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[–]Deimorz[A] 645ポイント646ポイント  (84子コメント)

Well, that's not very honest, because I can see multiple responses to different accounts of yours, which you even replied back to, acknowledging that you received them. Let's do a review:

I noticed you also haven't bothered to mention the 999 accounts you created and that you were trying to use to vote up your submissions in /r/me_irl. I know that's a really noble pursuit, but it's also pretty clearly against the rules.

[–]doug3465 126ポイント127ポイント  (10子コメント)

Deimorz used Admin Fact Check. It's super effective!

[–]WertyBurger 86ポイント87ポイント  (7子コメント)

/u/Blendt3 claimed he did not receive a response from the admins.

We determined that was a lie

crowd goes wild

[–]Roseking 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should see the League of Legends Community.

There is an employee who is famous for 'smiting' people. People will bitch on the forums claiming they were banned for no reason. Lyte (the employee) will then come, drop a bunch of chat logs showing the to be an ass and deserving the ban.

The subreddit went nuts for this shit and it was glorious.

Some examples:

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4719871&page=2#post48787409

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/37lzcn/i_seriously_want_a_lyte_smite_posting_on_reddit/

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2i1ev0/lyte_smite_turns_a_2_week_ban_into_a_perma_ban/

[–]TripChaos -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wait a minute, I don't mean to bust out the tin-foil, but is there any way to actually know the Admin isn't just making this up to discredit him?

/u/Blendt3 can't actually say anything back, he's shadowbanned.

It would take me a minute to fake those screenshots (R-click, inspect element, re-write text), an Admin could do it in less.

Other people have already shown that people have been shadowbanned for vote brigading of all things, which is devastating for Reddit's lurker majority. There's literally no valid reason for doing that other than censorship, as it's selective (biased) process and most of those users' votes are forever silenced from all of their communities.

[–]goatsareeverywhere -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, an admin speaking in official capacity isn't gonna risk his position to troll some random spammer. If you know you royally fucked things up, don't go around looking for sympathy and baiting the admins otherwise you're gonna get yishan'd.

[–]Mirzer0 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

You could validate it yourself by going to links provided, and looking at the various responses and users... unless you're suggesting that the admin manufactured all of that shit as well. It isn't just a screenshot.

[–]TripChaos 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

...

The links posted by the admin are images of private messages, it's not like we can look at the messages themselves.

[–]Mirzer0 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apparently I ought to take my own advice.

[–]adamweaver43 32ポイント33ポイント  (9子コメント)

Fucking /r/me_irl ? He couldn't vote cheat on a subreddit like /r/funny or /r/videos where people can actually downvote your posts, he picked /r/me_irl ???

[–]throwawaysarebetter 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

You can still downvote posts in me_irl, you just have to turn off subreddit styles.

[–]LucyanChimera 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Or highlight the submission and press Z.

[–]gamerdonkey 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I believe this only works in RES.

[–]pascontent 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What kind of savage beast doesn't use RES?

[–]ClobiWanKanobi 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

My question is why? Why do people give a shit about karma? Are their lives so boring that they have to make several acounts on a website just for useless internet points?

[–]riacon 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I could be wrong but I think it has less to do about karma and more about being seen. If you get downvoted your comment gets buried and is never seen but if you have 1000 bots upvoting mostly everything you post then you are going to get seen.

[–]rotzooi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

useless internet points

useless

Guys, shall we tell him?

[–]crazy-8 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the plot thickens...

[–]Odica 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This entire discussion might as well end with this response. Disingenuous posts that try twisting the truth (or completely discarding it) should be exposed.

Some of the most effective community management can be done with words. Nicely handled.

[–]iSeven 2ポイント3ポイント  (10子コメント)

I was under the impression that for all those cases, you're supposed to ban, and not shadowban, as shadowbans are stated to be reserved for bots.

[–]gamerdonkey 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

I noticed you also haven't bothered to mention the 999 accounts you created and that you were trying to use to vote up your submissions in /r/me_irl[4] .

One person, or even a small team of people, would have a very hard time maintaining 1000 accounts without using some sort of automated "bot" system.

[–]iSeven 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

True. I took that to be hyperbole though.

[–]gamerdonkey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I don't know exact numbers either, but even if it was off by a factor of ten, 100 accounts would probably still be pretty unmanageable without automation. And, while I don't know for sure, I think you'd need a significant number of accounts to effectively manipulate votes on a sub of /r/me_irl 's size.

[–]TripChaos 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

iSeven is correct, it's supposed to be for spambots, not vote manipulators. There is no functional difference to the Reddit staff doing the banning on which flavor they give out. The important difference is that the user is aware they have been banned (so they can address the issue), the only time that is acceptable is when there is no actual user and it's a spambot.

Those who vote manipulate are still people, even if the actions of his bot army are automated. IOW, it's automation of posts/comments that is when shadow-banning is acceptable, not automation of voting.

At this time though shadow-banning really should be a thing of the past, as the spammers have gone far, far past being slowed down by shadowbans. It really does more harm than good, as the majority of Reddit users are lurkers who comment/post very rarely, and can literally go years without knowing they have been censored. This is especially true due to the shadow bans that have been hammered out for "brigading" (they get banned without ever writing anything) which is so fucked up I don't even want to get into how blatantly the practice is willful censorship.

[–]allthefoxes 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

There is no other system or other flavor of ban.

The only kind of ban reddit ahs for sitewide rulebreakers at this time is a shadowban

[–]TripChaos 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

? At the very least I was under the impression that they can/do delete offending accounts.

I have enough web and programming experience to know how bullshit it is to say "it's hard to make another type of ban". If they don't have another, it's completely because they don't want one. Literally copy/pasting the functionality of the existing shadowban with added messages would qualify.

[–]allthefoxes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They can't delete accounts, unless they nuke them from orbit from the database, but that would cause a whole lot of issues

[–]allthefoxes 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

reddit doesnt have a "ban", only mods of subreddits do

The only way you can get banned sitewide is with a shadowban. There is no other tool

[–]iSeven 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Strange, because the bossman's response says otherwise.

EDIT: I'm sure you know better than I, but it just seemed strange that /u/spez would give that kind of response if there were no measures in place to ban humans.

[–]allthefoxes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, he is saying that spammers should only get shadowbanned, but that cant happen yet because there are no other ban tools.

I'm sure thats on the way, and once they are here, admins can just stick to shadowbanning spammers. Until then, the rules need to be enforced.

Hopefully, /u/spez or /u/deimorz can come reinforce what I'm saying, but I don't expect it.

[–]NotfromPoland 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

RIP conspiracy

Cause of death: Admin's Bullshit Detector

[–]forcrowsafeast 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So yeah he was definitely a rampant spammer. Cased closed Jonny, let's pack it up.

[–]remeranAuthor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Show me a shadow banned user and I'll show you an asshole.

It's never a surprise. I don't know how reddit keeps forgetting.

Y'all should check out the League of Legends General Discussion forums.

[–]sirbruce 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

You posted private PMs between a user and the admins. Isn't that clearly against the rules? raldi himself claimed so.

[–]allthefoxes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, raldi no longer works for reddit. Nothing in the rules or ToS state the admins cant publish your PMs to them.

[–]gurksallad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is "shadowbanning"?

[–]cake4chu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bonus round: just so people can see the way you actually act:

Muh shaming!

[–]yoodenvranx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

to use to vote up your submissions in /r/me_irl.

This is by far the most stupid thing I heard all week.

[–]Udontlikecake 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

DEIMORZ IS THE BEST ADMIN EVER

PLEASE HAVE MY CHILDREN

[–]ThePandademic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I knew it was all too good of a story.

[–]kretik 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This needs to be the top comment. I'm all for exposing shenanigans but the video is clearly full of shit.

[–]Libertyreign -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

OOOOOH. HE SAID YOU AIN'T GOT NO NIPPLE!

[–]palfas -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why shadow ban? Use a normal ban, shadow ban is not the right tool for this and it reeks of underhanded dealings

[–]sylaroI 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do you understand the reason he was banned in the first place?

[–]TripChaos -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

His point stands, he's not a spammer even if automation is involved in the manipulation.

Those who vote manipulate are still people, even if the actions of his bot army are automated. IOW, it's automation of posts/comments that is when shadow-banning is acceptable, not automation of voting.

At this time though shadow-banning really should be a thing of the past, as the spammers have gone far, far past being slowed down by shadowbans. It really does more harm than good, as the majority of Reddit users are lurkers who comment/post very rarely, and can literally go years without knowing they have been censored. This is especially true due to the shadow bans that have been hammered out for "brigading" (they get banned without ever writing anything) which is so fucked up I don't even want to get into how blatantly the practice is willful censorship.

[–]sylaroI 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not really, he was shadowbanned, because he created hundreds of bots/accounts to do the automated voting.
You can't stop this people by saying you have been banned every time they create an account, that way they would continue testing around, till they find a way to cheat the system.

[–]Books_4_LYFE 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Underhanded dealings...for stopping a guy from using 1000 accounts to manipulate voting. Don't think you know what underhanded means...

[–]allthefoxes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit does not have a normal ban for the entire site.

[–]rhigosrebel -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

If I recall correctly the new CEO in his AMA stated that no PERSON should be shadowbanned, it was made for spam bots, so why is it being used here?

[–]Mistywing 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

https://youtu.be/Am_u84AmBCY?t=44

"I've got, let's see, NumberWang bot, a really annoying bot created a while back. Let's go to his profile, and we can see a bunch of annoying spam."

Poor guy. Let me play the world's tiniest violin.

[–]rhigosrebel 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh yeah, I don't feel any sympathy for this guy but surly the bot should have been ShadowBanned and not his personal HUMAN controlled account? That was my question, after reading the admins comment this guy doesn't deserve to use reddit but I meant in general why was a human banned when the new CEO said that only bots should be

[–]Mistywing 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well I guess that depends on your definition of human control. In my opinion that stops being the case when you're using 999 other accounts to upvote your one. I mean, either you're using a bot to login to all of those and upvote your submission, or you really have too much time on your hands.

[–]rhigosrebel 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I meant the account he used to comment on this post and contact the admin on, that got shadowbanned recently by the looks of it

[–]allthefoxes 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes, but there is no other tool at this time.

Until the tools are created, the only way admins can ban people for any reason is with a shadowban

[–]rhigosrebel 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just... Ban the account? Delete it?

[–]allthefoxes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You cannot delete the account without the password.

and there is no "Ban the account"

The admins are working on new tools, they just dont exist yet