(cache) DeimorzがReddit auto-shadow banningについて記入したコメント

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I'm a bot, bleep, bloop. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit:

^{If you follow any of the above links, please respect the rules of reddit and don't vote in the other threads.} ^(Info ^/ ^Contact)

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[–]TripChaos 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 41分前 (3子コメント)

iSeven is correct, it's supposed to be for spambots, not vote manipulators. There is no functional difference to the Reddit staff doing the banning on which flavor they give out. The important difference is that the user is aware they have been banned (so they can address the issue), the only time that is acceptable is when there is no actual user and it's a spambot.

Those who vote manipulate are still people, even if the actions of his bot army are automated. IOW, it's automation of posts/comments that is when shadow-banning is acceptable, not automation of voting.

At this time though shadow-banning really should be a thing of the past, as the spammers have gone far, far past being slowed down by shadowbans. It really does more harm than good, as the majority of Reddit users are lurkers who comment/post very rarely, and can literally go years without knowing they have been censored. This is especially true due to the shadow bans that have been hammered out for "brigading" (they get banned without ever writing anything) which is so fucked up I don't even want to get into how blatantly the practice is willful censorship.

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His point stands, he's not a spammer even if automation is involved in the manipulation.

Those who vote manipulate are still people, even if the actions of his bot army are automated. IOW, it's automation of posts/comments that is when shadow-banning is acceptable, not automation of voting.

At this time though shadow-banning really should be a thing of the past, as the spammers have gone far, far past being slowed down by shadowbans. It really does more harm than good, as the majority of Reddit users are lurkers who comment/post very rarely, and can literally go years without knowing they have been censored. This is especially true due to the shadow bans that have been hammered out for "brigading" (they get banned without ever writing anything) which is so fucked up I don't even want to get into how blatantly the practice is willful censorship.

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[+]mherdeg スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 52分前 (2子コメント)

I'm stunned that an admin would reply directly about a terminated user.

What's the goal? To embarrass the former user? To clear up misinformation? Is there anything he said that's enough of an issue that allaying community fears required this?

You could have spoken generically, said simply that things don't always work out or that not all people are a good fit for the site but that you wished him well.

That would have shown grace and class, but openly nailing the guy in this forum and telling everyone that the user was a brazen spammer is troubling.

He can't come back and say, "Well, no, I really DID post from a single account, I don't know why a BLOODY ADMIN OF REDDIT is saying this", but no one would believe him.

In addition, unless you personally observed these actions, you're relying on the words of a moderator, and guess what? Moderators have their own issues.

What's next? PDFs of his post history?

If I had to guess, I'd say that there's some specific reason why you posted this, but not one you're prepared to disclose.

I can only tell you that if I were the user in question and read what you wrote about me, the next thing I would do would be to write down every single issue I'd seen at the site, include the names of those involved, because you would have just impacted my Internet career and the only response is to attack.

EDIT: Here's a little story

"In the jungle there lived a large, muscular lion. The lion was known by all other creatures to be King of the jungle. There also was a small but feisty skunk that lived in this same jungle. On a regular basis the proud, loud, and especially obnoxious skunk challenged the kingly lion to a fight. “Fight me, let us prove who is better.” said the skunk to the lion. The lion, though annoyed by this ridiculous challenge, would ignore the skunk and carry on his usual business.

“Hah,” the skunk persists, you’re afraid to fight me!”

“No,” answered the lion, “but why should I fight you? You would gain fame from fighting me, even though I gave you the worst beating of your life which I would do. But how about me? I couldn’t possibly gain anything defeating you. On the other hand, everyone I meet for a month knows that I had been in the company of a skunk.”

( with apologies to /u/warlizard )

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[–]color_thine_fate 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)

Fucking wow, really? The guy posts some bullshit about getting shadow banned automatically, and people are all, "Whoa, conspiracy, reddit needs transparency!" Then a reddit admin is like "This is why we did it, and here is proof that I told you why we did it. Also, here is you being a dick about it and telling us you were going to circumvent the rules. Good day, sir," and still motherfuckers are saying shit like, "I can't believe a reddit admin would call someone out like that."

They're either fucking pathetic for withholding information, or they're fucking pathetic for providing information. Know what? If I'm in their shoes, and I'm "fucking pathetic" if I do, "fucking pathetic" if I don't, I'm just going to do whatever the hell I want, and making a douche look stupid sounds pretty fucking sweet.

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