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SJWs have completely taken over the Anarchist community. [x-post from /r/SJWstories] (self.TiADiscussion)

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I'll make this short as I have a lot of shit to do and might add to this later, but I need to get this shit off my chest and it looks like this is the most appropriate place to do it.

Back when I was a teenager I went through an anarchist phase which I got over by the time I was around 18. Back then (10+ years ago) anarchist forums were pretty chill places with very lax moderation. Obviously you had edgy teens everywhere and even back then there were a good amount of SJW types but they didn't run the communities or control the conversation.

I got curious about a month ago so I looked up a couple of anarchist forums I used back when I was a teenager, and neither of them exist anymore. I looked up forums about anarchism and the only significant and active ones I found were full of the stereotypical self hating white male feminists. Seriously, the first forum I found had a huge thread bitching about MRAs and another large thread mocking some guy for being against affirmative action. Another thread consisted of praising Sweden for it's anti-hate speech laws. Most of the other threads were about the same shit "toxic masculinity" "cultural appropriation" and all that other SJW bullshit. And of course they had rules against challenging their beliefs.

I just found /r/Anarchism/ and it's the same shit over there. The top thread when I found it was this one and most of their threads are of the SJW variety. Just look at their Anti-Oppression policy which you must adhere to or you will get banned. Their rules, and that stupid picture at the bottom of /r/anarchism.

Then I found /r/anarchist which is the same as well. They have a similar "Anti-Oppression Policy" and their about section says "Content from racists, fascists, misogynists, "anarcho"-capitalists, etc. will be removed and users banned." What a fucking joke.

I looked and looked and the biggest anarchy sub I could find that wasn't completely taken over by SJWs was /r/anarchy which is a small sub with an average of 1 post a day. Even that has it's fair share of SJWs and theres some threads here and there that are SJW in nature, though there doesn't appear to be censorship and SJW "issues" are not the central focus on it as it is on pretty much every other anarchy forum and sub out there.

I have seen community after community, website after website, forum after forum, and movement after movement get hijacked by SJWs and feminists. This one bothers me the most though.

Think about it. Anarchism is about being anti-government and anti-authoritarian, yet the anarchist community has been taken over by pro-censorship authoritarian SJWs. You would think that of all people, it would be anarchists that would oppose the people who are the biggest threat (in modern western society) to freedom of speech and individual freedom in general.

This cancer has spread too fucking far, I'm not optimistic about the future...

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[–]i_slobber_buckets 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I lean anarchist but I have been completely alienated from the anarchist subs and from the anarchists I used to know in real life.

I'm honestly still an anarchist at heart but the SJW-ness of it all is really a big turnoff. For me it's the WAY they talk to and about others that don't share their views.

You know what? We're all human. I'm all for hating on systems and structures but once you start ad-homineming other people and groups that you have never met personally and don't know anything about, you're just as bad as anybody else.

Maybe I'm just not ideologically pure enough to be a true anarchist... But I believe that we lose the ability to have a dialogue when we "other" people. Most people are decent and just trying to get through life.

Your last two paragraphs really ring true to me.

[–]TriangleDimesUnlikable Diaper Man 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm part Choctaw

I'm blood quantuming here by mentioning my faint (one half native great grandmother) Choctaw heritage

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[–]Mouon 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

Well it is the radical left, what would you expect? Radical left social ideas tend to come with radical left economic ideas.

[–]throwaway72937294[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

First, I disagree with the idea that anarchy is inherently a "leftist" ideology.

Anarchy is pretty simple. It is the absence of any sort of government. I get that now people are trying to redefine the word to include social justice bullshit, but that's pretty much the definition of anarchy that has existed throughout most of history since the word was created up until SJWs started redefining words left and right.

Second, the anarchist community was not always like this. As I stated, while there were always the feminists, SJWs, etc in the movement, they were not running the show. There was also little to no censorship as back then people at least recognized that being pro-anarchy and pro-censorship would be hypocritical.

Take all of the things they now support, they're things that would not be able to exist or be enforced in an anarchy.

Affirmative action: They support it and get angry at people who oppose it seeing them as racists and misogynists. Affirmative action is a GOVERNMENT mandate. You can not have government laws/mandates in a stateless, lawless society.

Cultural appropriation: We all know that SJWs only complain about it when white people do something or use something that was (allegedly) created by or popularized by non-whites and that "people of color" can't appropriate anything because "white people have no culture" but let's ignore that for a moment. So the anarchist community these days supports the idea that certain groups own a monopoly on certain kinds of clothing, styles, vocabulary and so on. But how do you prevent white people from doing or saying certain things? You would need a higher power to enforce an authoritarian policy, which is the exact kind of thing anarchists are against by definition (using the original definition).

Anti-capitalism: How the hell can you be against capitalism and call yourself an anarchist? Capitalism is simply free enterprise. It's being able to buy trade or sell independent of the state. Yes, I get that SJWs are trying to define it as a form of oppression by white males to oppress womyn and people of color, but just know that it really just means free enterprise. To be against free enterprise you would, by definition, be against people buying, selling and trading independent of the state. Which means you would have to support a government that prevents that from happening, and it would have to be a very authoritarian one at that. And if you support an authoritarian government that prevents free enterprise, how in the hell can you all yourself an anarchist?

I guess it could make sense if you accept the modern SJW definitions of those words, but I simply refuse to acknowledge them and will always stick to their pre-SJW definitions.

[–]Mouon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Anarchy is pretty simple. It is the absence of any sort of government.

Isn't it the absense of all 'archons' and all hierarchy?

Second, the anarchist community was not always like this.

I assure you the 'anarcho-capitalist' community are not like this, only those on the left who call themselves aranrchists have that problem of SJW infection.

while there were always the feminists, SJWs, etc in the movement, they were not running the show.

it was only a matter of time though. Radfem ideas were based on the ideas of the radical left, and so were SJW ideas. Its just applying the kind of reasoning of the radical economic left, to social issues. This trend began as far back as Gramsci, then onto the new left, critical theory, radfems and post structuralists, then onto SJWs.

They support it and get angry at people who oppose it seeing them as racists and misogynists. Affirmative action is a GOVERNMENT mandate.

They would say they are against things which hurt the working class regardless, but yes, they are hypocrites.

So the anarchist community these days supports the idea that certain groups own a monopoly on certain kinds of clothing, styles, vocabulary and so on. But how do you prevent white people from doing or saying certain things? You would need a higher power to enforce an authoritarian policy, which is the exact kind of thing anarchists are against by definition

Not if that higher power is the will of the collective.

In practice this would be oppressive mob rule even if it weren't a state or quasi-state, but they would think the collective would be that higher power, after all they do believe in direct democracy, with which they would want it imposed.

How the hell can you be against capitalism and call yourself an anarchist?

Easily. Not me, but them. They think capitalism is inherently statist, thats a key component of capitalism is the state - that the state and capitalism are two sides of the same coin.

Capitalism is simply free enterprise.

Free enterprise, in otherwise voluntary exchange, is what the market is, not 'capitalism'. 'Capitalism' is just an abstract invention of the left that doesn't exist, theres the market, which is naturally emergent voluntary exchange between individuals in society - but 'capitalism' is just an abraction imagined by marx and others based on the idea of capital being the key aspect of our system, when its not - our corporatism mixed economy is based on the symbiotic relationship between the state, and the corporations and central banks it creates and supports.

Which means you would have to support a government that prevents that from happening

Or a collective. I think it would get violent, they may or may not, but they view it as direct democracy by a stateless collective.

And if you support an authoritarian government that prevents free enterprise, how in the hell can you all yourself an anarchist?

You can it anarchism is inherently leftist, violent mob-rule.

[–]Subrosian_SmithyHebert-kin. Pronouns: Skit/Skitter/Skitterself [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Anti-capitalism: How the hell can you be against capitalism and call yourself an anarchist? Capitalism is simply free enterprise.

I'm not a left-anarchist, but I'll try to answer this for you.

When these anarchists decry "capitalism", they're not talking about markets and trade, they're talking about the underlying system of property which markets are built on. To their view, "Private Property" (e.g. privately owned capital) allows for exploitation of workers. If you don't own the means of production, then you can only use them to make a living with permission from the class who owns them.

[–]billy_tables 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Anarchy is left wing? What?

[–]tekendeGarruk, Caller of Beast-kin 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends on whether we're talking about anarchy, or "socialism but anarchy sounds cooler".

[–]Mouon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you exclude anarco-capitalists, whom its debatable whether they are actually anarchists, anarchists are almost exclusively on the radical left. Even the most moderate individualist anarchists are clearly lefty.

[–]Subrosian_SmithyHebert-kin. Pronouns: Skit/Skitter/Skitterself [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not implicitly, but most Anarchists and Anarchist movements throughout history have considered themselves left-wing.

[–]qwints [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Anarchists have been predominantly SJW since at least the early 90's.

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