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[–]thaweatherman[S] 1111ポイント1112ポイント  (464子コメント)

It should be noted that I did not make this video. It is a friend who was an active mod on /r/lockpicking before he was banned in this manner

EDIT: went to sleep after posting this. RIP my inbox in pepperonis

[–]picflute 247ポイント248ポイント  (352子コメント)

Did he ever ask why he was SB?

[–]blendt3 438ポイント439ポイント  (332子コメント)

I did, no response. But that's not uncommon.

Edit: I guess this has turned into a he said she said thing. I too can post imgur links. Until we have some sort of transparent view of the administration it will always be he said she said.

[–]Deimorz[A] 121ポイント122ポイント  (16子コメント)

Well, that's not very honest, because I can see multiple responses to different accounts of yours, which you even replied back to, acknowledging that you received them. Let's do a review:

I noticed you also haven't bothered to mention the 999 accounts you created and that you were trying to use to vote up your submissions in /r/me_irl. I know that's a really noble pursuit, but it's also pretty clearly against the rules.

[–]SignedUpToUnsub 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

rekt

[–]crazy-8 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the plot thickens...

[–]Shadaux23 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shots fired!

[–]mattryanharris 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

shrekt

[–]doug3465 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Deimorz used Admin Fact Check. It's super effective!

[–]adamweaver43 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fucking /r/me_irl ? He couldn't vote cheat on a subreddit like /r/funny or /r/videos where people can actually downvote your posts, he picked /r/me_irl ???

[–]iJimmy1 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Deimorz Smite

[–]Syeth 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rekt.

[–]Convictions 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Deimorz for CEO 2016.

[–]four_sticks 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://i.imgur.com/7WpF4NC.gif

[–]xmuffinmanx 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait, this isnt /r/leagueoflegends

[–]ThePandademic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I knew it was all too good of a story.

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    [–]picflute 123ポイント124ポイント  (295子コメント)

    Why not email contact@reddit.com and see if they can fix it now since it uses a ticket system

    [–]blendt3 113ポイント114ポイント  (75子コメント)

    No response still

    [–]teapot112 24ポイント25ポイント  (70子コメント)

    I am curious. Can you tell what you were doing with your regular account that you think is the reason for SB?

    From what I gather, IP shadowbans are only for those who are serious offenders.

    [–]Derelyk 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

    According to the ceo/whoever took just took over, Shadowbans are never supposed to occur against users, only bots.

    https://i.imgur.com/WS8T9Gc.png

    [–]Drunken_Economist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    OP was using 999 bot accounts to upvote his own posts, so he got banned. He knows about it too

    [–]blendt3 62ポイント63ポイント  (59子コメント)

    I wish I knew. I can't even log into my main account anymore to look over my posts. Others have said that they were shadowbanned because the admins thought they were brigading. I just wish they would respond haha

    [–]painahimah 47ポイント48ポイント  (38子コメント)

    Yep. Downvoted a post I'd gotten to through /r/subredditdrama on /r/all on mobile, discovered I was shadowbanned over a week later. Had to be told what I did (brigading), I was clueless.

    [–]FUSSY_PUCKER 91ポイント92ポイント  (26子コメント)

    The brigading bans are bullshit. You're using their site as it was designed, and you get punished for it. If you want to disallow voting from other subreddit links, disallow votes coming from internal referrers.

    Edit: internal referrers from *reddit.com/r/*/comments/* for example.

    [–]Infamously_Unknown 128ポイント129ポイント  (23子コメント)

    Not only you're using the site as designed, the site doesn't even inform you it's punishable.

    And I'm not talking about the nature of shadowban, I'm talking about brigading itself. This rule is completely unwritten. It's not in site rules, it's not in user agreement, it's not even in the goddamn reddiquette. There's no clear official source where even an unusually diligent new user could find out this is forbidden, yet you can get the worst punishment for it there is. It's ridiculous.

    [–]delta_wardog 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

    But that would mean they would have to actually improve the website tools... so, not gonna happen.

    [–]bananinhao 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You can't browse more than one website or subreddit Rule #1664:3

    [–]unearthk 33ポイント34ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Same thing with my shadowban but a quick post to /r/shadowbanned and a couple Pms got it resolved. The new CFO said his intention is to eliminate shadowbanning of any and all humans.

    [–]Max_Trollbot_ 37ポイント38ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Humans only, huh?

    Fuck.

    [–]VoatWasDown 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    nitpick: it was the new CEO that said this. comment in question don't vote on it, you might get banhammered

    [–]IAMA_BAD_MAN_AMA 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Awww, and you believed him...how wonderfully naive!

    [–]Defengar 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Same happened to me as well. Luckily I did get it sorted out within a couple weeks.

    [–]dirtymoney 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    same thing happened to me. I think you can get around the "brigading" accusation by not directly following a posted link. But by going to that subreddit and finding the submission in the post list.

    When i first talked to admin about it and asked them... I got no answer so I assume I was right. Note: I was asking so that I didnt get accidentally shadowbanned again. So, just to be careful (so you arent accidentally thrown in with the rest of the people who get shadowbanned for brigading), dont follow the direct link.

    I post this for those who get caught up in a massive shadowbanning (like I did once) because they didnt know what they did was technically wrong. Because heaven forbid you follow a posted link to another subreddit and downvote or upvote a few comments because you will be cast down with the actual malicious brigaders by mods/admins who dont really check and see if you are one.

    [–]painahimah 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I honestly don't pay much attention, I was just clicking links and reading. I'll sometimes have hours between initially entering a thread and reading the comments since I set my phone down, so I just skip all /r/bestof and /r/subredditdrama links just in case.

    [–]hinckley 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I can't even log into my main account anymore to look over my posts

    That's not a shadow-ban then. A shadow-ban is where you can interact with the site normally from your perspective but nobody else can see what you do.

    [–]Trekky0623 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    A shadow ban is what's happening now, though, in the video, since his user page still comes up as long as he's logged in.

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      [–]RiSkysc2 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Yup, got shadowbanned for brigading. The rule doesn't even make sense, if i'm linked the reddit, i can't form my own opinion and decide to downvote / upvote it? It's ridiculous.

      [–]GallantChaos 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

      It took me a long time to learn what brigading is. Take, for example /r/PicklesSuck crosslink to /r/pickles. The users in /r/picklessuck then heavily downvote that post in /r/pickles regardless of the content, because they hate pickles. The mods ban users to prevent war between communities.

      I am totally neutral on pickels.

      [–]RiSkysc2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Hilarious example. But that wasn't even what i did :/

      Had to message like 10 different mods just to get rid of my shadowban.

      [–]im_always_fapping 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I fucking love pickles. The only thing I love more is a pickle surprise.

      [–]TURBOSLUT420 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It is because sometimes people get their feelings hurt when people come and downvote them.

      Yes, that is really why.

      [–]mcnewbie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      that's what happened to me. i voted on a post that was linked to from another subreddit. there wasn't even any notification telling me i was shadowbanned, it took me a week to figure it out. it took a further month to clear up because my direct messages to various admins were consistently ignored.

      edit: the handful of responses i got from admins made much mention of how reddit is supposed to be organic and how "brigading" (that is, participating in a post that was linked to from another subreddit) is inorganic.

      make of that nebulous description what you will.

      [–]Noltonn 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Admins have several times mentioned a normal user should not be shadowbanned. It should only be used as a way to mess with spambots.

      [–]blendt3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Can you tell them that for me?

      [–]PathOfDesire 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I was shadowbanned on my old account too. My guess is that I would follow links to other parts of reddit and then participate in the conversations or upvote/downvote comments and links. . /r/bestof for example.

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        [–]Parasymphatetic 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

        I got shadowbanned because i posted in a sub i was banned in. The rules didn't explicitly state that on first glance but i was okay with it.

        I contacted the admins and acknowledged my fault and told them i wouldn't do that again.
        I wrote for 2 weeks with the admins before someone told me whether or not i will ever be unbanned....

        [–]DeathHaze420 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

        well? Were you?

        [–]Parasymphatetic 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Yeah, after 2 weeks asking for the question if i ever will be unbanned they said yeah i will but dodged the question as to when for another week and then i was finally unbanned. Without a notice of course.

        [–]purple_monkey58 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I was shadowbanned for the sane thing. Where in the rules does it say you can't comment on a sub you've been banned from. I liked but couldn't find it

        [–]jmerridew124 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        IP shadowbans are only for bots. Using it on people is absolute horseshit.

        [–]picflute 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Did you try sometime in the last two weeks? It takes a while but a response does come

        [–]blendt3 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Week and a half so far so I guess I have a few days haha.

        [–]drogean2 348ポイント349ポイント  (217子コメント)

        dude reddit has ZERO support. once you're on an admin shitlist you are banned 4 life

        /r/undelete

        /r/subredditcancer

        open your eyes, mod and admin corruption has been rampant for years

        [–]Nimonic 260ポイント261ポイント  (117子コメント)

        dude reddit has ZERO support

        I've been unshadowbanned before. It happens a lot.

        [–]IIHotelYorba 272ポイント273ポイント  (58子コメント)

        Almost makes up for the fact they're not supposed to be shadowbanning any of them in the first place, right?

        [–]Noltonn 177ポイント178ポイント  (23子コメント)

        The admins seem to forget that shadowbanning has one purpose, the purpose they repeated several time is the only one for shadowbanning: Messing with spambots. The longer it takes spambots to figure out they're banned, the better.

        Shadowbans should not be used for any other purpose.

        [–]Citizen_Bongo 94ポイント95ポイント  (17子コメント)

        But abuse of this is rampant and documented, the amount of users *who are blatantly not spam bots shadow banned right after politely disagreeing with or questioning admins is in excusable. And clearly not a coincidence.

        Even if cases where this happened users were rude that's not the purpose of shadow banning anything else is abuse of it.

        [–]Noltonn 51ポイント52ポイント  (9子コメント)

        Keep in mind that more than enough of the admins on Reddit have a major power complex. These are people that have probably never had power over anyone in their lives suddenly being told "These millions? You control them now, and there are basically no consequences!"

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          [–]-Mithos- 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I got shadowbanned for trolling in /r/aww so they clearly don't follow that rule.

          All you gotta do is get an admin to disagree with you and them to be confident that they cam shadowban you without anyone noticing.

          [–]iknowthatiamright 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          "Seem to forget" lol

          [–]Noltonn 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It sounds so much nice than "Seem to not give a shit", doesn't it?

          [–]WPLonghornz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I disagree. Consider the fact that it is extremely easy for a bot to detect that it has been shadow banned but difficult for a normal user. Perhaps the initial design goal was spam control but the actual implementation is clearly user control.

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            [–]alien122 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

            It's more so they have no alternate universal ban. So they still kept using shadowbans instead of developing a ban for human users.

            Shadowbans should only be used for not accounts and other spam.

            [–]Enlightnd 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Seeing the evolution of the site in the last few years, and the lack of rather basic features remaining just as long, I can't help but wonder what their devs actually do do, other then gimmicks like the button.

            Can't all be backend right?

            [–]kaboom108 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Considering how often the site had performance problems, and how many times it has gone down in the last few years, I would bet a huge amount of it has been backend. It takes a lot of work and engineering effort to make a site that can handle massive traffic loads on dynamically generated content, especially if you did not architect for it properly in the first place. Reddit is a small company, the about team page shows under 100 employees. The dev team is probably 20 people or less.

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              [–]iSunMonkey 36ポイント37ポイント  (45子コメント)

              I've also been unshadowbanned. The main thing to keep in mind is that you should address the admins like people, because they are people.

              [–]PathOfDesire 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I've sent admins proper and respectful messages and they were ignored.

              [–]opie2 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

              I was banned once in a sub for using language that did not fit the politically correct doctrine of the mod who banned me. I was polite but firm, but the mod would not budge and just refused to respond to me after the second message. This was not hate speech, it was a difference of opinion, but it pointed out to me how much power the mods actually have over the site and over users. If you run afoul of the wrong person, you're basically fucked and have no recourse. Messaging admins was useless. All I can think is that they had/have bigger fish to fry than dealing with a minor dispute between a user and a mod. But to me it revealed the fundamentally undemocratic foundational framework that reddit is built on. It's not really a "community" in the sense that if mods want to, they can run their subs like little fiefdoms and there's not a lot a user can do about that.

              [–]modsrliars -4ポイント-3ポイント  (35子コメント)

              That's not how a consumer-service provider relationship works.

              Don't get me wrong, it is nice to have pleasant relationships in this realm, but at no point in a consumer-service provider relationship is the service provider's feelings a commodity.

              And in the case of something like Reddit, the service provider seems to often need to be put in their place. They are here to provide service to the users, not to convince themselves that they are entitled to feelz pandering from those users.

              As long as the service provider behaves themselves, they absolutely should be spoken to pleasantly. When they step ou of line, though, they need to expect to he spoken to as such and put in their place. As service.

              In the real world, when you pull the type of power tripping shit tat reddit admins pull on your consumers, you quickly find yourself without consumers.

              [–]DoctorExplosion 33ポイント34ポイント  (10子コメント)

              That's not how a consumer-service provider relationship works.

              No, that's exactly how consumer-service provide relationships work. If you ever call up tech support and bitch out the guy on the other end, do you really think they've got an incentive to go out of their way to help out someone who's being a dick? Same deal with store employees and financial service providers; treat them as sub-humans and you'll find they'll do the bare minimum required to "help" you.

              You ever heard the phrase "You catch more flies with honey than vinegar?" When you have a problem with a product or service, if you actually treat the employees like human beings you'll find 9/10 your problem gets fixed A LOT quicker.

              [–]BcookieOmonsterB 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Bullshit, apple vinegar with a drop of soap put in an open top container is about the best cheap fly trap you could hope for.

              [–]Uberrancel 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              You get more flies with bullshit than either. 😎

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                [–]Erdumas 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                you quickly find yourself without consumers.

                Yes. That is, in the consumer-service provider relationship, there is no excuse for either party to be a dick. If the service provider is treating customers poorly, the solution is not for customers to treat the people who work for the service provider poorly, it's for the customers to leave.

                [–]Shurikane 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Unfortunately, it's often a one-way street.

                Right now I'm dealing with a situation where the customers who treat us like dogs are also the ones who contribute the most to our profits. They quite literally have "bought a license to act like dicks". If we were to turn them away, the business would go belly-up overnight. :(

                [–]__CeilingCat 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                That's not how a consumer-service provider relationship works.

                Well, as always, you get what you pay for....

                [–]modsrliars 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Now that, is an adroit point.

                [–]Yyoumadbro 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                This might be somewhat true, if you paid for the service. But you don't. And they don't owe you anything. They're giving you a place to hang out for free.

                If I open my back yard as a playground I'm not obligated to be nice to everyone who uses it. I'm letting them use my resource for free.

                [–]iSunMonkey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Ok. Send your message filled with entitlement, then.

                [–]the-incredible-ape 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                In the real world, when you pull the type of power tripping shit tat reddit admins pull on your consumers, you quickly find yourself without consumers.

                This is the real world, it just so happens not to be the checkout at Tiffany's, so you can either behave according to the facts on the ground, or bash your head against a wall and whine about how the stupid door isn't opening properly. Reddit users aren't paying the admins, what do you think this is? You're talking about getting worse service at a soup kitchen staffed by volunteers when you disregard their feelings, not a "consumer-service provider relationship"

                [–]ANGLVD3TH 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                What you're talking about is how things should work. And it has absolutely nothing to do with how things actually work.

                [–]CarolynDesign 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                You are the worst kind of customer. When you come through my lane at work and are angry because you thought an item was on sale and it wasn't, I make you pay full price.

                The guy behind you who treated me as a human being, and remembered that I have feelings, too... Well, he might just be getting a discount, because, hey, look at that, I have an extra coupon, and I don't mind doing something nice for you.

                Maybe I'm not doing my job according to spec. But you're still a dick and I'm not a tool for you to abuse at your leisure just because I'm providing a service to you at the moment. I'm a human, and deserve to be treated as such.

                [–]modsrliars 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                You're absolutely and completely wrong.

                I worked in retail for 10 years. I treat retail workers very well and with empathy and, for the record til 20% just for showing up and not being an asshole about it. The worst thing I've ever done/said to a retail employee was to tell a cashier's manager to put his hand back in his pocket, shut his fucking mouth, and go back to his fucking box when he snapped at her.

                Havin expectations of service does not preclude one from treating workers with empathy and respect.

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                    [–]gnartung 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I was as well.

                    I was auto-shadowbanned for posting from behind a VPN/Chrome extension thing that my coworkers had recommended. A mod told me about it, I checked at /r/ShadowBan then emailed the admins and they had it sorted when I woke up.

                    [–]GodOfAtheism 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Yup, just saw a regular on /r/atheism collect his second shadowban and be unbanned in a matter of about 8 hours.

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                      [–]socsa 22ポイント23ポイント  (12子コメント)

                      Weren't you supposed to go to voat?

                      [–]SamMee514 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

                      It's invite only now because the "mass exodus" of redditeurs killed their servers. Not to mention the cp as well...

                      [–]spraj 49ポイント50ポイント  (21子コメント)

                      once you're on an admin shitlist you are banned 4 life

                      Not even close to true.

                      [–]theydeletedme 5ポイント6ポイント  (18子コメント)

                      I was shadowbanned, instantly made this new account. Though, maybe I'm just not edgy enough to get on an admin's shitlist. :(

                      [–]spraj 19ポイント20ポイント  (13子コメント)

                      It doesn't prevent you from making a new account unless it's an IP ban, which pretty much never happens. Also you can get your old account unbanned if you ask nicely.

                      /u/drogean2 needs to open his eyes and realize who he's been listening to in /r/subredditcancer. It's in their best interest to lie about the specifics of shadowbans and admin behavior.

                      [–]Berzerker7 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      IP Bans are done quite often. We use them for people who don't know when to give up and start ban evading. It's a last resort for us, but it does happen.

                      [–]ilostmyoldaccount 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      I hope you don't ban dynamic IP addresses as well.

                      [–]spraj 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      We

                      You aren't on the admin list so what do you mean?

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                        [–]iknowthatiamright 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Using the word edgy? So brave.

                        [–]Readyredditren 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Name checks out

                        [–]2Cthulhu4School 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        You're probably just not stupid enough to make annoying fucking bots.

                        [–]CarnivorousAvengerII 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        They got me too. I was so close to 100k karma.

                        [–]Lurking_Grue 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Get a new IP address, wipe your browsers and possibly install a few fonts in case they are using something like https://panopticlick.eff.org/ and you are probably set.

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                          [–]blendt3 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

                          This video is aiming to help educate some people.

                          [–]ALoudMouthBaby 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          open your eyes, mod and admin corruption has been rampant for years

                          WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!!

                          [–]ScienceGuyChris221B 38ポイント39ポイント  (18子コメント)

                          "open your eyes, mod and admin corruption has been rampant for years"

                          Corruption? Open your eyes? This is a website. I reiterate: this is a website. I find it hilarious when people blow stuff out of proportion. Stuff like this crap with subreddits going down, the Ellen Pao business etc. are very insignificant but when I see people talking about reddit like it's real life, I envision a bunch of five year olds blowing their toy games and battles out of proportion.

                          I'd take this time to say "Who the hell cares?" But turns out, most do. And that is hilarious.

                          [–]MisterDonkey 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          It's a new world. People argue over not liking Facebook statuses. Relationships are built and destroyed entirely over what is written into websites. And so on.

                          Web is serious business now, and what occurs in cyberspace has real world consequence. It might seem ridiculous, but it's pretty clear that the line that put web stuff in fantasy land has faded.

                          One of the biggest things is that real money can be gained or lost now not only on retail, but entirely on social websites. People bank on the success and following of comment platforms, which makes the ethics and standards of comment sections a pretty big deal.

                          I'm not going to pretend to care for all that drama, but I see why people can become upset over the way their favorite websites are ran.

                          [–]tyrroi 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Reddit is real life .. It's not fictional.

                          [–]modsrliars 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          It's a website.

                          In a multi million, if not billion dollar market.

                          And when there is money involved, there is corruption involved.

                          Your feigned shrinking violet act doesn't change that.

                          [–]viriconium_days 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          This "its not real because its on the internet" meme is ridiculous.

                          [–]joeyoh9292 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          It is definitely important.

                          Read this comment and the thread in which it's written and you might understand. Users who use a discussion forum to discuss issues and who post sources and who write well and who are probably what the site needs are the ones who get targeted for bans.

                          The more these mods can abuse power, the worse Reddit will become over time.

                          I find it hilarious when people blow this stuff out of proportion

                          So if you spent years on a hobby, accumulating lots of respect from the community you're in, you'd be perfectly fine with being exiled because a moderator for your community didn't like your opinions? Just because "it's a website", that doesn't mean it's not a hobby that people have sunk a lot of time into.

                          [–]binaryecho 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Twitter is a website too.

                          Something something Arab Spring.

                          [–]starryeyedq 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I'm convinced there are more male conspiracy theorists than women because it's more societally acceptable for women to watch shitty conspiracy and drama-filled soap opera shows, which leaves many men needing their "fix" somewhere else.

                          This dude needs a heavy dose of Gossip Girl or something...

                          [–]iknowthatiamright 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Holy shit get with the times. You can reiterate this is a website yet you need to understand the times we live in.

                          [–]Anon967432746 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          If you don't understand that controlling the narrative on a site of reddits magnitude is worth a lot of money then I think you don't understand the world we live in.

                          [–]Uberrancel 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Religion? It's a belief people? Why do some many people care about which omnipotent friend they have? I find it hilarious when people blow it out of proportion. I envision a bunch of five year olds blowing their toy games and battles out of proportion.

                          I'd take this time to say "Who the hell cares?" But turns out, most do. And that is hilarious.

                          Can you not make this argument about anything people care about? If most people care about something doesn't that make it important?

                          [–]hokie_high 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Agreed, but it's a HUGE website which has very well paid people in charge of it. The least people should expect is for them to do their job. Also remember the average comment or hates rich people.

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                            [–]Guck_Mal 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            not true at all. when I was a moderator of two very large very active subs i told on average 1 person per day that they were shadowbanned, and after regular checks on those accounts afterwards I'd say something like 70-80% of them were unbanned. Usually within a day of me notifying them.

                            [–]AnOnlineHandle 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            dude reddit has ZERO support.

                            I got a half dozen support replies from admins over an issue a few weeks ago.

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                              [–]kaesylvri 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Why not do something that produces results, instead?

                              [–]psychopathictend3ncy 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              what about the annoying useless bot?

                              [–]Max_Trollbot_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Hey!

                              Words can hurt you know.

                              jerkass

                              [–]vert_mike 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              video mentioned the numberwangbot account, which was indeed annoying. So I could see that account being banned easily.

                              [–]_beast__ 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              Can I ask you something I've always wanted to? It's about numberwangbot...

                              Why??

                              [–]oldandgreat 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

                              You have to ask more than one time. Second time i did i got a respond in less than a few hours

                              [–]blendt3 -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

                              Every day for 11 days so far. No response

                              [–]oldandgreat 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

                              Was it about a shadowban, or something else.

                              [–]blendt3 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              You tell me haha

                              [–]oldandgreat 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              Why? Is this your account you got shadowbanned? Or why did you messaged the admins? Cause your account isnt shadowbanned.

                              Or do you talk about an issue with another account?

                              [–]blendt3 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              I'm the guy who made the video lol, so my main account /u/blendt

                              [–]oldandgreat 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Oh man didnt notice that. I read that you wrote a bot which just posted, so to say, "spam". Is that correct? What you did with your first account who got banned exactly?

                              Remember you can only message the admins about an issue with a shadowban with the specific account.

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                                [–]onlysame1 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                cuz he had created a spamming bot

                                [–]Roboticide 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Yeah, if anything this seems to just indicate the system works excellently for blocking spammers.

                                [–]AbominableSnowmang 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Sounds like he made spam bots. Not sure why any of this is outrageous. I'd rather Reddit not be overrun with annoying bots, this helps that. When he first types in a username look at how many different accounts drop down.

                                [–]broadcasthenet 1ポイント2ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                It says so in the video. He created a shitty annoying bot and that bot got shadowbanned, then they just started banning all accounts from the same IP.

                                [–]blendt3 27ポイント28ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                Actually no, that bot was shadowbanned like 9 months ago and not even made by me. This ban took place about a week ago. I have reddit wiki logs of me editing the sub I modded at the time here: https://www.reddit.com/r/lockpicking/wiki/revisions/index as proof that it's been functional at least up until last month.

                                [–]RyanKinder 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                Wiki logs of a subreddit you modded isn't proof of an account not being shadowbanned. You can still moderate and approve your own comments in your own subreddit.

                                [–]blendt3 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                I have no other evidence other than my other moderators' words. Again because of reddit's system it's just a he said she said system. That's another thing I'm trying to address in the video.

                                [–]RyanKinder 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                I tried to find proof for you via google cache but the last time it saw your profile was mid May. So there's that, at least.

                                [–]mattgrande 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                When did you first log into that account? Could it be you were shadowbanned for logging into (multiple?) previously-shadowbanned accounts?

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                                    [–]ayyyyyyy-lmao 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    Does anyone know how this effects tor users?

                                    The tor browser has tried very hard to evade browser fingerprinting techniques and make each user indistinguishable, and there will often be many reddit users sharing the same exit node ip

                                    Could this cause a blanket shadow ban on thousands of tor users by reddit automatically flagging the tor browser bundle fingerprint and tor exit node ip addresses because of one guy getting shadow banned?

                                    [–]SplodeyDope 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Yep.

                                    [–]TURBOSLUT420 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Yes. I got anyone that logged in from my university library banned from reddit because I broke the rules and got IP banned.

                                    [–]quacainia 45ポイント46ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                    I feel like someone should point out that his incognito browser doesn't have a different IP, so it is probably a cookie thing and if you clear your cookies then maybe it would stop doing that.

                                    Just an aimless guess from watching a video though.

                                    [–]streuth_mate 159ポイント160ポイント  (81子コメント)

                                    You know what should really scare ? - I have had several accounts all well over 5 years, 100k karma etc - banned - OUTRIGHT.

                                    You know why ?

                                    Same reason this one will be banned.

                                    For revealing THIS.

                                    Reddit tracks all users across all accounts and profiles them into a single user account.

                                    So anyone who has a normal account and develops a THROW AWAY to reveal something secret about themselves is automatically linked back to that account.

                                    SO there is no throwaway, there is no secret accounts, second accounts - they are all linked.

                                    There - I said it - AGAIN - streuth_mate it was good knowing you - fare thee well.

                                    .

                                    [–]Isord 231ポイント232ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                    You don't use a throwaway to hide things from Reddit or the NSA. You use a throwaway to hide something from friends or family that know your primary account.

                                    You'd have to be a bit of a dunce to think that changing your screen name and posting from the exact same IP address is going to make you hidden from all prying eyes.

                                    [–]socsa 167ポイント168ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    Of course they do. Welcome to forum technology from 2004.

                                    [–]heroinhero 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Pretty sure every web server software since the beginning of the internet has had IP logging capabilities.

                                    [–]__CeilingCat 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    So they believe that everyone at the same IP address are the same person? In my case then my wife and myself are the same person, not a big deal, but what about schools where hundreds share the same address via NAT? One bad apple and the computer lab at UofM are all shadow banned. Doesn't make sense.

                                    [–]efstajas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    It's not black and white. I guess that if hundreds of accounts regularly post from the same IP, the system ignores that and probably also looks for what browsers are being used or uses cookies to distinguish two people posting from the same household.

                                    [–]Awkward-Bear 43ポイント44ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Revealing this? Mother fuck this has been the norm since like 2002.

                                    [–]BlatantConservative 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Still there as of 0613 EST

                                    [–]onlysame1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Cuz he really didnt reveal any "secret"

                                    [–]HowdyDoodlyDoo 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    The whole point of a throwaway is for when people know your main username.

                                    [–]Teh_Compass 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    Right? If I was going I post that I fap to Brazilian midget fart porn I would do it on a throwaway because I wouldn't want that seen on this account.

                                    If I didn't want it to be linked to me at all I would use a proxy, different browser, different PC, different physical location, whatever.

                                    Why would I care that the admins know those accounts are still me? They don't know me. They don't care about me. Half the things I say about myself probably aren't true.

                                    [–]Yyoumadbro 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    But boy that database showing the linked accounts would be a sweet little target for attackers.

                                    But i'm sure that Reddit won't get hacked. It's probably safe.

                                    cough Ashley Madison cough

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                                      [–]djetaine 68ポイント69ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      Lol, everyone knows this. All IP's are tracked on pretty much every website. This is not news and I highly doubt you were banned for revealing something that any forum user for the past 15 years has known. They can also read your private messages if they really wanted to . OH NOES!

                                      [–]complex_reduction 57ポイント58ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      lol

                                      [–]fat_genius 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      You act like this is a secret, but Reddit advertises this fact publicly

                                      When you create an account, you are required to provide a username and password, and may opt to provide an email address. We also log, and retain indefinitely, the IP address from which the account is initially created. Reddit privacy policy

                                      If you register multiple accounts from the same IP, they will be linkable. Don't bitch at Reddit because you clicked to agree without reading the policy.

                                      [–]a4ng3l 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      You guys in US have fixed IP only? All it take for me is to renew the lease with my ISP and it's gone. I would actually have to pay for a fixed IP :(

                                      [–]sarmatron 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      open your eyes sheeple

                                      [–]doomsday1216 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Did you really believe you could keep your data as a user separate from Reddit without explicitly trying to do so in an overly challenging way?

                                      You may be paranoid, but you're also certainly uninformed to boot.

                                      [–]NK___ 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      You can use a different browser + VPN or TOR if you really want a throwaway for something that could get you in trouble.

                                      [–]cisxuzuul 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Why not? They have your IP, they know who the throwaway goes back toward. If you do something stupid and that record needs to goto the FBI or your local investigation unit, they can track that IP through each and every router. If you are mobile, they can track it even further. While some of you want to make reddit a "free speech" hub, if you break the law or break Reddit's rules, they have the ability to know your logins by IP. If you're daft enough to be shocked at this, you're part of the fucking problem. And guess what? Voat can do the same fucking thing. Lololol

                                      [–]scodeth 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                      How did you find this out?

                                      [–]_stonecoldsaidso 18ポイント19ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                      It's common knowledge for anyone who didn't just discover the internet last summer.

                                      [–]IllusiveFoil 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      It's common knowledge for anyone who didn't just discover the internet last summer September.

                                      Eternally.

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                                        [–]dinosaurs_quietly 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Calm down and remove the tinfoil, you're not getting banned.

                                        You know what an IP address is right? No shit Reddit can link your accounts, every website can.

                                        [–]teapot112 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Dude. Thats not a revelation. Thats like..... common sense.

                                        And i can't even at your comment. Even Edward Snowden didn't acted like you did here and thats something.

                                        [–]Mista_Wong -3ポイント-2ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                        F

                                        [–]jinniu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        There is with a VPN.

                                        [–]imightbeacampbell 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Dude this is exactly what cookies are for. This isn't new.

                                        [–]damendred 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's joking no one is gonna overly dramatically 'reveal' something like this and talk about how he's gonna be banned if he was being serious.

                                        At least, that's what I like to believe.

                                        [–]_stonecoldsaidso 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        100k karma etc

                                        What a strange appeal to 'authority'.

                                        I'll have you know that my reddit account had 100k karma before being banned!

                                        [–]Sojourner_Truth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        It's called having an IP address. Are you new to technology?

                                        [–]the-incredible-ape 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        How is that actually possible though? If you log into each account from a different IP, private browser session, etc -(say via VPN) how could they know it's the same user?

                                        [–]gadget_uk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Use a VPN to create your throwaways.

                                        [–]TotesMessenger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I'm a bot, bleep, bloop. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit:

                                        If you follow any of the above links, please respect the rules of reddit and don't vote in the other threads. (Info / Contact)

                                        [–]OCtoHtown 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        This is the same person that wonders why they got fired for using the company laptop to search porn sites.

                                        [–]ColeSloth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        For is a pretty easy and free route. Even on a phone.

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                                          [–]PirateNinjaa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          If you did make the video I would say what the fuck were you thinking, just waving around the cursor like a jackass and not explaining what the duck is going on.

                                          [–]dirtymoney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I had to go OUTSIDE of r/lockpicking to an unrelated mod to get my posts there to show again when I found out I had been shadowbanned in that sub. Happened more than once. Very annoying. Seems the mods there are not very active. Or... they just ignored my PMs. And I am not a spammer. I contribute (a little bit to that sub), but my views on the hobby are a little more skewed than most who seek to keep lockpicking info out of the hands of all but those "worthy". Example is when I will help someone new to the sub pick/open/bypass a lock. Many denizens of that sub think that those people should not be helped because they may be thieves looking to bypass a lock they dont own. And many are VERY overzealous about it. So much so that they end up discouraging people from getting into the hobby. This kind of thing is VERY prevelant on the non-reddit lockpicking forums on the internet and I hate it like nothing else. Knowledge is meant to be free. Not kept for certain people and kept away from others. I came to the r/lockpicking subreddit to be rid of those assholes in those online forums because r/lockpicking was more liberal in its thinking, but over the years they have gotten worse (more assholish, untrusting and restrictive).

                                          [–]slapahoe3000 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Wow, after all the new CEOs talk about how users should NEVER be shadow banned

                                          [–]Cartossin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          That's a real shame. /r/lockpicking/ is a nice little subreddit.

                                          [–]unruly_peasants 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I gotta be honest, I'm glad he got banned.

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