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[–]Furikuri_flcl 67ポイント68ポイント  (3子コメント)

The more they funnel people out, the more they will need to add to what is considered offensive for it to serve its purpose, and their group will get smaller and smaller until no one is left.

Self defeating nonsense.

[–]Craptain 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yep. This kills the Reddit.

[–]GooberGobias 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

so we should celebrate this, then? From Voat?

[–]primalchaos 118ポイント119ポイント  (12子コメント)

How fucking dare they use Fred Roger's name. Every day, they aren't being the person he knew they could be. Hey, SJWs, this is what he had to say about trigger warnings and privilege:

"There is no normal life that is free of pain. It's the very wrestling with our problems that can be the impetus for our growth." - Fred Rogers

[–]staytaytay 24ポイント25ポイント  (7子コメント)

I think they a should have called it Fahrenheit

[–]Flaflufli 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

"Pain is itself a god: the taskmaster of life. Pain cracks the whip, and all that lives will move. To live is to be a slave to pain." - Vergere

[–]TuesdayRB"I'm pretty sure Wikipedia is a trap" 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

Matthew Stover is a genius.

[–]Flaflufli 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

That book was so star wars. It was a brilliant book in a weird hit and miss series. I feel like that book has the best understanding of what the force should be. That interpretation should be canon rather than the boring light and dark dichotomy. Would also give JJ Abrams a lot more creative freedom.

[–]SkyriderRJM 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which is why Lucas inevitably retconned all of it >:(

[–]SkyriderRJM 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

You have read Heroes Die, yes?

...please say "yes".

[–]TuesdayRB"I'm pretty sure Wikipedia is a trap" 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course.

(I even paid an exorbitant amount of money for a paperback copy of the out-of-print sequel in terrible condition.)

[–]SkyriderRJM 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The spine of my copy of Blade of Tyshalle is not in great shape...and I bought it brand new when it first came out...I've read it way too many times. I assume you know about Caine Black Knife and Caine's Law then. I dug up a 1st edition of Heroes Die (publisher review copy with the review card still in the book)...I hope still to have Matt sign it one day.

[–]RarelyReadReplies 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Since I can't think of anything clever, I open the floor to all of you to say what a more fitting name for the bot would be. I'm sure there are plenty of humorous and accurate alternatives, I'd love to hear some.

[–]Devidose 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is no normal life that is free of pain

Life is pain.

[–]supergtt 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is self correcting, user base will go away.

[–]CarCrashPregnancy 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's perfect. If all you do is live in an echo chamber, they'll just eat their own until it all collapses.

"We blocked everyone that disagrees with us....well, YOU DON'T BELIEVE HARD ENOUGH IN OUR IDEALS SHIT LORD"

[–]boommicfucker 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

This seems dumb. Bayes filters are good for detecting spam because in order to effectively spam you need to say certain words. They are trained by feeding them lots of known-positive and known-negative text examples so that they can work out probabilities for word combinations.

It's kinda stupid to expect such a system to be able to, somehow, understand more nuanced conversations though. The bot doesn't actually understand human language after all, it just looks at individual words and attaches scores to them. So irony will be lost on it, context will be lost on it and if they're really shitty quotations will be lost on it.

So things could go three ways: The bot alerts the moderators about everything that might be a positive, tiring them out to the point where they shut it down, the bot only sends out an alert if something is scoring very high, making its usefulness questionable or some idiot actually makes the bot do moderation on its own, leading to people working around it or leaving.

I'd just use a manually filled word list and a simple bot that sends out alerts based on it tbh.

[–]kaian-a-coel 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

So irony will be lost on it, context will be lost on it and if they're really shitty quotations will be lost on it.

Just like SJWs then. Perfect.

[–]aphoenix 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd just use a manually filled word list and a simple bot that sends out alerts based on it tbh.

That's what many moderators already do, and it's suboptimal. Sometimes it's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. This is an attempt for something better,

It should be noted that effective use of this will depend massively on the training that you give the bot, which is why they're trying to get large subreddits with lots of data on board. And the idea is that just using a word that trips a filter isn't always bad, so it's more about finding people being abusive than people just voicing dissent.

[–]AlseidesDD 94ポイント95ポイント  (27子コメント)

Haha, jokes on them... they'll need expert programmers and heuristics / data analysts for this; high-level technical savants that are anathemic to the SJW mindset.

[–]garbage_account656 50ポイント51ポイント  (11子コメント)

Er... have you seen the comments on tech-savvy places like Hacker News?

The field is full of sycophantic anti-social types who will do anything for positive attention.

Working in tech, I've seen more of these types of people than anywhere else in my life. Anyone who speaks out immediately gets dogpiled by psychopaths towing the line.

[–]AlseidesDD 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think you're describing social pressure and shaming tactics at work, like what happened with Matt Taylor and other accomplished professionals who get dogpiled on social media.

Of course, I won't deny that there are capable people who are also rabidly invested in the social justice ideology, but that would mean someone who is able to find the root cause of a critical program bug but unable to leverage this same analytical perception in determining the root cause social problems that SJWs tend to miss while they go about (demanding others to engage in) whitewashing the symptoms.

[–]garbage_account656 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

I actually fully agree with you in the root cause; these people are not stupid, and are just taking care of themselves and behaving in the way that they think will most benefit them.

It genuinely frightens me.

[–]silly_bird 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

To distil it further, they want to get laid, and they want work. If Nazi Germany had hot women and tech jobs, you could be damn sure they would be accepting that ideology as well.

[–]endomorphosis 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

the way that you would defeat a bot like this, is by using sattire because syntax is not enough, you also have to know the context. then when it will start to generate too many false positives, and will make the bot useless.

[–]skivianNap-Kin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Satire is still offensive, shit Lord.

[–]redbreadredemption 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

they have transcended white-knighting.

they are now chrome paladins.

[–]HINDBRAIN 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Er... have you seen the comments on tech-savvy places like Hacker News?

"tech-savvy"

[–]garbage_account656 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

K. You may not agree with some of the political views espoused in the comments because they are fucking ridiculous, but if you actually read Hacker News regularly, you will know that there is an incredible amount of technical talent in both the submission content and the comments.

Pretending that isn't accurate doesn't really help anyone.

[–]reversememe 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, the SJWs got into the tech conferences, got a few "empathy" talks in where everyone was saddled with guilt, about how this community that tends to work tirelessly for public benefit and accepts anyone who pulls their weight around is somehow intolerant and full of barriers.

Feed that to a bunch of privileged tech workers who see the effects of wealth concentration around them every day, who still find it hard to pay rent in their overpriced tech mecca, and you give them an easy way to try to atone for the sins of the world.

[–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are tech savvy people on HN to be sure, but their voices are drowned out by the "idea guys" and the "startup douchebags". Plus there's a clique of SJW feminazis that goes around shitting up threads for wrong-think.

I used to love HN and had all but abandoned Reddit, but HN has gone really, really downhill. The people technically qualified to produce the software in question are the minority on there.

[–]NixonForBreadsident 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

tech-savvy places like Hacker News?

  • Tech-savvy
  • Hacker News

Pick ONE.

[–]Dyalibya 32ポイント33ポイント  (2子コメント)

high-level technical savants that are anathemic to the SJW mindset.

You're too optimistic

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed. Not to mention, money.

[–]Selfweaver 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe he is but I do know that there is a bunch of really, really, really good coders of the old no-censorship school. They may be leftists, but they are the old style no-censorship leftists.

That said the bot can be made to work on a subreddit specific level, meaning it learns what is okay in a given subreddit and what is not. I can't see the problem with that, as mods always have had that power.

[–]FrinkleMcDoo 45ポイント46ポイント  (2子コメント)

So in other words... it'll be as effective and accurate as ggautoblocker? As in lots of false positives and false negatives? Because that's what I'm pretty sure will happen.

[–]AlseidesDD 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

If it even gets built.

...that or they purchase a pre-fabricated package and tweak it, or pay top-dollar for the expertise to develop it for them.

[–]Selfweaver 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It looks like it has already been built and now just need training (then again a bayesian filter isn't that difficult to make, finding the data is the though part).

[–]MazInger-Z 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah, there's a subset that are smart, but lacking in any social graces, that will follow Airport's Law in this.

[–]ClitInstantWoodThe Bear GG 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

People seems to forget that all of the most notorious SJW might not know anything past how to send a email but they have hordes of beta and omega fedora-tippers white knights with plenty knowledge who will do anything they ask.

[–]Katallaxis 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd call them the Fem'Hadar.

[–]NoGardE 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Unfortunately, neural networks and self-generated deciders are among the simplest topics in AI, and easiest to implement.

[–]Selfweaver 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Python probably has one built-in.

[–]Esyir 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not entirely. There are precompiled libraries capable of letting a clueless and overly arrogant undergrad crank out a text classification system in a month.

[–]Wraith978 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd love to see the code this thing is running. It's probably a shit show that'll either give a ton of false positives or miss things.

Maybe I'm wrong and the person knows what they're doing though.

[–]urection 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

ya Randi Harper's stone-knives-and-bearskins blockbot represents the pinnacle of SJW technology, no matter how much dudes with pink hair blog about Haskell or whatever

[–]MyLittleFedora 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

FUCKING STEMLORD BROGRAMMERS!!! /s

[–]FrinkleMcDoo 37ポイント38ポイント  (11子コメント)

That's scary. The MrRogersBot will basically not only allow Powermods to eliminate anyone who they don't like, but they basically can just rest on their laurels and be completely lazy assholes if the bot does all their work for them.

Hell, I could imagine them automatically banning anyone who complains about the bot after they ban a single complaint.

[–]woodlark14 14ポイント15ポイント  (10子コメント)

Or worse they could have it check comment history and ban based on that.

[–]FrinkleMcDoo 10ポイント11ポイント  (9子コメント)

Easy way around that is alts. Reserve one set of alts for "banworthy" subs like KiA, and keep your political opinions on there, use your other alts for regular subs.

[–]RicePaddySquatter 14ポイント15ポイント  (8子コメント)

Or, you know, as a community, build something better than reddit where no one has to worry about that. A place where admins won't just ban people they disagree with, a place where free exchange isn't just a talking point, but a reality.

I can't imagine we couldn't put together a team of programmers from within this sub to build something better than Reddit or Voat.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Voat's biggest problem is that it's being targeted by adversaries with a lot of skill and money. Besides the DDoS, they're literally looking for vulnerabilities to exploit. The attacks against Voat would have brought down most sites. It's pretty impressive that they're still functional, though closed to new registrations temporarily.

[–]_pulsar 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

They'll soon sign up for that site and/or do whatever possible to sabotage its growth. (see voat)

It isn't enough to just go somewhere else. They want everyone to conform.

[–]FoxyKit 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

The site you're describing is 8chan.

[–]todiwan 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's a chan. Any hope of discussion with people who don't act like idiots for teh lulz is gone, unless you use specific boards.

[–]FoxyKit 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Similar things are said of reddit. Each community has it's moments.

[–]todiwan 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, yeah, but it's not even close to the same. All chans encourage the same attitude - being a dick and acting like an idiot, even when bringing good ideas to the table. I grew out of the idea of digging through walls of memes and insults to get to the interesting and valid ideas.

[–]FoxyKit 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

No reason you can't attend both. On a chan, an idea typically stands on it's merits, being posted typically without even a pseudonymous handle. There's value there.

[–]todiwan 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same with communities like KIA. I don't even look at usernames, most people don't, I think.

I was on chans for so many years and I'm just done with it, but I see value in it.

[–]Lugash 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

I swear to God, if we've been literally fighting for the survival of the human race this whole time, I will be saying "I told you so" for multiple lifetimes.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

And all I wanted to do was play some vidya.

[–]chronoDynamic 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Careful, or the vidya will be playing you. :^)

[–]a-wicked-dougie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

dark souls plays you, everybody like it

[–]DanteFTW 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

maybe we should make one that tells people about voat.

[–]dcro123 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

I bet the word "voat" is gonna be one of the first ones to go on the list.

[–]Selfweaver 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bayesian spam is not robust against synonyms. Just refer to it as the v site, v alternative, etc.

They will have to train the bot continously, but that means it can be poisoned.

[–]RangerSix 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I second this motion. All those in favor?

[–]CyberneticMoistMeat 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Only if we can make the bots fight.

[–]RangerSix 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Battlebots? Hell yeah!

[–]Why-so-delirious 11ポイント12ポイント  (11子コメント)

The moment they perfect this bot and implement it is the moment their world burns down around them. Imagine the field day channers would have if they found out sjw fuckwits were employing bots like this.

I'd give it a day, two tops, before they find a way to completely break their new toy.

[–]terfwarz 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

This is ignorance in its finest. The method this bot deploys is through using a human-trained dataset to score comments and classify them, the only way to circumvent this bot would be to do, basically, what the chinese had to do in mao times: use doublespeak.

[–]kommissar_chaR 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

or just use different ascii characters that look similar to what you want to say. bot wouldn't pick up on it and there are thousands of characters to rotate with.

[–]vintermann 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hah. Even the state of the art (which these people are no way at), systems are not robust against an active attacker. Check this one out: http://www.evolvingai.org/fooling

[–]aphoenix 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What do you think Deep Neural Networks have to do with simple Bayesian Filtering?

[–]vintermann 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those are so easy to fool, even a spammer can do it.

Btw, you wanted a system that could distinguish between "this guy called me a bad word" and "you're a bad word". If you're using a naive Bayes classifier, it's never going to learn that no matter how much training data you throw at it.

[–]Why-so-delirious 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Your comment is ignorance at it's finest.

There a whole lot more ways to fool a computer program than just using doublespeak.

[–]87612446F7 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

ignorance at it's finest

the ironing

[–]terfwarz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your ignorance is example par excellence. The bot deploys a probabilistic machine learning technique with human feedback. it is being trained by a human changes a lot of things. switching ascii to utf character set can easily be blocked, changing the meaning of words that moderators themselves cannot.

[–]Selfweaver 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No. What you want to do is post some double plus-good sjw approved comments and use a couple of very specific words. Then you write a comment with the truth using some of these words and synonyms for the words it is likely to filter.

The bot will see that these are good comments, because they get a low score on bad words and high score on good words.

Or as I put it: live by AI, get fooled by slightly sneakier humans.

[–]Ugion 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Since it's user generated it can be clogged with garbage data very easily, I predict a spike in reports when 8chan finds out.

[–]Ponsari[🍰] 5ポイント6ポイント  (15子コメント)

Wtf? Pokemon ROM hacks? Why?

EDIT: I meant why is it on the list, not why do they exist, although... :P

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (14子コメント)

The most surprising entry for me is /r/fatlogic, which was part of the /r/FatPeopleHate network before the Fattening. Some members of the network are gone, some remain, they lost a lot of their regular users to Voat (because it allows a /v/FatPeopleHate) but I'd never imagine in a thousand years that one of their subs would move over to the dark side.

[–]Fletch71011 24ポイント25ポイント  (11子コメント)

Fatlogic mod here. We are testing it out right now. It's not as evil or crazy as you think. We don't let it do anything without a human mod checking it. Here's my quote on what we are using it for right now:

We see everything it does. There was some anti-Semitism and stuff it has picked up that we would have missed. This isn't a sub for racism and we will always remove and ban those users that bring that. We are not 100% set on the bot but so far it has really only been helpful. If it starts hitting false positives or removing any kind of opinion (even ones we disagree with), we will no longer use the bot. If you're not a racist asshole, I doubt the bot will affect you at all.

It's also more relaxed than AutoModerator (at least so far). I could set AutoModerator to automatically remove any instance of racial slurs but context matters here -- they're not always used in a hateful way (for example, if someone was telling a story where they were called a slur, I wouldn't want that post removed). MrRogersBot gets around this a bit more but I don't think I'd ever be comfortable with him just running in the background without us to double check. I have everything AutoModerator does send a notification because he's not always right and neither will MrRogersBot.

Also, we were not part of the FPH network. FPH started as a joke by /u/MCPROFK (deleted his account last year) because FPS had a joke line in their toolbar saying "this is not /r/fatpeoplehate". When MCPROFK was running it, it was a bit more of a lighthearted joke poking fun at the fat subreddits. After he left, it blew up and became a scary thing for Reddit admins to handle as it was much more hateful and powerful. They hated fatlogic because we were "filled with self-hating fatties" and we didn't want an outright hate group.

As for the mods being SJWs or whatever, I get called an SJW just as much as I get called an asshole or Hitler or something along those lines. Peruse my history if you want to get a feel for how I participate here but I really am pretty apathetic to be honest.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

Upvoted for relevant and extensive info.

[–]Fletch71011 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'll answer any other questions you guys have as best as I could but honestly I never even thought twice about this being a SJW tool or anything. Mostly we use it to send us messages about users getting in fights.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

The technology is not innately SJW (similar systems are used to filter for spam, etc.) but you can be sure that this instance's communal data corpus will be populated with anti-SJW data, and anyone who uses it will be censoring anti-SJW speech.

[–]Fletch71011 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not really familiar with what you guys do at KiA now but if it ever starts censoring opinions or anything, I'll put a stop to it at my sub. I know the guy that made it too and I don't think it's malicious -- he's just filling a large gap in the mod tools we are always promised but never get.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We started out investigating corruption at one game journalism site (Kotaku), quickly found that all the mainstream game journalism sites were colluding, then found that some mainstream journalism sites were also colluding, also an academic association called DiGRA, the SPLC, and a bunch of other organizations, all to push the SJW agenda and silence dissent.

It's like a bad thriller, but it's real.

[–]Selfweaver 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The communal data corpus will probably be useless for any individual sub, meaning each of them has to retrain it.

I really don't see a problem here, but if it turns out there is one we will work around it.

[–]HighVoltLowWatt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for the perspective. Hope the tool helps.

[–]a-wicked-dougie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

maybe the fatlogic mods wish to interfere with the bot? that would certainly be a good sub to feed it conflicting info

[–]Darkling5499 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

i doubt the fatlogic post was serious. also, it's not like the poster is the top mod of fatlogic or anything. s/he'd have to get approval before letting that bot loose on the sub.

[–]chaku89 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

It will be fun when it starts to ban SJW's because they are one of the most harrassing and vile people i saw on the internet. But i guess in the name of justice you are allowed to do anything.

[–]Xertious 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Keywords will probably be whitelisted

[–]IAMPOUNDCAKE 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the most offensive part of this is that Mr. Rogers wouldn't approve of this.

[–]TheAppleFreak 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know, it isn't exactly secret. I can't link it because of Rule 4, but the top thread on /r/ModClub (fully public) details the bot, and there's a fully public sub over at /r/HelloNeighbor with more information about it.

[–]Kiyanavasala 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

So how can we fuck with its programming? Make posts that are 99% the sort of post Ghazi would say, only to make the last 1% utter toxic bullshit so it attributes the former to the latter?

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure, that's one way. Spammers do that sometimes. It's called padding. Pad it with innocent text (say, children's stories) so the bot doesn't pick up on it. But SJW snitches will probably notice what you're doing, they'll report you, and the mods will ban you for it, even though posting children's stories at the bottom of your comment violates no rules on any sub.

[–]gingerblades 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Normally i would support bowing before our mechanical overlords, but i wont for this one

[–]matthewhaleSurvived #GGinDC 2015 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great find.

[–]JRBelmont[🍰] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jesus christ THIS IS HOW WE KNOW YOU FUCKERS AREN'T REAL NERDS! If you were then you'd fucking know why this is a BAD IDEA.

[–]Sinistar_Lives 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure this will work as well as their blocklist.

[–]Doomskander 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can't make this shit up

SJW skynet my fucking sides

[–]GunnerGold 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

New #ModTalkLeaks exposes SJW powermods as building a literal Skynet

Couldn't you make your point without using laughable hyperbolic title? FFS

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

[–]Manasongs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This shit is not gonna be simple to do, moderating peoples comments automatically is extremely complex, if the mods fuck up expect a LOT of false positives. I don't really think sjw's have the competence to run a tool like this.

[–]katsuya_kaiba 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Slacktivism has leveled up.

[–]parlor_tricks 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol. This is the natural progression of engineering vs a "problem."

It will move towards a solution. Until the solution kills the engineer.

[–]Tsar_Moose 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course r/dragonage would want to use it.

[–]GGsockpuppet 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is the most cringy topic name I've read to date

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I admit to a rhetorical flourish in the first sentence of the title, but I resolve any potential ambiguity right there in the second sentence, so it's not clickbait.

[–]GGsockpuppet 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is a big deal and we should probably fight IRL over it

[–]a_sticky_heresy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

1v1 me on minecraft u cunt an well see whose boss

[–]peenoid 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do they really think this will work? The amount of self-delusion is staggering.

It's like they don't realize if they actually got that bot to work properly they could sell it to Google for like, oh I don't know, five billion dollars?

[–]FiestaTortuga 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I, for one, applaud this.

The faster these people wall themselves off from reality so we don't have to deal with them, the better.

Personally, I'd like to see a bot that does nothing but flag anyone who uses MrRogersBot as an idiot.

[–]aphoenix 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

I think that you've gone a little bit off the deep end with your title here, and then with the content as well. You've completely misinterpreted the comments that you posted as well.

This is a pretty silly "leak" since this is a public bot with its own subreddit and many public affiliations. I don't really understand what modtalk has to do with anything, since it's posted lots of places.

It's also not a SJW bot, and it's not about finding "dissent", though I guess you could train it to find dissent if dissent is really Bayes filterable and that's what you trained it for. I'm considering using this bot on /r/wow because right now we have a bunch of filters for terms that are typically used in nonconstructive flaming (homophobic and racist slurs for example). These get automatically filtered out by Automoderator. This means that if someone is talking about their experience in the game and that someone called them a homophobic slur, if they use that slur, it gets removed. So we've updated our rules to just say "don't use slurs, don't quote slurs and attribute them to someone else". But that sucks, because it's at least partially putting your head in the sand going "na na na I can't hear you" and trying to whitewash a bunch of things. Then if someone wants to tell their story about this time someone called them a homophobic slur, they have to choose their words carefully (much like I'm doing now, since I don't like using such terms, but you get what I mean).

That's kind of bullshitty, if you ask me. As much as I dislike the terms, I don't necessarily want to just pretend that the terms don't exists. There are reasonable ways they can be used in conversation.

So what the bot does in theory is let us train it so that if someone says, "this guy called me a f%&&$t" in a meaningful story, we can allow that, but if someone else says, "you are a f%&&$t" to someone it doesn't get allowed. On top of that, it'll only have as much power as someone gives it, so unless you really trust your training, it's only reporting stuff and either adding to or reading the modqueue.

It's kind of funny to see this kind of reactionary, feels-based assessment of the bot, when most of the people who want to use it are doing it because just straight up banning words is pretty dumb, and they actually want to use bayesian filtering to try to find abuse, and let ideas and opinions through, since right now abuse and opinions both are getting chucked out by automoderator.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (8子コメント)

we have a bunch of filters for terms that are typically used in nonconstructive flaming (homophobic and racist slurs for example)

Found the SJW.

[–]aphoenix 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

that's what you took out of this? Lol.

I am now convinced that you are more into fomenting discord than learning anything about the stuff you are reporting on.

Edit: By this logic /r/KotakuInAction must be moderated by SJWs because of the whole "Don't be a dickwolf" thing.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's an intention-focused call, not word-focused.

We call each other niggerfaggots all the time, for example. It's fine.

[–]aphoenix 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

And I have no problem with that. People in 4chan also do it all the time. I don't give the remotest shit about it; I would never try to stop you from doing so.

In my subreddit, /r/wow , which is a different subreddit and isn't this subreddit and has actually entirely different people in it, we have found that 99% of the time, when people use racist or homophobic terms, they are attacking someone. So while you have a group that understands your satirical use of language and uses it in friendly ways with each other, we fucking don't, so we filter based on language because it's an indicator that people are being dickwolves.

Of course, the problem is that I just said that there is 1% of the time when it's not being used to attack someone. Those get thrown out as well.

The entire reasoning behind creating the bot is so that 1% that are okay gets separated from the 99% that's not.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Moderate your community strictly assuming there is community approval for it, but SJWs are known for forcefully pushing their own strict moderation systems into communities where they are unsolicited or unwelcome. I suspect this bot to be a part of such a campaign, especially the common filters. I suspect they hope to draw in mods with promises of easy moderation and slip in political-correctness-based censorship through the common filters without full disclosure.

[–]aphoenix 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Most of the opposition is in the form of dickwolfery such as people telling me my family should die in front of me because they can't say "faggot". From this, I deduce that they're stupid assholes, and I could not possibly care less about their opinion on the matter.

Since we've implemented our "no homophobia / racism / sexism / hate based commentary" rules (almost four years ago), we've had maybe three people reasonably come out in favour of being able to use language like this, hundreds of people unable to string together a reasonable sentence about it, and thousands of people who are in vocally in favour of it.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So you don't expect the thousands in favor to form coherent arguments, but expect the hundreds against to? That doesn't sound very fair at all.

Also, holding people's inability to form coherent arguments against the validity of their convictions is ableist and classist. They might be unintelligent and/or undereducated through no fault of their own.

Finally, when someone says they want to use profanity, and you refuse to take them at their word, you are denying their lived experience.

[–]aphoenix 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So you don't expect the thousands in favor to form coherent arguments, but expect the hundreds against to?

[Citation required] Where did you get this idea from?

holding people's inability to form coherent arguments against the validity of their convictions is ableist and classist.

I'm not being classist or ableist; I'm merely asking for people to have discourse on the topic. Most of the time, it's "kill urself SJW fgt" instead of "This is unfair because [reasons]." I'd be happy with "i dont liek this cuz [raisons]". I don't care how they write on the topic, as long as it's on the topic instead of offtopic.

when someone says they want to use profanity, and you refuse to take them at their word, you are denying their lived experience.

Wait, who is the SJW here? This statement has me really confused about it. Because I thought it was supposed to be me, but now I think it's you.

Anyways, "cussing" is explicitly allowed. You just can't be abusive to other people. Again, this is what the bot that you brought up is trying to find - a way to distinguish between normal cussing and people being abusive dickwolves.

It would be awesome if, in the next response, you apply the Principle of Charity instead of the principle of trying to dissect word meanings to make arguments up out of nothing.

In philosophy and rhetoric, the principle of charity requires interpreting a speaker's statements to be rational and, in the case of any argument, considering its best, strongest possible interpretation.

Charity would mean that you can implicitly understand that your first paragraph is meaningless in the context of this discussion. It's rational to believe that I expect cogent coherent thought from everyone. Edit: my autocorrect put cogent when I meant coherent. I don't really expect cogent arguments from everyone. I wish for it, but don't expect it.

[–]PerfectHair 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lotta spaghetti spilled, OP.

[–]Xertious 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So you say we'll be triggering that bot-kin.

[–]wowww_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair G/O Trade probably needs something like that lol.

[–]SmokratezTrue Hero - /r/KLA -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

All subs I have tagged as being cancer. What are the odds?

[–]CaptainMoltar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They'd need to actually be competent at something other than stalking and harassing people out of their livelihoods.

[–]Fenrir007[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The bot wars is one of the reasons why I completely despise reddit.

[–]Grape_Monkey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Another nice little rock to pave the road to hell.

[–]PassionPitTime 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wha-? not the romhacks! They seriously aren't gonna ban cringe and cringepics? for harassment? Do they not want to double down?

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You misunderstand. These subreddits are testing or considering the bot for their own, in-subreddit use.

[–]aceofspades14 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely disgusting. They really do want to turn the world into an Orwellian nightmare.

[–]silly_bird 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

25k subs is the min to join that sub, how about it mods, want to test how hypocritical they are?

[–]wargarurumon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes calling a bot that will ban people based on non compliant behavior after mr rogers, how not creepy at all

[–]wickedplayer494 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well that serves me right for not looking through an already clogged GOTrade modmail in its entirety...

That said, GOTrade does have people that flame each other, and we don't hesitate to eliminate them. I will keep a very close eye on this thing, and if it shows any sign of defiance, I won't hesitate to nuke from orbit.

[–]There_are_others 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay, at first I was wondering what the big deal is. Riot has implemented a learning algorithm to help with their community moderation, and it's been wildly successful.

Then I looked at the implementation details. It's a Bayesian analysis engine. Old tech that doesn't work very well. While Riot hasn't laid out a lot of specifics about how their system works, it's supposedly a deep learning algorithm. Deep learning is so many generations beyond Bayesian analysis that it's almost an insult to mention them together.

MrRogersBot is not new, or innovative. It's been attempted in community moderation before, and it never really works all that well.

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]brendanmint[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

And the SJWs yet again prove their primary goal is to ruin all things good in the world by naming a shitty bot after the nicest and most caring man in the world. Which is surprising, I mean, they know Fred Rogers was a cis-white male right?

[–]distant_worlds -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Did you even click that link? It's a giant low-res image that is entirely unreadable.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

You're on a phone, aren't you. The image is huge. Either zoom and pan or try it on a computer.

[–]distant_worlds -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's 500 x 1333 with tiny text. It is unreadable on a high res monitor.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which one is that? I'll fix it.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Must have been the first one. Fixed. Thanks for the heads up.