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[–]DeusVermiculus 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

digging is always good.

but we wont ever get good representation in the media. why? simple:

the media operates on outrage. So what u basicly see is that we oppose many voices of corruppt journalists and SJWs who inform/push their ideology through those journalists. They are all self proclaimed Anti-racsists and feminists. the Mainstream population of the western world think of those groups as a force for good. because it has been pushed so unenbdingly through the media and constant campaigns. Karen straughan once quoted a social commentator (dont remember his name) "feminism is communism in panties" u can see where hes comming from with that if u see the underlying propagande of modern feminism (destroy the momentary system since it is unreputably sexist and racsist and build a new one on top of that) and exactly like communism this is achived by nitpicking everything (every experience, every fault of a system, every single little bad thing) as a concious effort of a system designed to oppress a class (communism: workers//feminism: women)

this is why it never stops, is always emotional and draws conclusions towards an activly opressive system instead of just faults in said system that can happen to anybody. the whole concept of social justice is just a combination of radical feminism and radical "anti-racsism" and both work almost exactly the same.

this is why ppl have been conditioned to see those ppl as the "deliverers of good and justice" and thats also why the media profits way more from towing their line than any other.

as long as the majority of ppl are still on the "ofcourse everyone against feminism is sexist" and "everyone against social justice is a horrible person" mode, so long will the media not report anything else but on those "horrible ppl and how horrible they are" because that brings quotas, shock, outrage and demand for more!

it was like that back in the 1950 when america was extremly anti-socialist for example. The media would go ON and ON about those evil atheists and devil worshippers. those communists and their attempts to programm our childrin through their propaganda (thats why nobody should ever read their books or discuss their side of things) and how even Superman destroyed the evil communist powers in comicbooks.

whenever something happened that went against that narrative, they gorged themselves on the outrage and just reprinted lies from religous leaders or goverment organizations who had an interest in destroying the reputation of the "enemy".

what we can do is only one thing: exist.

and continue to exist. never stopping bringing evidence to the public, never stopping to refute false claims or slander.

as u have seen in the months this has been going on: gamergate has grown. sometimes slow, sometimes spiking in short spans of time.

more and more ppl are speaking out against this shit. will it be over soon?

No. this is a longhaul battle. we need to continue in one form or another until enough ppl have seen us. have actually looked at us and not the articles about us.

that can take years. but its the only thing that can be done to outlast the establishment with all its power and funding.

so yes, get digging. post it everywhere and then have fun with some games anon!

[–]AnonGoesOnline[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with this, I have been deep into feminism to understand as much, and in fact I think that the worst battle is yet to come

[–]popehentai 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Them having their echo chamber is one of the best things that could happen. They isolate themselves and wither as they galvanize and eject the "heretics".

Just look at the Atheist+ community.

[–]Contemplationist1 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

A community is not the same as a bankrolled media corporation. Do you think the Gawker shitstains aren't in an echo chamber? Echo chambers broadcasting to us rubes can be sustained indefinitely with business revenue.

[–]popehentai 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would still subscribe to the idea that they will eject the "heretics". Bankrolled or not. Eventually one of the writers will upset someone, or another writer, and the site will lose writers and traffic. Watching SocJus is an interesting exercise, i've never seen a group do the things they do.

[–]AnonGoesOnline[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

very good point, now we need to wait and see where it goes

[–]Craptain 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly, just wait. They'll shoot themselves in the foot eventually.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think we need to counter VICE Gaming with an outlet of our own.

[–]AnonGoesOnline[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is probably the most important part of this new generation of GG, when we started it was all about refuting and attacking, now we need to have our own outlets, but, are people visiting the approved non-meta GG websites ?

I don't know the answer to this.

[–]theone89944k and /r/Gawker GET 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I always thought, and still think, that BasedGamer could be big; if we support outlets like that, then VICE Gaming will become more irrelevant.

Let's not assume worst case scenario here and make VICE Gaming a boogeyman.

[–]2yph0n 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its already there.

For pure gamers, you just simply go to actual gameplays on YouTube to see if the gameplays are your taste or not.

But to non-gamers, it is important to know that unless GGers have a set of FULL time staff and writers to dispel VICE Gaming's potential ideological onslaughts with well supported finances, it isn't feasible. Because VICE's entire team is dedicating their time on it.

[–]Sivarian 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

The issue is that I, personally, would find contacting VICE advertisers petulant and immoral. We have to draw the line somewhere. Leigh lost or left her job at Gamasutra, her startup at Boing Boing is apparently a failure, and she's finally being picked up by another outlet.

Seriously, how far are we going to hound people? Three jobs later? Really?

VICE has a right to focus on non-player game perspectives if that's their stated policy. Hell, I actually begrudgingly respect them for being open about it.

They're publishing trashy or disprovable smears on games and gamers? Post intelligent replies, cite valid sources and evidence-based arguments. Encourage other sites and writers to reply. Write thoughtful letters to the editor or writer, they might even publish them.

But trying to pull their advertisers because "what they said hurt my feelings :((" is wrong. We can do better than that. We have far more potential than that.

[–]2yph0n 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It depends on what would be presented really.

If they are spewing bullshit again, then it is totally fair to first Email VICE about the inaccuracies.

If VICE doesn't comply and/or stick to their guns, then targeting sponsors is TOTALLY justifiable.

[–]FrinkleMcDoo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Replies aren't going to work if VICE goes the route of The Verge and bans commenting. Not like they'd listen to us in the first place.

Also, shitty writers need to be held accountable so long as they continue to attack other people. Would you be comfortable with allowing someone like Sam Biddle to continue to antagonize non-public figures for spurious reasons, just because he ends up writing for another outlet?

[–]JoeDonJackson 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I kinda second this guy

[–]AnonGoesOnline[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly I couldn't agree more. That is the idea behind my post. Contacting advertisers as you put it has a limit, we need to "allow" other view points to be talked on the internet doesn't matter if they conflict with ours, but how we go about not letting they control the narrative while doing so is the tricky part.

[–]centrum5555 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

well gg afected gamsutra for example as well and they are not gawker either.

also the main goal for gg should not be to pull the advertisers of said company, but to enforce ethics. (originally ethics in videogames media) so its not horrible if we dont pull advertsiers from vice. since they are not videogames press.

the more intersting question is did they ever update an ethics policy?

[–]stljustice 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Video game news for non-gamers...so like Candy Crush stories?

[–]Googlebochs 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

operation get competing outlets to be actually critical of and competitive with eachother. by doing...sadly no clue what lol

Erik Kain of Forbes has been noteable for doing this for a while now, techraptor too but yea we need alot more of that and alot more widespread.

[–]Psemtex21k get 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

caring about PR

Seriously?

wonder if GG was ever able to pull advertisers from VICE

That depends on if any transgressions are made by Vice and their (new) staff surely.

All that can be done is wait to see what articles are produced, see if there are any failings and go from there.

[–]AnonGoesOnline[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If the idea of GG is to have a fair coverage of gamers and gaming we one day will need to care about PR, but not the twitter kind of PR you are referring to, I'm referring to the media narrative.

[–]Psemtex21k get 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

One day, anon, one day.

And it's getting closer to, I think.

And I agree, there is different kinds of PR.

[–]AlseidesDD 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Consolidate the illustrious histories of all these 'nice' writers they are bringing aboard and continuously dig for more examples of shitty journalism.

Also, contribute these findings to /r/DeepFreeze

[–]Xertious 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think we as consumers need to let these news outlets know that this isn't what we wanna read. It's all well and good taking action after they've opened the door to these vile hatespawn but that's it then they've been published on a major news outlet and can work their way onto others.

What are some good news agencies that don't give in?

[–]repl0id 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

IMO the moment that they announced leigh alexander as part of their dream team for a gaming section of their website they declared war on us. Nothing that they could´ve said or announced could have had a bigger "shots fired" vibe than this. At the same time, that hag being who she is, is just plain giving us ammo.

[–]subhorizonKOBS Reject | Happy Camper 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

We just need patience now. These writers will dig themselves into a hole, it's just a matter of time.

[–]AnonGoesOnline[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think this is the most intelligent thing to do right now, the people who will write for them are clearly aGG and will in no time attack us for clicks, the thing is, they know what they are doing, this could mean they already expect emails and boycotting to happen, what I'm really curious about is to know how this will play out, and what are their end goal, knowing we will try to attack their advertisement I conclude they are not fearing and even expecting it to happen.