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PSA: MODs are shadow banning on-topic Bitcoin articles that don't fit their agenda. (self.Bitcoin)

crypt0chain が 投稿

I care deeply about Bitcoin and the community.

I came across this article today from the International Business Times entitled "Bitcoin's smart sibling Ethereum is 'the only game in town' for banks to build blockchains "

Naturally, I was concerned. If there is a serious competitor to Bitcoin, I think the community should know about it, and we should take action to improve Bitcoin so that it won't be replaced by some 'Bitcoin 2.0' system.

So, I made this post to bring attention to the community: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3er88y/bitcoins_smart_sibling_ethereum_is_the_only_game/

Then, I found out that it was shadown-banned by /u/frankenmint. I messaged him to ask why and he said "It's off topic". I did a CTRL-F and lo and behold Bitcoin is mentioned in the article at least 12 times.

How is an article that mentions Bitcoin 12 times considered off-topic? How is an article that talks about Banks using blockchain technology that might be better than Bitcoin's off topic?

To me this is nothing short of censorship, and hiding potential threats away from the community so that we can't discuss them and improve Bitcoin.

If we want to stick our heads in the sand and ignore everything else than we're no better than the Bankers who were ignoring Bitcoin in 2011. We need to be aware of potential risks to Bitcoin and we need to be able to adapt and solve problems as a community. Banning stories we don't like is nothing more than censorship and harmful to the community.

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[–]throwthecan 20ポイント21ポイント  (10子コメント)

Good, I expect them to remove ethereum pumps.

You can post it in /r/ethereum where it belongs.

[–]frankenmint[M] 29ポイント30ポイント  (26子コメント)

That's fine. I /u/frankenmint completely agree that you should post this and my reply publicly.. Bitcoin is mentioned 11 times because it is the easiest corollary reference to explain 'what' ethereum is. You can't talk about ethereum without explaining what bitcoin is. Could you, state precisely, WHY bitcoin is threatened by Ethereum? If anything I think it could be bolstered by it - you can't purchase Ether without using BTC.

I took the time to read the article. Its an op-ed style announcement (and a lousy one at that) piece talking about Ethereum - nothing about new developments or the release of Frontier or NEW features like the potential ether browser or update about GETH. Its a mere OP-ED introducing the reader to etherereum. So please, explain to me why exactly does THIS article deserve to be on /r/bitcoin as opposed to, say, /r/cryptocurrency or /r/ethereum??? I saw your post got swept up by automoderator so I've approved it. I'm all for public conversation about this and will also post this reply there shortly.

[–]throwthecan 23ポイント24ポイント  (15子コメント)

So please, explain to me why exactly does THIS article deserve to be on /r/bitcoin as opposed to, say,/r/cryptocurrency or /r/ethereum???

The number 1 place to pump their schemes is bitcoin forums.

[–]blueknight02 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Bottom line is this; If the community did not want to see it, they would downvote it. I understand where both parties are coming from but the entire point of reddit is to allow a community to decide what is discussed and what is not.

[–]frankenmint 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then this place just becomes /r/CryptoCurrency - how is that any better?

[–]Plesk8 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

^

[–]crypt0chain[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

Could you, state precisely, WHY bitcoin is threatened by Ethereum?

It has a built-in turing complete scripting language.

If anything I think it could be bolstered by it - you can't purchase Ether without using BTC.

If people are selling BTC to buy ETH, that means ETH market cap will grow quickly... and then the next natural step is for major exchanges to adding direct FIAT<->Ether trading. Your statement is very short sighted.

So please, explain to me why exactly does THIS article deserve to be on /r/bitcoin as opposed to, say, /r/cryptocurrency or /r/ethereum???

Sure thing. The article was published by a major, reputable, financial news source that is read by thousands of people; and it mentions Bitcoin 12 times. That at the very least should qualify it for an honest up/down vote by the community. For a mod to step in and ban something that clearly qualifies as an on-topic post is censorship. This wasn't some random blog post, this is the International Business Times -- a paper that is read by major financial institution CEOs every day. Shouldn't we be concerned that they're seeing all this positive press about Ethereum? Maybe ... just maybe, its something that the Bitcoin community should take note of and generate an honest discussion about.

[–]frankenmint 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

If people are selling BTC to buy ETH, that means ETH market cap will grow quickly... and then the next natural step is for major exchanges to adding direct FIAT<->Ether trading. Your statement is very short sighted.

Sure...but I disagree...it will become 'the next wild wild west' alt to use as a hedge against btc. I say this because we saw this happen before with both primecoin and now with ripple on Cryptsy. Just because an alt-coin has the ability to eventually be traded for fiat, doesn't make a difference that the article you post has nothing to do with bitcoin explicitly. Implicitly it has to do with bitcoin users - There is a 100% certainty that if you use Ether, you've heard of Bitcoin and/or use Bitcoin - not the other way around >>> hence the reference to Bitcoin in the article. Bitcoin is used as a bridge to help users better grasp what smart contracts are all about.

The article was published by a major, reputable, financial news source that is read by thousands of people;

Just like this? Or maybe you mean just like this? Or worse - EVEN THIS. By being concerned for the positive press about Ether...good for them! I'm glad they have yet another op-ed piece. You're right - the cryptocurrency community should discuss ethereum - That doesn't mean that its a big topic to discuss in /r/bitcoin.

[–]crypt0chain[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

When IBM and Samsung fork other altcoins into their products, then you can compare Ethereum to them.

That doesn't mean that its a big topic to discuss in /r/bitcoin.

Any serious potential threat to Bitcoin is on topic and should be discussed in /r/Bitcoin. Anyway, this post is about power-hungry mods wanting to decide what's good for the 170,000 community members here. You're being downvoted and this post is being upvoted, so I think the consensus here is that the community wants to decide what is on-topic and what is off-topic. If you would like to continue being a moderator of this subreddit then you should listen to the community you are supposed to be serving.

[–]Natanael_L 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Counterparty does too. Inside Bitcoin.

[–]crypt0chain[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Counterparty is a meta layer that by design can never work with SPV nodes.

[–]Natanael_L 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

How does ethereum handle SPV?

[–]sQtWLgK 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just like in Bitcoin: by trusting that the longest chain is also the correct one, i.e., that miners and other full nodes have validated the transactions/contracts.

This cannot work with Counterparty because Bitcoin miners do not verify the Counterparty rules.

[–]pb1x 13ポイント14ポイント  (12子コメント)

I reported it because it doesn't fit the sub and it violates the posted rules. I don't know what agenda you think the mods are serving, but if anything they are too lenient with all the crap that people submit.

/r/bitcoin shouldn't promote scams / altcoins - if you want to post an article pumping Ethereum, do it in /r/ethereum or /r/cryptocurrency where they allow it

[–]GreyBooth 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think the real answer here is some of the people here are afraid of new technology disrupting the legacy bitcoin system in place currently. If it mentions and discusses something bitcoin and bitcoin-related I see no reason not to discuss it.

[–]pb1x 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ethereum makes no sense, it's technology for technology's sake. Notice when anyone talks about it they don't talk in use cases they talk in buzzwords like smart contracts and block chains and decentralized. Bitcoin has a clear use case anyone can understand: it's money.

I'm a programmer, I'd love a decentralized platform: what they are building is not it. It's fairy dust just like Maidsafe.

The reason this stuff is not working is they are trying to make it sound amazing and make everything from scratch instead of building on stable foundations in baby steps. Maidsafe also raised millions of dollars to do the same thing, also years in development with nothing to show for it. Storj same deal

When sidechains come out and people can have currency mechanics without the minting problem, hopefully it will be more painfully clear why people really launch these projects: to pump and dump new altcoins

[–]NotHyplon 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

/r/bitcoin shouldn't promote scams

Coming from someone who constantly jumps to Purse.IO's defense that is comedy gold.

[–]pb1x 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I had some evidence of scams beyond one or two cases of possible malfeasance among thousands, or if I hadn't used it myself without issue? You might provide some evidence of this supposed scam instead of just libeling them.

[–]Introshine 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is strange.... I think Ethereum is not a "replacement" at all for Bitcoin (digital gold).

[–]CryptoJunky 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well you're always welcome to post and discuss in /r/cryptocurrency as well!

[–]G1lius 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's clearly not a "bitcoin article", but an ethereum article.

That said, I wouldn't mind it being here, but you can't blame the mods for removing it. Every single article about any of the 500+ alt-coins out there is going to mention bitcoin, so that's no excuse to post it.

The community doesn't solve problems (at least the reddit community doesn't), it's the developers that do. There's no-one who wrote a single line of code in bitcoin that's alive today and doesn't know what ethereum is or does.

[–]NotHyplon 8ポイント9ポイント  (28子コメント)

Then, I found out that it was shadown-banned by /u/frankenmint [2] . I messaged him to ask why and he said "It's off topic". I did a CTRL-F and lo and behold Bitcoin is mentioned in the article at least 12 times.

Where as an article about the former finance minister of Greece's back up plan that makes no mention or hint to bitcoin at all is upvoted to the front page...

[–]frankenmint -5ポイント-4ポイント  (27子コメント)

It was removed - I approved it because there had already been more than 55 comments on it when it was in the filter - I'm not going to remove posts that have generated many comments and replies related to BTC discussion - sometimes they begin off topic and the comments are relevant - makes no sense to remove all those comments that are relevant just because the initial message was not relevant. Sure, you could turn around and tell me the same thing about this example - I told the OP to re-post his thread on /r/CryptoCurrency or /r/ethereum. Lets face it: is this truly a serious threat to BTC? This article has information that's more than a year old. Shouldn't we have had this discussion ... I dont know ... circa Feb. 2014-ish?

Here's what I think is going on: OP found an article that gives Ethereum a glowing reference and also happens to talk about 'why ethereum is better'. We remove it - because at the end of the day this is a bitcoin subreddit and is in place for bitcoin related discussion. I removed it, so now the OP is highly upset. From his or her point of view I'm trying to keep everyone in the dark. Like there is some vital information on this article that explains that there is a major shortcoming in BTC that Ether can solve - but it doesnt. it talks about why bitcoin 'could never handle smart contracts' and that is why Ether was made....which is why I dubbed it an 'op-ed' with nothing directly to do with Bitcoin.

[–]rydan 3ポイント4ポイント  (11子コメント)

You should allow such articles. The people here aren't sheep that can't think for themselves. Bitcoin needs to be able to stand up to criticism. It sounds like maybe it can't. If that's the case then I don't blame you for taking these actions.

[–]frankenmint 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

Nice try with the manipulation speak - Bitcoin is a protocol, it doesn't have emotions. My decisions to remove an off topic article reflect NOTHING in terms of the Bitcoin's ability to hold utility as a peer to peer electronic currency. It doesn't care what alts or forks are made.

Tell me, that beyond a reasonable doubt that the article I link to at the end of this message DOES NOT break rule 3 rule 4 of the community guidelines sidebar to the right.

/u/crypt0chain has free reign to post this in more than two alternative subreddits ... but not here, We have rules, follow them or leave. By the way, there's no criticisms from anyone. I'm merely removing a link to an off topic article -> this article.

I like how you use the drama-esque "If that's the case then I don't blame you" <<< No offense Rydan, but to me, you're like the equivalent of this guy.

[–]2ndEntropy 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Bitcoin is a protocol, it doesn't have emotions.

You seem to be forgetting that bitcoin is a community of people that has influance over what bitcoin ultimately is. By deciding what article you think is relevant to us you are influencing our emotions, how we think about bitcoin, and the risks that are associated with it. Just because you don't think its a Ethereum is a risk that needs to be considered doesn't mean other people wont perceive it that way.

Edit: Spelling and gramma

[–]redfacedquark 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Are you proposing no mods? Because that's an /r/Bitcoin that would drive me mad.

[–]2ndEntropy 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Not at all. They should stick to the rules that they have put in place. If an article contains the word cryptocurrency or bitcoin anywhere in the main body of text, it should not be removed, there needs to be some policing but should not be subject to the mods opinion.

Rule #3 is actually the best rule but it is broken far too often on this sub. Rule #4 needs to be revised.

[–]AgrajagPrime 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've said this all over reddit, but there should be a tab at the top of each sub called "removed" where things which have been deleted by the mods can be seen if people want to see what level of censorship is going on (if any).

[–]2ndEntropy 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes there should I second this.

[–]peoplma 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What's the point of removing something if it doesn't get removed? That's just advocating for no moderation.

[–]crypt0chain[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Tell me, that beyond a reasonable doubt that the article I link to at the end of this message DOES NOT break rule 3 of the community guidelines sidebar to the right.

Rule #3 "News articles that do not contain the word "Bitcoin" are usually off-topic."

CTRL-F: The article contained the word 'Bitcoin' 12 times. It's on-topic.

[–]frankenmint 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

you're right - sorry, I meant Rule 4. No need to be pedantic here.

[–]crypt0chain[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well then I'd say Rule 4 should be revised... It's too open to interpretation whether or not something should be allowed. Sometimes a post can be 'mostly' about another cryptocurrency but still belong in this sub. Let the community decide.

[–]NotHyplon 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

t was removed - I approved it because there had already been more than 55 comments on it when it was in the filter - I'm not going to remove posts that have generated many comments and replies related to BTC discussion - sometimes they begin off topic and the comments are relevant - makes no sense to remove all those comments that are relevant just because the initial message was not relevant. Sure, you could turn around and tell me the same thing about this example - I told the OP to re-post his thread on /r/CryptoCurrency[1] or /r/ethereum[2] . Lets face it: is this truly a serious threat to BTC? This article has information that's more than a year old. Shouldn't we have had this discussion ... I dont know ... circa Feb. 2014-ish?

Correct me if i am wrong but does that mean if OP had made his post and the various mod team members were not around (sleeping, work, family etc) and he had got comments on it it would not have been removed as per the Greek one?

If you are trying to keep the sub on point about bitcoin fair enough but a lot of Greece related news gets posted here with no mention of bitcoin in the slightest.

[–]frankenmint 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

you're right...we're humans (the mods)...and this is a totally volunteer thing....we work as we please on our schedule. Sometimes non-btc stuff comes around and a lot of people post on it and it becomes on-topic: in a de facto sort of sense: not always, but often. Also, we're individuals - there are other mods who may feel that world financial news IS related to BTC and stuff I wouldn't necessarily approve gets approved - which is why the behavior appears to be inconsistent at times. I think we're all in agreement all constructive discussion related to bitcoin is good discussion - extensive euphoria during price rallies are NOT constructive behavior either I'd like to add (nothing to do with what you and I are talking about, but it too is a detractor to new users and the skeptics [rightful to be skeptic])

[–]crypt0chain[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (12子コメント)

OP found an article that gives Ethereum a glowing reference and also happens to talk about 'why ethereum is better'.

Well, this is why I posted it. If there is a competing technology to Bitcoin that Banks are adopting, we should know about it so we can improve Bitcoin. Why would we ignore it? The article mentioned Bitcoin 12 times and came from a very highly respected financial publication.

To me it's clearly on topic, but even that if it was debatable, why don't you err on the side of caution and just let the subreddit downvote it?

[–]frankenmint 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

OR it gets posted then removed from other users who complain of it. Maybe you don't realize this, but anyone could report anything at any time. What do I do if your post is approved then its reported for being off topic after 5 minutes? Since I initially approved it, does that mean I now make the exception and allow this to remain publicly visible despite being reported already?

[–]crypt0chain[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (10子コメント)

If some of the community thinks something is on-topic, and some thinks its off-topic, it should be up to the community to decide whether or not its up or downvoted. Thats what the voting process is there for. Your response to those people should be 'feel free to downvote it if you think its not contributing to the subreddit in any way'.

[–]frankenmint[M] 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

So what happens when I tell you that it got removed because it was reported for being off topic. Do you turn around and say that I'm censoring the thread? Do you tell me "It's important for bitcoin to know of threats!!!!! - Do it for Bitcoin!" BTW, the VERY action I'm discussing has just happened to your thread here right now, which was my case and point to why we don't allow off topic posts in here.

[–]crypt0chain[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do you seriously think you're a good moderator? Just because something is reported by some users as being off topic, doesn't mean its actually off topic. There are 170,000 subscribers here. 1 person reports as off topic and you think you should remove it?

Unbelievable.

[–]frankenmint 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

No - I make my best judgement based on:

article motivations and relevancy.

Article motivations = promote Eth

Bitcoin Relevancy = "THIS IS ETH, BETTER THAN BTC"

That's the tone of what I've gotten from the article. Which is why I make my own call on something before moving forward with an action. It's even worked in reverse on me: I've posted an link or discussion before that has gotten reported and removed. I approved it and saw that it gets reported again so thus I left it removed.

[–]Sovereign_Curtis 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

it should be up to the community to decide whether or not its up or downvoted

Ah yes, Rule of Law or Rule of Man. I'll stick to the Rule of Law, thanks.

[–]crypt0chain[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

And when the Rule of Law is harmful?

[–]Sovereign_Curtis 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

No one said it was going to be perfect, but its still a lot better than letting mob mentality reign.

[–]crypt0chain[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not arguing the mob nor censorship. On-topic articles shouldn't be removed. If there is a debate whether something is on-topic, well , then tie should go to the runner.

[–]Sovereign_Curtis 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

well , then tie should go to the runner.

And I assume you're judging whether or not something is on-topic, and whether or not their is a "tie", by number of upvotes...

[–]TheHumanoidTycoon 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your other post is still visible. I'm not sure what you are going on about...

[–]Illesac 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I'm subscribed to the New York Yankees sub I don't care what the minor league farm team for the Devil Rays is doing...

[–]killerstorm 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm normally against censorship, but when it comes to alt-coins and alternative cryptocurrencies, some moderation is necessary, as there are thousands of these alt-coins and each of them claims it is a "serious competitor to Bitcoin". Without censorship we'd drown in this content.

Ethereum was mentioned many times in /r/bitcoin, unless article says something completely new that's enough of exposure. We can't really host all cryptocurrency news in /r/bitcoin, there will be no room left for Bitcoin proper.

[–]crypt0chain[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think anyone is arguing for all cryptos. Only ones that are a serious threat, like Ethereum, are worth a discussion. By the way, Ethereum makes issuing new coins as simple as clicking a GUI and handles tokens natively. Not surprised a Bitcoin color coin company would be worried about it.

[–]killerstorm 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, Ethereum is worth mentioning. But it was already mentioned many times. There is a subtle line between information and advertisement, and I think this article crosses it, at least the title is offensive.

Ethereum makes issuing new coins as simple as clicking a GUI

ArmoryX wallet which I implemented back in 2012 also allowed issuing new coins as simple as clicking a GUI, so what?

[–]spottedmarley 3ポイント4ポイント  (19子コメント)

me thinks you care too much about this stupid fucking subreddit. its all horse shit. all of it.

you should stop assigning value to something so worthless.

r/bitcoin is a shit show.. just enjoy it

it will never be the enlightened utopia you dream it should be

[–]TheHumanoidTycoon 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yeah, but when our robot overloads don't care about paper money then what will you use to buy nutritious Slourp(TM) for sustenance?

[–]spottedmarley 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

I dont think I'll use reddit if thats what you're getting at

[–]TheHumanoidTycoon 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yeah, hopefully Voat is working much better by that time.

[–]spottedmarley 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

You got something against puka shells?

[–]TheHumanoidTycoon 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

For bartering? Depends. Does the person I am bartering with have bleached tip hair, jnco jeans, and waiting for the newest episode of Home Improvement? Hur hur hur....hrgh?!

[–]spottedmarley 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

oh man I miss JNCOs

[–]TheHumanoidTycoon 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

The breeze was the best!

[–]spottedmarley 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

The best was hanging out in the jungle beats or trance tent, getting a massage, face smeared with Vick's vapo-rub with a lit Newport in my mouth and clutching a half-empty bottle of Aquafina like a life line. God those were the days

[–]frankenmint -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

angry much?

[–][削除されました]  (2子コメント)

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    [–]frankenmint 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    come on....you know better than that. Be civil here. I used to have more respect for you, but its waning by the second.

    [–]spottedmarley -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You are sooo going to make me cry right here. Please don't retract your love for me.

    [–]TheHumanoidTycoon -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    You're the one shadow banning people. hahaha!

    [–]frankenmint 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    ikr

    Edit - to be clear. Mods don't shadowban people - reddit.com admins do this. Shadowban means YOU see your posts but no one else sees your posts. His thread was thrown into the AutoMod filter - he's not shadowbanned.

    [–]dnivi3 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The mods do this regularly and their criteria for off-topic are notoriously inconsistent. During the Paycoin/Paybass/Garza-scandals many articles concerned with it were removed while articles completely unrelated to Bitcoin (one example is an article about a chat program that utilised mesh-networks to communicate between users reaching the front page and not being removed as off-topic) were not removed.

    [–]ToroArrr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If Ethereum is indeed better than it should replace bitcoin. That is how evolution and competition works and you should not fight it to hang on to your "investment" that you could probably not afford to lose.

    [–]_smudger_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I was surprised this article was removed as well. Mods should think very carefully about which posts are removed - this was most definitely bitcoin related.

    Pretending Ethereum doesn't exist won't make it go away.

    [–]leon6677 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No bitcoin articles should be banned. We as a community can downvote

    [–]Future_Prophecy -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I generally don't like censorship, but I agree with the mods here. At best ethereum is off-topic and at worst it is a scam. Why give them more publicity?

    [–]fpvhawk -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

    I my opinion the community should decide and power should bot be given to mods, Ive seen many times an good article upvoted, see the front page and then shortly after it's gone, because some mod wanted to exercise his power. Power to the people.

    [–]frankenmint 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

    if only you knew the half of it - that would just cause more false negatives and give people an incentive to game the system. Believe it or not, a lot of businesses treat this place like its part of their social media presence and I absolutely cannot stand it, but at the same time it IS on topic and discusses bitcoin. Or other times where we'll get private pms from employees of X Bitcoin company and they get all Thermonuclear over me removing the direct link to their blog post because they already posted a comment thread and a link to their twitter, linking to said blog post.

    [–]nobodybelievesyou -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Speaking of businesses treating this place like part of their social media presence...why are you guys still approving posts from the bitcoin.com spam account? It popped up right after the ads/referral links went up and posts nothing but bitcoin.com blogspam. It was shadowbanned by reddit admins like a week after it was created because it is literally a spam account.

    Since it is shadowbanned, someone is out there manually mashing approve on them.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ergzd/getgems_joining_telebit_bringing_bitcoin_to/

    [–]fpvhawk -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I know plenty about other businesses that use reddit to promote themselves, but I would like have the power to exercise my "downvote" where I feel is necessary than have a "few" mods in charge making the decisions for everyone. That said, I know that the mods "love" doing their job and "love" the power that comes with it. And since reddit is setup to be like this, no point in discussing further.

    [–]greencoinman -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "Whaa whaa they won't let me pump my altgarbage."

    Grow up.