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[–]Hail_Ori 181ポイント182ポイント  (39子コメント)

My Dad was also there: http://imgur.com/2IaRww7

He was in the uniform.

[–]aurisor 201ポイント202ポイント  (32子コメント)

Reminds me of an old joke. If anyone starts talking about the war, I'll go "Oh, my grandfather was killed during WW2 in a concentration camp." They start getting all sympathetic and emotional and you just go: "Yeah, it was awful, he fell right out of his guard tower."

[–]aintgottimefopokemon 74ポイント75ポイント  (23子コメント)

My great grandfather was actually a soldier in Nazi Germany and a party member. What I don't tell people is that he survived the war and lived a long, productive life afterwards and not a hate-filled one.

Apparently people can't understand that most of the soldiers in Nazi Germany were just soldiers with no real will or choice in how their country acted.

Interestingly, in post-war Germany, his wife (my great grandmother) was able to get a really good government job because she was never a party member. My great grandfather worked low-level jobs until he died because he'd been a soldier and few people would hire him for quality work.

[–]zeidrich 46ポイント47ポイント  (10子コメント)

I think one of the worst things we do is dehumanize people. We do it to protect ourselves.

People would prefer to think of Nazi soldiers as monsters, rather than human beings, but I think that's a dangerous road to travel. We think that because we don't like what the Nazis did, and we figure that since they were monsters, and since we're not monsters, we're not at risk of doing the same sorts of things.

But the reality is that those soldiers were just normal people, with normal families and normal lives. They ended up being soldiers in the same way that Americans became soldiers, whether to fight for their country, to provide for their family, or because they were drafted and forced to fight. Some of them wanted to do the right thing from within the ranks, some of them did.

We need to realize this because we need to realize how easy it would be for us to end up the same way. If our own government were to start a war and commit terrible atrocities, it would be our soldiers that would end up doing it. They wouldn't be given a choice, they wouldn't be given the ability to opt-out. Some would defy orders and some would try to do the right thing, but most would be in a situation where they would have to choose between death and completing their orders.

And we already do some morally dubious things, nothing to the level of Nazi Germany, but things that we would prefer that the public not know about.

The thing is, if our government did go crazy and start ethnic cleansing, the soldiers would still be the same people as they were in peace time. They'd just be stuck in an unwinnable situation.

[–]alexbhood 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think one of the worst things we do is dehumanize people. We do it to protect ourselves. People would prefer to think of Nazi soldiers as monsters, rather than human beings, but I think that's a dangerous road to travel.

The irony! It burns!

[–]Sickpup831 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey!!! You respect those Nazi soldiers!! They were just normal people like you and me who liked to skeet shoot with babies every once and awhile. Personally, I never tip 15%. We all have our bad habits.

[–]justarndredditor 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not much different as of how Jews were described as evil.

If you have a common "enemy", then people are closer together, in this case, the common enemy were the soldiers and people who were in a party, all responsibility gets thrown at them, so that those who weren't involved in those things feel better for themselves. "I didn't do anything, it was the soldiers and nazis who did it."

[–]Louis_Farizee 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

You're right. They weren't monsters. They were human beings who did monstrous things. If they were monsters, no one could blame them. Oh, well, that's just what monsters do, we'd say. The members of the Nazi Party have no such defense available to them.

But the reality is that those soldiers were just normal people, with normal families and normal lives. They ended up being soldiers in the same way that Americans became soldiers, whether to fight for their country, to provide for their family, or because they were drafted and forced to fight. Some of them wanted to do the right thing from within the ranks, some of them did.

The Nazi Party could not have risen to power and could not have accomplished the things they did without a large group of true believers who willingly went along with their plans because they believed that their goals and methods were the right thing to do.

You're speaking as though Hitler and Goering were evil wizards who cast a mind control spell over Germany. As though there was no antisemetism in Europe before World War II, and there was no antisemetism after. Somehow, the Nazis managed to fool the Germans into committing a horrible act of bloodletting, and then when it was over, the German people awoke as though from a psychotic episode to regret what they'd done.

The thing is, if our government did go crazy and start ethnic cleansing, the soldiers would still be the same people as they were in peace time.

No government could convince their soldiers to commit an ethnic cleansing of a group the soldiers didn't already want to ethnically cleanse. If the US government decided tomorrow to every Law and Order SVU fan into concentration camps, the soldiers would refuse to do it, and there's nothing the government could do about it because they'd never find enough Dick Wolf haters to enforce their orders.

Every salesman and marketer knows you can never truly convince anyone of something they don't secretly believe anyway. Every hypnotist knows you can never get anyone to do anything they truly would never do.

[–]WhyThinkThat__ 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

You're speaking as though Hitler and Goering were evil wizards who cast a mind control spell over Germany.

The Stanford prison experiment pretty much conclusively proved that basically anybody can become a monster, given the proper circumstances.

Look at how Jews treat the Palestinians these days. Bitter, horrific racism from a position of power and control. The Gaza strip is a prison.

[–]chosens 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

People would prefer to think of Nazi soldiers as monsters, rather than human beings

You can't kill 20 million people without being part monster. This stat does not include civilian or military deaths. This just includes hostages, reprisal raids, forced labor, "euthanasia," starvation, exposure, medical experiments, and terror bombing, and in the concentration and death camps. Including civilian deaths would add another 15+ or so million.

You should read up on the horrors most of these soldiers committed before you protect them.

[–]Cadaverlanche 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If history has taught us anything it's that humans a are a species of monsters. To overlook the humanity that these folks were born with runs the risk of letting it all happen again.

[–]Jalleia 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well it's interesting to be honest. My grandfather fought in World War 2 in the Italian army in Africa, though I hardly ever see anything written about the Italians, even though we surrendered early.

[–]vahibridge 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I worked with an American company in Germany for 5 years. I made a lot of German friends and was shocked one day when one guy told me that he was in the German army during WWII and saw some combat. He was the nicest guy imaginable and a dear friend. I couldn't imagine that he held any hatred for anyone or indeed a whole ethnic group of people.

[–]nomadfarmer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I used to work in a nursing home in the Chicago area and met all sorts of interesting folks.

One man was actually an art restorer by trade and his family was emigrating from Germany to the US in the late thirties. Most of his family had already moved but before his trip he was drafted into the German army.

I tried to tactfully ask him if he felt guilty about serving the "bad guys." He said that most of his service he was doing labor in small towns: laying pipes for new sewer systems and stuff like that. Near the end he was sent to the Russian front where he said he was almost immediately taken as a POW.

By the time I met him he had retired from decades of working for the art institute in Chicago.

[–]helloagain1515 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Apparently people can't understand that most of the soldiers in Nazi Germany were just soldiers with no real will or choice in how their country acted.

Er... did you not remember the bit where directly before you specifically stated that your great grandfather was not just an ordinary soldier but also a party member? In other words a card-carrying fucking Nazi. Being a soldier many not have been voluntary but joining the party was.

[–]aintgottimefopokemon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being a soldier many not have been voluntary but joining the party was.

Yeah, sure, if you didn't want to eat. Joining the party was how you got your family fed at the time.

[–]Bubbay 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

a party member

just soldiers with no real will or choice

There is a massive difference between "just a soldier" and "just a soldier that was a member of the Nazi party." Not all soldiers in Germany were Nazis, but from your own statements, your great-grandfather was.

This also supports why your great-grandmother was able to get jobs. It wasn't because she wasn't a soldier, it's because she wasn't a Nazi.

Look, I'm glad your great-grandfather was able to live his life after the war without being filled with hate. That's growth and a good thing. But during the war, he was a Nazi. He wasn't "just a soldier."

[–]aintgottimefopokemon 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

My great grandfather had neither the authority to make decisions during the war nor the power to challenge the authority above him. He did what he could to keep himself and his family safe.

Demonize him all you want, but there is a huge difference between an enlisted soldier being ordered around and the ones who made decisions.

[–]helloagain1515 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But you specifically fucking state that he wasn't simply an enlisted soldier BUT ALSO A VOLUNTARY CARD-CARRYING NAZI. How is this not getting through to you?

[–]Bubbay 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't explicitly say this, but there is a point in there that I do not know his specific situation. What I do know is that most regular soldiers were not Nazis, but your great-grandfather was. I also know that all SS were Nazis. You have not mentioned which branch of the military he was in, so I'm assuming it was the regular army and not the SS. In that case, many, many soldiers served while never joining the Nazi Party. In the regular army, he'd be the more rare breed.

My overall point, though, is don't make his troubles out to be all because he was a soldier. Soldiers didn't really have problems in post-war Germany; Nazis did. You, yourself use this language when describing why your great-grandmother had no problem finding jobs, but avoid it when discussing her husband.

[–]ohheyyouagain 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I said that joke countless times too, unfortunately my grandpa was in a camp for two years and never ate turnips again after it.

[–]Javaani 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here's a similar one. "My grandfather died during WW2 in a concentration camp. RIP to SS Obersturmbannführer Hans Winkel".

[–]grat5454 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That should be followed with "All the other guards said it was one of the saddest things they had ever seen" for extra knife turning.

[–]helloagain1515 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is supposed to go more like this: My grandfather died at Auschwitz. He got drunk on duty and fell out of the guard tower.

[–]IamHenryGale 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Or the classic 9/11 one

[–]nobody2000 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Which one?

My dad died on 9/11. He:

  • Finally succumbed to Cancer early that morning in a Florida hospital (antijoke)
  • Crashed his plane into a government building (the ol' switcheroo)

[–]ser_marko 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hold my... Wait, where's the link?

[–]Hail_Ori 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was my first thought.

[–]strel1337 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

My dad was there too, he was wearing his mustache and concerned look.

[–]kelwow 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have a friend whose grandfather was at the civil rights marches in Birmingham Alabama. He was a firefighter.

[–]Stickyballs96 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

min pappa är starkare än din pappa

[–]shaqup -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tell your daddy he fucked up

[–]mrmoonpie 170ポイント171ポイント  (48子コメント)

[–]fluffyblackhawkdown 169ポイント170ポイント  (1子コメント)

She looks like a real thug, I'm glad they managed to arrest her. At last the streets are safe again.

[–]Rhamni 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

You jest, but you haven't seen her face when you forgot to do the dishes.

[–]sour_kareem 47ポイント48ポイント  (5子コメント)

Could you explain what moral monday is briefly and what exactly your mom was arrested for?

[–]mrmoonpie 58ポイント59ポイント  (1子コメント)

Moral Mondays are protests against the North Carolina tea-party-led legislature, basically. Mom was arrested for trespassing, because she and the other protesters wouldn't leave the Capitol when requested to do so.

[–]RedgrenGrumbholdt 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a large Moral Monday group in Atlanta as well.

[–]CelestialFury 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Moral Mondays are protests in North Carolina, United States of America. The protests are in response to several actions by the government of North Carolina elected into office by the citizens of North Carolina in 2013. The protests are characterized by engaging in civil disobedience by entering the state legislature building and then being peacefully arrested. The movement protests many wide ranging issues under the blanket claim of unfair treatment, discrimination, and adverse effects of government legislation on the citizens of North Carolina. The protests in North Carolina launched a grassroots social justice movement that, in 2014, spread to Georgia and South Carolina, and then to other U.S. states.

wiki link

[–]bickering_fool 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thankyou for your explanation. As a non US person, heartening to know.

[–]obviouslyphonyname 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why, as an American have I not heard about this movement, yet I can't stop hearing about the Tea party, which is clearly becoming more "fringe" by the day?

[–]TheFarnell 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

Wow, TIL about Moral Mondays. Thanks!

[–]5654632564 31ポイント32ポイント  (4子コメント)

To be fair, Tanked up Tuesdays, Wet T-shirt Wednesdays and Seaside Saturdays are more popular

[–]Fudge89 7ポイント8ポイント  (22子コメント)

Did she do hard time?

[–]mrmoonpie 59ポイント60ポイント  (21子コメント)

She spent 6 hours in jail, 6 months on probation. She was banned from the Capitol for 6 months, which was funny since she was scheduled to be the State House Nurse of the Day. Had to do community service, but she volunteers for so many causes that it didn't require her to do anything she wouldn't normally do.

She was 72 when arrested--I hope I'm that much of a bad ass at 72!

[–]ShepPawnch 36ポイント37ポイント  (0子コメント)

She looks good for 72. I would have put her at 55.

[–]redditanx 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sorry you've already done a lot of explaining this thread but what's 'state house nurse of the day?' thanks!

[–]mrmoonpie 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nurse of the Day

Mom went to nursing school back in the 60s and worked as a nurse for many years. When my brother and I started school, she went back to college, getting her PhD at age 52; she recently retired from teaching at the UNCC School of Nursing.

[–]LouisaRoseAllen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

probably just an honorary award/title where they acknowledge a medical worker by inviting them to the capitol to be a nurse there for a day

[–]QueenOfTumbledown 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's a true badass! People would easily understand if she wanted to sit around for a peaceable retirement but instead she's making her voice heard! Bravo, Mom!

[–]WeylandTheDwarf 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That actually sounds like a pretty fair punishment for trespassing.

[–]thats_bone 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

Such class and dignity while she's being unfairly targeted.

My brother said the Moral Monday protesters are like tics being pulled off a host. He's a moron.

[–]NetWWWWWWWWWWWorking 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Intentionally trespassing to commit civil disobedience, but she's being unfairly targeted.

[–]NetFlix_AllDay 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

your Mom looks to be the right age your dad would be today. she isn't by any chance one of his friends?

[–]OnionBallz 106ポイント107ポイント  (11子コメント)

Wow, On top of everything the apartheid government of South Africa were using porn-stars as police in the 80's. Diabolical!

[–]Nucl3arDude 54ポイント55ポイント  (6子コメント)

That's an NZ Cop. NZP on his cap badge. Also, bobby hat.

[–]TrueDragon1 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bobby Hat is his screen name

[–]USOutpost31 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The man in the background btw them looks very Maori.

[–]weednz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Air New Zealand sign in the background!

[–]lionalhutz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was thinking the cop looks kind like a Monty Python character

[–]shalli 48ポイント49ポイント  (16子コメント)

That cop is so tired of this bullshit.

[–]MuradinBronzecock 62ポイント63ポイント  (14子コメント)

Nothing like waking up in the morning, lacing up your boots, packing your lunch and going out to defend a crushingly unjust status quo.

[–]Colony-of-Slipperman 19ポイント20ポイント  (13子コメント)

Yea because that what that New Zealand cop was doing. He was defending the unjust status quo of South Africa, by not allowing protesters to storm a soccer game.

[–]toresbe 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

In essence, yes - he could both be doing his job of upholding law and order while at the same time be on the wrong side of history. I guess where your sympathy lies becomes a question of what you place highest in the hierarchy of human values: The orderly progression of a sports match, or the struggle for fundamental human rights.

[–]Colony-of-Slipperman 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes he could be. But he's not on the wrong side of history. He's not any side. He's trying to keep the peace at a sporting event.

Also why do we assume protester's must be on the "right side" of history. Maybe this guy was a dick who just like the idea of being part of a mob.

I mean not that it counts for much but every person in my life who has ever protested is a dickhead who just liked the attention they got on FB.

[–]TheCandelabra 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

wrong side of history

Can I just say I hate this phrase, because it implies that the speaker thinks there are "sides", or that things will always continue to get "better" by his metric? You have no idea what the world will be like 500 years from now. You might be on the wrong "side" because you eat meat or drive a car or any number of things like that. Or you might be on the wrong "side" because the reactionaries win. Human history is not a progression toward some ideal state.

[–]toresbe 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, but it sure as hell discredits some things quite thoroughly along the way, like witch doctors, homeopathy, sexism, marriage as ownership, racism, Nickelback...

[–]5np 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mustache man on the left is spewing out enough disapproval to cover all of them combined.

[–]cdmisp 40ポイント41ポイント  (115子コメント)

Before I upvote, which side was he on? :)

[–]BrianScalabrine_AMA[S] 103ポイント104ポイント  (105子コメント)

This was during the 1981 Springbok rugby tour of New Zealand. Many New Zealanders felt that by engaging with South Africa in sports, we were essentially endorsing their actions (most countries had boycotted all sports with South Africa by this point).

My Dad was very anti-tour, and was one of a group of protestors who stormed the field in an attempt to disrupt one of the matches.

[–]toresbe 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

[–]quotejester 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thanks. That was a great watch.

[–]toresbe 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just finished watching it myself. Ain't the internet great - a documentary about a historical event on the other side of the world at my fingertips... and man, the admiration I feel for the demonstrators and the contempt for the sports fans.

I was particularily impressed by the police chief. To sacrifice his career in that way by making such a sound judgement call...

[–]quotejester 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It really put OP's picture into context.

And you're right about the commissioner. What a brave man!

[–]firegal 13ポイント14ポイント  (68子コメント)

Thank your Dad for doing this. I remember those times and I admire everyone who did what your Dad did.

[–]javilew 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

I can't believe the responses you are getting.

Man, I must live in a pretty peaceful place. It could take me a while to find a person who supports apartheid in 2015.

Seriously, there's people like this in the world yet?

[–]AXLPendergast 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

I was there and I felt that sport and politics shouldn't mix and therefore was very pro-tour.

[–]jb_in_jpn 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

How do you feel about your decision now? (serious question)

[–]AXLPendergast 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Looking back, I think it was a great move to have the tour. I think the decision was the right one although perhaps not the popular one. Sport and politics should never mix although that is easily said than done.

[–]vicar-me-baby 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I disagree. Fron what I have heard from South African friends, the older generation was very insulated. There was a large section who honestly didn't know how the rest of the world viewed them. The SA govt had stockpiled resources for years, preparing for sanctions. The sport boycotts, however, could not be glossed over or just not reported or misrepresented.

It was a peaceful way to effect change which didn't hurt the victims of Apartheid (or anyone, really).

[–]forte2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The split in the country was quite incredible, even more so than the warfies strikes.

[–]darkfang77 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Found the Qatari.

[–]gruisinger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember buying at least one album in the early 1990s that said "Not for sale in South Africa" on the sleeve. seems musicians were also not too keen on endorsing apartheid.

[–]Jantachrist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wasn't there also an incident where a man in a Cessna dropped bags of flour on the pitch that same tour?

[–]rokit5rokit5 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

look at how well south africa is doing now thanks to people like your dad!

[–]t0t0zenerd 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Democracy > dictature. Also significantly less people are being killed for their opinion.

[–]Bilgistic 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

I doubt OP would've posted this if his dad was on the pro-apartheid side.

[–]NukEvil 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

What if his grandfather fell out of a guard tower during WWII?

[–]Atlast1994 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a Safa, just wanted to say thanks for your dad's brave efforts! This tour was really where things started to shift internationally. All because you kiwis took a stand. Black Safa's used to turn out in masses in support of kiwi games. Glad to say it's not the case anymore... But you kiwi's could let us win a game every now and then...

[–]cjgroveus 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

Would have been bad ass if he did this in South Africa rather.

[–]BrianScalabrine_AMA[S] 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

[–]mybodyisreadyyo 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Holy shit, the way the 'front lines' protesters are wearing bike helmets is badass

[–]Armenian-Jensen 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Extra points for having members of the Mongrel Mob right behind them

[–]malajubee 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Creds to be arrested by Freddie Mercury though.

[–]khrappeater 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Step 1 abolish apartheid in South Africa. Step 2 leave South Africa.

[–]vincevega123 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're blatantly hooligans and a football match

[–]thx2015 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I bet he doesn't love there, though.

[–]Marathon_Man_3k 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your dads should all mind their own business

[–]Zijimon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The struggle was real.

[–]quiktom 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Relevant in the UK

[–]toresbe 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

What a gem Corbyn is.

Edit: Whenever I feel down, I remind myself that I live in a world where there's a non-zero chance that in a few years, President Bernie Sanders will make a state visit to Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn. What a mental image?

[–]bonjouratous 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is a member of Stop The War Coalition, which started great but became completely insane as time went by. They have close links with organisations that openly call for the death penalty for homosexuality and apostasy of Islam. So yeah, he isn't as great as people make him out to be.

[–]naaattt 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

My grandparents also fought against Apartheid but in South Africa. My grandad got arrested together with Mandela and was part of the Treason Trial. Proud of them!!

[–]Felinomancy 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Maybe it's just me being biased, but is that sort of porn 'stache the "in" thing in that era?

Also, so many pro-apartheid comments in this thread.. what is it they said about needing "free speech "for "containment" and stuff?

[–]hoodoo-operator 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This thread is proof that the idea that keeping racism subs will "contain" racism is totally bunk.

[–]Kernunno 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously every parent comment under yours (and several above) is fucking stormfront.

[–]zephyer19 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

How does your Dad feel about that these days?

[–]Wyelho 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

ITT Nothing but racist shit... :/ There is definitely a brigade going on.

[–]Kernunno 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah reddit is just this racism on average.

[–]jon_stout 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good for him.

[–]smocesumtin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your father was fucking awesome.

[–]dontaxmebro 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I bet your Dad changed his mind now.

[–]sqbronco 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

fuckin hippies man, thats what batons are for

[–]TopQueef -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

Now that all those evil white people are gone, how's South Africa doing?

A cutting edge society free of crime and desperation without the white devil there to hold everyone down right?

[–]AXLPendergast 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

Ex-South African here. South Africa is basically fucked with their new ANC government that are so incompetent, corrupt and generally poor that I am so glad not to live there anymore. Let's not talk about the crime ...

[–]Atlast1994 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Safa here... We caused this broer, we created the rampant poverty and lack of education, now you expect it to clear over night!? (20 years is nothing) Wake up. Glad you left, cause there's a lot if work to be done to clear up all the mess we made. Of course it's not going to be a walk in the park, but it will happen, it is happening! Yes there's loads wrong, but there's more right and getting better! One boer to another.

[–]AXLPendergast 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry 'broer' ... Life is too short. I have no time, patience and motivation to remain in a country and see the cANCer destroy the once beautiful country that is was. Always love SA but it is no longer home. PS glad I left too...

[–]abertsa 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wow, and now look at what a shithole that place has become because of people like your good ole dad.

[–]SnudaLaSpada -3ポイント-2ポイント  (33子コメント)

Only a moron, a complete fucking moron, would say that present day SA is better than apartheid era SA. My only wish in life is to find a time machine, grab some pictures of SA now and show them to the people who dismantled a beautiful government because unwashed lunatics like your father wanted warm feelings before they did anything rash. It is objectively worse now. Every necklacing, every murder, every horrific crime committed there...your father owns a share in that blood.

[–]toresbe 9ポイント10ポイント  (18子コメント)

a beautiful government

I know Reddit has a hang towards racism, but that insane shit like this gets upvoted is just startling

[–]hoodoo-operator 6ポイント7ポイント  (14子コメント)

I'm pretty sure this thread is being brigaded by one of the racist subs.

At least I hope so. Either that or reddit in general is a lot more racist than I thought. /r/oldschoolcool should have never become a default.

[–]this_sort_of_thing 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

I honestly think people like to bury their heads in the sand and blame a handful of subs and websites for all the crazy shit that happens on reddit. You telling me stormfront and 4chan etc.. spend all their day organising brigades on reddit discussions?

Most people just don't want to admit the truth, reddit is a website filled with mostly anonymous American (and a few Canadian/Australian/European) white guys in the teens and 20's, you literally can't escape the fact that it is demographically going to be a very racist website where extremism appeals to people here.

It's the same reason ISIS and Islamic terrorist groups have similar demographics. It's that age where people just want to fight and hate, and that's what most people are made up of.

[–]websterandy42 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Except Coontown has actually had multiple posts linking here.

Here is one

The mods are deleting them to keep from being banned.

[–]toresbe 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

I'm leaning towards general racism, especially in the context of Apartheid, where a surprising amount of people are more than willing to describe Nelson Mandela as a terrorist.

[–]SnudaLaSpada -4ポイント-3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Nelson Mandela should have been hanged a terrorist... Funny thing about blowing up bus loads of people indiscriminately.

[–]toresbe 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

Exhibit A.

Also, please get a fucking clue about the history of South Africa and the ANC before you make such idiotic claims.

[–]Vegjenkem -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

They had a fucking space program and a power grid that was the envy of the first world

[–]toresbe 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

a fucking space program

They still do. So does every country. They had an aborted program to launch a satellite. That's hardly a lunar landing.

power grid that was the envy of the first world

No. The power grid has failed to develop as fast as the rest of the economy.

And what's in a power grid? It's infrastructure, fine, but it's hardly representative of the development of a nation (most obviously, in this case). It's the kind of grasping at straws that reminds me of the Borat Kazakhstan anthem

And this makes up for the brutal subjugation of a majority of its population, the denial of basic fundamental democratic and human rights? I'm genuinely at a loss for words

[–]Vegjenkem 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And what's in a power grid? It's infrastructure, fine, but it's hardly representative of the development of a nation (most obviously, in this case).

It is when they have to fire white people to hire unskilled native africans who dont know how to maintain two rocks let alone infrastructure. Wouldve linked to source headline but Im note sure if anyone speaks Afrikaans

I mean, its ONE country in the whole sub Saharan section of the fucking continent. It happened to be the most advanced for SOME REASON. GEEEEEEE I WONDER WHO DID THAT? It sure wasnt the fucking sub Saharan africans who's greatest technological achievement is a stick with a sharp edge

[–]max_f_robespierre 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Get off the computer, dylann.

[–]5654632564 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Didn't your dad realise he was white?

[–]Bopabooey -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tell your dad to look at South Africa now and ask him if he was fighting for the best cause.

[–]Vegjenkem -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah good job on that one. South Africa is a wonderful utopia now that it has been enriched with diversity. They didn't want a space program or reliable power grid anyway. And with their with roaming machete rape gangs it is like living in an action movie!

[–]whatmeworkquestion 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you base all of your arguments on fallacy and hyperbole?

[–]toresbe 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

South Africa is a wonderful utopia now that it has been enriched with diversity.

You do know that there were black people in South Africa before democratization... right?

[–]Reck_yo -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

The end of Apartheid has really made SA a wonderful place!! /s

[–]muyalboy -5ポイント-4ポイント  (17子コメント)

thank your dad for ruining south Africa for civilize people.

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[–]toresbe 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

I just can't comprehend the sheer ignorance of world history that would motivate someone to say something so stupid. What the fuck is wrong with you?

[–]whatmeworkquestion 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd thank whoever would plant a fist upside your head.

But seriously, I hope something awful happens to you.

[–]-BushWacker- -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

The cop is like "I really don't want to do this. But I have to. I'm sorry."

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    [–]nailed_it_onthecross 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well, is he happy now? The whole country is fucked.

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    Protesters are so annoying

    [–]ohchristworld 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That cop looks like Bill Hader.

    [–]FrostuR 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wow, you can see in the eyes of the policeman how uneasy he was following orders, unsure of what to think...

    [–]SundanceHolliday 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And look at South Africa now...

    [–]rokit5rokit5 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    and look at how well his country is doing now! lololol fucking self hating whites you get what you deserve.

    [–]EugeneNix -4ポイント-3ポイント  (11子コメント)

    And after the blacks fucked south africa up, they scrammed off to a white majoritatian country! So brave!

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    [–]Promotheos 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    majoritation

    Are you Romanian, because otherwise that's not a word?

    [–]whatmeworkquestion 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wow, this post sure is attracting a lot of racist pricks.

    [–]Huachimingo75 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Respect. Blessings.

    [–]eatassmayne -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I bet your dad gets off on letting black guys bang your mom. Fucking degenerate.

    [–]EmptyTrousers -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    See where the anti-apartheid got him?

    [–]wegsauce 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I wonder if potential employers would look at his arrest record and hold it against him even with an explanation. hopefully with an explanation it would act as a character reference.

    [–]mittao 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Well your thanks to your father South Africa is now one of the worst countries on the planet.

    [–]Dr_Godzilla 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That officer looks a bit like a Bill Hader character

    [–]shane71998 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What was it like to be arrested by a mustached Bill Hader?

    [–]Drunk_Pilgrim 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That guy has a fantastic mustache.

    [–]tzimmerm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Steve Carell has a big mustache in this photo.

    [–]cmilliorn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Dude you can protest but no one could resist that officers awesome stache

    [–]ithinkway2much 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Good for him. Not for getting arrested but for getting captured in a picture standing up for something.