pronounce it differently than how they assumed.
If you pronounce it gif instead of jif, you are doing it wrong, it's as simple as that.
[–]PenguinPerson 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 6時間 前 (6子コメント)
I say you can keep your jifs and I will stick to my gifs because to me an probably most people gif gift gig give gill guilt and most things starting with G have a hard G pronunciation.
Also just saying Jif feels sorta... stupid?
[+]adaminc スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8ポイント-7ポイント-6ポイント 6時間 前 (5子コメント)
It is only as stupid as Gin. It's only as stupid as renaming any other invention because you can't be bothered to look up what it's actually called.
[–]PenguinPerson 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 6時間 前 (4子コメント)
It appears your entire argument hinges on the reasoning that since the creator said it that way it is law and no matter how retarded it sounds it must stay.
Sadly that is not a commonly shared view friend.
Pronouncing something the way its spelt on the otherhand is and though there are acceptions to the rule gif does not meet any of them.
[–]anttirt 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 5時間 前 (0子コメント)
Pronouncing something the way its spelt
Wait, are we still talking about English?
[–]adaminc -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 5時間 前 (2子コメント)
Whether or not it sounds bad is highly subjective. Acronyms do not follow any sort of standard for pronunciation, thus it is pronounced the way the creator stated it.
That is a commonly shared view, especially when it comes to naming an invention.
Pronouncing something the way it is spelled has never been a hard and fast rule in English, simply because English borrows from so many other languages. If you don't have a grasp of the general roots of the words in the language, than you are most likely going to be wrong if we follow your idea.
It is why fructose is pronounced frook-tose and not fruck-tose. For example.
[–]PenguinPerson 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間 前 (1子コメント)
I think your argument is pretty dead in the water friend. Best chance you got now is to provide links as to your reasoning instead of using loose connections between words.
[–]adaminc 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間 前 (0子コメント)
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/tech/web/pronounce-gif/
[–]Tetraca 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 5時間 前 (2子コメント)
Arbitrary authority does not determine pronunciation. Usage determines pronunciation. As soon as a word is created it is no longer under the purview of its creator but the people who use it. If enough people pronounce and understand the word gif with a hard G, it becomes is as valid a pronunciation as pronouncing fillet as "fill-ay" instead of "fill-it" or saying "axe" in lieu of "ask". If you're part of a group which doesn't pronounce it one way you might get irritated by the pronunciation of the other, but linguistically they are not viewed as wrong to say it the way they do. As such, I would argue that both pronunciations are wholly valid.
Language is an organic thing. It is constantly being naturally twisted and adjusted by native speakers to suit their preferences and purposes in a variety of ways. If the listener clearly understands what has been communicated by the speaker, the rules of pronunciation and grammar have been followed well enough to achieve their purpose.
[–]dftba-ftw 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間 前 (1子コメント)
This is exactly why I pronounce imgur "mmm grrr" , If the creators wanted it to be pronounce "Im a jer" then they should have ficken spelled it that way.
[–]leebenningfield 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間 前 (0子コメント)
well, .img is prounced "dot image", but it's in reference to a disk image, not a visual image, so I think imgur is just a dumb name for a (visual) image hosting website.
[–]shenanigansenOwl Turd[S] 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3時間 前 (1子コメント)
for.gif me.
[–]adaminc 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間 前 (0子コメント)
clever!
[–]jazzped 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間 前 (7子コメント)
Or, you know...
Gif, like gift, not jift.
[–]adaminc -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 1時間 前 (6子コメント)
Like Gin?
[–]jazzped 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間 前 (5子コメント)
I'm really trying to find a word starting by the letters "g-i-f" that pronounces the "G" as a "J", if you could that would be great!
I think using the same letters as in the relevant term is a better way to determine the pronunciation of a word.
[–]adaminc 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間 前 (4子コメント)
If you think that using the same pronunciation as the expansion is a better way, which does make some sense, than you need to start saying jay-pheg for JPEG, or really any acronym that includes the word photograph, or phone, or phoenix, or physics, or physical, or or any of the other digraph.
Look at PhD, that Ph should be pronounced as an F, as in Philosophy (Doctorate of Philosophy)
[–]jazzped 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 54分 前 (3子コメント)
I agree that it doesn't make sense to determine the pronunciation of an acronym based on the pronunciation of each word the acronym is built on. We're on the same page on this one.
Please note that I never mentioned that it was a good thing to keep the hard G based on the word "Graphical".
I just can't find a word starting by the letters "G-I-F" that uses a soft "G". If there is no other word in English that uses a soft "G" when starting by the letters "G-I-F", then I think it's counterproductive and ridiculous to create a new pronunciation rule just for a single word.
[–]adaminc 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 52分 前 (2子コメント)
It's not really a word though, it's an acronym. Acronyms aren't actually words, even though they are sometimes pronounced like them.
[–]jazzped 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 50分 前 (1子コメント)
Previously, it was only an acronym.
It's now considered as a noun by many dictionaries though.
[–]adaminc 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 47分 前 (0子コメント)
I did not know that.
[–]theymightbegreat 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 8時間 前 (25子コメント)
yeah, just like Jrafic Interchange Format, huh?
[–]ElGoddamnDorado 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 7時間 前 (0子コメント)
Yep, because that's totally how acronyms work.
[–]boothroyd917 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 4時間 前 (2子コメント)
Just playing devil's advocate here, but if that's your argument for why it's a soft G, then why isn't NATO pronounced NaahTO? Or why isn't SCUBA pronounced SCuhhBA? Just because gif is an acronym, doesn't mean you automatically have to follow the same pronunciation as the original word in the acronym.
[–]omnilynx 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間 前 (1子コメント)
An example with a consonant change would be more persuasive. Vowels have always been pretty malleable.
[–]boothroyd917 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間 前 (0子コメント)
Ok, you don't pronounce the other photo file extension jfeg, correct?
[+]adaminc スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 7時間 前 (20子コメント)
No, just like the creator of the format says it is pronounced. Didn't know that, huh?
[–]psykulor 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 7時間 前 (18子コメント)
The creator doesn't get to decide on a counterintutive pronunciation.
[–]adaminc -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 7時間 前 (17子コメント)
Yes, actually, they do. There is no defined way to pronounce an acronym, so the creator gets to choose.
[–]psykulor 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 7時間 前 (16子コメント)
I think common use should get to choose, and I think common use should be the pronunciation that's not the same as an entire other thing. If someone shows me a "jif" image, I'm expecting to see some peanut butter.
[–]adaminc -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 7時間 前 (15子コメント)
You can think whatever you want, that doesn't make it true or right. The person who comes up with the acronym gets to create its pronunciation, and you just have to live with it.
It's pronounced jif, because that is what the creator wanted, to make it sound like the popular peanut butter, it also came with the slogan "Choosy programmers choose gif", to mock the PB.
To further cement that it is a soft G. Think of JPEG, you don't say jay-phag, do you? The P coming from Photography. No, you don't, you say jay-peg.
[–]workerbee77 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 6時間 前 (8子コメント)
You can think whatever you want, that doesn't make it true or right.
Same goes to you.
[–]adaminc -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 6時間 前 (7子コメント)
Except it isn't just my opinion, it is a fact.
[–]workerbee77 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 5時間 前 (5子コメント)
And, I suppose, the only meaning of any text is the one the author intended?
[–]psykulor 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 7時間 前 (3子コメント)
Why do you think the creator gets to choose? Who decided that? You can think that a word will never outgrow its coiner, that doesn't make it true or right.
The part about the peanut butter slogan is cute, but it doesn't make that pronunciation easier or more correct. Let's shoot for clarity here!
And ph- is a dipthong. I don't pronounce it jay-phag because there's not an H in it; P alone never makes the "f" sound. Whereas G can make a hard or soft sound.
[–]adaminc 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 6時間 前 (2子コメント)
Acronyms aren't words. They don't have any set rules for pronunciation, thus why the creators chooses how it is pronounced.
The peanut butter slogan lends credence to the way it is pronounced.
Also, ph isn't a dipthong, it is a diagraph, a replacement for f where f didn't exist.
[–]psykulor 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 6時間 前 (1子コメント)
Acronyms are totally words! That's the difference between an acronym and an initialism. Concessions should be made for right usage in this case!
And thank you for correcting me - I've been using "dipthong" wrong all these years! I'll keep in mind that ph is a digraph. But it is a digraph, not a standard P sound, so the example still doesn't hold.
[–]Afronerd 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7時間 前 (0子コメント)
That's not true in practice otherwise servers would be filled with sexy hard drives.
No, you don't, you say jay-peg.
It's jay-pej
[–]Jottor 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間 前 (0子コメント)
We are aware that the inventor has a speech impediment.
[–]oh-just-another-guy 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7時間 前 (0子コメント)
I should try saying it as jee-eye-ef and see what happens :-)
In Danish, "geografi" is pronounced with a hard "g". So is .gif
[–]psykulor 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7時間 前 (0子コメント)
It's gif, like ghif, or gills.
[–]krazy_dragon 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間 前 (0子コメント)
If you have to spell it differently ( jiff ) to get your point across, you're pronouncing it wrong.
π Rendered by PID 25340 on app-63 at 2015-07-28 21:06:28.828212+00:00 running b0f0db5 country code: JP.
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