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[–]FartKilometre 247ポイント248ポイント  (49子コメント)

SomethingAwful had this process years ago.

Break a small rule/shitpost? Probated, very short ban usually around 24 hours.

Break a rule/keep breaking the same small ones/shitpost? Banned, can no longer access forums. Re-register or buy an unban.

Still haven't learned? Permabanned, you cannot re-register. Perma'd posters who re-reg and get found out (they'll always go back to their old habits) instant perma on new account.

Then there was the Hellban. Saved only for the worst offenders who would just keep making new accounts and pissing away money, the Hellban allowed them to still see the forums and make posts and replies, but nobody else could see them.

[–]Scout_022 62ポイント63ポイント  (0子コメント)

The hellban sounds a lot like the "miserable users" function.

[–]old_to_me_downvoter 56ポイント57ポイント  (16子コメント)

As a longtime Goon anytime I hear people moaning about banning on Reddit, I think "You wouldn't last long on SA"

[–]FartKilometre 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

Agreed, but it's shifted quite a bit lately. I used to main in GBS until it became 2.0 and now it's just a trash heap.

[–]Jakeman52 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rip GBS Doto thread 2012.

[–]gargoyle_mayonnaise 50ポイント51ポイント  (10子コメント)

I didn't last long on SA. I was a lurker for years, I paid for an account, posted a photoshop thread and got instantly perma banned. There was a rule that only mods or something could use the PS tag even though I had the ability to use it, and I didn't know about the rule, whatever. That's how SA rolls. Rules are scattered around here and there, it costs $$ to sign up, and if you fuck up you're out money. I didn't create a new account and went back to lurking for a while, but haven't been back since I found reddit. The quality of their main page content has gotten a lot lamer since then anyways so I don't miss it much.

[–]Talran 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

I actually forgot SA has a frontpage. I haven't been since 9/11 or something.

[–]gargoyle_mayonnaise 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

I used to love Photoshop Phridays but there hasn't been an outstanding one in ages. /r/photoshopbattles has been cranking out better content every day for years.

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    [–]keanex 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm surprised I haven't been banned. It depends on where you post though.

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      [–]moeburn 12ポイント13ポイント  (16子コメント)

      Why anyone would knowingly purchase a forum account to such an authoritarian regime is beyond me.

      [–]Talran 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Because it's a cult. Plus it's only like 70 bucks a month, and we can talk about all the monster trucks we want. ymmv tho

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          [–]StrikeTheRoots 552ポイント553ポイント  (356子コメント)

          Why are people mostly getting shadow ban? If it's for botting why isn't this a good solution?

          [–]Deimorz[A] 265ポイント266ポイント  (19子コメント)

          The user in the video was banned for trying to use about 1000 accounts to vote up his submissions. More info here: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/3euqwf/reddit_autoshadow_banning/ctj5o31?context=3

          [–]heapofshit 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

          aaaaaand there it is.

          [–]naraic42 22ポイント23ポイント  (9子コメント)

          If only you could do that for every shadowban. Seriously, why not just be able to type in a quick reason for a shadowban, and the reason can show up on their 404d profile or a dedicated subreddit or something.

          [–]mutttbuncher 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Because spam detection is about security through obscurity

          [–]jetRink 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I think a good compromise would be to silently ban for a random period of time (three days to a week, say) and then notify the user. By that time, any spambot operator would have detected the ban anyway and they still won't be able to pinpoint what got them banned. It would make the process more transparent without diminishing its effectiveness.

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            [–]Kontu 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

            This kind of defeats the point of a shadowban really. It exists so that the user doesn't actually realize they are banned, tricking them into continuing to use their banned account and not knowing they need to make a new one

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              [–]aatomix 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Cool to get legit info

              [–]Odica 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Appreciate the context. There's always a flipside to a story.

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                [–]qkthrv17 64ポイント65ポイント  (61子コメント)

                My other account got banned on subredditdrama and shadowbanned shortly after like a year or two ago.

                In my case, they were raiding a post (because although all the non-participation rules it's pretty obvious when people from there appear in a big group) about intellectual property. And although the post quoted on the original SRD did indeed sound quite stupid I felt curious about why he thought that way and so I started talking with the guy and asking him stuff and so I got banned. I broke the rules, but if the one that banned me had a little common sense I wouldn't be with this account now; I wasn't teasing anybody, I wasn't trashing anything, I was being polite and genuinely curious about the thing.

                Anyway, people get banned on online communities for almost anything. You can be doing your thing for years until one day you find that shitty admin/dude whose friend is an admin and then you just disappear (I've been banned so many times this way, and I'm not even rude or anything, I sw). Happens everywhere and nobody cares. Happens in real life with suicides, murders and what not and still people don't care; expecting otherwise in online forums when we're talking just about accounts is just nuts.

                [–]hydromorphone_dream 34ポイント35ポイント  (7子コメント)

                SRD has degraded into a joke. The SRD of a few years ago would be making fun of the posts in SRD now. It's basically just an extension of SRS, and "drama" to them is only when there's controversy over one of their hot button issues, and only when their side is painted in a positive light.

                Otherwise, it's not drama or it's not relevant enough or whatever. It's a pretty bad subreddit.

                Why did you get shadowbanned from the whole site though? I'm still confused; mods from SRD can't shadowban you from the complete site, can they? Did you just get banned because they had influence on the admins?

                [–]IAmAWhaleProstitute 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

                The SRD of a few years ago had constant mod infighting and internal drama. There were multiple offshoot subs made because of how shitty the place was getting and at one point the entire mod list was scrubbed clean because they couldn't get their shit together. Even when the sub was first created people were calling it shit. It's a sub about petty drama, it's never going to be some happy little utopia.

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                  [–]fuihud 7ポイント8ポイント  (48子コメント)

                  that seems like an innocuous mistake to me, i mean all reddit does is serves as a platform for people to reach out to each other

                  but i am confused by what you said about getting banned for reaching out and talking to the OP mentioned in the post crossposted to SRD. how did the admins of subredditdrama find out?

                  did you pm that OP and it was a private conversation? did you post publicly in the thread? even then, how did the admins find out about the rule violation? did somebody report you or what the ban automated?

                  this is getting a bit too confusing for me when there's so many custom rules for the thousands of subreddits out there...

                  [–]doomngloom80 29ポイント30ポイント  (33子コメント)

                  SRD has a bunch of users who watch for people commenting after it was posted to SRD. The assumption then is that you came from there, so they report you and it's a ban. They take great pride in this and you'll sometimes see bragging about reporting people.

                  We could discuss the type of person who has nothing better to do than watch posts with the sole intent of "tattling" on a complete stranger, but that's another topic.

                  [–]hydromorphone_dream 23ポイント24ポイント  (16子コメント)

                  The SRD community has become filled with that type of user. SRS type person. Little internet warriors who's only happiness in life is in making small inconveniences for the people they disagree with (or for them, vitriolic hate) and circlejerking about it.

                  [–]Stuck_in_a_cubicle 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  As someone who has messaged the mods about "popcorn pissers" in SRD I can tell you guys are pretty off base. The reason why people do this is so the subreddit itself does not get banned. If the mods of the subreddit did nothing to curb brigading (commenting on linked drama fits this) the admins could ban the subreddit.

                  But what you have said is kinda funny considering the biggest criticism of SRD is that it is SRS-lite. And the biggest criticism of SRS is that they brigade. So, you hear SRD takes steps to curb brigading and ban people who brigade and your first thought is to call them SRS because of it? Makes sense.

                  [–]glirkdient 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  You can't stop brigading. There is no way to figure out who is voting. Only people stupid enough to comment sometimes get banned. It has done nothing to curb brigading as that is still a large issue.

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                            [–]adnzzzzZ 21ポイント22ポイント  (11子コメント)

                            There's no way to know why it happens. If you try contacting mods depending on your luck you'll either get half answers or no answers at all. If you search for some posts that list possible reasons to getting shadowbanned it's basically a huge list of stuff, and in there are many completely normal actions that anyone who uses the Internet is bound to do sometimes, like "following a link from another website to reddit and upvoting".

                            [–]5k3k73k 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I became aware that I was shadowbanned earlier this year. I messaged the admins regarding why, they responding with "vote brigading". Nothing more specific than that. After doing some research I found out that "vote brigading" is following a link in a topic or comment on Reddit that leads to a different topic or comment on Reddit and then voting on that topic or comment. Which I am sure I did, hyperlinking is the essence of the World Wide Web. I promised not to do it again and I was unbanned.

                            [–]Mynameisnotdoug 22ポイント23ポイント  (7子コメント)

                            Mods can't shadowban. Shadowban is a very specific thing that is reddit wide and can only be done at the admin level.

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                                [–]thaweatherman[S] 1167ポイント1168ポイント  (606子コメント)

                                It should be noted that I did not make this video. It is a friend who was an active mod on /r/lockpicking before he was banned in this manner

                                EDIT: went to sleep after posting this. RIP my inbox in pepperonis

                                [–]picflute 292ポイント293ポイント  (484子コメント)

                                Did he ever ask why he was SB?

                                [–]onlysame1 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                cuz he had created a spamming bot

                                [–]AbominableSnowmang 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Sounds like he made spam bots. Not sure why any of this is outrageous. I'd rather Reddit not be overrun with annoying bots, this helps that. When he first types in a username look at how many different accounts drop down.

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                                  [–]ayyyyyyy-lmao 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  Does anyone know how this effects tor users?

                                  The tor browser has tried very hard to evade browser fingerprinting techniques and make each user indistinguishable, and there will often be many reddit users sharing the same exit node ip

                                  Could this cause a blanket shadow ban on thousands of tor users by reddit automatically flagging the tor browser bundle fingerprint and tor exit node ip addresses because of one guy getting shadow banned?

                                  [–]quacainia 45ポイント46ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                  I feel like someone should point out that his incognito browser doesn't have a different IP, so it is probably a cookie thing and if you clear your cookies then maybe it would stop doing that.

                                  Just an aimless guess from watching a video though.

                                  [–]streuth_mate 155ポイント156ポイント  (90子コメント)

                                  You know what should really scare ? - I have had several accounts all well over 5 years, 100k karma etc - banned - OUTRIGHT.

                                  You know why ?

                                  Same reason this one will be banned.

                                  For revealing THIS.

                                  Reddit tracks all users across all accounts and profiles them into a single user account.

                                  So anyone who has a normal account and develops a THROW AWAY to reveal something secret about themselves is automatically linked back to that account.

                                  SO there is no throwaway, there is no secret accounts, second accounts - they are all linked.

                                  There - I said it - AGAIN - streuth_mate it was good knowing you - fare thee well.

                                  .

                                  [–]Isord 260ポイント261ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                  You don't use a throwaway to hide things from Reddit or the NSA. You use a throwaway to hide something from friends or family that know your primary account.

                                  You'd have to be a bit of a dunce to think that changing your screen name and posting from the exact same IP address is going to make you hidden from all prying eyes.

                                  [–]socsa 180ポイント181ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  Of course they do. Welcome to forum technology from 2004.

                                  [–]heroinhero 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Pretty sure every web server software since the beginning of the internet has had IP logging capabilities.

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                                    [–]HowdyDoodlyDoo 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    The whole point of a throwaway is for when people know your main username.

                                    [–]Teh_Compass 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    Right? If I was going I post that I fap to Brazilian midget fart porn I would do it on a throwaway because I wouldn't want that seen on this account.

                                    If I didn't want it to be linked to me at all I would use a proxy, different browser, different PC, different physical location, whatever.

                                    Why would I care that the admins know those accounts are still me? They don't know me. They don't care about me. Half the things I say about myself probably aren't true.

                                    [–]BlatantConservative 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Still there as of 0613 EST

                                    [–]Awkward-Bear 50ポイント51ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Revealing this? Mother fuck this has been the norm since like 2002.

                                    [–]djetaine 70ポイント71ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    Lol, everyone knows this. All IP's are tracked on pretty much every website. This is not news and I highly doubt you were banned for revealing something that any forum user for the past 15 years has known. They can also read your private messages if they really wanted to . OH NOES!

                                    [–]complex_reduction 61ポイント62ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    lol

                                    [–]fat_genius 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    You act like this is a secret, but Reddit advertises this fact publicly

                                    When you create an account, you are required to provide a username and password, and may opt to provide an email address. We also log, and retain indefinitely, the IP address from which the account is initially created. Reddit privacy policy

                                    If you register multiple accounts from the same IP, they will be linkable. Don't bitch at Reddit because you clicked to agree without reading the policy.

                                    [–]sarmatron 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    open your eyes sheeple

                                    [–]doomsday1216 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Did you really believe you could keep your data as a user separate from Reddit without explicitly trying to do so in an overly challenging way?

                                    You may be paranoid, but you're also certainly uninformed to boot.

                                    [–]cisxuzuul 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Why not? They have your IP, they know who the throwaway goes back toward. If you do something stupid and that record needs to goto the FBI or your local investigation unit, they can track that IP through each and every router. If you are mobile, they can track it even further. While some of you want to make reddit a "free speech" hub, if you break the law or break Reddit's rules, they have the ability to know your logins by IP. If you're daft enough to be shocked at this, you're part of the fucking problem. And guess what? Voat can do the same fucking thing. Lololol

                                    [–]NK___ 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    You can use a different browser + VPN or TOR if you really want a throwaway for something that could get you in trouble.

                                    [–]dinosaurs_quietly 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Calm down and remove the tinfoil, you're not getting banned.

                                    You know what an IP address is right? No shit Reddit can link your accounts, every website can.

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                                        [–]strallweat 98ポイント99ポイント  (58子コメント)

                                        There's a difference between the normal shadow ban and the ip shadowban. You have to break some of the more serious rules to get an IP ban.

                                        [–]sethboy66 26ポイント27ポイント  (30子コメント)

                                        They don't really IP ban actually, because any person can change their IP in the matter of minutes, or if you know what you're doing you can set things up to change your IP every time you reconnect to a server.

                                        I'm not sure how precisely they perma ban but I know of two people that since being truly perma banned have not been able to get back on Reddit from their computer. I'm thinking it's a hardware GUID ban but not sure.

                                        [–]_under_ 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        I can confidently say that there is no way any service can ban a "person". No one can do that. It's very very trivial to get around any form of ban.

                                        The only thing services can do is increase the barrier to creating a new account. Paid services do this by allowing only one account to have the same credit card. Of course, you could have multiple credit card numbers, but it's not easy getting another one.

                                        [–]piercy08 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        They probably use browser finger printing. Check this site out, it tells you how unique your browser is compared to everyone else whos tried it. I imagine this technique among others is uses to identify you.

                                        https://panopticlick.eff.org/

                                        [–]Cornfroggie 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                        Actually they do. My entire office consisting of 8 long term redditors got banned due to one person getting into an argument on reddit and calling someone by their first name. I'm happy to demonstrate it for you if you like, but the video OP posted already does.

                                        [–]uhtt 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                        OP's video demonstrates cookie based banning. He says he can use Firefox on the same computer, but not Chrome. This tells me they set a cookie in Chrome, they did not ban the IP serverside or he wouldn't be able to use Firefox either.

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                                            [–]SLUTTY_COCK_KNOB 291ポイント292ポイント  (42子コメント)

                                            I mean duh. They log your IP. All accounts you had associated with the IP when 1 of your accounts was banned are also banned. That's the entire point of stopping spammers creating bots to spam the shit out of this website. It works as intended for the most part.

                                            Now I will say it's not being used as intended. Actual users who break the broad and vague spectrum of reddit rules, say harassing a user via PM, that person should at least get a message saying they've been banned from reddit for such reason.

                                            [–]kalanosh 115ポイント116ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                            I don't think he was IP banned. He didn't get banned until he used the same incognito window. Incognito doesn't change your IP. So they have a session ID associate with that browsers process. Your browser stores that session ID like a temp cookie.

                                            His account that got shadowban first was deliberately spamming to trigger it. He then open the new account on the non-incognito window and he didn't get banned. Once he logout out of the shadowban account and loged into the new account he tripped a red flag. The Shadowban account is on the same session ID as this new account. That like having an IP, connected to a computer, thats connected to that one user still open browsers session id.

                                            Once you close your browser window it wipes the session ID.

                                            That what I think happened.

                                            [–]aveman101 79ポイント80ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                            His account that got shadowban first was deliberately spamming to trigger it.

                                            This is the point that most people here are missing. The guy in the video even described NumberWangBot as something that "just writes a bunch of spam".

                                            [–]dam072000 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                            They'd ban a lot of people that use public computers if it was just off of IP. Right?

                                            [–]kalanosh 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            That, VPNs and also most IPs are dynamic tomorrow you could have someone else shadowbanned IP.

                                            I am guessing they are using a Session ID cookie. So two users logged in, they grab the session ID see there are two or there is one present and check it to see who user attached to it during their login.

                                            [–]OrangeJuiceFarmer 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Not just public. If they're on a local network with NAT then anyone behind that router would be banned as well, like all the family members in a house or all employees at a company.

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                                              [–]Cornfroggie 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                              So what happens if you are one of the many people that accesses reddit from a shared IP like a dorm, apartment building, or office? This system sounds good in theory bit results in a lot of innocent people being banned as well.

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                                                [–]RyanKinder 48ポイント49ポイント  (37子コメント)

                                                /u/spez (the ceo of reddit) has already stated that they are working on revamping the shadowban policy. also, one can appeal shadowbans by sending a message to the admins in the sidebar at /r/reddit.com

                                                (I wonder, though, if having the phrase shadowban in the username and already having multiple shadowbanned accounts on your ip address might have caused a more immediate reaction.)

                                                [–]Shiningknight12 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                /u/spez[1] (the ceo of reddit) has already stated that they are working on revamping the shadowban policy.[2] also, one can appeal shadowbans by sending a message to the admins in the sidebar at /r/reddit.com[3]

                                                They said the same thing several years ago.

                                                Most likely, they will just rely on Redditors short attention span to hope they forget instead of changing anything.

                                                [–]Mohammed420blazeit 53ポイント54ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                You can appeal, but good luck.

                                                I was shadowbanned for voting on a submitted link in a subreddit that apparently was high profile at the time and I was accused of being part of a "brigade".

                                                I never got to speak to the admin who banned me and was only told by another admin (sporkicide) that the note left was that I "brigaded" and no admin ever responded when I asked for details or anything. I didn't even know wtf a brigade was. 5+ year account gone lol

                                                edit: mod = admin

                                                [–]RyanKinder 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                I never got to speak to the mod who banned me and was only told by another mod that the note left was that I "brigaded" and no mod ever responded when I asked for details or anything.

                                                Fwiw you said mod a few times. Mods can't shadowban. Only admins and the automated system the admins set up can.

                                                [–]Meth-Damon 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                but good luck

                                                Not really. I was using a couple of accounts for vote manipulation a month or two ago and I was shadowbanned, as were all the other accounts. I jumped to this one and asked why I was even bothering with vote manipulation anyway. After a day or two, they had shadowbanned this account despite it being unconnected recently. I messaged them and asked why, they said vote manipulation. I admitted it and they said "Don't do it again" and lifted the ban. On top of that, I got a response within a couple of hours.

                                                I don't know why other people are having so much trouble. Anytime I've ever had to message the admins for whatever reason (including reclaiming a subreddit from a dead account) they've been really prompt.

                                                I'm not defending reddit as a whole, things are going seriously downhill, but I haven't had any disrespect from the admins here. I was polite, they were polite.

                                                [–]Mohammed420blazeit 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I was just ignored.

                                                I understand completely that the admins don't care, so I made a new account.

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                                                    [–]fatbobcat 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                    Something I don't get about shadowbanning - my girlfriend recently had her account shadowbanned. We assumed this was because she repeatedly posted content from her own site to a subreddit. However, this subreddit continuously loved her content, upvoted it highly, and the mods never once said anything. She engaged in the rest of the subreddit on a daily basis, and only posted her own content perhaps once every 2 weeks. But she was shadowbanned for this. Surely it should be up to the community to moderate its own content. I understand why self-promotion isn't Reddiquette but there's a difference between self promotion of good content that the community wants and protecting against marketing and spammers. Reminds me of this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOtuEDgYTwI

                                                    [–]finitude 128ポイント129ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                    So, he made "an annoying bot" and he's wondering why he's being shadowbanned instantly? Is there more to this or is that it?

                                                    [–]JustARogue 83ポイント84ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                    Right, it's this. Even the admins that said shadow banning was being abused said they created it originally to prevent spam. Then a dude creates a bot that spams and gets shadow banned. Then the same dude creates a bunch of accounts to try and circumvent the ban and gets IP banned.

                                                    This seems like shadow banning working as intended here.

                                                    [–]chakrablocker 27ポイント28ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                    That's it, redditors throwing a meaningless tantrum again

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                                                      [–]JUST_LOGGED_IN 197ポイント198ポイント  (94子コメント)

                                                      Commenting to check if this /r/videos post ends up on /r/undelete .

                                                      [–]RyanKinder 87ポイント88ポイント  (52子コメント)

                                                      /r/videos rarely ends up there, I think. They never deleted any gamergate videos, for example.

                                                      [–]Grandfather_Clock 23ポイント24ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                      They removed the video of the SJW students who blocked anyone entrance to their college as some sort of protest. The video was deemed too political, though the video itself didn't comment on the event. It was just a portrayal of some idiots stopping people from getting an education. So no, /r/videos is not the bastion of free speech on reddit.

                                                      [–]Isord 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      Has /r/videos ever proclaimed to be a bastion of free speech? Seems like there are really clear rules in the sidebar that make it obvious it is not.

                                                      [–]dirtymoney 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      it is bizarre how r/videos will allow any video of a police officer doing good and then will remove any video of one doing bad. It creates a purposefully skewed perspective.

                                                      I say be fair about it. Show the good AND bad. NOT just one or the other like the way it is now.

                                                      One thing I have also noticed is that whenever there is some national event where some cop does something particularly egregious and it is posted to reddit.... suddenly a LOT of posts happen that shows cops in a positive light. As if there is some active group out there attempting to counter/drown-out the single depiction of the bad officer with multiple depictions of good officers.

                                                      [–]birtwistle2012 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      There is no free speech on Reddit or 4chan or anywhere, you're living in a fantasy world if you think as much. The creators themselves have clearly established this with specific rules for the website.

                                                      [–]AlwaysBeNice 68ポイント69ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                                      I remember a video of cop breaking into a marijuana dispensary on duty and taking the weed or something, it was uploaded 3 times and 3 times it shot up to the top 10 within a few hours, it was also deleted 3 times because of the bs rule:

                                                      ' 4. No Videos of Police Brutality or Police Harassment'

                                                      I thought we had an upvote and downvote system so the community could decide what goes up and down, but apparently we need rules to decide what we should see and what not.

                                                      [–]spencer32320 53ポイント54ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                      I believe one of the mods is a cop. So that would explain that.

                                                      [–]ohhyouknow7 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      This happened today with this thread.

                                                      [–]dingoperson2 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                      At least it's clear in the rules. That makes it 70% less problematic IMO.

                                                      [–]bmeckel 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      The upvote/downvote system is terrible for deciding what should and shouldn't be removed. I can pretty much guarantee that if you posted a funny picture in /r/videos and it wasn't removed, it would get tons of up votes. Does that mean that it belongs in /r/videos? No, of course not. Mod discretion is the reason subreddits are able to stay on topic, people don't seem to realize that.

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                                                          [–]jesuspunk[M] 46ポイント47ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                                          Well this doesn't break any rules so why should it?

                                                          [–]xlnqeniuz 58ポイント59ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                          Because it's your duty as a mod to be as Nazi as possible. /s

                                                          duhh

                                                          [–]SimplyPodly 24ポイント25ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                          Just saying, that no police brutality rule is EXTREMELY stupid and only good for silencing true police brutality. What is the problem with sharing videos of police brutality? Especially in a place which is supposed to be moderated by the users, we don't need bullshit rules like that.

                                                          [–]jesuspunk[M] 36ポイント37ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                          Causes nothing but problems. We have had huge witch hunting incidents and PI spreading.

                                                          Just like videos of animal abuse they serve no purpose in this community. There's no need to bring attention to them. There are other subs for that.

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                                                              [–]AlwaysBeNice 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                              Wow that undelete sub, the censorship is worse than I thought.

                                                              [–]VoatWasDown 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                              I check out /r/undelete periodically. The most interesting /r/todayilearned posts tend to end up there.

                                                              [–]darkblackspider 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              It really is something isnt it? And look, you are getting downvoted for pointing it out.

                                                              [–]thenovamaster 19ポイント20ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                              I was recently shadowbanned. According to the admins I was part of a "brigade" on /r/fphrecovery. Turns out I had found myself in that sub about three months ago and had downvoted a single post.

                                                              A single post.. and I was brigading. Watch what you disagree with out there people.

                                                              [–]moeburn 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              I thought you could only get mod banned from specific subs for "vote brigading", they're shadowbanning people from all of Reddit for following links to other subs and voting on things? Are they out of their fucking minds? That's like making it illegal to yell at people on the streets of NYC.

                                                              [–]DutchmanDavid 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                              It's not about the amount of posts/comments you make. It's about the fact that a group of users come from another subreddit and users upvote/downvote posts because these posts go against the subreddit they come from!

                                                              This is why /r/ShitRedditSays is usually accused of brigading. Someone posts a comment from another subreddit (usually in the 100+ points range) and after a few days the post will be a lot lower (lets say ~0 points). This is literally brigading.

                                                              Now you may have brigaded (whether you were aware of it or not) and therefor shadowbanned.

                                                              [–]thenovamaster 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                              So even though I'm my own entity with my own opinions that did not participate in an sort of organized suppression campaign I'm automatically attributed to them due to an over lap in opinions. I see.

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                                                                  [–]The1RGood 9ポイント10ポイント  (45子コメント)

                                                                  You know, most reddit profiling is done on your own browser. reddit saves the recent activity of profiles on your browser in cookies, so you can dodge this basic level of profiling pretty easy just by clearing your cookies.

                                                                  If you want proof of this, you can look at your network traffic in chrome, or download a cookie-editor like "EditThisCookie". There's a field called <account name>_recentclicks2 that keeps track of which account has accessed reddit from that chrome session, and a brief history of what content they've accessed.

                                                                  See, the reason this user keeps getting banned specifically in chrome is because they keep sending the same recent-access information, shadowbanned accounts and all, every time they log in, and the account is immediately flagged. That's why they can make accounts in firefox, and not chrome.

                                                                  I'd bet a month of reddit gold that if they logged out of reddit entirely, cleared cookies, and tried logging in again, the account wouldn't get banned.

                                                                  [–]roraima_is_very_tall 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  another way to tell is, absolutely no one gives you an up or downvote, no matter what you write.

                                                                  [–]StoneColdJane 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  This shadowbanning is crap shit. I was using my old account for 5 month only to realize they shadowbanned me from start. I was completely puzzled wtf no one ever replay to my comments or interact with me, at the moment I had no clue about shadowbanning, when I heard of it, I checked and made a new account.

                                                                  [–]slickety_split 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  I found a video of the admins right before they shadow ban someone with an opinion that offends them. https://youtu.be/Sy95hbGiBmI

                                                                  [–]Skipper_Blue 9ポイント10ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                  Didn't the admins specifically say that they were going to stop doing this?

                                                                  [–]MarxIzalias 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  The admins say a lot of things, like users are just gold bars.

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                                                                    [–]ChemicalGoomba 251ポイント252ポイント  (160子コメント)

                                                                    Shadowbanning scares the hell out of me. If it was for an online game or something fine, but for a site that completely depends on user interaction and discussions, it scares me.

                                                                    [–]freet0 153ポイント154ポイント  (30子コメント)

                                                                    It seems very weird that this is used instead of just a normal ban. I guess in the case of spam bots you don't want them to realize and just make a new account. But why for a legitimate account that just broke rules?

                                                                    [–]shadvich 133ポイント134ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                    Even that doesn't make sense though. It would be trivial for the bot to check its profile page without its login cookies or through a proxy and check if it's shadowbanned.

                                                                    [–]Gazareth 76ポイント77ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                    Exactly, at this point its primary function is useless. It's for people.

                                                                    [–]Barry_Scotts_Cat 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    It's impossible to put in a system that allows users to realise and bots to not realise.

                                                                    [–]Shierve 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    you can do it with the reddit api in python: 

                                                                    import praw
r = praw.Reddit('application by /u/unidan')

def is_banned(username):
    shadowbanned = False
    try:
        user = r.get_redditor(username)
    except:
        shadowbanned = True
    return shadowbanned

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                                                                      [–]TurielD 40ポイント41ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                      Because if the banned person doesnt realise they've been silenced, they won't think to complain about it through other means.

                                                                      [–]iamaManBearPig 23ポイント24ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                      If ive been shadow banned, i would find out after a few days at most. Then i either wont return to the website for while or ill make a new account. Shadow bans are stupid.

                                                                      When you are participating in the community its pretty easy to realize when you are shadowbanned.

                                                                      [–]Da_Plutonian 49ポイント50ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                      there was a dude on /r/tifu that was shadowbanned for 3 years and kept posting and didn't realize

                                                                      [–]greiton 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      You'd be surprised. I went 8 months without realizing. I thought I was just posting bad and in dead threads.

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                                                                          [–]myringotomy 21ポイント22ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                          Shadow banning somebody allows you to still show them advertisements. If you ban them they go away.

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                                                                            [–]hitler_kardashian 578ポイント579ポイント  (80子コメント)

                                                                            Shadowbanning scares the hell out of me

                                                                            Getting banned on a discussion board scares the hell out of you? Seriously?

                                                                            [–]BipolarBear0 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            2spooky4me

                                                                            [–]TessaigaVI 38ポイント39ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                            I can't stand when reddit users use buzzwords like that.

                                                                            [–]ChemicalGoomba 68ポイント69ポイント  (44子コメント)

                                                                            Well it's not the getting banned that does it for me. It's the fact that I don't know. I might write valid discussions and attempt to make a point, and it doesn't matter. The thought of spending several weeks trying to be friendly and converse and nothing happening is what scares me. I would much prefer a "you are banned" message than just praying that i'm not banned.

                                                                            [–]QQRT_Left 57ポイント58ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                            You'll get a funny feeling about it if you make like 10 or 20 posts and none of them get any upvotes or downvotes.

                                                                            [–]kangamangusmang 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                            Still it's just reddit lol. It might suck a bit but just make a new account or something once you notice. Probably shouldn't be shaking in your boots about it

                                                                            [–]Metalsand 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            Did you watch the video? They have auto-shadow banning with IP/browser, so even if you make a new account it won't matter.

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                                                                                  [–]-PiPo- 122ポイント123ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                  it scares me

                                                                                  I think you need to get out more often.

                                                                                  [–]pressbutton 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Why is there a bomb in my house? Great now I'm even more scared. Back to being scared about a fucking link aggregator then I guess

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                                                                                    [–]Black_Santa_FTW 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    You need to get a grip man.

                                                                                    [–]porkabeefy 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    Yeah, it scares me too. It scares me more than someone gang raping my kids.

                                                                                    There is nothing worse than having people not be able to read your comments on reddit.

                                                                                    [–]coffeedude7 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    Dude you need to take a long look at your life...

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                                                                                      [–]klingerfish 62ポイント63ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                      After watching this, I wanted to look at the comments, but the post was deleted. Looks like it's back now. God, reddit is shit.

                                                                                      [–]TheKinglyGuy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      He's shadowbanned but just so people know and don't go spreading this "Admins didn't do shit for this guy!" https://i.imgur.com/hu0kRzj.png[1]
                                                                                      Then a later Date https://i.imgur.com/NxhpPZB.png[2]
                                                                                      Then him being kinda a prick https://i.imgur.com/sYmLETV.png[3]
                                                                                      All this was posted here by a admin https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/3euqwf/reddit_autoshadow_banning/ctj5o31

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                                                                                        [–]SHCreeper 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                        Does that mean that when I use some public computer, I could be shadowbanned for it?

                                                                                        [–]angleglj 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Can't he just turn off auto-shadow on Direct X?

                                                                                        [–]Shadowbanned24601 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                        I was shadowbanned two weeks ago without any warning or notification. I'm not a botter (can't program, have no money to pay someone to even if I wanted to).

                                                                                        And not just my main account either, but my alternates too (I'm guessing having alternates is what got me banned, although I didn't even know it was against the rules).

                                                                                        If I broke the rules, fine, just tell me and I'll stop. Nobody wants to be banned, one final warning would do it. We quite like being on Reddit after all.

                                                                                        I can't even use the old account for PMs now. I literally started a conversation by sending myself a PM from my new account to my shadowbanned account and although it arrives, I can't reply to it (well it seems I do, but my new account never receives it, even though it clearly started the conversation).

                                                                                        A shadowban sounds nicer than an outright ban, but it's actually worse. It doesn't just kill your ability to participate in a community, but it doesn't even have the guts to tell you. So continue on in ignorance.

                                                                                        No real users should ever be hit with a shadowban.

                                                                                        [–]Gusfoo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        The guy ran an abusive bot and has been perma-banned for doing so. Seems like a simple open-and-shut case.

                                                                                        [–]picflute 14ポイント15ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                        This isn't Auto-Shadowbanning this is a basic IP Ban.

                                                                                        [–]ani625 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                        Which is typically reserved for users who keep doing the same things they were initially banned for. Breaking one or more of reddit rules basically.

                                                                                        [–]ThisIsMyFloorBooty Wizard 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        He did show a spambot and he might have had more.

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                                                                                            [–]Dogfacedgod 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            Shadow banning is a bitch ass move

                                                                                            [–]Cybersqu 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                            If they are either IP banning, or doing a combination of user-agent (web browser) & IP address, wouldn't this cause huge problems with shared IPs, such as offices/schools? Or do you think that they are doing a fingerprint via javascript (such as canvas fingerprinting)?

                                                                                            It would suck to login to my reddit account at work and have it banned because someone else was being an asshat.

                                                                                            [–]Roont 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            ITT: Dude gets banned for spambotting, makes a wah-wah video and gets his friend to post it, everyone loses their fucking minds.

                                                                                            [–]somedude456 26ポイント27ポイント  (43子コメント)

                                                                                            I got shadow banned over some stupid shit. Dude posted a video of his drone footage, in which a women was spotted laying out. Some feminist subreddit got their panties all in a bunch of him invading her rights. In the comment section of his video, someone linked to one said post of a women going all ape shit. I downvoted it, because she was batshit insane.

                                                                                            That got me shadow banned. I found out after like 2-3 weeks, PMed someone, they said it was for participating in a downvote brigade. So /r/SRS is allowed, but I got banned for clicking a link to a stupid comment and downvoting it because it was stupid.

                                                                                            [–]Noltonn 13ポイント14ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                            Everyone knows SRS somehow got a carte blanche years ago to keep their hate machine going. There's many theories why this is, but it's true. I mean, hell, they don't even use NP links. They're not even trying to hide what they are.

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