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FreeBSD releases their "Code of Conduct" (freebsd.org)
DStoo が 7日 前 投稿
[–]trezor2 49ポイント50ポイント51ポイント 7日 前 (148子コメント)
Does anyone have a background on why these were suddenly needed now, as opposed to for ten years ago?
[–]dhdfdh 44ポイント45ポイント46ポイント 7日 前 (0子コメント)
It's the latest fad.
[–]penguinman1337 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 4日 前 (0子コメント)
cough OpenBSD cough Theo don't take this shit cough
[–]notgiving-name 43ポイント44ポイント45ポイント 7日 前 (60子コメント)
Posting on a throwaway.
How are the male tears, FreeBSD users? Now that you know your leaders buy into this. You can rest assured if you make a mistweet, you're career membership goes bye bye :)
Case in point, meet our victim: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.advocacy/5404
I though Randi Harper would be celebrating this. She saw the word "meritocracy" and cringed.
Milo (@nero) from Breitbart supposedly said to have proof @freebsdgirl's coding skills are fictitious. I have yet to see it. My presumption would be her mentor wrote her code.
In any event, I wouldn't recommend going the route of xmj. There are many outside USA who don't understand the intricacies of political correctness. @xmj's departure is a loss to the FreeBSD community, but it was in vain. No one will stick up for a guy in the right, even when the girl is a convicted criminal and troll.
Please take the code of conduct down. I do not consent to control by twitter users.
[–]perciva 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 6日 前 (55子コメント)
My presumption would be her mentor wrote her code.
I was randi's mentor. I did not write any of her code.
I mean, seriously, you think I'm insane enough to want to touch sysinstall?
[–]crest_ 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 6日 前 (0子コメント)
Ok. I believe you. I needed a lot of eye bleach after a short look at sysinstall.
[–]DStoo[S] 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 6日 前 (53子コメント)
Can you link to some of her commits? I searched all of FreeBSD's source (Admittedly I did it on GitHub) and couldn't find any source that has her name in it. I saw one commit from years ago and it was just adding a comment: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.cfg?r1=209778&r2=209777&pathrev=209778
One commit with C files: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/usr.sbin/sysinstall/tcpip.c?r1=208406&r2=208405&pathrev=208406
[–]perciva 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 6日 前 (51子コメント)
I don't think github's FreeBSD history goes back this far. I know I've had trouble finding things in there.
Also a lot of randi's patches went into the tree via other people before she had a commit bit -- unlike git, svn doesn't have separate "committed by" vs. "authored by" so it's not always possible to figure out who actually produced a patch.
[–]xmjEE 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 6日 前 (4子コメント)
Colin, it does.
You're looking for:
https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/commits?author=randi@freebsd.org
Edit:
I (obviously) agree: the amount of commits she did, or didn't do, does not reflect on her engagement with FreeBSD before that time as source committer.
[–]DStoo[S] 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 6日 前 (1子コメント)
Cool. I wish she spent more time on FreeBSD and less time on the 'anti-harssment tools' and 'codes of conduct'.
That's a lot of stuff that needed worked on.
Not to mention all the ports that I would like updated that seem to be partially abandoned.
[–]xmjEE 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 6日 前 (0子コメント)
You can always adopt them. I may even be able to teach you a trick or two. ;-)
[–]perciva 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 6日 前 (1子コメント)
Huh. I know I've had trouble finding people's commits there in the past. Maybe github fixed something, or maybe I made a mistake in my previous searches.
[–]xmjEE 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 6日 前 (0子コメント)
See. You learned something today.
The day is not a complete waste :-)
[–]DStoo[S] 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 6日 前 (45子コメント)
Do you have an estimate to the LOC she's produced?
I'm also not familiar with @freebsd.org e-mail addresses, do you get those for life? I see that she hasn't been an active developer since 2012.
[–]perciva 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 6日 前 (44子コメント)
Not a huge number (not sure if more or less than 1000 in the src tree), but that's a misleading way to look at it -- finding the one line which is wrong so you can fix a bug is more work than writing a hundred new lines of code. Randi was doing the "unsexy" bug-fixing work that not nearly enough developers spend time on.
@freebsd.org e-mail addresses, do you get those for life?
I'm sure they can be revoked by core, but I think normal practice is to leave email forwarding set up forever.
I see that she hasn't been an active developer since 2012.
Correct, at Thu May 10 20:13:24 2012 I removed her from the src repository's access file per her request; unfortunately her job was not compatible with making open source contributions at the time, and she has been busy with other projects since then.
[–]angryfuck 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 6日 前* (28子コメント)
Colin, I'm kind of frustrated. You got me contributing to FreeBSD in the best way I can, by donating money (following your blog posts about donating Tarsnap profits every xmas). I don't donate as much as you but I donate a decent sum in hopes to improve FreeBSD.
I think it is completely fair to consider Randi a FreeBSD developer if she contribute to the code base. I think it would be nice if she was an active developer and I don't think less of her in her pursuits.
But it is hard to not turn a blind eye to her shit-slinging within the FreeBSD community.
Do you think with the new code of conduct should apply to everyone regardless of sex, race, age, etc. as written in the code of conduct itself? If so, do you think the active FreeBSD ports committer that claims harassment from Randi should be taken seriously?
You're not an idiot (for someone that won the Putnam prize at 14), so I ask for an earnest answer from you. I respect your intelligence but I think you're blind to your biases. Fyi, I had the exact opposite situation to you where my mentor went full-SJW (similar to Randi) that I can barely talk with him reasonably anymore.
Also, do you think Amazon s2n supporting a Windows SChannel backend is a good or a bad idea?
[–]perciva 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 6日 前 (7子コメント)
Do you think with the new code of conduct should apply to everyone regardless of sex, race, age, etc. as written in the code of conduct itself?
Yes.
If so, do you think the active FreeBSD ports committer that claims harassment from Randi should be taken seriously?
Everyone who claims to be harassed should be taken seriously. Whether their claims should be accepted at face value is a different question, of course. It's entirely possible for people to feel harassed even though there was no intent to harass them, for example.
One of the major elements of the code of conduct is "Do not take it personally", and I think this is the one people struggle with the most. If you have a lot of people attacking you, it's very easy to fall into the trap of pattern-matching "is disagreeing with me" to "is attacking me". This has happened to me recently when I tried to talk to a SJW on twitter; while I was trying to offer a helpful suggestion, I was immediately labeled a troll, publicly mocked, and blocked.
I have never seen anything from randi which suggests that she is going out looking for people to harass, but there have been times where she has clearly taken comments as personal attacks when my immediate impression (without knowing any back history etc.) was to assume that the comments were entirely benign. I think there's probably room for randi to improve here, but I think we should also cut her a bit of slack; the experiences she has gone through are frankly horrifying, and I think I would probably be equally prone to defensiveness if I had been through the same things.
You're not an idiot (for someone that won the Putnam prize at 14)
Alas, when I was 14 I only came 53rd in North America. I didn't win the contest until I was 18.
I have no knowledge of SChannel. I mean, literally, I didn't know it existed until you mentioned it just now.
[–]angryfuck 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 5日 前 (6子コメント)
I have one last follow up question that's tangentially related.
I mostly agree with what you say and looking at the thread I believe the complaint is valid but the supposed evidence of harassment paper thin at best.
Where should FreeBSD draw a line when enforcing code of conduct on activities of FreeBSD community members/developers.
Honestly, I really like the idea of a CoC and I can see a well enforced on easing newcomers into FreeBSD who may seek support or assistance.
What I'm not clear about is when FreeBSD members use social media platforms and how the CoC should be enforced. Some members may have beliefs (religious or otherwise) which may be anti-trans/gay/whatever and discuss it publicly on their own soapbox. Their social network would perhaps include FreeBSD community members who are then offended and upset and these things shouldn't be said when associating yourself with FreeBSD (perhaps in your bio).
In the case of the allegations levied at Randi by the ports committer guy1, most of these are done on Twitter and are unrelated to FreeBSD. I think the claim is however outside the scope of the FreeBSD CoC, and should be handled through private means.
My thoughts on this is: the FreeBSD community shouldn't be policing behaviour and shouldn't be involved in activities that are outside of FreeBSD discussion mediums.
1: I can never remember his name, the omission isn't out of disrespect.
[+]freebsdgirl スコアが基準値未満のコメント-35ポイント-34ポイント-33ポイント 5日 前 (19子コメント)
shit-slinging within the FreeBSD community
Let's clear this up right now.
The person that was formerly a ports committer for FreeBSD that attacked me did so out of the blue. I didn't even know who they were prior to that. I'd had no interactions with them whatsoever. They came at me with the same accusations I've been receiving from people that believe everything written on Encyclopedia Dramatica is the truth, despite the page even stating that it's a parody site. Usually I write those people off and just block them, but this person was representing himself as part of FreeBSD.
I've received a lot of accusations about my work with FreeBSD. I've been told that I slept with everyone in the FreeBSD community to get my commit bit. I've been told that FreeBSD has been trying to kick me out for years but wasn't able to do so. I've been told that all I ever did was marketing. However, the truth is, yeah, there's a few committers I might not want to party with on a regular basis, but I love all of them. They are my family and have been so for a decade. I was a part of that group since far prior to me having a commit bit. In fact, they encouraged me and helped me learn what I needed to know so I could contribute to the project, which I had always wanted to do.
So when I saw some person I didn't recognize representing himself as being from FreeBSD and attacking me publicly on Twitter, I knew a shitstorm would be brewing. I knew GamerGate would pick up on it and use it as the basis for another round of bullshit attacks, because I've been watching this happen for about 9 months. I've been under attack by them for that long. I know how this works.
I took it to private IRC, where I was understandably angry. This was a channel specifically for BSD developers, my long-time friends. I was angry, and I got mad at him, and I felt like this last space that I had that wasn't overrun by trolls was gone, so I left.
I went through his tweets, and saw him talking to the tabloid reporter that had been targeting me. I saw him talking to a woman that has put me in genuine fear for my safety at a gaming event. I saw him talking to a very well known MRA and self-admitted rapist who has also targeted me repeatedly on his site.
So I did what I do. I don't keep quiet about abuse that I'm receiving, because it just enables people to further their abusive cycles with others. People that are being abused should be able to tell their stories. This doesn't mean I've been shit-slinging. To the contrary. Until I watched reddit playing all of this out, I've been pretty quiet about the complete story. I've let Johannes go on PUA blogs and try to stir up those mobs against me. I've let him name 3 of my friends while he's trying to be petty and say that everyone hates me. I pointed it out to one of them, and that person decided to involve himself in this. I'm not really happy about having to do that. I've let him publish my home address. Yeah, that one just happened last night. I stayed quiet because core had all of this in arbitration, and they asked both of us to be quiet about it. Johannes kept trying to stir up the mob during that entire process, while I was quiet. I'm still not even telling the whole story, but just giving you an incomplete list of some of the crap I've had to sit here and quietly watch. So I'm not the one you should be directing that phrase at. I'm merely finally defending myself. If you find that so offensive, than that seems more like a problem with you, not a problem with me. Maybe you should check his post history versus mine. You might be surprised.
Furthermore, both you and /u/perciva should stop using the term SJW. It makes both of you look like reactionaries, unless that's what you're going for.
[–]olddrifter 40ポイント41ポイント42ポイント 5日 前* (1子コメント)
This has to be the most skewed, myopic, dishonest, and ridiculously one-sided version of a story I have ever read.
Randi Harper is a professional activist - her income comes in direct proportion to her ability to claim victimhood and moral high-ground over those who don't share her political leanings. She has become exceptional at spinning this type of narrative - painting vivid pictures of her own innocence and the horrible persecution she endures from GamerGate for "just being a woman on the internet".
In reality Randi does everything she can to fan the flames, antagonize those who disagree with her, make the biggest scene possible, and spread her culture war to every venue she enters.
Randi does this because her livelihood depends on on it. She no longer has a development job: She is a full-time Patreon-funded activist. More drama in more venues means more press and more Patreon donors.
Randi has become adept at polarizing communities for profit - those who agree with her politics become supporters and donors - those who disagree with her politics are labelled misogynist, racist, transphobic, homophobic, rape apologists, etc. - more "proof" of her constant persecution and fuel for her self-righteous campaigning.
Here is the reality of the events Randi describes, without the insane victimhood narrative:
...
Furthermore, both you and perciva should stop using the term SJW. It makes both of you look like reactionaries, unless that's what you're going for.
Since we're giving unrequested advice: Randi should stop trying to police people's language. She is not a moral authority, she is not the arbiter of right and wrong, she is an activist who profits off of drama and outrage.
[–]xmjEE 26ポイント27ポイント28ポイント 5日 前* (0子コメント)
People that are being abused should be able to tell their stories.
This is what I am doing, randi.
You called me a
rape apologist
quoram publico.
Johannes kept trying to stir up the mob during that entire process, while I was quiet.
And you're not? You have to be kidding yourself if you think that the things you're posting on twitter do not yield a mob against me.
I stayed quiet because core had all of this in arbitration, and they asked both of us to be quiet about it.
Yes, and you continued lobbing shit at male friends of mine. If you were actually interested in staying quiet, you would have done it, and not just in name only.
I'm merely finally defending myself.
You started this whole shitshow.
Stop playing the victim card.
I've let him publish my home address.
I have not published it. I used it in one internal mail. You did, because your opsec is ... worthy of improvement. :-) Just go to Gandi and grab the Privacy protection package.
See, this is again some more of the thought policing.
Don't do this. Don't do that. If you do this you'll look like a Nazi - Reactionary - Bad person.
Have you ever considered NOT doing that?
[–]faissaloo 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 5時間 前 (0子コメント)
"People that are being abused should be able to tell their stories" unless they're being abused by you of course...
[–]angryfuck 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 5日 前* (1子コメント)
I won't stop1 but I will take responsibility for /u/perciva using that term, because I'm pretty sure he was hesitant saying that in my first place. I read his blog posts/twitter, I know he's the first to give everyone a fair chance and doesn't like to push labels.
1: I don't like the term either as I agree with social justice causes, but on the Internet, the (social justice) charlatans are the loudest (and before you take offense to that I would suggest Colin's advice of "do not take it personally," because you're not the person I had in mind when I just said that - but i think you're part of what I perceive as a problem).
[–]damonganto 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 4時間 前* (0子コメント)
I am being abused by your bot being blocked by a plethora of people for associating, not engaging with people that do "Gamergate". I was never notified, I only realized as I tried to tweet something completely unrelated to women in gaming, ethics in journalism or whatever the fuck else Gamergate is supposedly about.
I even sent you a polite mail, but have yet to receive a reponse.
So I did read up on you, and it turns out you're either dishonest and manipulative or without any kind of self-insight. A follow is not an endorsement.
Hey, at least you accepted my PR
[–]DStoo[S] 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 5日 前 (0子コメント)
tl;dr:
Turnabout is fair play.
Maybe you should check his post history versus mine. You might be surprised.
What does his post history have to do with this FreeBSD development skills?
[–]xmjEE 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 5日 前 (2子コメント)
The person that was formerly a ports committer for FreeBSD that attacked me did so out of the blue. I didn't even know who they were prior to that. I'd had no interactions with them whatsoever. They came at me with the same accusations I've been receiving from people that believe everything written on Encyclopedia Dramatica is the truth, despite the page even stating that it's a parody site.
Yeah, let's clear this up..
Here is how everything started. Let history be the judge of who started shitshowing whom.
As mentioned elsewhere, I'm no stranger to teasing. As mentioned elsewhere, Randi is no stranger to harassing males she disagrees with (or, publish things otherwise labelled #misandry).
Here's the very start.
https://twitter.com/xmjEE/status/613083223086768128
https://archive.is/pXKoe
[–]perciva 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 5日 前 (6子コメント)
I used that term because that seems to be what people are using to describe themselves. What term should I use instead?
[–]DStoo[S] 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 6日 前 (14子コメント)
In that case do you feel that it is misleading for her to use her "@freebsd.org" domain name as a trump card in an internet discussion?.
In this case it's misleading to people since most would read that as she's an active developer on FreeBSD when she hasn't been for 3 years. If she's been active on other stuff since then wouldn't it be more relevant to post a more recent e-mail address, domain or project?
She also used to go by sektie@codersluts.net, however when in a discussion that doesn't carry the weight of the FreeBSD project. I feel it is misleading to try and pull that domain out when trying to prove something and not letting her code stand on her own.
[–]perciva 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 6日 前 (13子コメント)
do you feel that it is misleading for her to use her "@freebsd.org" domain name
Not at all. First, if people don't know what having a @freebsd.org email address means, that's their fault. There are people with @freebsd.org email addresses who have never written any code -- because they exclusively do documentation, for example. Second, the fact that randi was a src committer means that she knows far more about what it means to be a FreeBSD src committer than someone who has never been involved with FreeBSD. And third, despite not being an active committer any more, randi is still a valued member of the FreeBSD community.
If she's been active on other stuff since then wouldn't it be more relevant to post a more recent e-mail address, domain or project?
I still use my email address from the university I graduated from 14 years ago. I also use lots of others. I'm sure randi has several email addresses too.
[–]qci 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 5日 前 (0子コメント)
I have very much respect towards everyone who contributes to FreeBSD.
I talked to Randi only once and she managed to turn the discussion into insults and man-hate within 3 posts (I have been talking about a totally different topic than FreeBSD).
Laughing about me "just being a FreeBSD user" and her "such a great committer" moved me to take a look what she did. About 200 LoC and the biggest commit reverted... in 2010 last commit?! You call this a committer? Come on, really.
Gender does not matter here. I like everyone who contributes. I haven't had any prejudices against Randi, until she began to insult me out of the blue. Now I've blocked her and she blocked me. Everything is fine again.
[–]F54280 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 7時間 前 (0子コメント)
randi is still a valued member of the FreeBSD community
Serious question: in what sense do you mean that ? What is randi currently doing for the freebsd community ?
Disclaimer: I post in KiA. I was a freebsd user -- from, well 2.0 to 6.0 inclusive -- and wanted to get into it again, but the activism of freebsdgirl last year + the complete lack of reaction from freebsd to the inclusion of the freebsd brand into the worst of online social justice made me reconsider. I know it is a stupid knee-jerk reaction, and never lack an occasion to point how great freebsd is, but I hardly think I am the only one like that.
[–]DStoo[S] 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 6日 前 (10子コメント)
First, if people don't know what having a @freebsd.org email address means, that's their fault
There are a lot of people that don't know that.
randi is still a valued member of the FreeBSD community.
Code of Conduct aside, what has she done? It's hard to find any good information on Google because it's littered with noise from both sides. I've searched the lists.freebsd.org and most of what I've seen is people asking Randi to stop pushing her agenda.
[–]xmjEE 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 6日 前 (0子コメント)
I linked them all for you in another reddit thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3areb8/drama_johannes_meixner_freebsd_contributor_to/csfn8nw
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[–]TweetsInCommentsBot 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 6日 前 (0子コメント)
@randileeharper
2014-11-19 19:25 UTC Or, better yet, leave the industry, so we can get more women like Iris to come back. We don't need your kind here. @tedneward
2014-11-19 19:25 UTC
Or, better yet, leave the industry, so we can get more women like Iris to come back. We don't need your kind here. @tedneward
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[–]emjrdev 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 6日 前 (0子コメント)
If you don't consent, your only course of action is to disavow FreeBSD.
[–]net_goblin 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 7日 前 (79子コメント)
Perhaps this Gamergate stuff spilling into other parts of the internet?
[–]DStoo[S] 37ポイント38ポイント39ポイント 7日 前 (78子コメント)
From the mailing list:
With this you are setting a dangerous precedent with this issue, where one individual can take more than 400 others hostage and force their - feminist, and beyond that, EXPLICITLY anti-male (cf. Attachments of the original post) - opinion on everyone else, regardless of their country of origin, their personal beliefs, and their own morals.
[–]trezor2 34ポイント35ポイント36ポイント 7日 前 (7子コメント)
So basically, this code of conduct probably intended to better the environment in which FreeBSD is developed and discussed (after complaints from 1, one!, SJW), is going to do the absolute opposite by creating needless internal polarization.
Great job. Good thing FreeBSD has enough resources already so that it can waste it on things like this, and compensate for the people who will be leaving over it.</sarcasm>
I'll have to reconsider my donations if this is how they're going to spend them.
Good job indeed.
[–]DStoo[S] 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 6日 前 (6子コメント)
E-mail them and tell them why. Actually the guy you need to talk to is the founder of What'sApp. He donated $1M last year because of how FreeBSD helped him out of where he was.
[–]xmjEE 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 6日 前 (5子コメント)
You know, I incorporated my third business yesterday, and I was planning on donating to the FreeBSD foundation this year..
I have already re-thought my plans for those budgeted funds, and allocated them elsewhere. :-)
[–]DStoo[S] 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 6日 前 (4子コメント)
E-mail them that.
[–]xmjEE 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 6日 前 (3子コメント)
Oh, it's okay. I'm staying in the BSD-family.
With a FreeBSD derivative, actually.
Let them come...
[–]angryfuck 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 6日 前 (2子コメント)
As someone that donates annually to FreeBSD because of Randi's mentor, I refuse to stop. I respect FreeBSD developers and I appreciate the foundation's work in removing obstacles and ensuring the developers can focus on the code.
I was tempted to contact Ed Maste (as he appears to be responsive regarding my last comments on donation). But I'm unsure if FreeBSD Foundation is involved or has any influence on the code of conduct (and frankly it shouldn't).
[–]xmjEE 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 6日 前 (0子コメント)
If I remember correctly, we discussed that there was work being done on that code of conduct during one of the many dinners at BSDCan.
And, for what it's worth - if you read my list post again, you'll find that I very much agree with the code of conduct as long as this very code of conduct protects my rights as an individual. If not, in the danger of repeating myself: it's not worth the paper it's written on.
I respect FreeBSD developers and I appreciate the foundation's work in removing obstacles and ensuring the developers can focus on the code.
Also:
+++
[+]net_goblin スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 7日 前 (69子コメント)
Appearently I'm too stupid to handle gpg, but by context I guess its about this randileeharper who wrote about “man tears” in response to this code of conduct. If thats all of it, then he's better trolling hard, because I had a couple conversations with xmj on IRC and he is no stranger to teasing. Needless to say I didn't share many of his views in those conversations, so if thats really all about it, I can't understand his reaction. I thought it'd take more than random twitter comments to drive a person like him away from a project.
[–]xmjEE 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 6日 前 (0子コメント)
I had a couple conversations with xmj on IRC and he is no stranger to teasing. Needless to say I didn't share many of his views in those conversations, so if thats really all about it, I can't understand his reaction.
Yeah, I'm no stranger to teasing.
There comes a moment, however, where teasing becomes hateful.
See the picture below:
http://i.imgur.com/feBbi0j.png
In case you're wondering what #misandry stands for:
Noun
misandry (usually uncountable, plural misandries)
Hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against men.
(from https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/misandry )
[–]DStoo[S] 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 7日 前 (59子コメント)
I thought it'd take more than random twitter comments to drive a person like him away from a project.
I wonder how many e-mails he's gotten from SJWs telling him Randi's opinion. He's probably fed up with the whole thing. I doubt it was just a twitter handle. (Does he even have twitter?)
[–]xmjEE 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 6日 前 (3子コメント)
I wonder how many e-mails he's gotten from SJWs telling him Randi's opinion.
None. I have heard kind words of support, for the most part.
Among the better ones was a god-fearing bi-sexual conservative "true Liberal" man.
I have also heard from many people whom /u/freebsdgirl targetted in the past, and from people who had considered FreeBSD before seeing her engagement with it.
[–]Yazahn 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 4日 前 (2子コメント)
It was explicitly because of Randi that I am not going to donate to the FreeBDD foundation. She has caused so much harm to so many people. I had my fill of bullying in grade school. I have no apetite for it as an adult, especially not the intellectual bullying she's so fond of.
[–]xmjEE 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 4日 前 (0子コメント)
I had my fill of bullying in grade school. I have no apetite for it as an adult, especially not the intellectual bullying she's so fond of.
I agree, me neither.
[–]net_goblin -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 7日 前 (54子コメント)
We are both speculating about the reasons at this point. But I still can't see the problem with the code of conduct itself, which looks sensible to me (I find it to be quite near the concept of common sense) and seems to annoy both sides of the twittersocial media drama, which may be another indication of its quality.
Edit: Change “twitter” to “social media”, as I also don't know if all parties use twitter.
[–]IE_5 31ポイント32ポイント33ポイント 6日 前* (6子コメント)
But I still can't see the problem with the code of conduct itself
The problem with some of these recent "Code of Conduct" pushes is that "social justice" activists have used them as entryism to be able to punish people for holding opinions they don't like, see for instance: http://contributor-covenant.org/ about the "pervasive cult of meritocracy"
This "Code of Conduct" for instance was created by the same person that started bullshit over at Opal: https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941
The Contributor Covenant was created by Coraline Ada Ehmke in 2014 and is released under an MIT license. Handshake icon created by George Pechtol from The Noun Project.
See here: http://where.coraline.codes/coraline_ehmke.pdf
It's basically a shakedown game for ideological control and seems to work this way:
1) Get offended by something someone in the Open Source community said (usually on Twitter or at an official event), demand they be removed or otherwise punished
2) Flood GitHub or similar with demands to remove said person and/or at least adopt a "Code of Conduct" to prevent such "despicable" behaviour in the future, which includes all Social media and official events
3) Once you shamed them enough and got a foot in the door push a self-formulated "Code of Conduct" on the project
4) Demand it be upheld and anyone that says anything you deem offensive be removed from the project, if it happens another time they can point to the "Code of Conduct" and ask the project to abide. A "safe space" has been created, they don't particularly give a shit if great software engineers get pushed out for disagreeing or the project fails afterwards because said people don't want to abide by Totalitarian ideology, after all "meritocracy" doesn't matter and "inclusivity" takes precedence over anything else.
Meritocracy is generally a trigger-word for these people, they absolutely hate it. Just bring it up in conversation and they reveal themselves and their agenda: https://archive.is/Szf41#selection-2861.0-2863.255
http://readwrite.com/2014/01/24/github-meritocracy-rug
It's a trojan horse that some people willingly let into their town because they think they are "helping" and are being "progressive", but as they soon find out the little fighters hidden inside come out at almost any little provocation or "offense" taken to solidify their stranglehold and they are usually enforced unevenly according to the tenets of "punching up" (usually against "straight white males") instead of "punching down" (women or anyone considered "diverse").
[–]ColePram 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 4日 前 (0子コメント)
I have a post that's semi-related to this you might find interesting. I saw this go down in the Ruby community not quite a month ago, this was my documentation of the same event you discussed.
https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/3afyn8/code_of_conduct/cscbz6k
[–]olddrifter 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 6日 前* (1子コメント)
This is a very accurate breakdown.
What you hint at, but don't directly say, is that once the Code of Conduct is in place, it is selectively enforced only against those who disagree with the far-left authoritarian politics of the Code of Conduct's creators, but not enforced against those who are obvious offenders on the other side of the fence.
A prime example is happening here in the FreeBSD community where you have an active contributor being demonized and bullied for his opinions, while Randi Harper's behavior continues to go unchallenged - in fact her negative behavior is reenforced as acceptable by the FreeBSD community's continued association with her while she antagonizes, threatens, shames, doxes, and bullies - all while painting herself as the victim and gloating publicly over her influence.
Mods at /r/BSD have fallen hook, line, and sinker for this act - they are now silencing all dissent and any critique of the Code of Conduct or Randi's behavior.
EDIT: It appears the mods at /r/BSD have come to their senses for now.
[–]jimmybrite 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 5日 前 (0子コメント)
Wait, is she the GamerGate list girl? She is no Better than Adolf Hitler in my opinion with her "lists".
[–]FakingItEveryDay 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 5日 前 (0子コメント)
After reading some of these things on certain feminists hatred of meritocracies I kind of like the Code of Conduct.
Their objection to meritocracy seems to be that "Because not everyone has the same advantages, the most qualified people shouldn't always get the job". But leveling the playing field to make sure everyone has the same advantage isn't the responsibility of an OSS organization or a business. That's the responsibility of schools, parents and political structures.
By including meritocracy in the CoC it recognizes that equality of opportunity is not their problem, they want the best people for the job. If that's true, I support them.
[–]net_goblin -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 6日 前 (1子コメント)
Thanks for your detailed explanation.
I think the word “meritocracy” makes this code of conduct acceptable for me. Basically this shouldn't be this entryism for those “SJWs” (as those people are frequently called; I do not like the word as it implies social justice was a bad thing, but that's another discussion which has no place here) you mentioned, which is why randi may be pissed about the code, as seen in your archive link (I happened to see the post, too, before it was deleted).
So I still think this is a good code of conduct because it is a compromise, and good compromises are shitty for both sides compromising, as we can see by this whole discussion.
[–]FakingItEveryDay 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5日 前 (0子コメント)
I think I agree. This code with the mention of meritocracy and "don't take things personally" seems to be a stand for the idea that the project shouldn't care about things other than code.
[–]DStoo[S] 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 7日 前 (40子コメント)
and seems to annoy both sides of the twitter drama, which may be another indication of its quality.
It annoys one side because it didn't go far enough. It was the FreeBSD admins trying to be moderate.
It annoys the other side because it wasn't needed. Drives away actual developers and doesn't need to exist.
I hope that the FreeBSD admins and community organizers know what they're doing. Soon you'll have no developers (Maybe they can go to FreerBSD) and a bunch of SJWs cheering at the changes from the sidelines.
Companies will likely stop committing back code. If this is the way they want to go I can easily see my company deciding not to roll changes back to main stream. They don't have to do it now but they do it to contribute to the project.
[–]xmjEE 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 6日 前 (2子コメント)
You can always levy pressure by commenting on the advocacy@ thread we're discussing here.
[–]DStoo[S] 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 6日 前 (1子コメント)
I saw it and wanted to post a cleaned up version of my posts here there. The problem with Reddit is what Randi replied with "tl;dr:". People don't want to put in the time to actually understand or discuss a problem they want to bandwagon on twitter. Unfortunately not everything can be summed up in a tweet. Sometimes to get an adult point across it takes more than 140 characters (and sometimes more than the 10,000 character limit of Reddit).
While I've never been active in the FreeBSD community I know 'who' the guys are. I'm used to citing sources and linking to factual evidence for both sides. I cut my teeth at 16 on Usenet and Slashdot and you couldn't get away with a twitter length message and be taken seriously. I signed up with an e-mail address and am still waiting on getting the e-mail to say I've been subscribed.
Feel free to crosspost anything I've said with a link here.
[–]xmjEE 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 6日 前 (0子コメント)
I signed up with an e-mail address and am still waiting on getting the e-mail to say I've been subscribed. Feel free to crosspost anything I've said with a link here.
I signed up with an e-mail address and am still waiting on getting the e-mail to say I've been subscribed.
You be patient and do that, please. I have a product to launch.
The firm I incorporated yesterday is the developing Ltd. (well, Osaühing because I'm in Estonia) behind
www.fractalcells.com
[–]net_goblin 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7日 前 (4子コメント)
Drives away actual developers and doesn't need to exist. Companies will likely stop committing back code.
And these are exact the conclusions I fail to understand. All we have is the reaction of xmj to a cause we're still speculating about, which is not enough for me to come to the same conclusion. And given that most companies have codes of conducts themselves (at least in Germany), I can't see why they would be driven away by the mere existance of another one.
It's not just XJM.
If I keep getting this kind of crap from this mailing list I'm going to withdraw from it and cease any personal advocacy for FreeBSD going forward through social media and professional contacts.
https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2015-July/004566.html
But seriously guys, please stop. I'm tire of getting notifications on my phone every five minutes just because a bunch of people have horrible and tasteless accusations to throw at eachother. Everyone, please, just stop it. I think I'm being reasonable here.
https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2015-July/004565.html
I dont know what the other side of this conflict (namely Randi) brings to the project, but a quick search shows me just a few commits against xmj's few hundreds. I wasnt aware FreeBSD project is a 'feminist project' that values keeping female contributors around despite their behavior over male contributors doing actual work, exposing the same type of behaviour (to be perfectly clear, xmj got into a 'fight' where he shouldnt, so I consider the blame to be shared here).
This backlash will land on FreeBSD's head.
[–]xmjEE 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 6日 前 (0子コメント)
This quote stems from a FreeBSD ports committer personally known to me, under an alternative email address.
[–]xmjEE 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 6日 前 (1子コメント)
All we have is the reaction of xmj to a cause we're still speculating about, which is not enough for me to come to the same conclusion.
Context:
http://imgur.com/a/q8Z1u
[–]net_goblin 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 6日 前 (0子コメント)
Thanks for sharing your context, that's what I were looking for. Now I understand your reaction better. I'm not trying to allocate blame, but to understand the reasoning of all sides.
[+]freebsdgirl スコアが基準値未満のコメント-38ポイント-37ポイント-36ポイント 6日 前* (31子コメント)
Drives away actual developers
Hi. I'm randi@freebsd.org. I run many open source projects. Tell me again about how we don't need a code of conduct, because we're all grownups here, right?
Edit: Oh, never mind. You're a redpiller. Literally the type of person being discussed in that email thread. lol. Have a nice life.
[–]SirNemesis 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 6日 前 (8子コメント)
This is why openbsd actually gets shit done, unlike freebsd. Not stuck tone-policing everything so a bunch of non-developers don't get their feelings hurt.
Of course keeping non-developers happy does have its bright sides. Openbsd doesn't have hot booth babes for us to objectify. :(
[+]freebsdgirl スコアが基準値未満のコメント-38ポイント-37ポイント-36ポイント 6日 前 (7子コメント)
Funny, that. Some of the best support I get from the BSD community comes from OpenBSD developers. ;)
[–]notgiving-name 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 6日 前* (2子コメント)
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/06/29/harping-on-the-hypocrisy-and-lies-of-twitters-most-notorious-anti-abuse-activist-randi-harper-part-1/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/07/02/the-fact-and-fiction-of-randi-harper/
[+]freebsdgirl スコアが基準値未満のコメント-28ポイント-27ポイント-26ポイント 6日 前 (1子コメント)
You're posting tabloids. Who cares?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/02/opinion/enlisting-bystanders-to-fight-online-abuse.html
Endorsed by the new york times editorial board. I think that has a bit more weight. ;)
[–]DStoo[S] 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 6日 前* (17子コメント)
Oh, never mind. You're a redpiller. Literally the type of person being discussed in that email thread. lol. Have a nice life.
You might want to check into that a bit deeper. Banned from both TRP, and TBP. Hang out mostly in /r/PurplePillDebate. If you actually read through my posts you might find you agree with me on some things. Lord knows the TRPers hate me, I tried to figure out how to make sure my son isn't one of them . I also can't stand TRP's shitty studies and loud mouth GLO. I even got a love letter when he got banned.
So I had to go make my own manosphere with Blackjakck and Hookers: /r/wolflionbear/.
You know what? I laughed at it made fun of him and moved on. Witch hunts always find witches and you're no different than the federal government is with their witch hunts. It's always the case of this bell curve.
I don't like Reddit much. I've always preferred short conversation (IRC) and long conversation (Usenet). It's why I hang out on the #SRS, #KotakuInAction, #reddit, #subredditdrama, #TrollChromosomes & #foreveralone.
You know who I've never seen there? You.. You just feel the need to go into other peoples quiet business and mess it up.
The one thing I learned from all the channels is all of them are pretty much the same. If all the listed groups would put aside their differences, drink over it it'd probably be one hell of a party. Instead they listen to the loudest idiots in their camp and you see the toxic shit spill out onto Reddit, people behave like demons here. There are people that would probably be good friends and maybe even date if they would have met in #weirdobscuregame instead of the /r/GamerGhazi and /r/KotakuInAction where they did..
[–]kzwrp 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 6日 前 (2子コメント)
Banned from both TRP, and TBP.
When I got banned from /r/TheRedPill, I received an invitation to the inner circle.
[+]freebsdgirl スコアが基準値未満のコメント-32ポイント-31ポイント-30ポイント 6日 前 (13子コメント)
attention whore
Oh, you're on KiA. well, that explains everything. :)
Good day.
[–]DStoo[S] 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 6日 前* (0子コメント)
Hi. I'm randi@freebsd.org. I run many open source projects.
Hi, I have many domains and contribute to many opensource projects. I do so under different names because I'm not an attention whore. (And mainly because the company I work for isn't OSS yet, so I have to do it under a pseudonym.) Dig through my post history, you might find I've contributed to a lot of different subreddits here, actual content and not bickering.
How many lines of code have you submitted? How active are you on the dev mailing list and channels? You post so much on twitter I would like to see where you have time to post more than a few lines of code. This just confirms my suspicions that you just did the minimal work to get a @freebsd.org e-mail address. Because at one time FreeBSD was the last pure "We just care how you code" project. Everything on FreeBSD just works. I wish I moved back years ago. You snuck in because they were genuinely nice developers and were willing to help anyone. You perverted their 'we don't care' attitude against them.
Now if you give me more than 5 minutes to type out a decent response I'll let my wife proof read my response. She's a woman in STEM. I'm in STEM. We might know a few things about what ya'll are whining about. Because it's getting old watching both sides talk past each other. In the mean time dig through my post history (and everyone else she's going to tweet this too), I'm tired of trying to sum my ideas on a subjects into 140 or even 10,000 post.s
Guess which one of 'these people' you are? on this bell curve.
[–]xmjEE 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 6日 前 (1子コメント)
seems to annoy both sides of the twittersocial media drama, which may be another indication of its quality.
Very much so.
Again, I'm not on anyone's side but my own. I'm in the middle of gamergate, and anti-gamergate.
Both sides are trying to frame me as something I am not.
[–]DStoo[S] -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 5日 前 (0子コメント)
You and me both, on multiple subjects.
[–]noreallyimthepope 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 6日 前 (3子コメント)
I find it to be quite near the concept of common sense We do not believe anyone should be treated any differently based on who they are
I find it to be quite near the concept of common sense
We do not believe anyone should be treated any differently based on who they are
Yeah, that's actually the opposite of common sense :-)
[–]net_goblin 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 6日 前 (2子コメント)
Why? I do not share many of xmjs political thoughts, but regardless of that I do value him as a contributor to the project. I don't think he should be treated diffently, and that is what the code of conduct says.
[–]noreallyimthepope 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 6日 前 (1子コメント)
If someone is an unmitigated bastard, I will treat them as an unmitigated bastard. I don't count politics as part of who people are, in most cases.
[–]net_goblin -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 6日 前 (0子コメント)
I agree that trolls and people poisoning interactions in the community cannot treated the same as regular community members, but isn't exactly that the aim of the code?
I now tend to agree with in xmj that the aggressive behavior of randi on twitter could be seen as a violation of the very code she advocated, but nevertheless I think thats less of a problem of the code itself.
Yes, I see the irony of a person pushing a code of conduct against hate and harassment and then posting pictures tagged with “misandry”, but I think /u/jdmulloy put it quite nicely. I also understand the frustration of xmj that the execution of the policies set by the code of conduct is quite poor (especially the answer of DES on the mailing list is… strange), but as with real law, bad enforcement doesn't make the law worse at it is.
[+]freebsdgirl スコアが基準値未満のコメント-31ポイント-30ポイント-29ポイント 6日 前 (7子コメント)
He's bitching about me making a 'male tears' comment after he's:
All of this and he's complaining about "male tears", a comment that wasn't even directed at him, but instead all of the dudes in the r/bsd thread that were talking about how code of conducts are bad.
Sooo... yeah. There's a reason that less than 2% of open source developers are women. It's because shit like this happens, and we're expected to stay quiet and just take it. I fought back, and I asked for a Code of Conduct, because core was not equipped to deal with this.
Now I'm seeing a bunch of people that aren't FreeBSD devs complain. With the exception of xmj, most of the other FreeBSD devs agree with me.
Incidentally, anyone that uses the term SJW non-ironically is probably not really worth anyone's time.
[–]olddrifter 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント 6日 前* (1子コメント)
Oh boy, here's Randi Harper once again presenting a completely skewed version of events, playing the victim, and using her supposed victimhood to excuse her own harassing, bigoted behavior.
In the time I have been aware of Randi I have seen her:
From Randi's post:
There's a reason that less than 2% of open source developers are women. It's because shit like this happens
*(Citation needed)
Randi Harper is what is known as an "equality of outcome" rather than "equality of opportunity" feminist. This style of feminism is based on the utterly rediculous belief that men and women have the same interests, motivations, and derive satisfaction from the same activities.
Because of this incorrect belief, Randi points to an unfalsifiable boogeyman "patriarchy" when gender parity is not found in any particular career field or hobby. She ignores the obvious reality that for decades men and women have had the exact same opportunities and protections in the western world, therefore, personal choice - not discrimination - is the most likely cause of disparities in gender representation when we find them in western culture.
It is worth noting that, in reality, Randi doesn't hold this mistaken belief - she knows that her new-found 'gender feminist' ideologue identity is a meritless grab for power and money - in fact she gave an interview just a few years ago, stating:
Any guesses as to why Randi changed her stance so much?
If FreeBSD truly believes in their recently adopted Code of Conduct, they will enforce it now and remove Randi Harper, her bullying, antagonizing, profiteering behavior, and the shitstorms that follow her across the internet, from the FreeBSD community.
[–]xmjEE 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 6日 前 (0子コメント)
Thank you for your kind words of support.
[–]notgiving-name 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 6日 前* (1子コメント)
harassed another FreeBSD dev, a trans woman.
Whom? Where's the proof?
Don't tell me Lillian Lemmer. He was helping her with hypatia. https://reviews.freebsd.org/D2896
I doubt she needs your drama or you to patronize her.
asked me for my home address right after I talked about being doxed by 8chan
Ostensibly to serve you legal process. Highly doubt he cares about stalking.
However, probably finds your incessant blaming of him insufferable. Who wouldn't?
posted to PUA/MRA blogs about me
Heartiste? So what, that's after your harassment campaign against Roissy. And you got heartiste banned from twitter! Why?
PUA
A guy studies how to sound more smooth and less creepy when he talks girl? What's the proper way?
posted an internal IRC log publicly after being told not to by other FreeBSD developers
I personally don't condone that. However, your behavior in that log was bullying.
You're barking of people's trees Randi. You don't even contribute to the project anymore. Why don't you go code something
[–]xmjEE 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 6日 前* (0子コメント)
Whom? Where's the proof? Because she is a Feminist, and Roissy and Her sit on opposing sites of the political spectrum.
I sit in the middle, and I contribute to, and collaborate with, whomever I deem appropriate contributing to.
EDIT: Accidently fsck'ed up the quote.
[–]xmjEE 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 6日 前 (0子コメント)
threatened me on Twitter
I said I was going to fight you until you stopped doing the very thing you advocated against. Yes, I got carried away.
Have you ever woken up to a false rape accusation?
I now have, thanks to you, /u/freebsdgirl
I said I was going to post it. I pulled the log down IMMEDIATELY after @bsdimp aka Warner Losh, Marketing Team FreeBSD, asked for it.
Yes. The United States' First Amendment grants me freedom of expression.
talked to a tabloid writer/"journalist" about me
Again, constitutionally protected right.
My lawyer said he would need it to deliver a cease-and-desist.
Obviously, given that the domain of that tool you use is not privacy-protected, I now have it.
Your OpSec could need some improvement.
I worked with Lillian on hypatia, and tried out the game engine they were working on. It was all fun and games until Lillian figuratively shoved their dick into my face, and they did that in private. So until you mentioned this issue, nobody would have cared.
[–]xmjEE 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 6日 前 (0子コメント)
Keep talking.
I'm screencapping this. My lawyer will love you.
[–]DStoo[S] 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 6日 前* (0子コメント)
Was that the swatting that you faked?
Also, if you are as pro-women's rights as you claim, why did you register codersluts.net?
https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2003-April/000197.html
You added one line here: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.cfg?r1=209778&r2=209777&pathrev=209778
I've dug through most of your FreeBSD lists posts and I can't find much content at all. Either you Doxxed yourself or doxxed someone else: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2015-February/264010.html
People have already said Your personal feud has nothing to do with FreeBSD. Please stop spamming this mailing list's membership over it..
You did discuss getting American Lipstick
[+]steven_h スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 6日 前 (4子コメント)
They were needed ten years ago. Twelve years ago, in fact.
http://osdir.com/ml/os.freebsd.chat/2003-02/msg00038.html
[–]olddrifter 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 5日 前 (3子コメント)
So you found one instance in twelve years that was long ago resolved without a code of conduct as evidence that FreeBSD now desperately needs one?
[–]steven_h -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 5日 前 (2子コメント)
There was a code of conduct, clearly, and Matthew Dillon violated it. That is why his commit rights were revoked.
Also you clearly have zero knowledge of FreeBSD if you call this just "one instance." It's probably one of the more contentious chapters in the project's history, and DragonflyBSD exists today as a direct result.
[–]olddrifter 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 5日 前 (1子コメント)
You caught me - I freely admit that I have never even heard of Matthew Dillon.
I'll have to look it up. My point wasn't about the details, I was trying to understand your reasoning behind pointing out a decade-plus-old (resolved) event and the need for FreeBSD's new code of conduct.
[–]steven_h -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 5日 前 (0子コメント)
All the same meritocracy vs. teamwork vs. developer comfort vs. coddling bleeding heart arguments came up, only back in those days people used email with actual paragraphs instead of tweets with emoji.
Also, the parties involved were careful to avoid airing dirty laundry at all, instead of trying to ruin each other's lives in public. These days it's understandable to be more up front about behavioral expectations, since everything turns into name calling, rape threats, queer-theory-inspired non sequiturs, doxxing, and swatting.
[–]trezor2 76ポイント77ポイント78ポイント 7日 前 (13子コメント)
Reading this and this, I would have to say the most appropriate response to this code of conduct would be...
You’ve made your bed, now get fucked in it
Seriously. What's up with that woman?
[–]DStoo[S] 67ポイント68ポイント69ポイント 7日 前 (9子コメント)
It's profitable.
This is no different than the mentality that led people to mega churches. People want to hear what they like, hear bad things about people they don't and throw money at the person standing on stage.
Now that the younger generation is moving to athiesm it's not like those types of people will go away, they'll just change their platform.
Witch hunts are nothing new, they just come up with new names for witches.
[–]trezor2 29ポイント30ポイント31ポイント 7日 前 (4子コメント)
$3300 a month? WTH.
Is there a report button somewhere to get abusive accounts like this banned?
[–]Armagetiton 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 7時間 前 (0子コメント)
If it makes you feel any better, the majority of that money comes from a clique of other patreon users paying each other so they get higher visibility on the site. It's a network of "I'll donate to your patreon if you donate to mine".
[–]olddrifter 40ポイント41ポイント42ポイント 6日 前* (0子コメント)
Many have reported Randi's behavior to Patreon, however, they choose to selectively enforce their Code of Conduct. Apparently FreeBSD has a similar policy.
[–]DStoo[S] 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 7日 前 (0子コメント)
Patreon gets their cut. Why would they ever do that?
[–]xmjEE 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 6日 前 (0子コメント)
I live in Estonia, where the average gross salary for skilled developers -- with qualifications way beyond Randi's publicly listed ones -- is somewhere between $1500 and $2500.
So yeah.
[–]dhdfdh 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 7日 前 (0子コメント)
Well, there's a church for that.
[+]thewrongstuff95 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10ポイント-9ポイント-8ポイント 6日 前 (1子コメント)
I wouldn't really compare this to mega churches. Mega churches mostly appeal to uplifting ideologies as opposed to hateful messages. At least that is my limited knowledge of them.
[–]DStoo[S] 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 6日 前 (0子コメント)
Mega churches mostly appeal to uplifting ideologies as opposed to hateful messages.
Hate the gays, hate the blacks, hate the immigrants, hate the Muslims, hate the _______.
[+]net_goblin スコアが基準値未満のコメント-18ポイント-17ポイント-16ポイント 7日 前 (2子コメント)
I've read some of the breitbart stuff in the past and I did not like its style. I found it as selective as the “opponents” it likes to critizise, and those two linked articles look like a personal campaign to me.
So TIL two equally stupid groups of people use social media to shit on each other and if a project introduces a code of conduct to keep this bullshit out, everybody goes cracy like “the core team sides with the other ones!”. With that, I return to being disinterested into people on the internet and their twitter/reddit/tumblr/… drama.
[–]DStoo[S] 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 6日 前 (1子コメント)
With that, I return to being disinterested into people on the internet and their twitter/reddit/tumblr/… drama.
The problem with that "twitter" drama is spilling into the "real life" of some people.
Twitter is turning into the pillory for this generation. So you've been publicly shamed is a great book about what has been going on[0]. NPR also has a short talk about it and the NY times also has 2 good reviews written by different people. They're quite different and I'll let you reach your own conclusions.
The conclusion of the first one is:
And that social media has made people afraid, Mr. Ronson thinks, to speak freely, lest they inadvertently become targets for some crazy reason. Its anonymity magnifies groupthink, and it lets us forget one victim as we move on to the next. A Gawker writer who savaged one woman told Mr. Ronson in the book that she’d be fine — eventually. “Everyone’s attention span is so short. They’ll be mad about something new today.”
The problem is this is now spilling into FreeBSD and FreeBSD developers. Given the opinions I've given so far on both sides I would be fearful of my career if I posted my full name. I certainly wouldn't be contributing publicly to the FreeBSD source code. Right now I contribute to smaller projects under pseudonyms because of my job and fear of retribution if I disagree with the groupthink in another medium.
This same 'movement' just recently spilled onto Slashdot and then it was tweeted about negatively when most of the Slashdotters brought up legitimate concerns and questions.
I know that /r/freebsd, forums.freebsd.org, and lists.freebsd.org might have been sheltered from what has been going on in other places of the Internet but it's reached a critical mass such that people not related to FreeBSDTM at all are forming opinions on it based on 140 characters on Twitter. And having that -@freebsd.org e-mail address gives a lot of legitimacy to people totally unrelated to it.
Both sides of the drama are 'doxxing' people by typing their name into Google. For the old gray beards that grew up with this stuff it's not technically difficult to find people any more, it's what they do with that information. They've taken to contacting peoples places of employment because of some opinion they shared online if it disagreed with theirs. That's why a lot of us are concerned about the new guard as much as the old guard and having a place for completely free speech (free as in freedom, not free as in beer). Now the Internet has become a place where you can have your real life affected if you disagree with the new guard.
People are ruining each others lives over 140 characters on Twitter. So while you may be disinterested in people on the internet if you release your real name and disagree with them, expect a deluge of people trying to actively ruin your life and career.
@Spacekatgal
2015-07-14 22:09 UTC I read all 300 toxic questions for my @slashdot interview, here are the ones I can answer Yes, I like peanut M&Ms http://m.slashdot.org/story/296685
2015-07-14 22:09 UTC
I read all 300 toxic questions for my @slashdot interview, here are the ones I can answer
http://m.slashdot.org/story/296685
[–]sewot 43ポイント44ポイント45ポイント 7日 前 (0子コメント)
Few of us already said "fuck this, I'm done".
[–]notgiving-name 43ポイント44ポイント45ポイント 7日 前 (7子コメント)
The feedback is tremendously great by the way. People who are outsiders who have no involvement in the project are happy with the code of conduct!
I'm not involved in the FreeBSD community, even if it might change in the future. Like other people, I only subscribed to the ML to stay up to date. As a result, I have a very detached point of view on the situation. The whole communication about all this is a disaster: it convinced me to give myself some time to think before getting more involved. I'm probably not the only one to feel that way. The whole Code of conduct idea is really great. It's too bad that people in charge of it have such selective, fixed ideas of what may or may not hurt people. I expect them to be overcome their own personal views on that matter; that's why they are here.
Source: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.advocacy/5410 (https://archive.is/6mo39)
Thanks FreeBSD Core members, for making the project more palatable to the peanut gallery!
I'll be sure not to mouth off any political viewpoints on twitter! Don't want to make non-FreeBSD developers in hiding in twitter and mailing lists angry!
BSDCons, no sex jokes since I'm a white man! I don't want to lose my job! Even if girls can get away with anything! I guess I should just tolerate it. #nomaletears!
[–]MentlegenOh 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 7時間 前 (0子コメント)
No, it's fine, you can joke all you want, as long as it's the kind of joke Randi Harper likes.
[–]DStoo[S] 37ポイント38ポイント39ポイント 7日 前* (5子コメント)
You left out the best part: "Many people, men and women, feminist or not, disagree with this kind of communication. As a male, feminist, pro-LGBT individual, I do."
People couldn't get systemd into FreeBSD but they appeased the peanut gallery.
That whole thread is entertaining: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2015-July/thread.html
I - as a male - feel not only not tolerated, but also discriminated against, There are approximately 400 active committers, and not even five of those are women. How the hell can you claim to be discriminated against when you are part of a 99% majority?
I - as a male - feel not only not tolerated, but also discriminated against,
There are approximately 400 active committers, and not even five of those are women. How the hell can you claim to be discriminated against when you are part of a 99% majority?
Apparently you can't be discriminated against as a major.
I shall immediately cease all public contributions to the FreeBSD project, including but not limited to /r/theredpill is ---> thataway. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
I shall immediately cease all public contributions to the FreeBSD project, including but not limited to
/r/theredpill is ---> thataway. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Lol. So now disagreeing with people means straight to /r/TheRedPill. Most people on the FreeBSD mailing list have no clue what Reddit is nor do they care.
OP posted a perfect followup:
With this you are setting a dangerous precedent with this issue, where one individual can take more than 400 others hostage [Wonder who that one individual was] and force their - feminist, and beyond that, EXPLICITLY anti-male (cf. Attachments of the original post) - opinion on everyone else, regardless of their country of origin, their personal beliefs, and their own morals.
What do you think is going to happen?
That across all times, I have been the first to suffer this treatment? That I will be the last?
FreeBSD thinks it is an open and inclusive community. I have had the chance of working with a few very bright, female, contributors, who have not yet been brought into the project. They will be, and they will happily join the ranks of ports and source committers.
But they too will be wondering... What if they express any opinion that does not conform to the main party line? Will they have to give up their commit bits as well? Should they even speak up against any deficits and serious nuisances, if they are doomed to be silenced and spoken down to, for having that opinion and making it public?
[–]notgiving-name 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 7日 前 (4子コメント)
Nice catch. Please archive.
That is white knighting. Whether your redpill or not, other men see the lack of integrity you have.
Being a total shill with 0 self-perception and hanging innocent people...
Watch @xmj get crucified.
FreeBSD has fallen to social justice warriors.
You know not what you do, FreeBSD core team. You're enabling the bad guys. We didn't need a code of conduct!
We're ok! We can manage ourselves already!
[–]DStoo[S] 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 7日 前 (3子コメント)
FreeBSD has fallen to social justice warrior.
Singular. I can only imagine who that was.
And I just got back into FreeBSD after the whole systemd debacle. I guess it's time to start playing around with OpenBSD. And if they get to Theo I'll eat a hat.
[–]SirNemesis 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 6日 前 (1子コメント)
Fat chance haha. They'll get Linus torvalds to follow a code of conduct before they can get Theo de raadt to stop his rants.
[–]daemonpenguin 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 6日 前 (0子コメント)
Linus Torvalds introduced the Linux "Code of Conflict" earlier this year.
[–]trezor2 -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 7日 前 (0子コメント)
It almost sounds line someone should start a free open source BSD-based operating system where merits is more important than PC SJW politics.
How about it, eh? Oh wait.
[–]jdmulloy 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 7日 前 (0子コメント)
The code of conduct itself seems fine to me. I think it's silly to hate it because you don't like the reason (you believe) it came about. Treat it like code, judge it by it's own merit and not how you feel about those involved in it's creation.
[–]nerfyoda 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7日 前 (22子コメント)
I don't understand all the hate on this. It boils down to "don't be a dick". What's the big deal?
[–]dhdfdh 43ポイント44ポイント45ポイント 7日 前 (0子コメント)
I think your second sentence violates the code.
[–]olddrifter 52ポイント53ポイント54ポイント 6日 前* (0子コメント)
I don't understand all the hate on this. It boils down to "don't be a dick" "don't be what Randi Harper considers a dick". What's the big deal?
Fixed that for you.
[–]DStoo[S] 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 7日 前 (19子コメント)
How much of the whole GamerGate, SJW uprising do you know about?
Some people are isolated from it by what they subscribe to on Reddit or elsewhere. I can't imagine there is a lot of cross over between /r/FreeBSD and /r/GamerGhazi or /r/KotakuInAction.
[–]nerfyoda 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 7日 前 (18子コメント)
I know quite a bit about it, but I don't how it's relevant to FreeBSD's code of conduct. "Don't be a dick" codified into a contract is a good thing. Would everyone here still be mad about this if there were no such things as GG, SJWs, TRP, etc.?
[–]braytowk 49ポイント50ポイント51ポイント 6日 前 (17子コメント)
Its mainly because the one person who really pushed for it has a history of harassing people they don't like off the internet for even slightly disagreeing with them.
[+]meeu スコアが基準値未満のコメント-30ポイント-29ポイント-28ポイント 6日 前 (3子コメント)
So ad hominem then? A good policy put forth by a bad person is still a good policy.
[–]braytowk 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 5日 前 (0子コメント)
Its not an ad hominem as its not a personal attack on their character, its a statement of fact that is connected towards what the Code of Conduct is meant to prevent.
[+]freebsdgirl スコアが基準値未満のコメント-76ポイント-75ポイント-74ポイント 6日 前* (12子コメント)
Another KiA poster. :)
Call a spade a spade: KiA is one of the subreddits that will likely get shut down for harassment. Check out
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/search?q=randi+harper&restrict_sr=on&sort=new&t=all
also search for: Anita Sarkeesian, Zoe Quinn. Or any of the other women they are targeting. It's led to offsite harassment, such as employers and conference organizers being emailed. Do you even run FreeBSD, or are you just here to complain about "SJWs"?
[–]Couldbegigolo 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 5時間 前 (0子コメント)
LoL your posts, twitter and more has more harassment inn it than kia ever had or fph had. Stop being a troll, no one enjoys you.
[–]DStoo[S] 47ポイント48ポイント49ポイント 6日 前 (2子コメント)
Do you even run FreeBSD.
I do. Do you even run FreeBSD? You stopped contributing code 3 years ago. I can't find a single commit that has your name on it.
[–]MonkahBoy 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 8時間 前 (1子コメント)
Comeback of the year award? Holy shit.
[–]braytowk 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 5日 前 (1子コメント)
Actually, yes I do for goofy little coding things and such. I'm in no way an expert on programming or anything of the like nor do I have the skills to apply to helping the project but I do enjoy using the OS.
Also, yes, I've posted in KiA I think maybe twice? I also watched as you harassed people, who've done much more work furthering the cause of getting women into tech fields than you ever came close to and either because of jealousy or because you're nothing more than a wannabe social justice advocate with no real knowledge of Social Justice, you harassed them out of their fields to the point they stopped.
I don't care about your politics, I don't care about you ironically using 'male tears'. What I do care about your abusive pattern and controlling behavior being bad news for any program or group of people you jump into.
A code of conduct is always a good idea as it gives the community a standing point to oust people who only cause problems, but I seem to remember a couple months back you were actually being asked to stop using FreeBSD in your name for specifically that reason. However, like people, you'll likely abuse that as well.
[–]Wraith978 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 2時間 前* (0子コメント)
Amazing. Good concise description of why moderation on the internet is a divisive problem.
Harper is one of the most toxic people I've had the pleasure of interacting with on the internet. Edit: Yes I am an evil misogynist racist GG KIA person /s
[–]AlexarothUK 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 8時間 前 (1子コメント)
non KIA poster and dev here, please let me know what recent contributions you've had to freeBSD, because I can't really seem to recall your name at all
[–]LongDistanceEjcltr 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 8時間 前 (1子コメント)
KiA is one of the subreddits that will likely get shut down for harassment.
You wish.
[–]MonkahBoy 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 8時間 前 (0子コメント)
Harper, have you ever considered that perhaps, if the only communities that support you are the ones that will ban their users for doing otherwise-- that maybe you aren't actually so likeable?
Regardless of KiA, GamerGate affiliations, or whatever else, I have yet to see any community have a remotely positive view on your character without it also having rules to ban anyone who disagreed with it.
[–]TotesMessenger 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7時間 前 (0子コメント)
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[+]jajajajaj スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 6日 前 (0子コメント)
I haven't read everything either of these people ever said, but unless you cried when you read the code of conduct, I think it's safe to assume she wasn't talking about you. That's just reading context.
[–]TotesMessenger -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 11時間 前 (0子コメント)
[+]freebsdgirl スコアが基準値未満のコメント-78ポイント-77ポイント-76ポイント 6日 前 (11子コメント)
Let me tell you how shocked I am that a subreddit not run by FreeBSD has a bunch of people that don't like CoC in it. So shocked.
[–]DStoo[S] 57ポイント58ポイント59ポイント 6日 前 (8子コメント)
The FreeBSD project has always had a code of conduct. It was simple. Judge each other on each others code.
Judge each other on each others code.
That's it. It's why the project works like it does. I'm sure there are a lot of people I disagree with ideologically contribute to a lot of stuff I use. Someone's personal life shouldn't dictate how good of a coder they are.
telnet irc.reddit.com 6667 nick DSToo USER DSToo 8 * : DSToo JOIN #soapbox PRIVMSG #soapbox
TapTapTap. Is this mic on? Please Randi, retweet this. I've been looking for an audience.
[Back to my bell curve] I've been around these 'internet things' for a while. It's getting old watching both sides talk past each other on everything. So people on both sides that are going to read this, please stop listening to the loudest idiots on both sides.
Some times a little anonymity is good, judge people by who they are not the baggage that comes with their name Like I said, if #GamerGhazi and #KotakuInAction would have met in #weirdobscuregame instead of where they did they would probably be good friends and maybe even date if they would just shut up about non-important stuff for long enough to talk.. They aren't tied to the persona of who they are.
If you want to go back with a new account to troll there is no 'account' to create, just /r/nick. Slashdot had Anonymous Coward accounts. Stop leaning on who you are and start making people listen to you based on the content you actually create.
/r/nick
You guys have already tried to take Slashdot, one of the last places where people just want to discuss tech. Most people there didn't care. We're just old gray beard fucks that want to be left in peace and discuss tech in a place with better (IMHO) moderation than Reddit. But you've now stuck your stick in a few too many bee hives[1].
That's what gets most of our attention and by proxy the attention of our wives. It's the the audience you guys and reddit are both inching towards, the 28-50 female, college educated demographic since it's the most profitable. I've already sat down and had hours long conversations with my wife about everything on all sides of Gamer Gate, The Pills, etc. She's a woman in STEM. If you think you're going to go up against actual women in STEM you better know they know how to read studies and cite sources, they're not going to fall for your bandwagon bull shit because they don't tweet, barely Facebook and are doing stuff like working and raising kids.
So assume everything you post on the internet is going to be there forever. There was no Delete button on Usenet. If you say something people are going to use it against you. Stop giving them stuff. Because Reddit and Twitter added delete buttons solutions like Archive.is sprung up. Because when someone intelligent wants to know who you are the first thing they're going to do is search for your name. You have enough baggage that most intelligent people are going to see through the bull shit. It doesn't mean they're gamergate or redpill it means they can see what you write. That's when your words have to stand on their own.
But I digress, on FreeBSD you even have guys trying to put a blanket on the fire (I don't know how some of them are so patient)
All I am saying is dont feed the troll, and most of all, dont let the immature actions of one individual sabotage valuable work to an important cause. There are a lot of personality types involved here, and just because you dont like them as a friend isnt what this is all about. If you dont like them, dont talk to them, simple as that. Personal attacks have no place here. And yes, Randi, those are personal attacks, no matter how much you try to intellectualize them.
People that, despite all this, are willing to judge you by the content of your code. Start over. Make up a new name. Never mention GamerGate again and break into some open source project completely new. Make everyone forget who you are and start over. Right now you're just grandstanding for your audience. If you want to troll us all, get AMD drivers working in FreeBSD and in a year come back and say "Ha, it was me all along". You mention you're a coder, you don't have much published under your real name so I just assume you have a pseudonym but can't find anything. (And no, a few lines in Perl is what I wrote to automate something at work, that wasn't OSS worthy).
And at this point:
If you're really looking for something to code. I have a project idea. Thinking of mocking it up in Python if you'd be interested in contributing. Basically a full discussion STACK that went from short live (IRC), to short semi-permanent (Twitter) to Long form (Slashdot/Usenet/Email). with moderation. It needs to be an RFC and then everyone can spin up their own instance like Forums. Reddit and Slashcode are too unreadable to be easy.
You want to get more women into STEM? I have a ton of female friends in STEM. Quit the bull shit you're doing now and get your bandwagon to get companies to change their policies. That's something twitter is great at, bullying companies. Not bullying bullying one person.[0]
And if you really just want to stir up trouble, please break into OpenBSD. I would pay good money to subscribe to you and Theo going at it on IRC. Hell I'd watch it on Twitch.
[0]. NYTimes (a source you respect) wrote a book review of "So you've been publicly shamed".
So what does he learn? That even the toughest advocates of old-fashioned shaming techniques think their tactics pale beside social media. And that social media has made people afraid, Mr. Ronson thinks, to speak freely, lest they inadvertently become targets for some crazy reason. Its anonymity magnifies groupthink, and it lets us forget one victim as we move on to the next. A Gawker writer who savaged one woman told Mr. Ronson in the book that she’d be fine — eventually. “Everyone’s attention span is so short. They’ll be mad about something new today.”
Stop doing it. To both sides. NPR had a great story on it too.
[1]. If you don't think that FreeBSD will cut you loose you need to really start contributing a lot of code and stop attacking big developers.
[–]endomorphosis 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 1日 前 (3子コメント)
https://www.reddit.com/r/BSD/comments/3dapyn/freebsd_core_team_publishes_the_freebsd_code_of/ct4xqly
[–]DStoo[S] 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 1日 前 (2子コメント)
"There doesn't seem to be anything there".
Sure that comment isn't shadow banned?
[–]endomorphosis 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 1日 前 (0子コメント)
Yep, its not as if she personally threatened me with assault, after you tried to shake down OSCON for those diversity dollars, I wonder if the code of conduct should include breaking the law.
https://storify.com/endomorphosis/randi-oscon-shakedown
https://archive.is/CD82P
http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/163.275
http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/646.090
[–]09111989 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間 前 (0子コメント)
"There doesn't seem to be anything there". Sure that comment isn't shadow banned?
This might be the explanation:
I'm removing the discussions which wander into politics. Let's keep the discussion here focused on BSD and technical issues.
[+]freebsdgirl スコアが基準値未満のコメント-69ポイント-68ポイント-67ポイント 6日 前 (3子コメント)
tldr. blocked on twitter after you tried to ping me there. g'bye :)
[–]DStoo[S] 41ポイント42ポイント43ポイント 6日 前* (2子コメント)
tldr.
No. It's not too long. There is no 'tl:dr;" for some adult conversations.
It's exactly what you need to hear. Sometimes conversation requires more than 140 characters. You just went on a rant on twitter that took more than 140 characters. There are mediums for conversation like that. Not in 140 character snippets. Reddit allows 10k characters.
blocked on twitter after you tried to ping me there. g'bye :)
Blocked by both /u/freebsdgirl and /u/gaylubeoil in the same week as I signed up for twitter. Entertaining that you guys hate each other so much.
Edit: And since you blocked me on twitter I guess you'll have hear about my opinion on a medium that has a 10k character limit.
You don't get to argue "nuh uh, not freedom of speech violation" in 140 characters because you don't seem to understand the difference between the government's 1st amendment freedom of speech and the humanistic freedom of expression.
You can censor people without violating their 1st amendment. You can violate someone's 1st amendment rights without censoring them. You can also violate someone's first amendment right AND censor them. It seems most people, including yourself and your followers, don't have any clue what the differences are.
Popehat is right: http://popehat.com/2015/06/10/two-kinds-of-freedom-of-speech-or-strangeloop-vs-curtis-yarvin/
[–]xmjEE 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 6日 前 (1子コメント)
I chuckled at the name, who is the second one?
[–]DStoo[S] 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 6日 前 (0子コメント)
He is a prolific /r/theredpill poster. He has a twitter: https://twitter.com/gaylubeoil. He plans on 'making it' in the Manosphere blogging space by selling T-shirts and offering Skype "help" over Skype.
He's a 22 year old russian expat body builder. He actually just posted a great summary of who he wants to be:
If you look at the manosphere in its current state you have literal fat neckbeards like Dean Esmay (mis)representing MRAs. You have Roosh who comes across as borderline autistic on Dr. Oz. Then you have PUAs who are caricatures of themselves. I honestly think I can do a better job. My content is fun and entertaining, to where even my opposition openly admits to enjoying it. I am in excellent shape and convay masculinity better than other sphere writers. Plus my content moves TRPers away from anger phase and towards positive male leadership
If you look at the manosphere in its current state you have literal fat neckbeards like Dean Esmay (mis)representing MRAs. You have Roosh who comes across as borderline autistic on Dr. Oz. Then you have PUAs who are caricatures of themselves.
I honestly think I can do a better job. My content is fun and entertaining, to where even my opposition openly admits to enjoying it. I am in excellent shape and convay masculinity better than other sphere writers. Plus my content moves TRPers away from anger phase and towards positive male leadership
He also took it a bit personally when I banned him from my own sub
[–]notgiving-name 42ポイント43ポイント44ポイント 6日 前* (1子コメント)
When were your latest commits?
What is your relevancy to FreeBSD in the here and now? Do you still have a commit bit?
edit: She's fast (https://archive.is/0ojBx)
[+]freebsdgirl スコアが基準値未満のコメント-78ポイント-77ポイント-76ポイント 6日 前 (0子コメント)
what's your name, soldier?
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