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[–]hambones 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's Pittsburgh and that is the entrance to the Ft. Pitt Tunnel. I've been there is that very spot a few times and it's dog eat dog. It surprises me that there aren't continuous accidents hour after hour but generally the system works. I agree though this truck was both rude and pushy.

[–]tsumeoneCyclist, cammer, OP. 300% fault 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was just up there the other weekend and took that same road. What a nightmare it must be to have to drive that every day. Some of the worst highway engineering I have ever seen.

Getting over was almost impossible during rush hour unless someone made room, and letting people in does not seem to be the Pittsburgh way of doing things. I had to force my way over (in a safer, non-life threatening way. not like the truck)

[–]hambones 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The highway engineering is dictated by the old narrow tunnel. I have found that drivers pay close attention to each other. If a driver uses his signals, lets others in when appropriate, and lays off his horn, others around him will give him room when he needs it. If a guy is a prick he will be treated like one. Generally the system works but it's a good rule to avoid it during rush hours if you can.

[–]SoundRules 48ポイント49ポイント  (58子コメント)

Man this guy just gives zero shits. What an absolute prick. I would go to the police with this.

[–]Marc-DeMaco 23ポイント24ポイント  (54子コメント)

Driver in that video here. I sent them the video but they said it's unlikely a judge would let the charges stick.

[–]radialomens 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

Call the company he works for. Name is legible behind the driver door.

EDIT: I just realized you titled the YouTube video with the company name, so you already knew that.

[–]Bombingofdresden 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

Did the guy make contact with your vehicle? If so, file a report. Don't let police be lazy shits and talk you out of it. That guy is why people end up dead on the highway.

[–]Banana_Shits 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is the best advice. If there's even so much as the tiniest scuff or dent, it was legally a "hit and run" and the truck driver should have the book thrown at him.

[–]Bombingofdresden 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, you shouldn't get to operate a vehicle that large and get away with being that oblivious.

[–]SoundRules 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well that's really unfortunate. This guy is nothing but a bully in a big truck.

[–]MyOtherAvatar 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Appears to be a combination of bad highway engineering and bad planning by the truck driver. The forced exit lanes are way too short, so everyone has to merge too quickly to be safe.

If the truck driver knows the area then he should have been in the left lane at the start of the video, so that he has only one lane change to get into the tunnel.

[–]Irate_Primate 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]csgofo 19ポイント20ポイント  (46子コメント)

Interesting situation! Edit: Cammer isn't wrong, the truck driver is an insane person. Just wanting to analyze, explore, and improve defensive driving tactics.

Without saying any one person was wrong, if you were the cammer, having the presence of mind you might recognize that the truck may need to get over in a short distance and to leave enough front space for the truck to merge would have prevented a lot of grief.

But being a tourist to a new road as the cammer, it's hard to predict something like this.

Now judging as played by cammer, the truck should have slowed down to merge, if the car let the truck hit him, truck is at fault. Forcing cammer to make an unsafe lane change could have created an even worse wreck.

[–]jacybear[S] 19ポイント20ポイント  (39子コメント)

Except you really can say the truck was wrong. Despite multiple horn blasts, he kept coming into the lane repeatedly.

[–]CEHepp 15ポイント16ポイント  (23子コメント)

Hi! What you're experiencing here is the standard roadcam "op is obviously at fault here" post. These people are either delusional or trolls. I'm sorry that you have to deal with this.

[–]Marc-DeMaco 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm the driver from that video. The replies are to be expected. The police I talked to said I was perfectly in the right and did nothing wrong (for what it's worth.)

[–]PeylixA118-C 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most people on here like to drive from their computer chair. Specially on videos like this. Even though other driver was forcefully endangering others lives, it's your fault because "it was avoidable" by their expertise in driving from a keyboard.

My personal favorite on this sub are people who do not live in said country the video takes place, yet they are the all knowing in every tiny road law of said country and even state. Never fails to make me giggle.

[–]DAL82 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, I really dislike everyone's inability to see nuance.

OP probably should've made room, passed quicker, and paid more attention to the clearly terrible driver. There were thirty things that OP probably could've done to make the situation safer.

None of that excuses the truck driver.

The question shouldn't be "who was wrong?", it should be "how can we make this situation safer?"

OP should've paid more attention to the horrible truck driver.

[–]VexingRaven 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only on this sub is "This could've been done better" the same hing as "This is totally your fault."

[–]jacybear[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

No worries. While I do live in Pittsburgh, it's not my video.

[–]Wollastone 0ポイント1ポイント  (17子コメント)

I'm not sure if you are referring to me, but I never said OP was at fault. I was just pointing out that this was a tough situation.

Going Witch Hunting for the truck driver isn't going to make it any better, though.

[–]Dr_fish 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apparantly the anti-circlejerk circlejerk now means you're not allowed to make any suggestions at all on how the cammer could have driven more defensively or safer without excusing the dangerous or irresponsible driving of the other car that actually caused the issue, without someone sarcastically replying, "all cammer's fault amirite, /r/roadcam folks".

[–]Marc-DeMaco 4ポイント5ポイント  (15子コメント)

I'm the driver from that video and I disagree. The truck driver shouldn't have a commercial drivers license if that's how he drives.

[–]Wollastone -4ポイント-3ポイント  (14子コメント)

Forgive me if I am not explaining myself well -

You did not do anything wrong/illegal. But, again, the truck driver as in a tough situation. And yeah, it seems like he helped put himself in it too. This was how he got out of it, and it was unsafe.

However, this was one clip of how this guy navigated one of the most dangerous interchanges that I have seen. And you want his commercial driver's license revoked as a result?

I understand you are probably upset this happened. Please, though, keep it in perspective. Witch Hunting and posting his identification information online in order to get his commercial driver's license revoked, which, judging by this video, is part of his livelihood, all because he made this move?

That, to me, is wrong.

[–]mesoscalevortex 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

He could have killed the cammer by doing this. He should not have a commercial license.

[–]satanicwaffles 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

I have no idea how you're trying to make the consequences of this driver's actions the cammers fault.

This guy changed into an occupied lane not once, but twice. He put the other drivers at risk, and if there was a crash could very well have damaged the cargo. If the driver's boss doesn't like how the driver is portraying their company, sees that the driver is putting the cargo at unnecessary risk, and fires him, do you know who's fault that's going to be? That's going to the the driver's own damn fault.

[–]Wollastone -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Please re-read my comment. I explicit say that this is not the cammer's fault.

Do you know what would have happened if the driver had not made that lane change? He would have driven right into a wall, forcing his truck out into the highway where there are many fast-moving cars behind him.

Those were the two choices the truck was faced with. Either make a move or hit a wall and take the whole highway down with him.

I thought I was already very clear on what I thought. You misunderstood me. The blame is on the truck driver but he was forced to do this. Again, like I said, it was through his own fault too, but he had to do something, and he made this move which seemed like the best, to him, of a whole bunch of horrible options.

[–]Platypoctopus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Do you know what would have happened if the driver had not made that lane change? He would have driven right into a wall

The blame is on the truck driver but he was forced to do this.

What the hell are you talking about? What wall are you referring to? The worst that would have happened if he didn't make the lane change is that he would be taking the wrong exit - none of the lanes that truck was in ends in a wall. There isn't anything preventing vehicles from taking either exit 69B or 69C. This is verified by checking the location on Google maps here. His lanes don't end, they exit.

So that lane change was completely voluntary, and he intentionally risked the life of another driver so that he wouldn't go off course. He absolutely 100% deserves to have his commercial license revoked, at the very least.

[–]amandatea 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you know what would have happened if the driver had not made that lane change? He would have driven right into a wall, forcing his truck out into the highway where there are many fast-moving cars behind him.

Or, he could, you know, use brakes. The cars behind him most likely also had brakes, I'd hope. It's HIS job to maneuver the vehicle safely, and while it's wise to watch out for horrible drivers around you, it was 100% his fault.

[–]Synergythepariah -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, clearly you're not getting it.

The only real option was for the truck to instantly stop and allow every car in that lane beside it to pass it. While also apologizing.

When someone else is to blame, it's ALL their fault. Duh.

[–]drmonix 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

However, this was one clip of how this guy navigated one of the most dangerous interchanges that I have seen.

Genuinely curious, but is this interchange really one of the most dangerous you've seen? I'm not from that area but I've been there before, and I had no problems navigating it coming from small city driving.

[–]Marc-DeMaco -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'll try not to lose sleep over it if he gets fired.

Let me ask you this. If the driver had ending up causing an accident, do you think he would have stayed at the scene or driven off?

[–]Wollastone 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would think that he would've stayed at the scene. I do not think he is an immoral person just for making this move.

[–]Synergythepariah -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

>Let me ask you this. If the driver had ending up causing an accident, do you think he would have stayed at the scene or driven off?

You're kidding, right?

Clearly he'd have just driven off because he suddenly merged twice into other lanes, forcing a driver over.

Yeah, whatever; his lanes were ending because of the tunnel but who cares about that?

He did something dangerous and should have known that you were unaware that those lanes ended and were attempting to pass at a bad time.

Remember; If you have a CDL; Be psychic.

Again, the truck driver fucked up. He definitely gets most of the blame because what he did was actually illegal.

But you're not perfectly innocent in all of this; more situational awareness would have made things much better.

You would have been in another lane, he would have suddenly merged into an empty lane and you would have complimented his high quality turn signals.

It would have been the same if he had more awareness too; he would have merged earlier on, causing even less trouble.

[–]DAL82 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely!

The cammer was the victim of the truck's awful driving.

But the cammer probably could've been driving a little more defensively and avoided the scary situation.

It's hard to succinctly say without sounding like you're excusing the truck's profoundly awful driving.

[–]Banana_Shits 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

You don't even need to multiple horn blasts. Legally, the truck is obligated to yield to traffic already in the lane he wishes to enter. Period. Had there been any contact, the truck would be found 100% at fault, no need to even look twice.

[–]drmonix 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the intent was to warn the truck driver that he was merging on top of someone. You should avoid accidents if at all possible regardless of whether you'll be in the right or wrong.

[–]Wollastone 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah, the truck went about it wrong and I am sure he heard the horn. However, if he wasn't aggressive like he was, he would've slammed into the Jersey Barriers/Retaining wall. He was forced into doing that.

He was very unsafe about what he did but he was put in a very tight situation and the car could've made a lane change and avoided everything.

A lot of the fault lays with the design of the road. It forces situations like this and forces drivers to make moves like this.

[–]Platypoctopus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

However, if he wasn't aggressive like he was, he would've slammed into the Jersey Barriers/Retaining wall. He was forced into doing that.

For everyone reading this, this is false. He could have taken either exit 69B or 69C if he was unable to safely make the lane change, as can be seen by looking at Google street view here. Instead, he chose to seriously endanger the life of another driver so that he wouldn't take the wrong exit. Nothing about that freeway was "forcing" him to do what he did.

[–]jacybear[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

He could have slowed down and then merged.

[–]PenisExpert -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

He didn't have much room to get over. This looks like a bottleneck situation if I ever saw one. The truck was pretty balsy but the cammer should have gotten the fuck out of the way beings the tunnel entrance was coming up.

[–]Banana_Shits 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, the truck should have used his brakes to merge behind Cammer. Everybody in this thread who failed to realize this frankly needs to take remedial drivers ed.

[–]Kickinback32 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because so many people are gonna make room after seeing the truck attempting to merge! Just like the cammer. O wait the cammer could see he'd have to merge again and instead of backing off a bit he lays on the horn and speeds up the swerves into the oncoming lane.

I can see why the truck driver did what he did. It doesn't mean it was nice or right, but his alternative was to slow to a crawl while small nimble cars race around home giving him zero chance to merge.

[–]BargainManatee -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Doesn't seem like most people agree with this, but I do. It's easy to be like OMG that truck totally ran her over, but It's clear that the truck needed to merge and the car was just unaware of that.

[–]drmonix 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or the car wasn't expecting a vehicle to force it's way into their lane.

[–]dwmfives 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Are you retarded? Maybe just an idiot? I'd be down with what you are saying for the first lane change. How do you excuse the second? Fucking idiot.

[–]csgofo -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Obviously truck driver is an insane person and you have a potty mouth

[–]dwmfives 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, I do. Also drunk, so about 8x as rude as I should be. But I have a foul mouth either way.

[–]Marc-DeMaco 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm the driver from that video. The truck driver had plenty of room to merge and could have signaled much earlier.

[–]LordKwik 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very interesting situation indeed! I'm glad you explained both sides. At the end of the day it's all about getting there safe, guys, even if you're in the right. At least there was no accident.

[–]Marc-DeMaco 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

if you were the cammer, having the presence of mind you might recognize that the truck may need to get over in a short distance

"Presence of mind" is irrelevant in this situation because all of this could have been avoided if the truck had signaled a few seconds earlier.

[–]J__P [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

dumbass was in the wrong lane entering the highway and everyone else has to pay for it.

[–]fatdaddy78 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's Pittsburgh drivers for ya.

[–]Marc-DeMaco 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

The truck had Ohio plates.

[–]LordKwik 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Apparently, according to a lot of comments in here, this is a Pittsburgh tunnel entry. Good eye though.

[–]Marc-DeMaco 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm the driver from the video, hence how I knew.

[–]LordKwik 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha oops! Didn't recognize your username. I thought you were implying this was in Ohio. Misunderstanding on my part.

[–]TrentMK 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

Here's the road on google maps. https://www.google.com/maps/place/880+US-19,+Pittsburgh,+PA+15220/@40.4293717,-80.0293767,697m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x8834f6be4c808387:0x1ed7411115a0bf08!6m1!1e1

Looking at street view, there's no lane merger on that stretch of road. The truck would've just been forced to make a detour south east for a bit if he couldn't find a good place to change lanes, rather than potentially cause multiple accidents.

[–]amandatea 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

So are you suggesting that what he did was acceptable?

[–]TrentMK 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

no

[–]amandatea 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

Oh, okay. Sorry; I was thrown off your tone by all the trolls/morons who evidently don't know how to drive.

Thanks for the link.

[–]TrentMK 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sorry for the curt response. I saw a few posts about how if the cammer hadn't let the truck in, he'd be forced to ram into the tunnel entrance or something, like there was an actual insane lane merger.

[–]amandatea 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yea, That's kinda what I thought you were saying too haha. Then I re-read your wording and realized you were saying it wouldn't have been a huge deal. Truck driver is an idiot.

[–]TrentMK 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, it looks like there are three different routes the truck could have taken via those exits, but for whatever reason they decided a bit of time and effort saved was worth the hugely increased risk.

[–]amandatea 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course, because he was the most important one on that road. People in cars were just inconvenient slugs.

[–]dericnMini0805 / Front | Mini0801 / Back 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Fucking asshole. Piece of shit"

No, the correct phrase is "Worthless piece of shit"

[–]NoCareAtAll [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't have sound so it was hard to tell but If there was no contact, he's not going to lose his CDL. All you that are whining and wanting to "report him" are wasting your time not to mention that he's probably the owner of the transportation company as well..

[–]Cornwall [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hey, looks like it's time to get in front of him and slow to about 20 under the limit.

Seriously though if you know the road and what's coming you can predict who needs to do what. If you don't know the road then, well, good luck!

[–]SoConfuse -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is easily avoidable by remembering to give longer vehicles more space to merge. So either by slowing down or speeding up past them, and not lingering. The lingering part applies to all vehicles, for that matter.

No sympathy for the truck, though. They're a 100% asshole.