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Anyone practice extreme/hardcore parenting? (self.RedPillParenting)

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Probably not the best description, but I'm interested in parents who enforce "extreme" and "unreasonable" rules on their children.

Rules which go against what is "normal" for other families.

I don't have children, but I follow some personal rules very strictly, and wonder how I would handle it with children. Keeping myself in line can be difficult in todays world, but children are even more impressionable, and will be surrounded by kids who do the things you have banned, and believe they are "normal" and "good" things.

Some of my personal rules are:

  • Only whole foods in the house.
  • No soft drinks/mcdonalds/ice creams ever. They are not treats.
  • No regular television. When I do use my tv, it's to watch a movie or show I've chosen.
  • No mindless consumption of latest/prettiest things.

Has anyone enforced these things, or similar rules in the way that they go against the "norm"?

How do you handle other parents who believe they are caring and "treating" your kid by putting them in front of the tv with a big bowl of brightly coloured sugary sweets (or similar)?

What happens when your children are outside your control, such as a friends house, or daycare, or a school trip?

And lastly, how did things turn out when your kids reached an age where they could argue well and make their own decisions?

Just curious about it -- it's my biggest fear about having children, and I haven't seen people do this in real life who I could model.

It can be difficult enough keeping an amused, calm and understanding frame when throwing away junk that my girlfriend smuggled into the house :)

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[–]Germanic_Confederate 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

My daughter eats fruits (and oddly some choice veggies) for treats. If she's been really good I'll give 'em a light sugar coating. I do occasionally split a soda with her once every 3-4 months (sprite or ginger ale). I did let her choose between regular and chocolate milk and she goes for the regular kind - every time. She drinks water which (surprising as it may be to LordDumbass) is an important catalyst for many bodily functions - including brain functions. I also grow my own food which has numerous benefits. It's pesticide/hormone free. It allows me to cut my food bills down to just bread, milk, and meat (from the meat market which is local raised cattle, pigs, and wild caught game). It gives me ample time to think about things and process the various topics that I study. And it allows me to teach my daughter meaningful labor. Last - it gives me a sentimental buzz watching my daughter enjoy food that I literally made from seedling to a finished meal. Fuck yeah, dad win.

I do not buy her things just because she wants them - daddy doesn't need to buy her love. She knows that he loves her because he actively plays with her. A trick that I do to encourage myself to play, especially after a long day of work when I'm already tired, is to treat play time as work-out time too. It helps me stay in shape and lets us have fun at the same time. This is important for bonding, learning, and to help us both stay active (and not slovenly like SlumCaptain over here). To get back to buying "pretty"/trendy things: she doesn't argue or complain - it is what it is to her. She sees that I don't buy myself stuff every time we're out; the same applies to her. Do as I do; not just because "I say so".

TV - this is a big one that some numbskulls don't get. There is no need to be plugged into the idiot box. I don't really watch movies or television. I did used to watch a lot of Family Guy and South Park growing up (I'm 24) but as I grew up and matured I realized how pedantic it is. It means nothing, it teaches nothing of value (not since most of real education shows started going off air - there might be some left over but not as many. I wouldn't know - I'm not missing all of that wasted time). I read/study, work on the gardens, practice shooting, spend time with my family, and work on various projects and all of that helps me understand the world around me - instead of staring at a screen for 3-5 hours in my underwear. I explore my thoughts and contemplate morality, politics, society, spirituality and etc too. By being productive in such ways my daughter conducts herself accordingly. In the process she learns so much more than anyone does from binge-watching cartoon network. She's well on her way to being an intelligent, mature, and resourceful woman.

[–]homeliss[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

A trick that I do to encourage myself to play, especially after a long day of work when I'm already tired, is to treat play time as work-out time too

Yes, I like that. Real, physical play with another person probably does even more good than we know. Playing, emotional bonding, physical contact, and the feel-good hormones from the exercise all coursing through you at the same time!

Thanks for sharing, I really appreciate it, and it's cool to see other young men with similar thoughts (I'm 26).

[–]Germanic_Confederate 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah it keeps us both pretty healthy. Between the physical activity and the healthy diet I am pretty healthy. I get sick for a couple days every few years.

I'm much happier than when I was just watching television and playing video games. I still play video games on occasion but not unless I've finished everything that I need to get done and she's fast asleep.

[–]Germanic_Confederate 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh I would like to add that there is little that you can do when your child is in the care of others. What you can do is carefully vet who they are around. Any parent does, or should, do this. If someone cannot respect my personal parental guides then they aren't helping raise a healthy and educated child. It's pretty apparent when a kid has been watching profane television for example. Bad eating habits are hard to avoid - but I remedy this by making care-packages of balanced meals if needed. If you do all of the prep-work ahead of time it's as simple as taking it out of the fridge and serving or heating and serving. Many people are healthy eaters anyways and those ones you don't really have to worry about on that account. As far as trendy stuff - there will be kids who are incredibly self-absorbed and spoiled. They are going to insist that their brand is cool. That's just consumerism though. If you instill a healthy respect of priorities it won't be a problem and if your child, as a working teen, wants to buy whatever they want - we'll that's OK too. If raised right they'll likely make informed decisions or they'll quickly learn the price of over-priced, over-hyped jeans.

[–]homeliss[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks. That's the sort of idea I've gotten so far, that raising kids well gives them a much stronger "foundation" when they inevitably do get exposed and experiment with new ideas/ways of living.

I really like the idea of "tribes" and small communities that have been popping up a few times on TRP recently. If you find other parents with similar views, and support each other like a tribe then it'll be much easier and fulfilling for everyone.

Many people are healthy eaters anyways

I was kind of counting on this, that other parents would feel inspired by what you're doing with your kid, and want to be part of it. It's always easier when you have someone else to model, improve with or just plain compete against at being a better parent :)

Bad eating habits are hard to avoid - but I remedy this by making care-packages of balanced meals if needed. If you do all of the prep-work ahead of time it's as simple as taking it out of the fridge and serving or heating and serving.

Nice! Preparation can be key to so many things!

[–]Germanic_Confederate 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes that would work really well and make it much easier to have like-minded support.

I try to be a good role model for my friends who are thinking of having children. My daughter is getting to the age to where it's apparent that she's well behaved. She is a bit of a live wire but she does listen well - unlike so many kids these day

[–]LordCaptain -3ポイント-2ポイント  (9子コメント)

Well aren't you just completely fucking insane. I hope you lose custody soon as to not do too much damage to your children.

[–]homeliss[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thats me, an absolute monster... wanting to raise healthy, successful children, in control of their lives, who don't blindly follow the herd over the cliff :D

[–]LordCaptain 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Except you want to enfore "extreme, and unreasonable" rules. You said yourself. Teaching your children to do what their told even if it makes no sense. You want them to follow blindly over the cliff? That's the way to do it. You want healthy kids? Don't take such an extremist view on fucking icecream. Allowing no imdulgence leads to rebellious large consumption or replacement as they get older and not being able to satisfy cravings at a young age can lead to dependance issues at an older age (alcohol, smoking, drugs, fatty food, etc). No tv? If you think tv is nothing but a brain drain you watch the wrong telivision. Wqtch Stephen Fry, or Niel Degrasse Tyson, or any intellectuals shows. Expand access to information if you want intelligent children and don't limit it. Last but not least you are for some ungodly reason a redpill subscriber. The entire philosophy of redpill is poison to children and the unhealthy relationships they produce will fuck children up as they develop and will not be able to function in a proper relationship. You're not a monster for wantinf to raise healthy succesful children. You're a monster because the ideology you will try to use to raise them will destroy their lives.

[–]homeliss[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry for setting you off with my use of the word "extreme", I actually mentioned that it might not be the best word choice in my very first sentence... and I can see that it has blinded you completely to what I was actually asking after you read it :)

Allowing no imdulgence leads to rebellious large consumption or replacement as they get older and not being able to satisfy cravings at a young age can lead to dependance issues at an older age (alcohol, smoking, drugs, fatty food, etc)

I think some of my words set you off, which is why you haven't understood anything I wrote, but that's actually the very discussion I was trying to have. I'm interested in balancing a healthy lifestyle, while in an unhealthy world, and still raising happy, socially aware and normal children.

I'm not an extremist, I'm actually looking to raise pretty normal children. I am interested in others who have done so in a "different" way, because I believe that the "normal" way is becoming more and more destructive to even adults in our society, let alone children.

That's only seen as "extreme" by people who prefer not to think about what they're doing, and who "deserve" indulgences as part of their life, without effort. lol I'm not threatening your ice cream -- I just think that there are more fulfilling indulgences in life.

Think back to when you were a child... Do you remember the taste of a scoop of ice cream, or do you remember the experience of sharing it with friends and family? I'd bet it was the second one. You could have that same experience without the ice cream, and it would be just as fulfilling, and just as strong a memory. (btw my best childhood memories were spent playing outside, where we forgot about food for HOURS until we were starving)

No tv? If you think tv is nothing but a brain drain you watch the wrong telivision. Wqtch Stephen Fry, or Niel Degrasse Tyson, or any intellectuals shows. Expand access to information if you want intelligent children and don't limit it.

I agree completely. In fact, I am ALL FOR consuming information. Did you notice how I mentioned I choose what I consume? I consume a lot of that.

I am however against "mindless consumption", which is sadly what happens when lazy parents sit their children down on the couch without any care or guidance.

Last but not least you are for some ungodly reason a redpill subscriber.

Sure I'm into redpill, but don't you agree that what I'm talking about here is more of a "hippie" view on parenting, than anything else? In fact, I don't see anything "redpill" in my post besides wanting a redpill perspective on it.

This is redpillparenting after all.

[–]Germanic_Confederate 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You monster! Not wanting to raise mindless followers who care only for the latest trends and vulgar shows. Terrible!

[–]Germanic_Confederate 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

What the fuck is wrong with you?

He's insane for wanting: a healthy diet, and prohibits brain-drain television like MTV as well as superficial items?

His ideal doesn't fit yours because you'd give your children McDonald's, have them watching violence and/or wanton behavior, and will spend money on stupid name-brand clothing?

Hey OP fuck this dude - he's the damned nutter.

Blindly ambling about this thing called life - not seeking to improve himself or the world; just seeks amusement and instant gratification. One day, if you're lucky, "LordCaptain"; you'll wake up to the empty life that you've been living and realize that you've learned nothing practical in your life. You have wasted your life. However, judging by your brash behavior, I'm going to bet you'll be in your forties; maybe fifties - past the "party years" (aka the learning years) and you will begin your midlife crisis - not feeling worthless but, essentially, being worthless. What good will an overweight, getting up their in years, know-nothing be? Nothing but a mindless litany of "hey kids did I tell you about that time that I did this funny thing". Your kids, if they are kind and thoughtful, will pretend surprised and entertained. But it's the same. Damn. Story. Over. And. Over.

Peace shithead

[–]LordCaptain 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Lol. I'll quote you what I posted him after I respond to you're other ramblings. If you honestly can't see that this type of parenting is toxic I won't be able to help though. You insult me without knowing anything about me which is laughable, Heres some backstory. 21 and security guard at the hospital here while in university. Moving up to shift lead in the next couple months. Within a year-year and a half I would be a peace officer or zone supervisor except that I'm moving careers. After two years in university (originally a major in biochemistry and a minor in philosophy then just majoring in philosophy (the second highest scoring major for the lsat)) I've decided being a lawyer seems like a terrible job and the money wasn't actually worth it. After much insightful exploration I have decided on a course in the royal canadian navy. I will be enrolling in the royal canadian military college once I have put some more momey behind me as a marine and submarine officer (main command roles of the ship). By the time you say I will be a worthless, over-weight, know-nothing. I will likely have command of a ship and a crew of over 200 if not moved on from that point. If you think military to be worthless that is your own opinion. You redpillars are all about manliness and being alpha. I would be willing to bet that my career as security and then and officer in the military is more alpha than your life and your plans. In any case. You keep up the good work of being a sexist asshole on the internet.

"Except you want to enfore "extreme, and unreasonable" rules. You said yourself. Teaching your children to do what their told even if it makes no sense. You want them to follow blindly over the cliff? That's the way to do it. You want healthy kids? Don't take such an extremist view on fucking icecream. Allowing no imdulgence leads to rebellious large consumption or replacement as they get older and not being able to satisfy cravings at a young age can lead to dependance issues at an older age (alcohol, smoking, drugs, fatty food, etc). No tv? If you think tv is nothing but a brain drain you watch the wrong telivision. Wqtch Stephen Fry, or Niel Degrasse Tyson, or any intellectuals shows. Expand access to information if you want intelligent children and don't limit it. Last but not least you are for some ungodly reason a redpill subscriber. The entire philosophy of redpill is poison to children and the unhealthy relationships they produce will fuck children up as they develop and will not be able to function in a proper relationship. You're not a monster for wantinf to raise healthy succesful children. You're a monster because the ideology you will try to use to raise them will destroy their lives"

[–]Germanic_Confederate -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

I didn't even read that first paragraph - no one asked what you do for a living. I'm not interested in internet pissing contests - especially when it's likely falsified information.

Well, genius, that wouldn't occur if you had not have gone full shitlord on OP because he asked some simple questions. If you'd have said something to the effect of: "hey - I think that's overboard and I wouldn't recommend it" - well I would've just upvoted and moved on. Don't get butt-hurt just because you're treated the same way that you treat other. Don't like people making assumptions about you? Don't do it to OP.

And way to take that out of context; willfully or not. I was clearly referring to teaching her how to survive on her own. Make the cliché 'cliff analogy' on someone who sequesters their children perpetually, dope. She reads, visits friends and has opportunity to indulge plenty - just not on overly greasy and fatty foods. Did I say no icecream? She can actually make it for herself. And yes, she has to help do chores like gardening. And no she doesn't watch t.v. - like my grandparents she knows that they exist but doesn't have one. Don't worry - I enjoy science and history of all varieties and I have upward of three hundred books that I read to her from.

Now, troll, why don't you go run along and figure out how to use grammar you pseudointellectual? Have a great night!

[–]LordCaptain 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lol. You're hilarious. "I didn't even read your first paragraph" =equals I read it am can't properly respond. Pretend I'm making it up if it makes you feel better about yourself though. As to your second paragraph. Saying it's a little overboard is not true. It's crazy parenting ideas. He needs to reevaluate entirely. He will fuck his kids up with unreasonable idiotic parenting and redpillparenting can only make it worse. Your third paragraph is totally irrelevant. You seem to not be smart enough to realize that, as I said, it's the quote talking about ops kids. Why you start talking about your children I don't know. Finally your fourth paragraph. The good old reddit "if you can't beat him attack his grammar". Called me a psuedointellectual too. You must have learned everything you know about arguing from reddit. You're an idiot. As a redditor would you like to falsley say that's an ad hominem attack?

[–]Germanic_Confederate 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well you're a cocky son of a bitch. Think about it logically - had I read your first paragraph I would've known you were talking about OP. Instead, since you were talking to me, I naturally assumed you were talking about me. Point remains though - you ought to know that if you're an ass (and you were in your first comment) then you will be treated accordingly.

Seriously nothing he said means he's 'extreme'. You jumped the gun and made some pretty rash statements of OP's character. So don't complain when someone returns the favor