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The dangers of echo chambers (self.TheRedPill)

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TLDR - Be skeptical of content and be willing to listen to other viewpoints.

I was recently banned from posting on RoK because I pointed out some misconceptions about Roosh's application and understanding of evolutionary psychology. This prompted me to point out something I've noticed in numerous subbreddits, especially TRP - echo chambers. I was really under the impression a site like that had tougher skin than that. No big deal, whatever.

However, could it just be some people love this type of message delivery system? I'd argue that this is a dangerous mindset to have. While I will argue for most of the ideas talked about on this sub and the manosphere in general, I feel you should still remain skeptical. While some posters have gained a reputation for well thought out posts, it doesn't automatically mean we need to upvote and follow the pack.

People who don't listen to criticism of their view are only hurting themselves. Obviously, this is counter to the idea of self improvement which is a large part of what many of us should be striving for.

If you don't accept criticism to your thoughts, ideas, etc. What makes you better than those we criticize here? It should be much more satisfying to dismantle someone's arguments versus just banning/ignoring them. (Keep in mind, I'm not advocating arguing with sjws. We know where that gets us.)

Echo chambers can lead you down this dangerous path of polarizing your view point against or for a certain idea while ignoring ALL views that oppose your own. There are few ideas and theories that have no holes in them. However, strong theories and ideas are able to take those holes and manage them effectively.

I just wanted to make a post to highlight some of this behavior I've seen within TRP subs. It's important to listen to opposing views and criticism for two reasons.

First, it allows you to remain independent in thought. You shouldn't blindly follow those who've said some great things and never questioning following statements.

Secondly, your viewpoint will be that much stronger if you can swat down those criticism with well thought out arguments and logic. Instead of merely dismissing/ignoring them.

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[–]Suravira 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

RoK and Roosh are dead, tbh I never gave them much attention anyways, but he's really gotten out of hand.

[–]Angry_Landwhale 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most of what we do here is heuristics. Red pill is about developing a mindset of strength and embracing a master morality.

What you are talking about is subversive. So much of the lefty/Marxist derivative believers only care for rationalism or logic when it attacks whatever opposes the world view they hold.

Masculinity is spiritual. You're trying to tear it down with technical and semantic arguments. Why are you doing that? An echo chamber is necessary when everything and everyone outside of it does not care for reality.

[–]1NightwingTRP 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Most of the criticism levelled at TRP has no logical basis or follows any causal links based in principle or fact. It starts from the idea of women being equals and then goes from there. This is poor debating because you base your arguments on an assumption... one in this case which can be challenged. Women are typically physically weaker, typically less intelligent and typically far less emotionally stable. - I fail to see how this is equal.

The second problem tends to come from those who criticise TRP being incapable of understanding nuance or the subtlety of similar yet mutually exclusive points. i.e. they can't reconcile the ideas that believing women are inferior, and also believing they deserve similar basic rights to men such as not being tortured, not being violently assaulted, not being robbed, not being defrauded etc etc (just list laws that apply for the protection of both men and women here.)

That's a fairly broad basis to dismiss a large proportion of the nonsense which disparages TRP. Due to this, there is a fairly large proportion of the basic material on TRP which you should question and evaluate more privately because we've already done that. (It is also why you're told to read the sidebar first before contributing.) If that was not the case, we would be constantly inundated with topics that questioned the basis of TRP (poorly) and it would flood/waste the space of the frontpage.

I've posted on how Debating and Discussion as a man will promote intellectual growth. There may be mere echo chamber guys here... but there's also some independent thinkers. It's down to you to decide who is who.

[–]lost_2_apathy[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well said. This is what I was getting at.

"4."Understanding the strengths of opposing viewpoints and appreciating them is essential," ...especially if you want to completely undermine the opponent's viewpoints"

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

RoK can be like a "Bonzai Kitten" parody site. I like it though. LOL