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[–]trezor2 49ポイント50ポイント51ポイント 7日前 (148子コメント)

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[–]notgiving-name 41ポイント42ポイント43ポイント 7日前 (60子コメント)

Posting on a throwaway.

How are the male tears, FreeBSD users? Now that you know your leaders buy into this. You can rest assured if you make a mistweet, you're career membership goes bye bye :)

Case in point, meet our victim: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.advocacy/5404

I though Randi Harper would be celebrating this. She saw the word "meritocracy" and cringed.

Milo (@nero) from Breitbart supposedly said to have proof @freebsdgirl's coding skills are fictitious. I have yet to see it. My presumption would be her mentor wrote her code.

In any event, I wouldn't recommend going the route of xmj. There are many outside USA who don't understand the intricacies of political correctness. @xmj's departure is a loss to the FreeBSD community, but it was in vain. No one will stick up for a guy in the right, even when the girl is a convicted criminal and troll.

Please take the code of conduct down. I do not consent to control by twitter users.

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[–]perciva 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 6日前 (44子コメント)

Do you have an estimate to the LOC she's produced?

Not a huge number (not sure if more or less than 1000 in the src tree), but that's a misleading way to look at it -- finding the one line which is wrong so you can fix a bug is more work than writing a hundred new lines of code. Randi was doing the "unsexy" bug-fixing work that not nearly enough developers spend time on.

@freebsd.org e-mail addresses, do you get those for life?

I'm sure they can be revoked by core, but I think normal practice is to leave email forwarding set up forever.

I see that she hasn't been an active developer since 2012.

Correct, at Thu May 10 20:13:24 2012 I removed her from the src repository's access file per her request; unfortunately her job was not compatible with making open source contributions at the time, and she has been busy with other projects since then.

[–]angryfuck 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 6日前* (28子コメント)

Colin, I'm kind of frustrated. You got me contributing to FreeBSD in the best way I can, by donating money (following your blog posts about donating Tarsnap profits every xmas). I don't donate as much as you but I donate a decent sum in hopes to improve FreeBSD.

I think it is completely fair to consider Randi a FreeBSD developer if she contribute to the code base. I think it would be nice if she was an active developer and I don't think less of her in her pursuits.

But it is hard to not turn a blind eye to her shit-slinging within the FreeBSD community.

Do you think with the new code of conduct should apply to everyone regardless of sex, race, age, etc. as written in the code of conduct itself? If so, do you think the active FreeBSD ports committer that claims harassment from Randi should be taken seriously?

You're not an idiot (for someone that won the Putnam prize at 14), so I ask for an earnest answer from you. I respect your intelligence but I think you're blind to your biases. Fyi, I had the exact opposite situation to you where my mentor went full-SJW (similar to Randi) that I can barely talk with him reasonably anymore.

Also, do you think Amazon s2n supporting a Windows SChannel backend is a good or a bad idea?

[–]perciva 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 6日前 (7子コメント)

Do you think with the new code of conduct should apply to everyone regardless of sex, race, age, etc. as written in the code of conduct itself?

Yes.

If so, do you think the active FreeBSD ports committer that claims harassment from Randi should be taken seriously?

Everyone who claims to be harassed should be taken seriously. Whether their claims should be accepted at face value is a different question, of course. It's entirely possible for people to feel harassed even though there was no intent to harass them, for example.

One of the major elements of the code of conduct is "Do not take it personally", and I think this is the one people struggle with the most. If you have a lot of people attacking you, it's very easy to fall into the trap of pattern-matching "is disagreeing with me" to "is attacking me". This has happened to me recently when I tried to talk to a SJW on twitter; while I was trying to offer a helpful suggestion, I was immediately labeled a troll, publicly mocked, and blocked.

I have never seen anything from randi which suggests that she is going out looking for people to harass, but there have been times where she has clearly taken comments as personal attacks when my immediate impression (without knowing any back history etc.) was to assume that the comments were entirely benign. I think there's probably room for randi to improve here, but I think we should also cut her a bit of slack; the experiences she has gone through are frankly horrifying, and I think I would probably be equally prone to defensiveness if I had been through the same things.

You're not an idiot (for someone that won the Putnam prize at 14)

Alas, when I was 14 I only came 53rd in North America. I didn't win the contest until I was 18.

Also, do you think Amazon s2n supporting a Windows SChannel backend is a good or a bad idea?

I have no knowledge of SChannel. I mean, literally, I didn't know it existed until you mentioned it just now.

[–]angryfuck 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 5日前 (6子コメント)

I have one last follow up question that's tangentially related.

I mostly agree with what you say and looking at the thread I believe the complaint is valid but the supposed evidence of harassment paper thin at best.

Where should FreeBSD draw a line when enforcing code of conduct on activities of FreeBSD community members/developers.

Honestly, I really like the idea of a CoC and I can see a well enforced on easing newcomers into FreeBSD who may seek support or assistance.

What I'm not clear about is when FreeBSD members use social media platforms and how the CoC should be enforced. Some members may have beliefs (religious or otherwise) which may be anti-trans/gay/whatever and discuss it publicly on their own soapbox. Their social network would perhaps include FreeBSD community members who are then offended and upset and these things shouldn't be said when associating yourself with FreeBSD (perhaps in your bio).

In the case of the allegations levied at Randi by the ports committer guy^1, most of these are done on Twitter and are unrelated to FreeBSD. I think the claim is however outside the scope of the FreeBSD CoC, and should be handled through private means.

My thoughts on this is: the FreeBSD community shouldn't be policing behaviour and shouldn't be involved in activities that are outside of FreeBSD discussion mediums.

^1: I can never remember his name, the omission isn't out of disrespect.

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[+]freebsdgirl スコアが基準値未満のコメント-31ポイント-30ポイント-29ポイント 5日前 (19子コメント)

shit-slinging within the FreeBSD community

Let's clear this up right now.

The person that was formerly a ports committer for FreeBSD that attacked me did so out of the blue. I didn't even know who they were prior to that. I'd had no interactions with them whatsoever. They came at me with the same accusations I've been receiving from people that believe everything written on Encyclopedia Dramatica is the truth, despite the page even stating that it's a parody site. Usually I write those people off and just block them, but this person was representing himself as part of FreeBSD.

I've received a lot of accusations about my work with FreeBSD. I've been told that I slept with everyone in the FreeBSD community to get my commit bit. I've been told that FreeBSD has been trying to kick me out for years but wasn't able to do so. I've been told that all I ever did was marketing. However, the truth is, yeah, there's a few committers I might not want to party with on a regular basis, but I love all of them. They are my family and have been so for a decade. I was a part of that group since far prior to me having a commit bit. In fact, they encouraged me and helped me learn what I needed to know so I could contribute to the project, which I had always wanted to do.

So when I saw some person I didn't recognize representing himself as being from FreeBSD and attacking me publicly on Twitter, I knew a shitstorm would be brewing. I knew GamerGate would pick up on it and use it as the basis for another round of bullshit attacks, because I've been watching this happen for about 9 months. I've been under attack by them for that long. I know how this works.

I took it to private IRC, where I was understandably angry. This was a channel specifically for BSD developers, my long-time friends. I was angry, and I got mad at him, and I felt like this last space that I had that wasn't overrun by trolls was gone, so I left.

I went through his tweets, and saw him talking to the tabloid reporter that had been targeting me. I saw him talking to a woman that has put me in genuine fear for my safety at a gaming event. I saw him talking to a very well known MRA and self-admitted rapist who has also targeted me repeatedly on his site.

So I did what I do. I don't keep quiet about abuse that I'm receiving, because it just enables people to further their abusive cycles with others. People that are being abused should be able to tell their stories. This doesn't mean I've been shit-slinging. To the contrary. Until I watched reddit playing all of this out, I've been pretty quiet about the complete story. I've let Johannes go on PUA blogs and try to stir up those mobs against me. I've let him name 3 of my friends while he's trying to be petty and say that everyone hates me. I pointed it out to one of them, and that person decided to involve himself in this. I'm not really happy about having to do that. I've let him publish my home address. Yeah, that one just happened last night. I stayed quiet because core had all of this in arbitration, and they asked both of us to be quiet about it. Johannes kept trying to stir up the mob during that entire process, while I was quiet. I'm still not even telling the whole story, but just giving you an incomplete list of some of the crap I've had to sit here and quietly watch. So I'm not the one you should be directing that phrase at. I'm merely finally defending myself. If you find that so offensive, than that seems more like a problem with you, not a problem with me. Maybe you should check his post history versus mine. You might be surprised.

Furthermore, both you and /u/perciva should stop using the term SJW. It makes both of you look like reactionaries, unless that's what you're going for.

[–]olddrifter 39ポイント40ポイント41ポイント 5日前* (1子コメント)

This has to be the most skewed, myopic, dishonest, and ridiculously one-sided version of a story I have ever read.

Randi Harper is a professional activist - her income comes in direct proportion to her ability to claim victimhood and moral high-ground over those who don't share her political leanings. She has become exceptional at spinning this type of narrative - painting vivid pictures of her own innocence and the horrible persecution she endures from GamerGate for "just being a woman on the internet".

In reality Randi does everything she can to fan the flames, antagonize those who disagree with her, make the biggest scene possible, and spread her culture war to every venue she enters.

Randi does this because her livelihood depends on on it. She no longer has a development job: She is a full-time Patreon-funded activist. More drama in more venues means more press and more Patreon donors.

Randi has become adept at polarizing communities for profit - those who agree with her politics become supporters and donors - those who disagree with her politics are labelled misogynist, racist, transphobic, homophobic, rape apologists, etc. - more "proof" of her constant persecution and fuel for her self-righteous campaigning.

Here is the reality of the events Randi describes, without the insane victimhood narrative:

Randi began injecting her politics into the FreeBSD community in the form of a Code of Conduct
When xmjee voiced his opinion that FreeBSD didn't need a Code of Conduct, Randi found an enemy in the FreeBSD community and a new villain for her narrative
xmjee mistakenly believed that rational discussion with Randi would solve the problem
Randi began gaslighting xmjee while simultaneously publicly demonizing him to her Twitter followers
Randi used xmjee's emotionally charged responses to her gaslighting as "proof" of her persecution, which she promptly broadcasted to her followers
Randi's ideological opponents took note of her new target and reached out to him in support
Randi used communication between xmjee and her ideological opponents as more "evidence" of xmjee's innate monstrosity, labelling him a "rape-apologist" and any number of other buzzwords sure to perk the ears of all who would listen
The Code of Conduct was adopted by FreeBSD
Randi gloated on Twitter about all the "Male Tears" she was able to cause by introducing the Code of Conduct
xmjee attempted to use Randi's own Code of Conduct against her for the misandry in the content of her tweets and Twitter persona
The FreeBSD advocacy mailing list chose not to enforce their Code of Conduct's verbiage on gender-based hatred against Randi
xmjee left the FreeBSD community

...

Furthermore, both you and perciva should stop using the term SJW. It makes both of you look like reactionaries, unless that's what you're going for.

Since we're giving unrequested advice: Randi should stop trying to police people's language. She is not a moral authority, she is not the arbiter of right and wrong, she is an activist who profits off of drama and outrage.

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[–]xmjEE 26ポイント27ポイント28ポイント 5日前* (0子コメント)

People that are being abused should be able to tell their stories.

This is what I am doing, randi.

You called me a

rape apologist

quoram publico.

Johannes kept trying to stir up the mob during that entire process, while I was quiet.

And you're not? You have to be kidding yourself if you think that the things you're posting on twitter do not yield a mob against me.

I stayed quiet because core had all of this in arbitration, and they asked both of us to be quiet about it.

Yes, and you continued lobbing shit at male friends of mine. If you were actually interested in staying quiet, you would have done it, and not just in name only.

I'm merely finally defending myself.

You started this whole shitshow.

Stop playing the victim card.

I've let him publish my home address.

I have not published it. I used it in one internal mail. You did, because your opsec is ... worthy of improvement. :-) Just go to Gandi and grab the Privacy protection package.

Furthermore, both you and /u/perciva should stop using the term SJW. It makes both of you look like reactionaries, unless that's what you're going for.

See, this is again some more of the thought policing.

Don't do this. Don't do that. If you do this you'll look like a Nazi - Reactionary - Bad person.

Have you ever considered NOT doing that?

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[–]xmjEE 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 5日前 (2子コメント)

The person that was formerly a ports committer for FreeBSD that attacked me did so out of the blue. I didn't even know who they were prior to that. I'd had no interactions with them whatsoever. They came at me with the same accusations I've been receiving from people that believe everything written on Encyclopedia Dramatica is the truth, despite the page even stating that it's a parody site.

Yeah, let's clear this up..

Here is how everything started. Let history be the judge of who started shitshowing whom.

As mentioned elsewhere, I'm no stranger to teasing. As mentioned elsewhere, Randi is no stranger to harassing males she disagrees with (or, publish things otherwise labelled #misandry).

Here's the very start.

https://twitter.com/xmjEE/status/613083223086768128

https://archive.is/pXKoe

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[–]DStoo[S] 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 6日前 (14子コメント)

Correct, at Thu May 10 20:13:24 2012 I removed her from the src repository's access file per her request; unfortunately her job was not compatible with making open source contributions at the time, and she has been busy with other projects since then.

In that case do you feel that it is misleading for her to use her "@freebsd.org" domain name as a trump card in an internet discussion?.

In this case it's misleading to people since most would read that as she's an active developer on FreeBSD when she hasn't been for 3 years. If she's been active on other stuff since then wouldn't it be more relevant to post a more recent e-mail address, domain or project?

She also used to go by sektie@codersluts.net, however when in a discussion that doesn't carry the weight of the FreeBSD project. I feel it is misleading to try and pull that domain out when trying to prove something and not letting her code stand on her own.

[–]perciva 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 6日前 (13子コメント)

do you feel that it is misleading for her to use her "@freebsd.org" domain name

Not at all. First, if people don't know what having a @freebsd.org email address means, that's their fault. There are people with @freebsd.org email addresses who have never written any code -- because they exclusively do documentation, for example. Second, the fact that randi was a src committer means that she knows far more about what it means to be a FreeBSD src committer than someone who has never been involved with FreeBSD. And third, despite not being an active committer any more, randi is still a valued member of the FreeBSD community.

If she's been active on other stuff since then wouldn't it be more relevant to post a more recent e-mail address, domain or project?

I still use my email address from the university I graduated from 14 years ago. I also use lots of others. I'm sure randi has several email addresses too.

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[–]xmjEE 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 6日前 (0子コメント)

I had a couple conversations with xmj on IRC and he is no stranger to teasing. Needless to say I didn't share many of his views in those conversations, so if thats really all about it, I can't understand his reaction.

Yeah, I'm no stranger to teasing.

There comes a moment, however, where teasing becomes hateful.

See the picture below:

http://i.imgur.com/feBbi0j.png

In case you're wondering what #misandry stands for:

Noun

misandry (usually uncountable, plural misandries)

Hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against men.

(from https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/misandry )

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But I still can't see the problem with the code of conduct itself

The problem with some of these recent "Code of Conduct" pushes is that "social justice" activists have used them as entryism to be able to punish people for holding opinions they don't like, see for instance: http://contributor-covenant.org/ about the "pervasive cult of meritocracy"

This "Code of Conduct" for instance was created by the same person that started bullshit over at Opal: https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941

The Contributor Covenant was created by Coraline Ada Ehmke in 2014 and is released under an MIT license. Handshake icon created by George Pechtol from The Noun Project.

See here: http://where.coraline.codes/coraline_ehmke.pdf

It's basically a shakedown game for ideological control and seems to work this way:

1) Get offended by something someone in the Open Source community said (usually on Twitter or at an official event), demand they be removed or otherwise punished

2) Flood GitHub or similar with demands to remove said person and/or at least adopt a "Code of Conduct" to prevent such "despicable" behaviour in the future, which includes all Social media and official events

3) Once you shamed them enough and got a foot in the door push a self-formulated "Code of Conduct" on the project

4) Demand it be upheld and anyone that says anything you deem offensive be removed from the project, if it happens another time they can point to the "Code of Conduct" and ask the project to abide. A "safe space" has been created, they don't particularly give a shit if great software engineers get pushed out for disagreeing or the project fails afterwards because said people don't want to abide by Totalitarian ideology, after all "meritocracy" doesn't matter and "inclusivity" takes precedence over anything else.

Meritocracy is generally a trigger-word for these people, they absolutely hate it. Just bring it up in conversation and they reveal themselves and their agenda: https://archive.is/Szf41#selection-2861.0-2863.255

http://readwrite.com/2014/01/24/github-meritocracy-rug

It's a trojan horse that some people willingly let into their town because they think they are "helping" and are being "progressive", but as they soon find out the little fighters hidden inside come out at almost any little provocation or "offense" taken to solidify their stranglehold and they are usually enforced unevenly according to the tenets of "punching up" (usually against "straight white males") instead of "punching down" (women or anyone considered "diverse").

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[–]olddrifter 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 6日前* (1子コメント)

This is a very accurate breakdown.

What you hint at, but don't directly say, is that once the Code of Conduct is in place, it is selectively enforced only against those who disagree with the far-left authoritarian politics of the Code of Conduct's creators, but not enforced against those who are obvious offenders on the other side of the fence.

A prime example is happening here in the FreeBSD community where you have an active contributor being demonized and bullied for his opinions, while Randi Harper's behavior continues to go unchallenged - in fact her negative behavior is reenforced as acceptable by the FreeBSD community's continued association with her while she antagonizes, threatens, shames, doxes, and bullies - all while painting herself as the victim and gloating publicly over her influence.

Mods at /r/BSD have fallen hook, line, and sinker for this act - they are now silencing all dissent and any critique of the Code of Conduct or Randi's behavior.

EDIT: It appears the mods at /r/BSD have come to their senses for now.

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I saw it and wanted to post a cleaned up version of my posts here there. The problem with Reddit is what Randi replied with "tl;dr:". People don't want to put in the time to actually understand or discuss a problem they want to bandwagon on twitter. Unfortunately not everything can be summed up in a tweet. Sometimes to get an adult point across it takes more than 140 characters (and sometimes more than the 10,000 character limit of Reddit).

While I've never been active in the FreeBSD community I know 'who' the guys are. I'm used to citing sources and linking to factual evidence for both sides. I cut my teeth at 16 on Usenet and Slashdot and you couldn't get away with a twitter length message and be taken seriously. I signed up with an e-mail address and am still waiting on getting the e-mail to say I've been subscribed.

Feel free to crosspost anything I've said with a link here.

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It's not just XJM.

If I keep getting this kind of crap from this mailing list I'm going to withdraw from it and cease any personal advocacy for FreeBSD going forward through social media and professional contacts.

https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2015-July/004566.html

But seriously guys, please stop. I'm tire of getting notifications on my phone every five minutes just because a bunch of people have horrible and tasteless accusations to throw at eachother. Everyone, please, just stop it. I think I'm being reasonable here.

https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2015-July/004565.html

I dont know what the other side of this conflict (namely Randi) brings to the project, but a quick search shows me just a few commits against xmj's few hundreds. I wasnt aware FreeBSD project is a 'feminist project' that values keeping female contributors around despite their behavior over male contributors doing actual work, exposing the same type of behaviour (to be perfectly clear, xmj got into a 'fight' where he shouldnt, so I consider the blame to be shared here).

This backlash will land on FreeBSD's head.

[–]xmjEE 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 6日前 (0子コメント)

I dont know what the other side of this conflict (namely Randi) brings to the project, but a quick search shows me just a few commits against xmj's few hundreds. I wasnt aware FreeBSD project is a 'feminist project' that values keeping female contributors around despite their behavior over male contributors doing actual work, exposing the same type of behaviour (to be perfectly clear, xmj got into a 'fight' where he shouldnt, so I consider the blame to be shared here).

This quote stems from a FreeBSD ports committer personally known to me, under an alternative email address.

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[–]DStoo[S] 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 6日前* (17子コメント)

Oh, never mind. You're a redpiller. Literally the type of person being discussed in that email thread. lol. Have a nice life.

You might want to check into that a bit deeper. Banned from both TRP, and TBP. Hang out mostly in /r/PurplePillDebate. If you actually read through my posts you might find you agree with me on some things. Lord knows the TRPers hate me, I tried to figure out how to make sure my son isn't one of them . I also can't stand TRP's shitty studies and loud mouth GLO. I even got a love letter when he got banned.

So I had to go make my own manosphere with Blackjakck and Hookers: /r/wolflionbear/.

You know what? I laughed at it made fun of him and moved on. Witch hunts always find witches and you're no different than the federal government is with their witch hunts. It's always the case of this bell curve.

I don't like Reddit much. I've always preferred short conversation (IRC) and long conversation (Usenet). It's why I hang out on the #SRS, #KotakuInAction, #reddit, #subredditdrama, #TrollChromosomes & #foreveralone.

You know who I've never seen there? You.. You just feel the need to go into other peoples quiet business and mess it up.

The one thing I learned from all the channels is all of them are pretty much the same. If all the listed groups would put aside their differences, drink over it it'd probably be one hell of a party. Instead they listen to the loudest idiots in their camp and you see the toxic shit spill out onto Reddit, people behave like demons here. There are people that would probably be good friends and maybe even date if they would have met in #weirdobscuregame instead of the /r/GamerGhazi and /r/KotakuInAction where they did..

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[–]DStoo[S] 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 6日前* (0子コメント)

Hi. I'm randi@freebsd.org. I run many open source projects.

Hi, I have many domains and contribute to many opensource projects. I do so under different names because I'm not an attention whore. (And mainly because the company I work for isn't OSS yet, so I have to do it under a pseudonym.) Dig through my post history, you might find I've contributed to a lot of different subreddits here, actual content and not bickering.

How many lines of code have you submitted? How active are you on the dev mailing list and channels? You post so much on twitter I would like to see where you have time to post more than a few lines of code. This just confirms my suspicions that you just did the minimal work to get a @freebsd.org e-mail address. Because at one time FreeBSD was the last pure "We just care how you code" project. Everything on FreeBSD just works. I wish I moved back years ago. You snuck in because they were genuinely nice developers and were willing to help anyone. You perverted their 'we don't care' attitude against them.

Now if you give me more than 5 minutes to type out a decent response I'll let my wife proof read my response. She's a woman in STEM. I'm in STEM. We might know a few things about what ya'll are whining about. Because it's getting old watching both sides talk past each other. In the mean time dig through my post history (and everyone else she's going to tweet this too), I'm tired of trying to sum my ideas on a subjects into 140 or even 10,000 post.s

Guess which one of 'these people' you are? on this bell curve.

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I agree that trolls and people poisoning interactions in the community cannot treated the same as regular community members, but isn't exactly that the aim of the code?

I now tend to agree with in xmj that the aggressive behavior of randi on twitter could be seen as a violation of the very code she advocated, but nevertheless I think thats less of a problem of the code itself.

Yes, I see the irony of a person pushing a code of conduct against hate and harassment and then posting pictures tagged with “misandry”, but I think /u/jdmulloy put it quite nicely. I also understand the frustration of xmj that the execution of the policies set by the code of conduct is quite poor (especially the answer of DES on the mailing list is… strange), but as with real law, bad enforcement doesn't make the law worse at it is.

[+]freebsdgirl スコアが基準値未満のコメント-32ポイント-31ポイント-30ポイント 6日前 (7子コメント)

He's bitching about me making a 'male tears' comment after he's:

threatened me on Twitter
posted an internal IRC log publicly after being told not to by other FreeBSD developers
posted to PUA/MRA blogs about me
talked to a tabloid writer/"journalist" about me
asked me for my home address right after I talked about being doxed by 8chan
harassed another FreeBSD dev, a trans woman.

All of this and he's complaining about "male tears", a comment that wasn't even directed at him, but instead all of the dudes in the r/bsd thread that were talking about how code of conducts are bad.

Sooo... yeah. There's a reason that less than 2% of open source developers are women. It's because shit like this happens, and we're expected to stay quiet and just take it. I fought back, and I asked for a Code of Conduct, because core was not equipped to deal with this.

Now I'm seeing a bunch of people that aren't FreeBSD devs complain. With the exception of xmj, most of the other FreeBSD devs agree with me.

Incidentally, anyone that uses the term SJW non-ironically is probably not really worth anyone's time.

[–]olddrifter 29ポイント30ポイント31ポイント 6日前* (1子コメント)

Oh boy, here's Randi Harper once again presenting a completely skewed version of events, playing the victim, and using her supposed victimhood to excuse her own harassing, bigoted behavior.

In the time I have been aware of Randi I have seen her:

Dox people on Twitter
Change her Twitter name to "Kill All Men"
Change her Twitter avatar to an image of herself sipping from a mug labelled "Male Tears"
Harass and stalk those whos views on culture don't align with her own
Leave libelous reviews on Amazon for books she'd never read, rather she just didn't like the author (who was actively supporting thousands of women in technology)
Gleefully gloat over the "male tears" supposedly caused by her influence over the FreeBSD community
Harass, demonize, and belittle the efforts of a contributing member of the FreeBSD community
Make a complete 180 degree turn in her public opinion on the "women in tech" movement after finding her current stance more profitable

From Randi's post:

There's a reason that less than 2% of open source developers are women. It's because shit like this happens

*(Citation needed)

Randi Harper is what is known as an "equality of outcome" rather than "equality of opportunity" feminist. This style of feminism is based on the utterly rediculous belief that men and women have the same interests, motivations, and derive satisfaction from the same activities.

Because of this incorrect belief, Randi points to an unfalsifiable boogeyman "patriarchy" when gender parity is not found in any particular career field or hobby. She ignores the obvious reality that for decades men and women have had the exact same opportunities and protections in the western world, therefore, personal choice - not discrimination - is the most likely cause of disparities in gender representation when we find them in western culture.

It is worth noting that, in reality, Randi doesn't hold this mistaken belief - she knows that her new-found 'gender feminist' ideologue identity is a meritless grab for power and money - in fact she gave an interview just a few years ago, stating:

"I don't think it's a problem the number of women we have in open source"
"My problem is actually the negative impact that this 'women in open source' movement is having on the community"
"Life really isn't hard as a woman in open source - in my experience we actually have it easier than men, but [feminsts] want to make it out like we have these horrible trials and tribulations because we're women"
"People are so defensive now - you can't crack a joke, you can't make any statements without worrying"

Any guesses as to why Randi changed her stance so much?

If FreeBSD truly believes in their recently adopted Code of Conduct, they will enforce it now and remove Randi Harper, her bullying, antagonizing, profiteering behavior, and the shitstorms that follow her across the internet, from the FreeBSD community.

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[–]notgiving-name 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 6日前* (1子コメント)

harassed another FreeBSD dev, a trans woman.

Whom? Where's the proof?

Don't tell me Lillian Lemmer. He was helping her with hypatia. https://reviews.freebsd.org/D2896

I doubt she needs your drama or you to patronize her.

asked me for my home address right after I talked about being doxed by 8chan

Ostensibly to serve you legal process. Highly doubt he cares about stalking.

However, probably finds your incessant blaming of him insufferable. Who wouldn't?

posted to PUA/MRA blogs about me

Heartiste? So what, that's after your harassment campaign against Roissy. And you got heartiste banned from twitter! Why?

PUA

A guy studies how to sound more smooth and less creepy when he talks girl? What's the proper way?

posted an internal IRC log publicly after being told not to by other FreeBSD developers

I personally don't condone that. However, your behavior in that log was bullying.

You're barking of people's trees Randi. You don't even contribute to the project anymore. Why don't you go code something

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[–]xmjEE 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 6日前 (0子コメント)

threatened me on Twitter

I said I was going to fight you until you stopped doing the very thing you advocated against. Yes, I got carried away.

Have you ever woken up to a false rape accusation?

I now have, thanks to you, /u/freebsdgirl

posted an internal IRC log publicly after being told not to by other FreeBSD developers

I said I was going to post it. I pulled the log down IMMEDIATELY after @bsdimp aka Warner Losh, Marketing Team FreeBSD, asked for it.

posted to PUA/MRA blogs about me

Yes. The United States' First Amendment grants me freedom of expression.

talked to a tabloid writer/"journalist" about me

Again, constitutionally protected right.

asked me for my home address right after I talked about being doxed by 8chan

My lawyer said he would need it to deliver a cease-and-desist.

Obviously, given that the domain of that tool you use is not privacy-protected, I now have it.

Your OpSec could need some improvement.

harassed another FreeBSD dev, a trans woman.

I worked with Lillian on hypatia, and tried out the game engine they were working on. It was all fun and games until Lillian figuratively shoved their dick into my face, and they did that in private. So until you mentioned this issue, nobody would have cared.

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[–]DStoo[S] 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 6日前* (0子コメント)

asked me for my home address right after I talked about being doxed by 8chan

Was that the swatting that you faked?

Also, if you are as pro-women's rights as you claim, why did you register codersluts.net?

https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2003-April/000197.html

You added one line here: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.cfg?r1=209778&r2=209777&pathrev=209778

I've dug through most of your FreeBSD lists posts and I can't find much content at all. Either you Doxxed yourself or doxxed someone else: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2015-February/264010.html

People have already said Your personal feud has nothing to do with FreeBSD. Please stop spamming this mailing list's membership over it..

You did discuss getting American Lipstick

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