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[–]2 Endorsed ContributorCisWhiteMaelstrom 94ポイント95ポイント  (22子コメント)

“Money is more important than women. Chase money, not women. You are more likely to get women chasing money than you are to get money chasing women. Without money or godlike genetics, you’re playing on hard mode. Money makes everything better, the quality of woman you can get is the epitome of such, not the exception.”

Trying to attract a woman is just gonna get her to respect you less. If you're trying to attract one then every second you fail is evidence that you're not preselected. Merely trying shows that you've got no women interested right now, trying and not succeeding or not immediately succeeding makes you look like a fool. People think that when they're ready to exit monk mode or get in the game, they'll just decide one day that their abs are good enough and they'll go for it, find some slut or easy chick, and work their way up. That's not how it works though.

What happens is that you focus on your own shit until you get pulled into the game. Maybe some chick notices you texting about guitar and wants to hear you play. You shrug and let her listen to you practice since it's no skin off your back and next thing you know you're laid, preselected, and out of monk mode. Women want a man with a mission. It could be getting money, getting swole, playing music, or whatever, it just can't be her. She's gonna want to submit beside you while you pursue that. You've just gotta watch where your going and let your periphery vision handle the women. Can't ever focus directly on them or else you're gonna crash.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

Great explanation, I especially liked this part:

You've just gotta watch where your going and let your periphery vision handle the women. Can't ever focus directly on them or else you're gonna crash.

This is what I'm always saying (in sentiment, not verbatim) and yet often guys won't grasp it.

Young guys are particularly prone to saying "what's the point if not to get girls?"

I guess when you're inexperienced you have to miss the forest for the trees enough times to finally notice the forest.

[–]thefisherman1961 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The point is to make yourself the best you can be. The women will follow. Every girl I've been with, that's been the case. And it all began when I was in high school. I finally said enough is enough: stopped playing video games, started losing weight, and lifting.

[–]Asoka11111 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is a very good answer to the question "When can I come out of monk mode?" Expect to be referenced in a future post.

[–]keotan 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

And let's not forget that pursuing money doesn't necessarily imply happiness. The stoïcs say it, external things like fame and money can't bring happiness. There is more to life than making money to bang sluts, and this is where I agree with you because "making money to bang sluts" reeks of a need of validation.

Do your things for yourself, don't pursue anything too hard while thinking "when I'll get this, I'll finally be happy" because this will never happen.

[–]RPmatrix 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Do your things for yourself, don't pursue anything too hard while thinking "when I'll get this, I'll finally be happy" because this will never happen.

This is SO important, for IF you DO achieve your 'goals' (esp if they're significant)unless they are 'personally satisfying' you can hit the dreaded "now what?"

And all the money in the world doesn't cure the depression that can come from success.

Alexander the Great had this problem after conquering the world

Life is to me, all about the journey, not the destination aka death!

I like the challenges, I like the chase, I get easily bored doing things I don't care for, and 'making money' is one of those, I do something I like to do and money comes by default (of course I must put in effort, just like learning RP ideas, but it's 'easy' because I enjoy doing it)

[–]dalovindj 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Alexander's lament, misquoted in Die Hard, wasn't that 'there were no more worlds to conquer'. It comes from Plutarch. After being told that there were infinite worlds, he was depressed because he hadn't even been able to fully conquer just one.

Alexander cried when he heard Anaxarchus talk about the infinite number of worlds in the universe. One of Alexander's friends asked him what was the matter, and he replied, "There are so many worlds, and I have not yet conquered even one."

[–]RPmatrix 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

who said anything about quoting 'die hard'?

However, point taken, it seems I was in error, and I appreciate the quality correction

This mistake of mine reminds me of the word "nonplussed" and how people misuse it

[–]dalovindj 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

'Die Hard' was just the source of me misquoting it for years, and I assume is the only interaction with the quote that large swaths of the US population have had.

When I looked it up and found out that Hans Gruber mangled the quote and the intent, I actually thought it was kind of a cool character point. His version was 'When Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer.' Hans isn't as smart as he thinks, despite his classical education, and not only could he not conquer the world, he couldn't even conquer Nakatomi plaza. I think it adds a nice bit of hubris and weakness to an otherwise confident and commanding character.

I also like to know when I have an incorrect knowledge of something, so I was just sharing to help.

I do agree, though, with the general concept of 'What now?' Happiness can be elusive, even for the wealthy and powerful. 'Seek wealth and power, but don't let your happiness depend upon it', is definitely good advice. It is perfectly possible to be wealthy and powerful and get laid a lot and still be miserable.

In a way, the true nature of the Alexander quote actually supports the idea more effectively. Despite being hugely powerful, one of the most powerful men in history, he was still unhappy because he wasn't powerful enough.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

An important corollary. Might be worth adding.

[–]hb8only 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

by my experience, just lift and dress well and when results are going to be visible, the girls are comming.. there are so many guys without any mission, without any dream, just working out, working some low job, having nice face and body, every weekend getting drunk and watching football / soccer games.. thats all.. and still f-ing a lot of pretty girls.. girls dont give a damn about your mission...

[–]dongpal 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I didnt work for 7 months, am poor and live in my mother basement. And I got a hot 18 year old cutie, thanks to my good clothes and body (and TRP knowledge). Since I had a lot of time I went to gym 6 times a day. We always go to her house because she has a terrace and garden.

she loves my arms

[–]hb8only 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

exactly! And you are not alone.. many guys know that.. you don't need to voluntee in orphan house, help animals, be entrepreneur.. just look good men and girls will want you

[–]bodybuildingdentist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

... six times a day? Sounds absurd and a waste of time. I do HIIT in the morning and lift after work and that's plenty enough for me to be swole as fuck.

[–]RedSugarPill 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

What happens is that you focus on your own shit until you get pulled into the game. Maybe some chick notices you texting about guitar and wants to hear you play. You shrug and let her listen to you practice since it's no skin off your back and next thing you know you're laid, preselected, and out of monk mode.

This is huge. Every incel, beta, and omega needs to internalize this, and get their focus on. Great words, sir!

[–]NidStyles 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very good reply, and I think you hit on a portion that most dudes don't understand. The game will be drawn around you once you are worth the effort of playing. Women control the board. It's exactly like the game of chess. The only way to truly win is to move like the King, one step at a time and take your fucking time to dedicate it to yourself.

[–]Myrpl 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Does that mean that cold approaching women in bars or even day game is "doing it wrong"?

[–]2 Endorsed ContributorCisWhiteMaelstrom 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not a bad thing to do but I see it as more of a side.

[–]RICCIedm 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I cold approach(during day) all the time. Direct never works unless you are like 3 points higher than her. But I still directly approach hot chicks cause it's fun. Since I've been doing that, I got tons of side pussy. Maybe they can smell that I don't give a shit anymore, since they are just one more in the 3 billion pool.

[–]TheThingsIThink 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you can do it with outcome independence. But if your game is oneitis one girl at a time, every approach your doing it wrong

[–]LuvBeer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is it working for you? The best day game outcomes I've had was when it was spontaneous, ie I was doing something else and saw a girl I couldn't not approach. The times I go out for the express purpose of picking up, it's good practice, but I rarely get good outcomes.

[–]1All_fixed_again 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

A relevant Red Pill truth from the cult classic Scarface, specifically at 2:31

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ORQJtxicrA

[–]thebigpink 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

63 is my favorite as well. Going through this now, after many years of not letting any woman get too close and spinning, finally find a LTR that was worthy of it and takes me a solid 7 or so months to start to really care for her. Tell her I love her back after she has been saying it for awhile. 2 months later we are broken up and now I remember why you never let anyone get too close. Never again.

Loving your stuff by the way

[–]DominantReality 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did you start to open up more to her after you said that? Or was it only the fact that you said it, or continued to say it? And what's your usual response to sidestep an "I love you"?

[–]Ibex3D 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Go Han Solo and say "I know"

[–]RealRational 12ポイント13ポイント  (17子コメント)

“Superficial vulnerability from a position of power is attractive to women, this is what it means to “open up.” Substantive vulnerability, eg: being insecure, is not.

Could someone give an example of "superficial vulnerability", possibly a few. Contrasted with the "insecure" version would be good.

Personally I just don't reveal anything non-complimentary. But if there's a way to reveal a weakness and have it be a turn on I wanna add that to my toolbelt.

[–]Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin 32ポイント33ポイント  (8子コメント)

The way I see superficial vulnerability is a strong attractive guy revealing soft spots about himself that are not necessarily weaknesses, for example: he loves his puppy, he helps out out old people cross the road, he is secretly a huge fan of a certain band, he has an almost child like obsession with a certain hobby.

Substantial vulnerability is a guy revealing soft spots that are actually weaknesses: he has self esteem issues, he has bouts of depression, he misses her when she doesn't call back.

Edit: substantive not substantial

[–]Di-onysos 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

"He loves his puppy"

Great example. I has to be something that is completely harmless if revealed to everyone. Things like "I feel really down whenever I see a hungry beggar". Not things like "I have massive PTSD from some extremely traumatic shit I've experienced".

[–]Brian_Official 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah it's a healthy emotional openness, as opposed to dumping/projecting all your certifiable issues on the nearest thing with ears.

[–]cogsbrah 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Fuck guys. I just did this with my ex. We just got back together but I revealed some shit and told her how much I missed her. I fucked up.

[–]Brian_Official 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well keep an eye open for extra shit tests and play a Lil dread game of need be

[–]pheluhnee -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

yes you did. well done on recognizing it

[–]YakYai -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

She still with you?

If so, then you probably did ok.

[–]B_Campbell 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's like the classic interview question, What are some of your weaknesses?"

Response should be something like, "I work too hard." Or "I'm too obsessed about making things perfect."

[–]magus678 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see women's appreciation of vulnerability and humor to be similar; low level.

Most girls still love candy and fart jokes. They never grow past it. Similarly, they never grew to understand their own deeper emotions enough to truly appreciate someone else's; so superficial things they could have understood at 14 is about as deep as they wanna go.

[–]RedHeimdall 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Another way to look at it is: the amount of beta you can show depends upon how much alpha you have to balance it out. The more alpha you are, the more beta aspects you can safely show -- but to account for uncertainty and play things on the safe side, the general rule of thumb is to minimize the beta displays.

If a given chick sees you as a total alpha badass who she's lucky to be with, then if she sees you cry at the end of "Rudy," it's all good. On the other hand if she's on the fence about whether you're really man enough for her, and she sees you cry at "Rudy," you're gonna have a bad time.

[–]Temuzjin 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Another way to look at it is: the amount of beta you can show depends upon how much alpha you have to balance it out.

Ah, the "rappers are allowed to be vulnerable on one song per album" rule.

[–]LuvBeer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

word. The more confident and aggressive I feel, the more flamboyant, loud shit I'll wear going out.

[–]coffee_and_lumber 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

the general rule of thumb is to minimize the beta displays.

Best way to do this is to minimize the beta thinking in the first place, and you won't have to worry about how you're coming off to her.

Often easier said than done, like many of the ideas we talk about here.

[–]CryptoManbeard 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Think of it like a job interview where they ask what your biggest weakness is. Your answer to that would be like a superficial vulnerability. ie it would be something that is a non-issue, or a strength made to look like a weakness. "I love my job a little too much." It makes you sound vulnerable but what you are saying is that you drive towards success.

A substantive vulnerability would be like the real truth, but never something you would admit to in an interview. "I'm afraid of success." Makes you sound like a coward, it shows true vulnerability. Women don't want to hear that shit (neither does your prospective employer).

[–]let_terror_reign 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Example, army veteran mentioning that he's seen some gruesome shit in his life. His eyes drop, he visibly tensed, but sighs and walks off. He's vulnerable from a positive of strength, not weakness.

[–]colombianguy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Could someone give an example of "superficial vulnerability", possibly a few. Contrasted with the "insecure" version would be good.

Fear of needles/clowns/etc. vs. fear of abandonment, of any risks, of not being regarded as #1, etc

[–]heeeeeeeeheeeeeeeeee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Couched between alpha or neutral behavior, the solitary text: "thinkin about you"

Edit: This kind of behavior is only appropriate after you have had sex with her many times.

[–]rporion 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

My version of 55 is:

Arrogance is for a man what a miniskirt is for a woman.

It can work wonders, but you have to be able to wear it.

[–]CryptoManbeard 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

And women are going to dish out shit for both. "Look at that tramp!" "OMG I hate cocky guys! <starts squirting>"

[–]epixs 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

When's your book coming out man, I'm ready to buy it . Your content is always top tier!

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm making an announcement in the next few days. More will be revealed then.

[–]Red_Pill_Raskol 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do not be vulnerable to your woman. I expressed to my ex girlfriend that I was nervous about getting back into the job market in the US after living and working as an entrepreneur in Greece for 6 years. She used that against me as ammunition later during the breakup.

[–]LuvBeer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I told one that I was nervous about riding a dangerous stretch of highway on my motorbike and she later said a former badboy fuck of hers never expressed fear about anything. Lesson learned.

[–]Source1311 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

OFF TOPIC Do you draw the images?

[–]LuvBeer 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maxim 63: "Always protect the core of your essence, should you choose to let her in, never let her in completely...."

"A pimp has to know all his whores, but cannot let them know him...Even if you got 20 whores, your thoughts must be secret. Never get too friendly with a whore. That’s how you keep a whore, how you keep yourself a mystery." -Pimp, Iceberg Slim.

This book is an easy, entertaining read and has important takeaways that will keep you thinking for a long time after reading.

[–]colombianguy 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fantastic work as usual, IllimitableMan.

MAXIM #73 – “Rarely are women an asset, they are a responsibility and thus a liability. Women are a black hole for money, time and all other valuable resources you possess. This is why your time/commitment has value. Do not squander it, do not let it be appropriated. Be fussy in your associations.”

To nit-pick, the word fussy does not work here. It implies nervousness and anxiousness, a childish or feminine disposition. In my opinion, a better word is selective, which implies decisive action and is therefore more appropriate of a man in this context.

[–]ScottRikkard 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why you have to be so fussy about it?

jk good point.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I concur with your recommendation (I think selective sounds better) - edited in!

[–]CryptoManbeard 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for putting this together. I like how this kind of succinctly points out all the "rings of truth" that make sense in our observations. It is very convenient to have them all in one bulleted list. If I was telling someone about the reality of women and they were interested, I could just say, "Here, read these."

This was my favorite:

"A woman starved of emotion will become desperate to sustain her psychological onslaught. As such, she will attempt to pry it from the dead, exaggerating observations and manufacturing issues in order to sustain the indignance necessary to maintain her psychological assault."

Have seen that in my personal life way too many times. "You're literally just making shit up." The hardest part for me in my growth has been going from being able to tell what they are doing, to implementing the most effective strategy in real time. Mostly, this involves being silent.

[–]Rivereyes 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

What a brilliant post. Every word is pure Truth. Praise Be To Brother Illimitable!

[–]Source1311 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

IM MAXIM #63 – “"Always protect the core of your essence, should you choose to let her in, never let her in completely. See yourself as a castle, let her into the castle, but do not give her the key to the heaviest door. She will notice the door is closed. She will ask you what's behind the door and if "you can let her in?" Ignore her protests and manipulations. Never open that door. Not a woman alive other than perhaps your mother is worth opening this door for. If you believe love entails "sharing everything," you don't understand love."

"It is very unlucky to have a woman come into a blacksmith's forge" - Encyclopedia of Superstitions, Folklore, and the Occult Sciences of the World

[–]pheluhnee 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Another top notch post. Maxim 67 is so true, and so telling

Well written

[–]RedSugarPill 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Typo in IM Maxim #96

He will be used[m?] but by nature of his availability

Awesome work as always.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Got it, thanks. Was meant to be a comma, but seems like M is next to the comma on my keyboard.

[–]TwixSnickers 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Could I get an example of # 53 ? I feel like I'm missing something significant here.

[–]RedHeimdall 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's just minor vs. major weaknesses (or vulnerabilities). And also the context in which you place them -- i.e. are you still hampered by them or have you conquered them? If current, are you at a loss as to how to proceed, or are you confidently taking steps to move forward?

Minor: "Believe it or not, I used to be kinda chubby back in the day. I wasn't always the greek god you see now before you."

Major: "I used to be morbidly obese. I could barely walk up a flight of stairs without taking a break half way. Thank god for that gastric bypass surgery I had and the subsequent lifelong mostly liquid diet I'm on."

Past: "I used to be kinda shy, before I came out of my shell."

Present: "I've always been kinda shy... I still struggle with it."

At a loss: "My company restructured and lately my job is a lot less interesting than it used to be... it kinda sucks. But I don't know if I could find anything else, I think I may be stuck there for the foreseeable future."

Has a plan: "My company restructured and lately my job is a lot less interesting than it used to be... it kinda sucks. So, I'm looking to make a change. Got some feelers out now and I'll probably be jumping ship for something better before long."

[–]bowie747 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't understand the difference between Superficial Vulnerability and Substantive Vulnerability...

[–]let_terror_reign 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Difference is whether the weakness is shown from a position of strength or weakness .
If you're an alpha guy like a marine and you talk about ptsd in minimal detail,that's superficial because you don't go into the specifics of how it bothered you, etc. If you're an engineer with an inferiority complex, that's the remedy for a wet pussy

[–]motivatedcat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe he is referring to byronic flaws when he talks about superficial vulnerabilities; like arrogance, rebellious, mysterious, cynical, self-destructive even.

Substantive vulnerabilities are weakness, neediness, insecurity, over-emotional, etc.

[–]santander26 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hate this post. Because every maxim is 100% true.

[–]rippedsteel 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great read. You are wise! #55 hits hard haha.

[–]LukeMooney 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is the best piece I've read in months. Too many bits to quote. Will definitely re-read at some point. Really enjoyed. Thank you

[–]rippedsteel 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think I had an epiphany. It isn't about race. White vs black, asian vs asian. Or country. Russia vs whomever. Germany. Or Brother vs. brother. It's man vs. women. haha. Who knows. I just everyone to get the fuck along.

[–]JoRocKStaR 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't agree with 52.....

Vulnerability is good if you're emotionally stable...

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

IM MAXIM #60 – “Women are psychologically violent.”

Hardly does the maxim justice. They're psychologically violent, but see no issues with it. An alcoholic rarely sees alcohol as a problem. Women see psychological violence as perfectly normal behaviour, when permeating from a woman, even women they do not know.

This is of course perpetuated in modern society where woman can do no wrong. When you live in a lawless society you need to do everything you can to protect yourself. No one cares about psychological violence against men. It's on you to take care of you, meaning that you stamp out any attempts from her to mentally bulldoze you.

[–]bluedrygrass 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

" Not a woman alive other than perhaps your mother is worth opening this door for."

Let the hastering continue.

Didn't you know already? AWALT. Your mother is an unreliable machiavellian bitch, too.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a reason the word "perhaps" is in there. It was a semantic factoring in people such as yourself, who assumedly had narcissistic mothers who never gave a shit about them. Refer to Maxim #20.

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    [–]100_percent_trigger 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Maxims and aphorisms are meant to be a little contrived for the same reason poetry/prose is.

    It's an art form. It's supposed to convey information in a way that's pleasant to read.

    [–]cazzah123 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is the guy that reads Shakespeare and says "why didnt he just say they loved eachother and then died lol?"