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[–]TaylorS1986The bible is false because of the triforce. 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

IIRC very similar takedowns have been made when it comes to our modern conceptions of pre-Christian "pagan" beliefs in Europe.

In 5th Century BC Greece "Hellenic Paganism" was not really "a thing" it was a fluid mix of local cults and traditions with a occasional systemizer like Hesiod trying to lay some order on the chaos of cults and myths. Only when the traditions were starting to die in the face of a rising Christianity did people, like the Emperor Julian, start to organize the many traditions and cults into "A Religion".

Similarly with Norse paganism, which was only systemized into "a thing" when it was already dead as a living tradition in the 13th century by Snorri Sturlison. And by the time the Norse converted their beliefs had already been strongly influenced by Christianity, Ragnarok, the Norse "Apocalypse" being a good example of this.

In fact, I would argue that it is the Abrahamic and related creed-based religions are the odd ones out from a comparative perspective, with "Pagan" fluidity being the norm.

[–]piyochamaIncinerating and stoning heretics since 0 AD 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

In fact, I would argue that it is the Abrahamic and related creed-based religions are the odd ones out from a comparative perspective, with "Pagan" fluidity being the norm.

Yeah, even as a Catholic I'm inclined to agree with this.

Furthermore, I'd posit that religion (separable from society, as in social norms and the like) is also a very, very Abrahamic thing that only seems to be an idea in Western societies alone.

[–]KaliYugazI triple-dog dare you to step on that fumi-e 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

Oh hey I'm familiar with this guy. Have you read The Heathen In His Blindness? It's his seminal work, and caused a stir for asserting that "religion" is not a cultural universal.

[–]piyochamaIncinerating and stoning heretics since 0 AD 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

A PSA here that the full text (I hope!) is available below:

http://www.cultuurwetenschap.be/files/publications/Heathen_in_His_Blindness.pdf

This is an expensive book, but hopefully after reading it I will be able to get my hands on a used physical copy.

[–]shannondoahHuehuebophile master race realist.[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

and is controverisal for asserting that "religion" is not a cultural universal.

YEP!

What do you think about his work?

[–]KaliYugazI triple-dog dare you to step on that fumi-e 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Honestly, that book was basically my introduction to academic religious anthropology, so at first I wasn't sure whether he was even legit! But as I did more research, I largely came over to his point of view. The nature of religions like Shinto and Hinduism and European paganism made absolutely no sense until I read him, and then suddenly it made perfect sense.

[–]shannondoahHuehuebophile master race realist.[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wonder if /u/piyochama has read him as well.

[–]KaliYugazI triple-dog dare you to step on that fumi-e 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Everyone who is interested in religion should probably read it.

Another good book is The Invention of Religion in Japan by Jason Josephson. It chronicles how a society to which the concept of "religion" was foreign was forced to make sense of it in the process of copying European modernity, and how the non-concept ended up being massively altered to fit the political needs and realities of the new Meiji state as a result.

[–]piyochamaIncinerating and stoning heretics since 0 AD 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've read Josephson but not this other one. Going to read it now, thanks /u/shannondoah and Kali!

[–]shannondoahHuehuebophile master race realist.[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

If I may ask,who recommended it to you?

[–]KaliYugazI triple-dog dare you to step on that fumi-e 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No one, I discovered it on my own actually :P

[–]ttumblrbots 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

doooooogs: 1, 2 (seizure warning); 3, 4, 5, 6; send me more dogs please

want your subreddit archived?

[–]Arjun_Brahmin in disguise 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

hmm nice perspective.

[–]shannondoahHuehuebophile master race realist.[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (11子コメント)

I thought it would be interesting.

[–]Arjun_Brahmin in disguise 2ポイント3ポイント  (10子コメント)

interesting yes, but not fruitful i think. no matter how you try the wound of history will always be there(may be i am pessimistic here). apart from knowledgeable persons and scholars, an average modern hindu no nothing about his traditions and philosophies.

[–]shannondoahHuehuebophile master race realist.[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

an average modern hindu no nothing about his traditions and philosophies.

Yes. Just see that garbage about Jaggi Vasudev being posted in /r/Hinduism for example.

[–]Arjun_Brahmin in disguise 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I also blame this to poor representation of puranas in TV dramas. Atman is identified as some kind of supernatural phenomenon. many young hindus think that Gita is one true book in hinduism. Why can't we include an elementary book on philosophy in school like finland do?

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

apart from knowledgeable persons and scholars, an average modern hindu no nothing about his traditions and philosophies.

Wait... what? Why is this the case? I would expect a Hindu to know something about his traditions/philosophies, no?

[–]Arjun_Brahmin in disguise 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's not like they don't know but Hinduism has a a history of 5000 years(approx.). They know but not much which in Hinduism is a very little percent of vast resource of philosophies and scriptures. In ancient times there used to be family tradition and Teacher-student tradition to pass down the knowledge. But in modern times it is not considered that important. One other reason is that Hindu cannon of scripture is vast.

[–]shannondoahHuehuebophile master race realist.[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

But in modern times it is not considered that important

Which is very sad,considering that Krishna begins instructing Arjuna in the Gita only after Arjuna surrendered himself to Krishna and accepted Krishna as guru. FUCK THOSE NEW-AGE IDIOTS! FUCK. THEM. SO. HARD. /u/vicelio ... get my point?

[–]Arjun_Brahmin in disguise 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am of view that philosophic spirit is more important than scientific spirit in society. Because philosophy is the true reflection of human en devour to truth and reason with compare to science which is a good tool for exploring the truth but it is the philosophy which mirrors our true self and it's desire to know itself, it's existence. Radhakrishnan discusses it very thorough in his book about the decline of philosophic spirit in India. But i am positive that modern time can be a new renaissance for Indian philosophy.

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yep, I totally get it. I think all religious groups suffer from this to some degree in modern times. For Islam though, the Quran is quite short so kids memorize parts of it when they are young (the motivation for learning being that they're less likely to burn in hell if they comply). Also, we pray 5 times a day so it's like a constant reminder about Islam - we can't just completely push the religion aside because it's too embedded in our life.

[–]shannondoahHuehuebophile master race realist.[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

constant reminder about Islam - we can't just completely push the religion aside

A lot of them seem to be Jinnah-style folk(in my place at least).

[–]shannondoahHuehuebophile master race realist.[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, the enormous number of 'Hinduisms'... still, they all suffer from what you noted.

[–]shannondoahHuehuebophile master race realist.[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

What /u/Arjun_ said.Also the breakdown of traditional lineages has given rise to stupidity such as this.

Also,there is a person there arguing about 'hardcoreness'. Wtf? I mean,if more people knew better about their traditions,then they wouldn't fall for stupid new-agers.

Do you get my point?

I agree with spoopyscaryghost again here: http://www.reddit.com/r/hinduism/comments/36y9yf/the_complexity_of_life_in_5_elements/crjgipn?context=3