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[–]FartKilometre 200ポイント201ポイント  (34子コメント)

SomethingAwful had this process years ago.

Break a small rule/shitpost? Probated, very short ban usually around 24 hours.

Break a rule/keep breaking the same small ones/shitpost? Banned, can no longer access forums. Re-register or buy an unban.

Still haven't learned? Permabanned, you cannot re-register. Perma'd posters who re-reg and get found out (they'll always go back to their old habits) instant perma on new account.

Then there was the Hellban. Saved only for the worst offenders who would just keep making new accounts and pissing away money, the Hellban allowed them to still see the forums and make posts and replies, but nobody else could see them.

[–]Scout_022 43ポイント44ポイント  (0子コメント)

The hellban sounds a lot like the "miserable users" function.

[–]old_to_me_downvoter 36ポイント37ポイント  (15子コメント)

As a longtime Goon anytime I hear people moaning about banning on Reddit, I think "You wouldn't last long on SA"

[–]gargoyle_mayonnaise 35ポイント36ポイント  (9子コメント)

I didn't last long on SA. I was a lurker for years, I paid for an account, posted a photoshop thread and got instantly perma banned. There was a rule that only mods or something could use the PS tag even though I had the ability to use it, and I didn't know about the rule, whatever. That's how SA rolls. Rules are scattered around here and there, it costs $$ to sign up, and if you fuck up you're out money. I didn't create a new account and went back to lurking for a while, but haven't been back since I found reddit. The quality of their main page content has gotten a lot lamer since then anyways so I don't miss it much.

[–]Talran 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

I actually forgot SA has a frontpage. I haven't been since 9/11 or something.

[–]gargoyle_mayonnaise 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

I used to love Photoshop Phridays but there hasn't been an outstanding one in ages. /r/photoshopbattles has been cranking out better content every day for years.

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    [–]FartKilometre 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Agreed, but it's shifted quite a bit lately. I used to main in GBS until it became 2.0 and now it's just a trash heap.

    [–]Jakeman52 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Rip GBS Doto thread 2012.

    [–]keanex 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm surprised I haven't been banned. It depends on where you post though.

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      [–]moeburn 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Why anyone would knowingly purchase a forum account to such an authoritarian regime is beyond me.

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        [–]StrikeTheRoots 508ポイント509ポイント  (327子コメント)

        Why are people mostly getting shadow ban? If it's for botting why isn't this a good solution?

        [–]blendt3 706ポイント707ポイント  (221子コメント)

        The problem is the admins don't tell any one why. So nobody knows.

        [–]frugalrhombus 75ポイント76ポイント  (10子コメント)

        well this guy admitted to having a "really annoying bot" so it's pretty self explanatory why he got banned IMO

        [–]blendt3 18ポイント19ポイント  (8子コメント)

        This giy is me, I didn't create that bot which was banned 9 months ago. If you're saying the admin delayed an ip ban by 9 months then this is much more alarming

        [–]canoe123 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

        You just knew the password?

        [–]blendt3 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

        I used to do a lot of programming for the autowikibot and /u/subredditlinkfixer. Most bot makers when their bot is shadowbanned will set the password to "password1". You can check if you want it's still password1. It's a worthless account so nobody cares.

        [–]IamNotWrong- 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Are you the guy in the video? What's the Kali Gali VM?

        [–]blendt3 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yeah, it's a virtual machine with Kali Linux in it. I call it Kali Gali because I think I'm funny.

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          [–]frugalrhombus 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I didn't think you had said when the ban happened.

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            [–]TruckChuck 202ポイント203ポイント  (188子コメント)

            http://i.imgur.com/T0sSNun.png

            [–]MrJohz 684ポイント685ポイント  (98子コメント)

            Note that this is a moderator action and not an admin action, so it does not apply site-wide.

            [–]FailedTech1 125ポイント126ポイント  (0子コメント)

            And that is not a shadowban, just a regular ban.

            [–]TranslatedComment 167ポイント168ポイント  (84子コメント)

            Yep. But lately - thanks to automoderator being available for every sub reddit - many people now refer to shadowbans as the moderators simply setting automoderator to remove a users submissions/comments within their own sub reddit.

            There are now two levels of shadowban;

            1) Moderator level shadownban: All of your comments and submissions are removed from a specific sub reddit, but are still perfectly fine everywhere else.

            2) Admin level shadowban: All of your comments and submissions are removed from the entire site. Your user profile is not viewable to anyone other than yourself.

            The confusion comes from a lot of moderators using this term to sound more threatening.

            [–]rdeluca 129ポイント130ポイント  (77子コメント)

            Moderator level shadownban: All of your comments and submissions are removed from a specific sub reddit, but are still perfectly fine everywhere else.

            So... just a ban. There's literally no difference if between the two if you* know you're "moderator shadowbanned".

            [–]TranslatedComment 100ポイント101ポイント  (52子コメント)

            The difference is that you get a message telling you when you're banned from a subreddit.

            Setting automoderator to remove a users comments and submissions is an easy way to avoid this message, therefore the person being banned doesn't know and make a new account.

            [–]_stonecoldsaidso 9ポイント10ポイント  (27子コメント)

            Yes but who just comments and never checks back in a thread? It's pretty easy to tell if you're automod banned even without a message, not so with shadowbans.

            [–]TranslatedComment 34ポイント35ポイント  (18子コメント)

            Your comments still show up for yourself. Checking back wouldn't matter because you still see it.

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                [–]SadDragon00 19ポイント20ポイント  (6子コメント)

                No, getting banned from a sub by the mods tells you that you got banned. An automod "shadow ban" just removes your submissions and comments, so you dont know right away.

                [–]large_butt 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

                This is really useful (from a mod perspective) because ban evading on reddit is piss-easy, which means that regular bans do fuck all to stop anyone who wants to get around them.

                Until that's no longer true, automatically removing their posts and comments with a bot is going to keep happening because it's the only effective tool you have to stop them from realizing they need a new account as quickly. It's not foolproof, but it's better than a regular ban in some cases.

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                    [–]Banana_Shits 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Also note that not a single thing that that moderator/automessage said about site rules is true.

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                      [–]Mynameisnotdoug 123ポイント124ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      That's not a shadow ban. That's a mod banning a user from a single subreddit, and using the wrong terminology.

                      [–]Saerain 75ポイント76ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Besides, doesn't telling someone they're being shadowbanned defeat the purpose of the difference?

                      [–]Zuphixavex 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      You're getting shadowbanned.

                      Entirely defeats the purpose of a shadowban.

                      [–]Barry_Scotts_Cat 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      That's not a shadow ban, that's being banned from a sub

                      [–]Squat_in_a_corner 10ポイント11ポイント  (44子コメント)

                      What does being banned from reddit entirety mean?

                      [–]kronik658 11ポイント12ポイント  (38子コメント)

                      Probably means they'll ban his ip address

                      [–]banmephaggot 20ポイント21ポイント  (37子コメント)

                      Can you just unplug your router and now you have a different ip?

                      [–]peex 11ポイント12ポイント  (29子コメント)

                      Not everyone is using dynamic IP.

                      [–]QuadraticFizz 26ポイント27ポイント  (25子コメント)

                      I'd be willing to bet that most people that browse reddit are. ISPs tend to make you pay extra for static IP and in some cases only provide that service to enterprises.

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                        [–]VioletPill 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        you have still plenty of options.

                        • VPN
                        • tor
                        • request dynamic IP from your ISP
                        • proxy

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                              [–]The_Schwarzenigger 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              /r/blackpeopletwitter mods are cancer. you're not alone.

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                                  [–]Deimorz[A] 105ポイント106ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                  The user in the video was banned for trying to use about 1000 accounts to vote up his submissions. More info here: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/3euqwf/reddit_autoshadow_banning/ctj5o31?context=3

                                  [–]Odica 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Appreciate the context. There's always a flipside to a story.

                                  [–]aatomix 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Cool to get legit info

                                  [–]heapofshit 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  aaaaaand there it is.

                                  [–]naraic42 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  If only you could do that for every shadowban. Seriously, why not just be able to type in a quick reason for a shadowban, and the reason can show up on their 404d profile or a dedicated subreddit or something.

                                  [–]mutttbuncher 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  Because spam detection is about security through obscurity

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                                    [–]qkthrv17 60ポイント61ポイント  (53子コメント)

                                    My other account got banned on subredditdrama and shadowbanned shortly after like a year or two ago.

                                    In my case, they were raiding a post (because although all the non-participation rules it's pretty obvious when people from there appear in a big group) about intellectual property. And although the post quoted on the original SRD did indeed sound quite stupid I felt curious about why he thought that way and so I started talking with the guy and asking him stuff and so I got banned. I broke the rules, but if the one that banned me had a little common sense I wouldn't be with this account now; I wasn't teasing anybody, I wasn't trashing anything, I was being polite and genuinely curious about the thing.

                                    Anyway, people get banned on online communities for almost anything. You can be doing your thing for years until one day you find that shitty admin/dude whose friend is an admin and then you just disappear (I've been banned so many times this way, and I'm not even rude or anything, I sw). Happens everywhere and nobody cares. Happens in real life with suicides, murders and what not and still people don't care; expecting otherwise in online forums when we're talking just about accounts is just nuts.

                                    [–]fuihud 7ポイント8ポイント  (43子コメント)

                                    that seems like an innocuous mistake to me, i mean all reddit does is serves as a platform for people to reach out to each other

                                    but i am confused by what you said about getting banned for reaching out and talking to the OP mentioned in the post crossposted to SRD. how did the admins of subredditdrama find out?

                                    did you pm that OP and it was a private conversation? did you post publicly in the thread? even then, how did the admins find out about the rule violation? did somebody report you or what the ban automated?

                                    this is getting a bit too confusing for me when there's so many custom rules for the thousands of subreddits out there...

                                    [–]doomngloom80 28ポイント29ポイント  (28子コメント)

                                    SRD has a bunch of users who watch for people commenting after it was posted to SRD. The assumption then is that you came from there, so they report you and it's a ban. They take great pride in this and you'll sometimes see bragging about reporting people.

                                    We could discuss the type of person who has nothing better to do than watch posts with the sole intent of "tattling" on a complete stranger, but that's another topic.

                                    [–]hydromorphone_dream 21ポイント22ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                    The SRD community has become filled with that type of user. SRS type person. Little internet warriors who's only happiness in life is in making small inconveniences for the people they disagree with (or for them, vitriolic hate) and circlejerking about it.

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                                        [–]hydromorphone_dream 31ポイント32ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                        SRD has degraded into a joke. The SRD of a few years ago would be making fun of the posts in SRD now. It's basically just an extension of SRS, and "drama" to them is only when there's controversy over one of their hot button issues, and only when their side is painted in a positive light.

                                        Otherwise, it's not drama or it's not relevant enough or whatever. It's a pretty bad subreddit.

                                        Why did you get shadowbanned from the whole site though? I'm still confused; mods from SRD can't shadowban you from the complete site, can they? Did you just get banned because they had influence on the admins?

                                        [–]IAmAWhaleProstitute 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        The SRD of a few years ago had constant mod infighting and internal drama. There were multiple offshoot subs made because of how shitty the place was getting and at one point the entire mod list was scrubbed clean because they couldn't get their shit together. Even when the sub was first created people were calling it shit. It's a sub about petty drama, it's never going to be some happy little utopia.

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                                            [–]adnzzzzZ 21ポイント22ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                            There's no way to know why it happens. If you try contacting mods depending on your luck you'll either get half answers or no answers at all. If you search for some posts that list possible reasons to getting shadowbanned it's basically a huge list of stuff, and in there are many completely normal actions that anyone who uses the Internet is bound to do sometimes, like "following a link from another website to reddit and upvoting".

                                            [–]Mynameisnotdoug 21ポイント22ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                            Mods can't shadowban. Shadowban is a very specific thing that is reddit wide and can only be done at the admin level.

                                            [–]5k3k73k 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I became aware that I was shadowbanned earlier this year. I messaged the admins regarding why, they responding with "vote brigading". Nothing more specific than that. After doing some research I found out that "vote brigading" is following a link in a topic or comment on Reddit that leads to a different topic or comment on Reddit and then voting on that topic or comment. Which I am sure I did, hyperlinking is the essence of the World Wide Web. I promised not to do it again and I was unbanned.

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                                                [–]thaweatherman[S] 1130ポイント1131ポイント  (508子コメント)

                                                It should be noted that I did not make this video. It is a friend who was an active mod on /r/lockpicking before he was banned in this manner

                                                EDIT: went to sleep after posting this. RIP my inbox in pepperonis

                                                [–]picflute 255ポイント256ポイント  (391子コメント)

                                                Did he ever ask why he was SB?

                                                [–]blendt3 342ポイント343ポイント  (371子コメント)

                                                I did, no response. But that's not uncommon.

                                                Edit: I guess this has turned into a he said she said thing. I too can post imgur links. Until we have some sort of transparent view of the administration it will always be he said she said.

                                                Edit2: Shadowbanned again. Still no response from admins other than their "screenshots".

                                                [–]Deimorz[A] 362ポイント363ポイント  (42子コメント)

                                                Well, that's not very honest, because I can see multiple responses to different accounts of yours, which you even replied back to, acknowledging that you received them. Let's do a review:

                                                I noticed you also haven't bothered to mention the 999 accounts you created and that you were trying to use to vote up your submissions in /r/me_irl. I know that's a really noble pursuit, but it's also pretty clearly against the rules.

                                                [–]doug3465 53ポイント54ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                Deimorz used Admin Fact Check. It's super effective!

                                                [–]WertyBurger 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                /u/Blendt3 claimed he did not receive a response from the admins.

                                                We determined that was a lie

                                                crowd goes wild

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                                                  [–]adamweaver43 20ポイント21ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                  Fucking /r/me_irl ? He couldn't vote cheat on a subreddit like /r/funny or /r/videos where people can actually downvote your posts, he picked /r/me_irl ???

                                                  [–]mattryanharris 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  shrekt

                                                  [–]SignedUpToUnsub 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  rekt

                                                  [–]crazy-8 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  And the plot thickens...

                                                  [–]TotesMessenger 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  I'm a bot, bleep, bloop. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit:

                                                  If you follow any of the above links, please respect the rules of reddit and don't vote in the other threads. (Info / Contact)

                                                  [–]four_sticks 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  http://i.imgur.com/7WpF4NC.gif

                                                  [–]Convictions 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Deimorz for CEO 2016.

                                                  [–]Syeth 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Rekt.

                                                  [–]iJimmy1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  The Deimorz Smite

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                                                    [–]picflute 125ポイント126ポイント  (303子コメント)

                                                    Why not email contact@reddit.com and see if they can fix it now since it uses a ticket system

                                                    [–]blendt3 101ポイント102ポイント  (77子コメント)

                                                    No response still

                                                    [–]teapot112 24ポイント25ポイント  (72子コメント)

                                                    I am curious. Can you tell what you were doing with your regular account that you think is the reason for SB?

                                                    From what I gather, IP shadowbans are only for those who are serious offenders.

                                                    [–]Derelyk 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    According to the ceo/whoever took just took over, Shadowbans are never supposed to occur against users, only bots.

                                                    https://i.imgur.com/WS8T9Gc.png

                                                    [–]blendt3 61ポイント62ポイント  (60子コメント)

                                                    I wish I knew. I can't even log into my main account anymore to look over my posts. Others have said that they were shadowbanned because the admins thought they were brigading. I just wish they would respond haha

                                                    [–]painahimah 45ポイント46ポイント  (39子コメント)

                                                    Yep. Downvoted a post I'd gotten to through /r/subredditdrama on /r/all on mobile, discovered I was shadowbanned over a week later. Had to be told what I did (brigading), I was clueless.

                                                    [–]FUSSY_PUCKER 85ポイント86ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                                    The brigading bans are bullshit. You're using their site as it was designed, and you get punished for it. If you want to disallow voting from other subreddit links, disallow votes coming from internal referrers.

                                                    Edit: internal referrers from *reddit.com/r/*/comments/* for example.

                                                    [–]Infamously_Unknown 127ポイント128ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                                    Not only you're using the site as designed, the site doesn't even inform you it's punishable.

                                                    And I'm not talking about the nature of shadowban, I'm talking about brigading itself. This rule is completely unwritten. It's not in site rules, it's not in user agreement, it's not even in the goddamn reddiquette. There's no clear official source where even an unusually diligent new user could find out this is forbidden, yet you can get the worst punishment for it there is. It's ridiculous.

                                                    [–]delta_wardog 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    But that would mean they would have to actually improve the website tools... so, not gonna happen.

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                                                      [–]unearthk 29ポイント30ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                      Same thing with my shadowban but a quick post to /r/shadowbanned and a couple Pms got it resolved. The new CFO said his intention is to eliminate shadowbanning of any and all humans.

                                                      [–]Max_Trollbot_ 37ポイント38ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      Humans only, huh?

                                                      Fuck.

                                                      [–]VoatWasDown 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      nitpick: it was the new CEO that said this. comment in question don't vote on it, you might get banhammered

                                                      [–]IAMA_BAD_MAN_AMA 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      Awww, and you believed him...how wonderfully naive!

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                                                        [–]Defengar 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Same happened to me as well. Luckily I did get it sorted out within a couple weeks.

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                                                          [–]hinckley 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                          I can't even log into my main account anymore to look over my posts

                                                          That's not a shadow-ban then. A shadow-ban is where you can interact with the site normally from your perspective but nobody else can see what you do.

                                                          [–]Trekky0623 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          A shadow ban is what's happening now, though, in the video, since his user page still comes up as long as he's logged in.

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                                                            [–]RiSkysc2 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                            Yup, got shadowbanned for brigading. The rule doesn't even make sense, if i'm linked the reddit, i can't form my own opinion and decide to downvote / upvote it? It's ridiculous.

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                                                              [–]Parasymphatetic 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                              I got shadowbanned because i posted in a sub i was banned in. The rules didn't explicitly state that on first glance but i was okay with it.

                                                              I contacted the admins and acknowledged my fault and told them i wouldn't do that again.
                                                              I wrote for 2 weeks with the admins before someone told me whether or not i will ever be unbanned....

                                                              [–]DeathHaze420 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                              well? Were you?

                                                              [–]Parasymphatetic 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                              Yeah, after 2 weeks asking for the question if i ever will be unbanned they said yeah i will but dodged the question as to when for another week and then i was finally unbanned. Without a notice of course.

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                                                                    [–]drogean2 351ポイント352ポイント  (223子コメント)

                                                                    dude reddit has ZERO support. once you're on an admin shitlist you are banned 4 life

                                                                    /r/undelete

                                                                    /r/subredditcancer

                                                                    open your eyes, mod and admin corruption has been rampant for years

                                                                    [–]Nimonic 268ポイント269ポイント  (118子コメント)

                                                                    dude reddit has ZERO support

                                                                    I've been unshadowbanned before. It happens a lot.

                                                                    [–]IIHotelYorba 281ポイント282ポイント  (59子コメント)

                                                                    Almost makes up for the fact they're not supposed to be shadowbanning any of them in the first place, right?

                                                                    [–]Noltonn 185ポイント186ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                                                    The admins seem to forget that shadowbanning has one purpose, the purpose they repeated several time is the only one for shadowbanning: Messing with spambots. The longer it takes spambots to figure out they're banned, the better.

                                                                    Shadowbans should not be used for any other purpose.

                                                                    [–]Citizen_Bongo 100ポイント101ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                    But abuse of this is rampant and documented, the amount of users *who are blatantly not spam bots shadow banned right after politely disagreeing with or questioning admins is in excusable. And clearly not a coincidence.

                                                                    Even if cases where this happened users were rude that's not the purpose of shadow banning anything else is abuse of it.

                                                                    [–]Noltonn 56ポイント57ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                    Keep in mind that more than enough of the admins on Reddit have a major power complex. These are people that have probably never had power over anyone in their lives suddenly being told "These millions? You control them now, and there are basically no consequences!"

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                                                                      [–]-Mithos- 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      I got shadowbanned for trolling in /r/aww so they clearly don't follow that rule.

                                                                      All you gotta do is get an admin to disagree with you and them to be confident that they cam shadowban you without anyone noticing.

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                                                                        [–]alien122 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                        It's more so they have no alternate universal ban. So they still kept using shadowbans instead of developing a ban for human users.

                                                                        Shadowbans should only be used for not accounts and other spam.

                                                                        [–]Enlightnd 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        Seeing the evolution of the site in the last few years, and the lack of rather basic features remaining just as long, I can't help but wonder what their devs actually do do, other then gimmicks like the button.

                                                                        Can't all be backend right?

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                                                                          [–]iSunMonkey 33ポイント34ポイント  (45子コメント)

                                                                          I've also been unshadowbanned. The main thing to keep in mind is that you should address the admins like people, because they are people.

                                                                          [–]gnartung 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          I was as well.

                                                                          I was auto-shadowbanned for posting from behind a VPN/Chrome extension thing that my coworkers had recommended. A mod told me about it, I checked at /r/ShadowBan then emailed the admins and they had it sorted when I woke up.

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                                                                            [–]socsa 25ポイント26ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                            Weren't you supposed to go to voat?

                                                                            [–]spraj 53ポイント54ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                                            once you're on an admin shitlist you are banned 4 life

                                                                            Not even close to true.

                                                                            [–]blendt3 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                            This video is aiming to help educate some people.

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                                                                                  [–]onlysame1 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  cuz he had created a spamming bot

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                                                                                    [–]ayyyyyyy-lmao 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                    Does anyone know how this effects tor users?

                                                                                    The tor browser has tried very hard to evade browser fingerprinting techniques and make each user indistinguishable, and there will often be many reddit users sharing the same exit node ip

                                                                                    Could this cause a blanket shadow ban on thousands of tor users by reddit automatically flagging the tor browser bundle fingerprint and tor exit node ip addresses because of one guy getting shadow banned?

                                                                                    [–]quacainia 42ポイント43ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                                    I feel like someone should point out that his incognito browser doesn't have a different IP, so it is probably a cookie thing and if you clear your cookies then maybe it would stop doing that.

                                                                                    Just an aimless guess from watching a video though.

                                                                                    [–]streuth_mate 164ポイント165ポイント  (85子コメント)

                                                                                    You know what should really scare ? - I have had several accounts all well over 5 years, 100k karma etc - banned - OUTRIGHT.

                                                                                    You know why ?

                                                                                    Same reason this one will be banned.

                                                                                    For revealing THIS.

                                                                                    Reddit tracks all users across all accounts and profiles them into a single user account.

                                                                                    So anyone who has a normal account and develops a THROW AWAY to reveal something secret about themselves is automatically linked back to that account.

                                                                                    SO there is no throwaway, there is no secret accounts, second accounts - they are all linked.

                                                                                    There - I said it - AGAIN - streuth_mate it was good knowing you - fare thee well.

                                                                                    .

                                                                                    [–]Isord 234ポイント235ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                                    You don't use a throwaway to hide things from Reddit or the NSA. You use a throwaway to hide something from friends or family that know your primary account.

                                                                                    You'd have to be a bit of a dunce to think that changing your screen name and posting from the exact same IP address is going to make you hidden from all prying eyes.

                                                                                    [–]socsa 172ポイント173ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                    Of course they do. Welcome to forum technology from 2004.

                                                                                    [–]heroinhero 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    Pretty sure every web server software since the beginning of the internet has had IP logging capabilities.

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                                                                                      [–]BlatantConservative 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                      Still there as of 0613 EST

                                                                                      [–]HowdyDoodlyDoo 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                      The whole point of a throwaway is for when people know your main username.

                                                                                      [–]Teh_Compass 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                      Right? If I was going I post that I fap to Brazilian midget fart porn I would do it on a throwaway because I wouldn't want that seen on this account.

                                                                                      If I didn't want it to be linked to me at all I would use a proxy, different browser, different PC, different physical location, whatever.

                                                                                      Why would I care that the admins know those accounts are still me? They don't know me. They don't care about me. Half the things I say about myself probably aren't true.

                                                                                      [–]Awkward-Bear 43ポイント44ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      Revealing this? Mother fuck this has been the norm since like 2002.

                                                                                      [–]djetaine 70ポイント71ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                      Lol, everyone knows this. All IP's are tracked on pretty much every website. This is not news and I highly doubt you were banned for revealing something that any forum user for the past 15 years has known. They can also read your private messages if they really wanted to . OH NOES!

                                                                                      [–]complex_reduction 57ポイント58ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      lol

                                                                                      [–]fat_genius 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                      You act like this is a secret, but Reddit advertises this fact publicly

                                                                                      When you create an account, you are required to provide a username and password, and may opt to provide an email address. We also log, and retain indefinitely, the IP address from which the account is initially created. Reddit privacy policy

                                                                                      If you register multiple accounts from the same IP, they will be linkable. Don't bitch at Reddit because you clicked to agree without reading the policy.

                                                                                      [–]sarmatron 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      open your eyes sheeple

                                                                                      [–]doomsday1216 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      Did you really believe you could keep your data as a user separate from Reddit without explicitly trying to do so in an overly challenging way?

                                                                                      You may be paranoid, but you're also certainly uninformed to boot.

                                                                                      [–]NK___ 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      You can use a different browser + VPN or TOR if you really want a throwaway for something that could get you in trouble.

                                                                                      [–]cisxuzuul 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      Why not? They have your IP, they know who the throwaway goes back toward. If you do something stupid and that record needs to goto the FBI or your local investigation unit, they can track that IP through each and every router. If you are mobile, they can track it even further. While some of you want to make reddit a "free speech" hub, if you break the law or break Reddit's rules, they have the ability to know your logins by IP. If you're daft enough to be shocked at this, you're part of the fucking problem. And guess what? Voat can do the same fucking thing. Lololol

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                                                                                          [–]strallweat 89ポイント90ポイント  (57子コメント)

                                                                                          There's a difference between the normal shadow ban and the ip shadowban. You have to break some of the more serious rules to get an IP ban.

                                                                                          [–]sethboy66 30ポイント31ポイント  (30子コメント)

                                                                                          They don't really IP ban actually, because any person can change their IP in the matter of minutes, or if you know what you're doing you can set things up to change your IP every time you reconnect to a server.

                                                                                          I'm not sure how precisely they perma ban but I know of two people that since being truly perma banned have not been able to get back on Reddit from their computer. I'm thinking it's a hardware GUID ban but not sure.

                                                                                          [–]_under_ 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                          I can confidently say that there is no way any service can ban a "person". No one can do that. It's very very trivial to get around any form of ban.

                                                                                          The only thing services can do is increase the barrier to creating a new account. Paid services do this by allowing only one account to have the same credit card. Of course, you could have multiple credit card numbers, but it's not easy getting another one.

                                                                                          [–]piercy08 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          They probably use browser finger printing. Check this site out, it tells you how unique your browser is compared to everyone else whos tried it. I imagine this technique among others is uses to identify you.

                                                                                          https://panopticlick.eff.org/

                                                                                          [–]Cornfroggie 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                          Actually they do. My entire office consisting of 8 long term redditors got banned due to one person getting into an argument on reddit and calling someone by their first name. I'm happy to demonstrate it for you if you like, but the video OP posted already does.

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                                                                                              [–]SLUTTY_COCK_KNOB 268ポイント269ポイント  (33子コメント)

                                                                                              I mean duh. They log your IP. All accounts you had associated with the IP when 1 of your accounts was banned are also banned. That's the entire point of stopping spammers creating bots to spam the shit out of this website. It works as intended for the most part.

                                                                                              Now I will say it's not being used as intended. Actual users who break the broad and vague spectrum of reddit rules, say harassing a user via PM, that person should at least get a message saying they've been banned from reddit for such reason.

                                                                                              [–]kalanosh 112ポイント113ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                                              I don't think he was IP banned. He didn't get banned until he used the same incognito window. Incognito doesn't change your IP. So they have a session ID associate with that browsers process. Your browser stores that session ID like a temp cookie.

                                                                                              His account that got shadowban first was deliberately spamming to trigger it. He then open the new account on the non-incognito window and he didn't get banned. Once he logout out of the shadowban account and loged into the new account he tripped a red flag. The Shadowban account is on the same session ID as this new account. That like having an IP, connected to a computer, thats connected to that one user still open browsers session id.

                                                                                              Once you close your browser window it wipes the session ID.

                                                                                              That what I think happened.

                                                                                              [–]aveman101 71ポイント72ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                              His account that got shadowban first was deliberately spamming to trigger it.

                                                                                              This is the point that most people here are missing. The guy in the video even described NumberWangBot as something that "just writes a bunch of spam".

                                                                                              [–]dam072000 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                              They'd ban a lot of people that use public computers if it was just off of IP. Right?

                                                                                              [–]kalanosh 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              That, VPNs and also most IPs are dynamic tomorrow you could have someone else shadowbanned IP.

                                                                                              I am guessing they are using a Session ID cookie. So two users logged in, they grab the session ID see there are two or there is one present and check it to see who user attached to it during their login.

                                                                                              [–]OrangeJuiceFarmer 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                              Not just public. If they're on a local network with NAT then anyone behind that router would be banned as well, like all the family members in a house or all employees at a company.

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                                                                                                [–]Cornfroggie 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                So what happens if you are one of the many people that accesses reddit from a shared IP like a dorm, apartment building, or office? This system sounds good in theory bit results in a lot of innocent people being banned as well.

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                                                                                                  [–]RyanKinder 47ポイント48ポイント  (32子コメント)

                                                                                                  /u/spez (the ceo of reddit) has already stated that they are working on revamping the shadowban policy. also, one can appeal shadowbans by sending a message to the admins in the sidebar at /r/reddit.com

                                                                                                  (I wonder, though, if having the phrase shadowban in the username and already having multiple shadowbanned accounts on your ip address might have caused a more immediate reaction.)

                                                                                                  [–]Shiningknight12 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                  /u/spez[1] (the ceo of reddit) has already stated that they are working on revamping the shadowban policy.[2] also, one can appeal shadowbans by sending a message to the admins in the sidebar at /r/reddit.com[3]

                                                                                                  They said the same thing several years ago.

                                                                                                  Most likely, they will just rely on Redditors short attention span to hope they forget instead of changing anything.

                                                                                                  [–]Mohammed420blazeit 49ポイント50ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                                                  You can appeal, but good luck.

                                                                                                  I was shadowbanned for voting on a submitted link in a subreddit that apparently was high profile at the time and I was accused of being part of a "brigade".

                                                                                                  I never got to speak to the admin who banned me and was only told by another admin (sporkicide) that the note left was that I "brigaded" and no admin ever responded when I asked for details or anything. I didn't even know wtf a brigade was. 5+ year account gone lol

                                                                                                  edit: mod = admin

                                                                                                  [–]RyanKinder 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                  I never got to speak to the mod who banned me and was only told by another mod that the note left was that I "brigaded" and no mod ever responded when I asked for details or anything.

                                                                                                  Fwiw you said mod a few times. Mods can't shadowban. Only admins and the automated system the admins set up can.

                                                                                                  [–]Meth-Damon 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                  but good luck

                                                                                                  Not really. I was using a couple of accounts for vote manipulation a month or two ago and I was shadowbanned, as were all the other accounts. I jumped to this one and asked why I was even bothering with vote manipulation anyway. After a day or two, they had shadowbanned this account despite it being unconnected recently. I messaged them and asked why, they said vote manipulation. I admitted it and they said "Don't do it again" and lifted the ban. On top of that, I got a response within a couple of hours.

                                                                                                  I don't know why other people are having so much trouble. Anytime I've ever had to message the admins for whatever reason (including reclaiming a subreddit from a dead account) they've been really prompt.

                                                                                                  I'm not defending reddit as a whole, things are going seriously downhill, but I haven't had any disrespect from the admins here. I was polite, they were polite.

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                                                                                                      [–]finitude 119ポイント120ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                                                                      So, he made "an annoying bot" and he's wondering why he's being shadowbanned instantly? Is there more to this or is that it?

                                                                                                      [–]JustARogue 79ポイント80ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                                      Right, it's this. Even the admins that said shadow banning was being abused said they created it originally to prevent spam. Then a dude creates a bot that spams and gets shadow banned. Then the same dude creates a bunch of accounts to try and circumvent the ban and gets IP banned.

                                                                                                      This seems like shadow banning working as intended here.

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                                                                                                        [–]JUST_LOGGED_IN 199ポイント200ポイント  (89子コメント)

                                                                                                        Commenting to check if this /r/videos post ends up on /r/undelete .

                                                                                                        [–]RyanKinder 78ポイント79ポイント  (50子コメント)

                                                                                                        /r/videos rarely ends up there, I think. They never deleted any gamergate videos, for example.

                                                                                                        [–]Grandfather_Clock 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                        They removed the video of the SJW students who blocked anyone entrance to their college as some sort of protest. The video was deemed too political, though the video itself didn't comment on the event. It was just a portrayal of some idiots stopping people from getting an education. So no, /r/videos is not the bastion of free speech on reddit.

                                                                                                        [–]Isord 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                        Has /r/videos ever proclaimed to be a bastion of free speech? Seems like there are really clear rules in the sidebar that make it obvious it is not.

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                                                                                                          [–]AlwaysBeNice 60ポイント61ポイント  (30子コメント)

                                                                                                          I remember a video of cop breaking into a marijuana dispensary on duty and taking the weed or something, it was uploaded 3 times and 3 times it shot up to the top 10 within a few hours, it was also deleted 3 times because of the bs rule:

                                                                                                          ' 4. No Videos of Police Brutality or Police Harassment'

                                                                                                          I thought we had an upvote and downvote system so the community could decide what goes up and down, but apparently we need rules to decide what we should see and what not.

                                                                                                          [–]spencer32320 54ポイント55ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                                                          I believe one of the mods is a cop. So that would explain that.

                                                                                                          [–]ohhyouknow7 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                          This happened today with this thread.

                                                                                                          [–]dingoperson2 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                          At least it's clear in the rules. That makes it 70% less problematic IMO.

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                                                                                                              [–]jesuspunk[M] 42ポイント43ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                                                                                              Well this doesn't break any rules so why should it?

                                                                                                              [–]xlnqeniuz 52ポイント53ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                                                              Because it's your duty as a mod to be as Nazi as possible. /s

                                                                                                              duhh

                                                                                                              [–]SimplyPodly 20ポイント21ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                                                              Just saying, that no police brutality rule is EXTREMELY stupid and only good for silencing true police brutality. What is the problem with sharing videos of police brutality? Especially in a place which is supposed to be moderated by the users, we don't need bullshit rules like that.

                                                                                                              [–]jesuspunk[M] 37ポイント38ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                                              Causes nothing but problems. We have had huge witch hunting incidents and PI spreading.

                                                                                                              Just like videos of animal abuse they serve no purpose in this community. There's no need to bring attention to them. There are other subs for that.

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                                                                                                                    [–]fatbobcat 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                    Something I don't get about shadowbanning - my girlfriend recently had her account shadowbanned. We assumed this was because she repeatedly posted content from her own site to a subreddit. However, this subreddit continuously loved her content, upvoted it highly, and the mods never once said anything. She engaged in the rest of the subreddit on a daily basis, and only posted her own content perhaps once every 2 weeks. But she was shadowbanned for this. Surely it should be up to the community to moderate its own content. I understand why self-promotion isn't Reddiquette but there's a difference between self promotion of good content that the community wants and protecting against marketing and spammers. Reminds me of this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOtuEDgYTwI

                                                                                                                    [–]TripChaos 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                    Message the admins and ask, brigiading seems to be the common problem. It'd be really sad if it was for self promotion, because as you've said it's not even against the rules.

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                                                                                                                      [–]thenovamaster 16ポイント17ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                                                                      I was recently shadowbanned. According to the admins I was part of a "brigade" on /r/fphrecovery. Turns out I had found myself in that sub about three months ago and had downvoted a single post.

                                                                                                                      A single post.. and I was brigading. Watch what you disagree with out there people.

                                                                                                                      [–]moeburn 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                      I thought you could only get mod banned from specific subs for "vote brigading", they're shadowbanning people from all of Reddit for following links to other subs and voting on things? Are they out of their fucking minds? That's like making it illegal to yell at people on the streets of NYC.

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                                                                                                                        [–]Skipper_Blue 10ポイント11ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                                                        Didn't the admins specifically say that they were going to stop doing this?

                                                                                                                        [–]MarxIzalias 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                        The admins say a lot of things, like users are just gold bars.

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                                                                                                                          [–]The1RGood 6ポイント7ポイント  (38子コメント)

                                                                                                                          You know, most reddit profiling is done on your own browser. reddit saves the recent activity of profiles on your browser in cookies, so you can dodge this basic level of profiling pretty easy just by clearing your cookies.

                                                                                                                          If you want proof of this, you can look at your network traffic in chrome, or download a cookie-editor like "EditThisCookie". There's a field called <account name>_recentclicks2 that keeps track of which account has accessed reddit from that chrome session, and a brief history of what content they've accessed.

                                                                                                                          See, the reason this user keeps getting banned specifically in chrome is because they keep sending the same recent-access information, shadowbanned accounts and all, every time they log in, and the account is immediately flagged. That's why they can make accounts in firefox, and not chrome.

                                                                                                                          I'd bet a month of reddit gold that if they logged out of reddit entirely, cleared cookies, and tried logging in again, the account wouldn't get banned.

                                                                                                                          [–]klingerfish 65ポイント66ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                                                          After watching this, I wanted to look at the comments, but the post was deleted. Looks like it's back now. God, reddit is shit.

                                                                                                                          [–]ChemicalGoomba 254ポイント255ポイント  (157子コメント)

                                                                                                                          Shadowbanning scares the hell out of me. If it was for an online game or something fine, but for a site that completely depends on user interaction and discussions, it scares me.

                                                                                                                          [–]freet0 154ポイント155ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                                                                                                          It seems very weird that this is used instead of just a normal ban. I guess in the case of spam bots you don't want them to realize and just make a new account. But why for a legitimate account that just broke rules?

                                                                                                                          [–]shadvich 132ポイント133ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                                                                          Even that doesn't make sense though. It would be trivial for the bot to check its profile page without its login cookies or through a proxy and check if it's shadowbanned.

                                                                                                                          [–]Gazareth 72ポイント73ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                                          Exactly, at this point its primary function is useless. It's for people.

                                                                                                                          [–]Barry_Scotts_Cat 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                          It's impossible to put in a system that allows users to realise and bots to not realise.

                                                                                                                          [–]Shierve 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                          you can do it with the reddit api in python: 

                                                                                                                          import praw
r = praw.Reddit('application by /u/unidan')

def is_banned(username):
    shadowbanned = False
    try:
        user = r.get_redditor(username)
    except:
        shadowbanned = True
    return shadowbanned

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                                                                                                                            [–]TurielD 38ポイント39ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                                                            Because if the banned person doesnt realise they've been silenced, they won't think to complain about it through other means.

                                                                                                                            [–]iamaManBearPig 23ポイント24ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                                            If ive been shadow banned, i would find out after a few days at most. Then i either wont return to the website for while or ill make a new account. Shadow bans are stupid.

                                                                                                                            When you are participating in the community its pretty easy to realize when you are shadowbanned.

                                                                                                                            [–]Da_Plutonian 50ポイント51ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                                            there was a dude on /r/tifu that was shadowbanned for 3 years and kept posting and didn't realize

                                                                                                                            [–]greiton 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                            You'd be surprised. I went 8 months without realizing. I thought I was just posting bad and in dead threads.

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                                                                                                                                [–]myringotomy 21ポイント22ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                                                Shadow banning somebody allows you to still show them advertisements. If you ban them they go away.

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                                                                                                                                  [–]hitler_kardashian 550ポイント551ポイント  (79子コメント)

                                                                                                                                  Shadowbanning scares the hell out of me

                                                                                                                                  Getting banned on a discussion board scares the hell out of you? Seriously?

                                                                                                                                  [–]BipolarBear0 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                                  2spooky4me

                                                                                                                                  [–]TessaigaVI 35ポイント36ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                                                  I can't stand when reddit users use buzzwords like that.

                                                                                                                                  [–]ChemicalGoomba 69ポイント70ポイント  (44子コメント)

                                                                                                                                  Well it's not the getting banned that does it for me. It's the fact that I don't know. I might write valid discussions and attempt to make a point, and it doesn't matter. The thought of spending several weeks trying to be friendly and converse and nothing happening is what scares me. I would much prefer a "you are banned" message than just praying that i'm not banned.

                                                                                                                                  [–]QQRT_Left 52ポイント53ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                                                                                  You'll get a funny feeling about it if you make like 10 or 20 posts and none of them get any upvotes or downvotes.

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                                                                                                                                      [–]-PiPo- 119ポイント120ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                                                      it scares me

                                                                                                                                      I think you need to get out more often.

                                                                                                                                      [–]pressbutton 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                      Why is there a bomb in my house? Great now I'm even more scared. Back to being scared about a fucking link aggregator then I guess

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                                                                                                                                        [–]Black_Santa_FTW 35ポイント36ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                        You need to get a grip man.

                                                                                                                                        [–]porkabeefy 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                        Yeah, it scares me too. It scares me more than someone gang raping my kids.

                                                                                                                                        There is nothing worse than having people not be able to read your comments on reddit.

                                                                                                                                        [–]coffeedude7 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                        Dude you need to take a long look at your life...

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                                                                                                                                          [–]SHCreeper 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                                          Does that mean that when I use some public computer, I could be shadowbanned for it?

                                                                                                                                          [–]roraima_is_very_tall 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                          another way to tell is, absolutely no one gives you an up or downvote, no matter what you write.

                                                                                                                                          [–]angleglj 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                          Can't he just turn off auto-shadow on Direct X?

                                                                                                                                          [–]StoneColdJane 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                          This shadowbanning is crap shit. I was using my old account for 5 month only to realize they shadowbanned me from start. I was completely puzzled wtf no one ever replay to my comments or interact with me, at the moment I had no clue about shadowbanning, when I heard of it, I checked and made a new account.

                                                                                                                                          [–]slickety_split 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                          I found a video of the admins right before they shadow ban someone with an opinion that offends them. https://youtu.be/Sy95hbGiBmI

                                                                                                                                          [–]Gusfoo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                          The guy ran an abusive bot and has been perma-banned for doing so. Seems like a simple open-and-shut case.

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